Edward, in regard to your mention of outwith: My retired minister friend used to tell me that I invented the word feisty! Well, yes, if there’s something I deem nonsensical or ‘whatever,’ the ‘whatever’ being a paper I wrote for an English class at the local university wherein I used the word ‘outwith.’ The resultant low grade (because of the use of this one word!) could have deprived me of pursuing a master’s degree (which I didn’t anyway!). Off to ‘educate’ the instructor rather forcefully that ‘outwith’ was a perfectly legitimate word used in the legal profession in Scotland, with its roots going back to the 13th century. (Per Google) Scottish poems 1375-1560 And syne with ane blyith cheir buskit that bald; Out of Paris proudly he preikit full prest, Intill his harnes all haill his hechtis for to hald. He umbekest the countrie outwith the toun, Na saw na thing on steir, Nouther fer . I pointed out the contemporary and acceptable usage in literary and legal forms as in “He has lived outwith Scotland for many years.” Also, I explained to her that I had worked in a solicitor’s office (Glasgow) wherein (is that considered obsolete now?) outwith was used in a particular legal context. I finally convinced her that outwith was not a dialect word, and my grade was much improved. ...and yes, this particular word could have reference to genealogy if, for example, the legal settlement of property or chattels is concerned. Maisie From: edward paxton Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 4:22 AM To: nautakat ; mailto:lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: Maisie Egger Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Scottish Word for Today 12.3.2015: Expressions I've spent most of my working career in London and the SE, but spent my first 24 years in Glasgow. Most noticeable expressions that I had to change to be understood were: coup = in English a tip outwith = in English outside Regards Edward On 4 December 2015 at 21:55, nautakat via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Maisie, I remember my dad saying 'amn't'. Our family is from south of Dumfries - most latterly of Kirkbean - not too far from Newton Steward, Jose. How many of you still use the word 'latterly'? Dad also said things like 'We're went'n' - we're going. Anyone know this word? I love your 'Scottish Word for Today' posts, Maisie. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Saturday, 5 December 2015 6:24 AM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Fw: Scottish Word for Today 12.3.2015: Expressions Jose, your comment on using 'I amn't' brought back memories of when I took a class in English something or other at university. The instructor was a gentleman from the Middle East. I think I took the pins out from under him when I noted that 'I amn't' was a very common contraction in Scotland for 'I am not'. I supposed he figured he knew all that there was to know in contractions of the English language. Being a somewhat insulated Glaswegian, I thought 'I amn't' was particular to the No Mean City. We were definitely 'bilingual' in the use of the English language, such as "Gie's a dod o' paper!" Even within the context of Glesga patter, a dod of paper was not quite correct as dod more or less meant a lump of something; a sheet of paper could not be a dod...but we all knew what we meant, even the 'office types!' All in the nuance, I suppose. Apropos little: I once saw a movie where the spy had English down pat, but what tipped off his adversaries was how he used his knife and fork! Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jose Jones Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 6:52 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scottish Word for Today 12.3.2015: Expressions Thank you for yet another gem, Maisie. I have long lived south of the border, and although I too come from newton Stewart, I’m not really aware of the word reversal thing. However, when we abbreviated "I am not” we would say “I amn’t” instead of the English “I’m not”. I still say this and it’s probably the main part of my speech that betrays my origins. Jose > On 2 Dec 2015, at 22:10, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Scottish Word for Today > December 3, 2015 > > > Expressions: > > A friend who hails from Newton Stewart, Wigtownshire, sometimes > changes the word order around in a sentence, as an example: “Weeks > they have been there.” > > Some areas in this part of Southwest Scotland were once (Irish) > Gaelic speaking. As there was a lot of traffic between Ireland and > Scotland, one wonders if the English speech pattern was influenced by > Scottish Gaelic, Erse, or if this is just regional. (Take note, > Glaswegians, Erse is herein used with a capital E, and is not in > reference to one’s bahoochey!) > > In Glasgow, word order was also changed around as in “What like is it?” > Again, as Glasgow, during and after the Irish famine in the mid-1800s, > was inundated with thousands of Irish ‘refugees,’ bringing their own > manner of speech and Erse, it is a question of who influenced whom in > sentence structure with words sometimes used backside foremost. > Personally, I was somewhat taken aback when I came to this side of the > world and was questioned/corrected as to why I would ask, “What like > is it?” instead of “What’s it like?” > > Another difference in word order is the expression “Ye’re a lang time > deid. ” which would be more likely expressed elsewhere as “You‘re dead > a long time.” in Standard English. It’s not quite the same as the > Scottish version which is a caution to get on with whatever you are > doing now for there’s no time left. > > Note: More on rammy from Lanark lister cmchouston: tramash > (stramash) and stooshie. > > Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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