"Speak properly" Nivard? Is that a deliberate lighting of the blue touch-paper? I've been very happy in recent years to hear 'regional' accents on the BBC - the programme announcers, local news journalists and so forth - so if the BBC is anything to go by, as it always was (we used to talk of BBC English), then regional accents ARE speaking properly these days :) Celia Renshaw Chesterfield, Derbyshire On 14 January 2016 at 09:18, Nivard Ovington via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Maisie > > When I read articles like this I do wonder if the people making them up > actually set foot outside of their ivory towers, be they in Glasgow Uni > or London > > The regional accents are alive and well as far as I can can tell > > Whereas in London its just a mixture of languages often foreign ones > mixed with English > > Some people have always changed the way they speak "to get on", its just > a fact of life, no matter what some may say > > You are clearly more likely to get on in most jobs if you speak properly > > Perhaps this is a slow news period and they are needing to fill column? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 14/01/2016 00:44, Maisie Egger via wrote: >> Researchers say that the Glaswegian sound has stayed the same, >> >> The Jan/Feb 2016 issue of The Highlander magazine is a bit more >> informative than this Google link, though the research is by the same >> person: >> >> http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/619869/Future-Scottish-accents-sounding-good >> >> The Highlander magazine heading: “Scottish Accents Endure While >> England’s Disappear” is maybe a bit of a glittering generality as >> English friends and relatives seem to have the same speech pattern as >> they started out with. >> >> To me, the Glasgow ‘wye o’ speakin’ is ‘murder polis’ and has indeed >> not changed a bit! Noted before, since coming to North American, I >> have had to train myself to soften the Glasgow way of speaking as no >> one could understand me, yet I did not consider myself rough spoken. >> Being an office worker one had to smooth the edges off a bit when >> answering the phone. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Celia Light blue touch paper? Not at all, at least it wasn't my intention in any way, I mean speak properly in the accepted and general usage sense Meaning speak clearly with little or no accent so the majority of people can understand what that person is saying wherever that person is watching or listening from Apart from the left wing BBC and regional accents, in business if you were trying to get on and spoke with say a thick (meaning strong) Geordie accent you are *less* likely to get on than someone of similar ability who spoke without an accent (there will always be exceptions to the rule of course but in the main) Its just plain common sense I do not include myself in the "speaking proper" bracket as I have a Leicestershire accent, *I* don't think I do :-) but others certainly do I have no problem with speaking to others day to day in whatever accent or dialect they may have but for some things plain understandable speech is preferred, at least by me anyway I don't particularly mind regional accents for reading the news in the region they are from etc but prefer plain clear speech and I do wish they would put newsreaders back behind a desk, I hate them wandering all over the studio, they always look uncomfortable reporting whilst standing there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/01/2016 09:28, Celia Renshaw via wrote: > "Speak properly" Nivard? Is that a deliberate lighting of the blue touch-paper? > > I've been very happy in recent years to hear 'regional' accents on the > BBC - the programme announcers, local news journalists and so forth - > so if the BBC is anything to go by, as it always was (we used to talk > of BBC English), then regional accents ARE speaking properly these > days :) > > Celia Renshaw > Chesterfield, Derbyshire --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Nivard, I think it's dialect rather than accent that usually causes understanding issues. Here in my adopted county I love it when people speak in one of the Derbyshire dialects but that wouldn't work for BBC announcers or any other nationwide public service. I agree we need clear understandable language for that, free of dialect that people outside a particular location won't understand, but regional accents with it are fine and dandy with me. My favourite is Geordie (eg. that nice chap on Countryfile) - and I remember seeing the results of a survey of call centre callers who voted for the accent they most liked to hear when they rang up - and it was Geordie. Whereas someone speaking Geordie dialect... different matter. Phrase-books and interpreters required. Judging by the fascinating info posted here about Glasgow dialect, same applies with that, even for me who had a Glasgow dad. But I feel sure the speakers of Geordie and Glaswegian do nevertheless think they're speaking "properly" :) I don't watch the news these days so have no worries about desk or no-desk - though I caught a few seconds of BBC news the other night, and chap was behind a desk, like in olden times. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield, Derbyshire On 14 January 2016 at 10:29, Nivard Ovington via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Celia > > Light blue touch paper? > > Not at all, at least it wasn't my intention in any way, I mean speak > properly in the accepted and general usage sense > > Meaning speak clearly with little or no accent so the majority of people > can understand what that person is saying wherever that person is > watching or listening from > > Apart from the left wing BBC and regional accents, in business if you > were trying to get on and spoke with say a thick (meaning strong) > Geordie accent you are *less* likely to get on than someone of similar > ability who spoke without an accent > (there will always be exceptions to the rule of course but in the main) > > Its just plain common sense > > I do not include myself in the "speaking proper" bracket as I have a > Leicestershire accent, *I* don't think I do :-) but others certainly do > > I have no problem with speaking to others day to day in whatever accent > or dialect they may have but for some things plain understandable speech > is preferred, at least by me anyway > > I don't particularly mind regional accents for reading the news in the > region they are from etc but prefer plain clear speech and I do wish > they would put newsreaders back behind a desk, I hate them wandering all > over the studio, they always look uncomfortable reporting whilst > standing there > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 14/01/2016 09:28, Celia Renshaw via wrote: >> "Speak properly" Nivard? Is that a deliberate lighting of the blue touch-paper? >> >> I've been very happy in recent years to hear 'regional' accents on the >> BBC - the programme announcers, local news journalists and so forth - >> so if the BBC is anything to go by, as it always was (we used to talk >> of BBC English), then regional accents ARE speaking properly these >> days :) >> >> Celia Renshaw >> Chesterfield, Derbyshire > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message