I think we knew the answer beforehand didn't we Anne Name: Peter Smith Age: 82 Estimated birth year: abt 1769 Relationship: Head Spouse's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Mich Mass, Aberdeen Parish Number: 632 Civil parish: Carnwath County: Lanarkshire Address: Camend Occupation: Joiner ED: 2 Page: 8 Household schedule number: 28 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_151 Household Members: Name Age Peter Smith 82 Margaret Smith 55 Source Citation: Parish: Carnwath; ED: 2; Page: 9; Line: 8; Roll 734; Year: 1851. Name: Margt Brown Age: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1802 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Whitburn, Linlithgow Parish Number: 632 Civil parish: Carnwath Town: Carnwath County: Lanarkshire Address: U P Chapel Essa Michell Church Occupation: Drepmaker ED: 1 Page: 41 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 173 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1851_151 Household Members: Name Age James Brown 55 Margt Brown 49 Margt Brown 23 Jane Brown 13 Margt T Hunter 2 Catherine Brown 8 Source Citation: Parish: Carnwath; ED: 1; Page: 13; Line: 41; Roll 924; Year: 1851. Rosemary the transcription on Ancestry whilst being very useful is heavily flawed with errors so it is essential that you view the original page which you can do via scotlandspeople, armed with the transcript its not to expensive at 1.20gbp per page You may be able to discern the correct birthplace from the page image Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> On the 1851 census Peter SMITH of Carnwath is recorded as born >> c1775 at >> "Mich Mass, Aberdeen". >> >> On the 1851 census, Marion BROWN was living with 2 of her sons >> at "U P >> Chapel Essa Michell Church", Carnwath. (I suppose that UP was >> United >> Presbyterian?) >> >> Does anyone have any idea where these places were? > > Are these your readings of the original census images or are > they from a transcription? > > Anne

> I think we knew the answer beforehand didn't we Anne We suspected correctly, but we didn't actually know for certain. Anne

Whoops, I am sorry, I didn't even realise that Scotlands People had the census images, & I'd quite forgotten about FreeCen. :-[ Thanks to Charles & FreeCen I've now found more family members. Thanks to Charles also for deciphering Midmar, Aberdeen. There were 457 people whose address in 1851 (on Ancestry) is given as 'U P Chapel Essa Michell Church", Carnwath so I doubt that it can be a transcription error & as some of them were gentry, employers or Independent, it can't have been a Workhouse. I'll try Scotlands People. I'm grateful for all your responses. Rosemary in Western Australia Nivard Ovington wrote: > I think we knew the answer beforehand didn't we Anne > >

The answer is ... in Carnwath ! The 'breakaway' from the Parish (established) Church of Scotland ... The 'dissenting' Church (they objected to the Patronage Act which gave landowners the right to choose the Minister). Families whose traditions were typically with the earlier Covenanters became United Presbyterian, both here and abroad ... The Church is still there, of course - ironically now the actual Parish Church (of Scotland - post 1927). GGR

Ah, Thankyou George, I hoped that a local would know the answer. :-) G Russell wrote: > The answer is ... in Carnwath ! > > The 'breakaway' from the Parish (established) Church of Scotland ... The > 'dissenting' Church (they objected to the Patronage Act which gave > landowners the right to choose the Minister). Families whose traditions > were typically with the earlier Covenanters became United Presbyterian, > both here and abroad ... > > The Church is still there, of course - ironically now the actual Parish > Church (of Scotland - post 1927). > > GGR >

> There were 457 people whose address in 1851 (on Ancestry) is > given as 'U > P Chapel Essa Michell Church", Carnwath so I doubt that it can > be a > transcription error & as some of them were gentry, employers > or > Independent, it can't have been a Workhouse. I'll try > Scotlands People. I suspect that the address thus transcribed is a single household, that the remaining ones are listed without an address at all, and that the transcriber (or the software) has assumed that the address applies to all the ones following it in in the enumeration district. The original image may shed some light on this, or it may not. Anne