Thanks for this extra information, Jo Ann. Trade has expanded exponentially from just palm oil, however. I have been reading more about British involvement in Lagos-Nigeria, and then the eventual separation of both entities. Interestingly, nowadays many scam artists have their h.q. in Nigeria, some speaking with a Brit accent! The 3rd engineer was low man on the totem pole, then, the equivalent of a skivvy! I was curious that if Gordon Hyslop worked below decks as an engineer what were the circumstances of his death by drowning. Mean thought: maybe he’d been in his cups and lost his balance and fell overboard!!! Thanks for the info. Maisie From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:37 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Maisie, Some info on the port of Lagos. This was the main port for Nigeria and exports were mostly palm oils. From Wikipedia: "In order to stop the slave trade there, Britain annexed Lagos in 1861. In 1879, Sir George Goldie gained control of all the British firms trading on the Niger, and in the 1880s he took over two French companies active there and signed treaties with numerous African leaders. Largely because of Goldie's efforts, Great Britain was able to claim S Nigeria at the Conference of Berlin (see Berlin, Conference of) held in 1884–85." As for 3rd Engineer, this is not the highly qualified position it sounds like. It's was more someone who ran around do scut work for the senior engineers, such as cleaning, check for leaks, etc. Jo-Ann Croft On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Very good information, Nivard. I just would not have known where to unearth this information. I can not quite figure out what the ship was used for, however,...what would be brought into and taken away from Lagos?

Maisie, I was looking for the father of my uncle Robert Maitland years ago.  He was a crew member aboard a ship.  One of the interesting bits of information that I came across was that in most ports when a seaman was found floating, the authorities assumed that he had been robbed, murdered and dumped into the water by the gangs that worked the dock areas.  Our Maitland disappeared in the port of NYC.  The police there have, and I stand to be corrected on this, at least 180 (as of 20 years ago) such cases of the bodies of seamen that are still unidentified after having been fished from the waters around the docks.  If this is just one U.S. port, you can imagine how many more were killed around the world in other ports.  Asian ports had the worst reputations for such misdoings. Good hunting, Cliff. On Saturday, April 9, 2016 2:13 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks for this extra information, Jo Ann. Trade has expanded exponentially from just palm oil, however. I have been reading more about British involvement in Lagos-Nigeria, and then the eventual separation of both entities. Interestingly, nowadays many scam artists have their h.q. in Nigeria, some speaking with a Brit accent! The 3rd engineer was low man on the totem pole, then, the equivalent of a skivvy!  I was curious that if Gordon Hyslop worked below decks as an engineer what were the circumstances of his death by drowning.  Mean thought:  maybe he’d been in his cups and lost his balance and fell overboard!!! Thanks for the info. Maisie From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:37 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Maisie, Some info on the port of Lagos.  This was the main port for Nigeria and exports were mostly palm oils.  From Wikipedia: "In order to stop the slave trade there, Britain annexed Lagos in 1861. In 1879, Sir George Goldie gained control of all the British firms trading on the Niger, and in the 1880s he took over two French companies active there and signed treaties with numerous African leaders. Largely because of Goldie's efforts, Great Britain was able to claim S Nigeria at the Conference of Berlin (see Berlin, Conference of) held in 1884–85." As for 3rd Engineer, this is not the highly qualified position it sounds like.  It's was more someone who ran around do scut work for the senior engineers, such as cleaning, check for leaks, etc. Jo-Ann Croft On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote:   Very good information, Nivard.  I just would not have known where to unearth   this information.   I can not quite figure out what the ship was used for, however,...what would   be brought into and taken away from Lagos?   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your explanation for possible drowning/lost at sea of your relative, Cliff. It is such a coincidence that three brothers in the one family were either lost or were drowned at sea. This report of Gordon Hyslop having drowned in Lagos, Nigeria, makes one ponder. He was born January 2 1848, and as a Scot perhaps celebrated New Year January 1 and thereafter! No proof, of course that he was in his cups, just an ‘unkind’ supposition! As Nivard cautions, we should not be presumptuous about the circumstances of a death at sea. In the Register of Effects, he has 12/-d (twelve shillings) ‘net amount due to the estate’---I have no idea what this means. I have no locations or dates, only years, when James Hyslop died at sea 1853, and Peter Hyslop 1858, one year after his brother Gordon Hyslop, Lagos, Nigeria. What a tragedy! Maisie From: Cliff. Johnston Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 12:24 PM To: Maisie Egger ; Jo Ann Croft ; LANARK@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Maisie, I was looking for the father of my uncle Robert Maitland years ago. He was a crew member aboard a ship. One of the interesting bits of information that I came across was that in most ports when a seaman was found floating, the authorities assumed that he had been robbed, murdered and dumped into the water by the gangs that worked the dock areas. Our Maitland disappeared in the port of NYC. The police there have, and I stand to be corrected on this, at least 180 (as of 20 years ago) such cases of the bodies of seamen that are still unidentified after having been fished from the waters around the docks. If this is just one U.S. port, you can imagine how many more were killed around the world in other ports. Asian ports had the worst reputations for such misdoings. Good hunting, Cliff. On Saturday, April 9, 2016 2:13 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks for this extra information, Jo Ann. Trade has expanded exponentially from just palm oil, however. I have been reading more about British involvement in Lagos-Nigeria, and then the eventual separation of both entities. Interestingly, nowadays many scam artists have their h.q. in Nigeria, some speaking with a Brit accent! The 3rd engineer was low man on the totem pole, then, the equivalent of a skivvy! I was curious that if Gordon Hyslop worked below decks as an engineer what were the circumstances of his death by drowning. Mean thought: maybe he’d been in his cups and lost his balance and fell overboard!!! Thanks for the info. Maisie From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:37 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Maisie, Some info on the port of Lagos. This was the main port for Nigeria and exports were mostly palm oils. From Wikipedia: "In order to stop the slave trade there, Britain annexed Lagos in 1861. In 1879, Sir George Goldie gained control of all the British firms trading on the Niger, and in the 1880s he took over two French companies active there and signed treaties with numerous African leaders. Largely because of Goldie's efforts, Great Britain was able to claim S Nigeria at the Conference of Berlin (see Berlin, Conference of) held in 1884–85." As for 3rd Engineer, this is not the highly qualified position it sounds like. It's was more someone who ran around do scut work for the senior engineers, such as cleaning, check for leaks, etc. Jo-Ann Croft On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Very good information, Nivard. I just would not have known where to unearth this information. I can not quite figure out what the ship was used for, however,...what would be brought into and taken away from Lagos? -------------------------------