My English research friend Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list forwarded the Register for 1939 (which I think he found on Find My Past), but I am not sure what this Register means as it seemed to be like the same information recorded on a census. Malcolm was able to find some ‘removed’ relatives whose forebears started out in southwest Scotland before moving south to England where they seemed to have ‘upgraded’ their employment status from agricultural labourer to such as shopkeeper or insurance agent. In the 1939 Register entries for Clitheroe, Lancashire and Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, some of the records had been redacted, blacked out with a note superimposed ’This record is officially closed.’ Why redacted, I don’t know. There is not explanatory footnote. What intrigued me, however, was the occupation listed as ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ or ‘Housekeeper Unpaid.’ Stay-at-home wives/mothers used to joke that they were ‘unpaid flunkies, but I had no idea that ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ was an official designation for one who was obviously the spouse of the ‘head of household,’ male, i.e. (back then!). Was this an enlightened enumeration term pre-WWII? Needless to say, the head of household, generally the male, had traditional employment listed:, carpenter, farm worker, or if female, shop assistant, Paid Domestic Duties, etc. Presently, an historical ‘stay-at-home’ (unpaid!) salary for a mother works out at about $135,000 for a 97 hour week (USA)...depending on who does the survey!...technically, she still qualifies for the designated occupation of ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’! Maisie

Hi Maisie Firstly its not a census but the 1939 National Identity registration All persons no matter their age were required to register, most did A schedule was left beforehand to be filled in by the head of household with names, date of birth and occupation The enumerator called to collect them and sat down with the head of household and checked the details were correct, he also took the occupation and skills of the person concerned, the unpaid household duties was to differentiate them from a paid cleaner etc , the idea was to build a knowledge of who could do what in the event they may be needed, you are painting a picture of something that wasn't even considered, many wives stayed at home and were unpaid housekeepers no more no less The 1939 included all within England & Wales except for those in the military whether abroad or at bases in the UK Those who are not as yet 100 or have not had proof of death are redacted The 1939 NIR was used as the basis for the NHS register and was used as a working document until 1991, many ladies in 1939 later married and their new name was updated on the NIR If a person is known to have died but is still closed (redacted) you can supply proof to findmypast in the way of a death certificate to have the record opened Ration books were also based on the NIR and some mothers having left off their sons in case of call up, found they had to register them afterwards to get a ration book for them Those who were missed or left off or entered the country after Sep 1939 are not included in this release Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/02/2016 17:44, Maisie Egger via wrote: > My English research friend Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list > forwarded the Register for 1939 (which I think he found on Find My > Past), but I am not sure what this Register means as it seemed to be > like the same information recorded on a census. > > Malcolm was able to find some ‘removed’ relatives whose forebears > started out in southwest Scotland before moving south to England > where they seemed to have ‘upgraded’ their employment status from > agricultural labourer to such as shopkeeper or insurance agent. > > In the 1939 Register entries for Clitheroe, Lancashire and > Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, some of the records had been redacted, > blacked out with a note superimposed ’This record is officially > closed.’ Why redacted, I don’t know. There is not explanatory > footnote. > > What intrigued me, however, was the occupation listed as ‘Unpaid > Domestic Duties’ or ‘Housekeeper Unpaid.’ Stay-at-home wives/mothers > used to joke that they were ‘unpaid flunkies, but I had no idea that > ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ was an official designation for one who was > obviously the spouse of the ‘head of household,’ male, i.e. (back > then!). Was this an enlightened enumeration term pre-WWII? > Needless to say, the head of household, generally the male, had > traditional employment listed:, carpenter, farm worker, or if female, > shop assistant, Paid Domestic Duties, etc. > > Presently, an historical ‘stay-at-home’ (unpaid!) salary for a mother > works out at about $135,000 for a 97 hour week (USA)...depending on > who does the survey!...technically, she still qualifies for the > designated occupation of ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’! > > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Maisie Yes it's Findmypast that it's on. As soon as I return the grandchildren to their parents I'm going to have a look at it. Yes it's got info similar to census but remember England has no census later than 1911.....the 100 year closure is strictly applied. The redaction is applied to people who might still be alive....but it seems to be a bit haphazardly applied. I got your email about the prisoner camp in Rothesay. When I was at school in the 60s it was a holiday camp owned by the Co-op. I wasn't aware that it was used during the war. I've had the grandchildren all week....it's half term. Mummy is coming up on Saturday to take them home on Sunday. I've enjoyed their company but it's quite tiring running around after them. Irene Sent from my iPad > On 18 Feb 2016, at 17:44, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > My English research friend Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list forwarded the Register for 1939 (which I think he found on Find My Past), but I am not sure what this Register means as it seemed to be like the same information recorded on a census. > > Malcolm was able to find some ‘removed’ relatives whose forebears started out in southwest Scotland before moving south to England where they seemed to have ‘upgraded’ their employment status from agricultural labourer to such as shopkeeper or insurance agent. > > In the 1939 Register entries for Clitheroe, Lancashire and Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, some of the records had been redacted, blacked out with a note superimposed ’This record is officially closed.’ Why redacted, I don’t know. There is not explanatory footnote. > > What intrigued me, however, was the occupation listed as ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ or ‘Housekeeper Unpaid.’ Stay-at-home wives/mothers used to joke that they were ‘unpaid flunkies, but I had no idea that ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ was an official designation for one who was obviously the spouse of the ‘head of household,’ male, i.e. (back then!). Was this an enlightened enumeration term pre-WWII? Needless to say, the head of household, generally the male, had traditional employment listed:, carpenter, farm worker, or if female, shop assistant, Paid Domestic Duties, etc. > > Presently, an historical ‘stay-at-home’ (unpaid!) salary for a mother works out at about $135,000 for a 97 hour week (USA)...depending on who does the survey!...technically, she still qualifies for the designated occupation of ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’! > > > Maisie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Irene Just for clarity I think you meant to say that England has no *open* census post 1911 We have a 1921 which will be open 2022 The 1931 was totally destroyed by a fire The 1941 was not taken due to the war So the next after that is the 1951 to be released in 2052 The redaction in the 1939 NIR is not actually haphazard, it does follow the rules laid down Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/02/2016 18:30, Irene Macleod via wrote: > Hi Maisie Yes it's Findmypast that it's on. As soon as I return the > grandchildren to their parents I'm going to have a look at it. Yes > it's got info similar to census but remember England has no census > later than 1911.....the 100 year closure is strictly applied. The > redaction is applied to people who might still be alive....but it > seems to be a bit haphazardly applied. I got your email about the > prisoner camp in Rothesay. When I was at school in the 60s it was a > holiday camp owned by the Co-op. I wasn't aware that it was used > during the war. I've had the grandchildren all week....it's half > term. Mummy is coming up on Saturday to take them home on Sunday. > I've enjoyed their company but it's quite tiring running around after > them. Irene --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus