Judy: What is the email address of your Library to search for these M.I.s please? Ruth in Canada -----Original Message----- From: Judy Wardlaw via Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:55 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Ideas to help break down the brick wall required please Alison Have you access to Sheila M Scott, Monumental Inscriptions (pre 1855) Upper ward of Lanarkshire 1977. We have this in our library, at GSV (Genealogical Library of Victoria). I am sure that it is widely available. They list many Lanarkshire graveyard inscriptions both before and AFTER 1855. You may find information of deaths and family connection in this. I have found it extremely helpful with my family back in Carmichael, Covington, Biggar and many, many other graveyards. Just beware that occasionally there are some errors as memorials are often added some time after death and in other cases I have found that the inscription has been misinterpreted when transcribed because of indecipherable letters. I have proved this when visiting some of these graveyards. Judy in Melbourne, Australia Alison wrote ... 1. I can find no burial entry in Lanark or West Lothian for any FORREST/ FOREST and various other spellings etc between 1846 and 1854 on Scotlandspeople that would fit for Alexander or Helen/Ellen (various spellings for both). I have also done a full records search and again nothing for any burial of them either. I know they most likely were poor, hence most likely no headstone, but still thought a burial somewhere might be recorded,,,,,. ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, hoping this list can give me a few other ideas to search on. I will list the details I do have and see what everyone can come up with to help with ideas and searches. I belong to full Ancestry and Full Findmypast, plus I use Familysearch and another web sites I can to help with my research. Use Scotlandspeople all the time and aware of using wildcards and name variants. I live in Brisbane Australia, so not possible even in the future for me to visit Scotland or other overseas countries. Helen Airdly/Yeardly/ Early many various spellings (as you will see with the records I have located) was born 14 Aug 1821 and Baptised 16 Sept 1821, Carmichael Lanarkshire to parents David Yeardly and Anne Weir - I have the proof from Scotlandpeople, and details from family bible handed down. Helen Yeardly married Alexander Forrest 12 July 1840, Carluke, Lanarkshire - Have marriage from Scotlandspeople 6 June 1841 Census: Calder Bank Iron Works, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire FORREST Alexander, 20, Ironstone Miner, Yes for Lanark & FORREST Helen, 15, Yes for Lanark 19 Dec 1841, New Monkland, Lanarkshire: First child - Ann Weir Forrest daughter of Alex Forrest, Collier & Helen Yeardley, his spouse was born 14th Oct and Baptised 19th Dec 1841 (I descend from Annie Weir Forrest - my 2x Great Grandmother) (I have all her details) 15 Oct 1843, New Monkland, Lanarkshire: Second Child - Alexander Forrest, son of Alexander Forrest, miner in Stand & Helen Yardly his spouse was born 6th Sept & Baptised 15th Oct 1843. (I have Alexander's family, his death etc) 28 Dec 1845, Free Church, Holytown, Lanarkshire: Third Child - Elizabeth Forrest, born 6 Nov 1845 & Baptised 28 Dec 1845 - Note this entry does not come up on Scotlandspeople - but I do have a batch number that is NOT a submitted number from Family search. Quote from the Scottish Mining Site: I often use this as a great source of information about the areas even if your ancestor was not a miner. 26 Aug 1846 Distressing Colliery Accident - A distressing accident occurred at Stevenson Colliery, by Holytown, a few days ago, when a collier of the name of Alex. Forrest was severely hurt by a fall of coal, in consequence of which he was removed to the infirmary in Glasgow, where he lingered till Wednesday morning last, when death put an end to his sufferings. He has left a wife near her confinement, and three young children, to deplore his unhappy fate. (Glasgow Herald 31 August 1846) (I believe this is most likely my Alexander Forrest married to Helen Yeardly) 30 March 1851 Census: School Row, Whitburn, West Lothian Living with the JEFFREY family (I cannot find a connection to them regardless of searches) YEARDLY, Helen, Widow, Lodger, aged 29, born Carnwath Lanark FORREST, Ann, Lodger, 10, Scholar, born New Monkland FORREST, Elizabeth, Lodger, 5, born Bothwell I have found Alexander FORREST living with John and Elizabeth GRAY and recorded as Nephew on the 1851 Census. Elizabeth Gray was Elizabeth Yeardley before marriage, so therefore is and was the sister of Helen. So Nephew is correct. As I said previously I have followed Alexander Forrest as above and his marriage/death states his parents as Alexander Forrest and Ellen Early (again another spelling various) When he married in 1869, both parents are listed as deceased. When my Annie Weir Forrest married in 1862, also in Whitburn West Lothian, she also stated both her parents Alexander Forrest and Helen Yeardley were deceased. 1. I can find no burial entry in Lanark or West Lothian for any FORREST/ FOREST and various other spellings etc between 1846 and 1854 on Scotlandspeople that would fit for Alexander or Helen/Ellen (various spellings for both). I have also done a full records search and again nothing for any burial of them either. I know they most likely were poor, hence most likely no headstone, but still thought a burial somewhere might be recorded. 2. The same goes for above searches including all Helen's/Ellen's etc from 1855 - 1862 on Scotlandspeople - again a Nil result under Forrest/Forest/ etc and all spellings of her maiden name. 3. In regards to the Newspaper article saying that wife was near confinement - which is a very possible (would have gotten pregnant soon after last birth though), I have searched all baptisms showing on Scotlandspeople from 1846 - 1854 regarding the surname of Forrest etc - nothing showing for 1846 or 1847 that I can match to Helen or Alexander in either Lanarkshire or West Lothian. 4. In relation to above child, also I cannot find a burial that would match in either Lanarkshire or West Lothian 5. Have found the following which I feel might be a consideration but can find nothing else which is why I am asking for help. Record of a Helen Airdly marrying a Daniel MICHAN, in Whitburn West Lothian, 21 June 1851 (does not give Daniel's occupation) Also a record of a Daniel MICHAN marrying a Jean GRAY 10 June 1852, Barony Lanark (says Daniel is a Collier at Calton, both residing there, but married at Glasgow in the Free Church in Bridgton, Calton Parish Glasgow 6. Found a child called Mary MICHAN born to Daniel Michan and Jean Gray, baptised 27 Nov 1853, Barony Lanark After this I can find NO Detail of Daniel, Jean or Mary, Nor anything about my Helen/Ellen I am thinking that Helen Yeardly who firstly married Alexander Forrest, may have married Daniel Michan (again various spellings tried included Mc etc), and then died soon after marriage, so that he then went on to marry Jean Gray. BTW Daniel or Dan Michan shows on the 1851 Census, as a Lodger, Miner, and being born in Ireland c 1822. Daniel, Jean and Mary seem to disappear completely after this, even doing searches in the USA and Australia etc - so would be very very interested in others ideas of where to search for them as well as my Helen if possible to find burial to get more proof on what actually happened to them as a family. I am still working on Elizabeth Forrest - followed some lines but they seem to be different Elizabeth's. Looking forward to ideas please. kind regards Ailsa Ailsa Corlett ailsa@st.net.au http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: ailsacorlett@gmail.com

Ailsa, A real wild shot here .... I have a record of a marriage 12 Jun 1868 in Carnwath of a Thomas Chapman and a Margaret Watson, born about 1843 in Carnwath, who is stated on the marriage certificate to be the daughter of Jane Watson and "reputed father Alexander FORREST". I received this information from another lurker on this List and do not have the certificate or any details other than what is shown above. If you think this could prove useful to your research, please contact me and I will try to connect you to that other Lister. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ailsa Corlett via Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:56 AM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Ideas to help break down the brick wall required please Helen Yeardly married Alexander Forrest 12 July 1840, Carluke, Lanarkshire - Have marriage from Scotlandspeople 6 June 1841 Census: Calder Bank Iron Works, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire FORREST Alexander, 20, Ironstone Miner, Yes for Lanark & FORREST Helen, 15, Yes for Lanark 19 Dec 1841, New Monkland, Lanarkshire: First child - Ann Weir Forrest daughter of Alex Forrest, Collier & Helen Yeardley, his spouse was born 14th Oct and Baptised 19th Dec 1841 (I descend from Annie Weir Forrest - my 2x Great Grandmother) (I have all her details) 15 Oct 1843, New Monkland, Lanarkshire: Second Child - Alexander Forrest, son of Alexander Forrest, miner in Stand & Helen Yardly his spouse was born 6th Sept & Baptised 15th Oct 1843. (I have Alexander's family, his death etc) 28 Dec 1845, Free Church, Holytown, Lanarkshire: Third Child - Elizabeth Forrest, born 6 Nov 1845 & Baptised 28 Dec 1845 - Note this entry does not come up on Scotlandspeople - but I do have a batch number that is NOT a submitted number from Family search. Looking forward to ideas please. kind regards Ailsa

Hi Ailsa Your main problem is probably due to the intermittent nature of deaths/burials recording in Scotland in particular pre 1855 If you google OPR Deaths & Burials it should take you to the article in the FAQs on Scotlandspeople I checked the newspapers in case there might be any more reported but only found the article you stated, if you want a copy of the article let me know but as you have findmypast you should find it anyway See also the article on scotlandspeople regarding death registrations (ie under civil registration 1855 on), from 1855 and the first few years, a death registration may contain much more than the later registrations, including the place of burial, so if you find one death in the 1855 to 1860 range it may lead you to the place of burial of others Did you notice the John YEARDLY that married a week after your Helen same place, perhaps worth tracking him if you haven't already done so Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/07/2016 11:56, Ailsa Corlett via wrote: > Hi, hoping this list can give me a few other ideas to search on. I will list > the details I do have and see what everyone can come up with to help with > ideas and searches. > I belong to full Ancestry and Full Findmypast, plus I use Familysearch and > another web sites I can to help with my research. Use Scotlandspeople all > the time and aware of using wildcards and name variants. > I live in Brisbane Australia, so not possible even in the future for me to > visit Scotland or other overseas countries.

The article was submitted by my niece on Facebook. Not to be melodramatic, but it is absolutely heartrending how Springburn Park has become almost derelict. What a wonderful park: three ponds, including a duck pond and boating pond, swing park, cricket and soccer fields, bandstand, and the fantastic conservatories with such diverse flora and ‘hothouses,’ and on and on, typical of the marvellous public parks Glasgow should be famous for. No one seems to have a reason why the outstanding conservatories became iron shells. The district of Springburn up until more recent times had a population of 35,000, but with the demise of heavy industry, particularly locomotives, Springburn lost 4,500 workers. https://www.facebook.com/ :::More old photos of Sprinburn Park, Dates/Years taken Unknown. Look how beautiful this park and the Winter Gardens used to be and look at it today with my pictures and videos below. Springburn Park MUST be restored and looked after and maintained properly by Glasgow City Council! Here is a snippet of the park's history: The land for the park was acquired in 1892 being primarily poor agricultural land with the remains of an ironstone pit and an old quarry on it. The Reid family, with connections to the Hyde Park Locomotive Works, contributed to the development of the park and its enlargement in 1900 with help to purchase Cockmuir Farm. A monument to Sir James Reid was built in 1903 by public subscription to acknowledge his contribution to the parks' development.The currently derelict 'A' listed Winter Gardens were built by Glasgow Corporation as a condition for accepting a £12,000 gift from Hugh Reid, of the North British Locomotive Company, to finance the construction of the nearby Springburn Public Halls. Mosesfield House in the park was built in 1838 by the architect David Hamilton for a bookseller called James Duncan and takes its name from Old Mosesfield, a house that stood nearby. It was purchased by Hugh Reid and gifted to the city in 1904 with the ground floor being used as a museum. In 1952 the ground floor was converted to an old men's club and it remains as such to this day.::: Maisie Townhead born Balornock brought up, with Springburn the hub for shopping and entertainment

Thats great to hear Irene Always good to hear of success stories :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/06/2016 12:19, Irene Macleod wrote: > Hi > Thank you Nivard. Searched this database yesterday and to my delight up > came a Christina Grierson from Priestside farm in Dumfriesshire ...so > definitely connected to my lot. She turned out to be the wife of one of > my sideshoots...he died in Australia in 1904 and all I had was the name > of his wife Christina Gent. The Red Cross site gave me enough info to > trace her back into England ...her parents had emigrated from Lincs and > then returned ....found a whole new branch for database. A great afternoon. > Irene

HiThank you Nivard. Searched this database yesterday and to my delight up came a Christina Grierson from Priestside farm in Dumfriesshire ...so definitely connected to my lot. She turned out to be the wife of one of my sideshoots...he died in Australia in 1904 and all I had was the name of his wife Christina Gent. The Red Cross site gave me enough info to trace her back into England ...her parents had emigrated from Lincs and then returned ....found a whole new branch for database. A great afternoon. Irene From: Nivard Ovington via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 1 May 2016, 18:09 Subject: [Lanark] British Red Cross >> Volunteers during the first world war database Voluntary Aid Detachments (VADs) County branches of the Red Cross had their own groups of volunteers called Voluntary Aid Detachments (often abbreviated to VAD). Voluntary Aid Detachment members themselves came to be known simply as ‘VADs’. Made up of men and women, the VADs carried out a range of voluntary positions including nursing, transport duties, and the organisation of rest stations, working parties and auxiliary hospitals. ============ It has been announced the database is now complete <http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/History-and-origin/First-World-War/Volunteers-during-WW1> I have a known VAD nurse who sadly died just at the start of the war, she does not appear in the database but to my surprise I found several others, male and female who I was not expecting to find So well worth a check to see if any of yours are listed there It can be searched by forename, surname, location or hospital name or role/duty OR any of the above I found several by using a location and scrolling through the results A very useful database indeed NB plenty of hits for keywords, Scotland, Lanarkshire, Glasgow etc -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:03:40 +0100 From: Carole Berman <caroleb@internode.on.net> Subject: Are you my relative - I am looking for my Scottish relatives!! Hi everyone I have many relatives who are Scottish and would be very interested in meeting their living relatives in the Lanarkshire, Glasgow, West Lothian, Linlithgow, Midlothian areas (and possibly other areas nearby). Grace Perrot McGINTY, my G Grandmother from her 2nd marriage in Australia b. 17 Sep 1857 at School Lane Carluke LKS to Elizabeth HENDERSON & James McGINTY. Married her first husband Michael O'HAGAN (and variants) at Sacred Heart Chapel, 50 Dalmarnock Road Glasgow on 6 Nov 1877. Lived at 90 Dalmarnock Road Glasgow. Elizabeth HENDERSON (b. abt. 1837 Hamilton LKS) & James McGINTY (b. abt. 1833 Livingston Linlithgow), my GGGrandparents, m. Stonefield Blantyre LKS. Elizabeth died at 59 Darngaber Row, Quarter, Hamilton as Elizabeth WILSON (2nd marriage with one issue). James McGINTY's parents are John McGINTY and Grace SPRIT. Elizabeth HENDERSON's parents are John HENDERSON and Elizabeth McNAB. According to the following censuses Elizabeth and James lived in: 1841-New Wynd, Hamilton LKS. 1871-49 Abercromby Street Calton Glasgow 1881-78 Merry & Abercromby Row Blantyre LKS 1891-6 Baird's Row Blantyre Stonefield LKS 1901-15 Calder Street Blantyre LKS I look forward to hearing from anyone who may be interested in these families. I am staying in Biggar until Friday this week. Sincerely Carole BERMAN Sent from my iPad

If a woman who has previously been married remarries, the index lists all her maiden surnames and any previous married names as well. It could  be that the woman in question, given name aaaa, was born illegitimate to a mother with surname zzzz, so her full name was aaaa zzzz. Then she took the surname of her biological father, yyyy and her name became aaaa yyyy. Then her mother married Mr xxxx and adopted her, so she acquired his surname, becoming aaaa xxxx. Finally she herself married Mr vvvv and took his surname, to be known as aaaa vvvv. Then she was divorced from Mr vvvv and married Mr uuuu. The index listing of her marriage to Mr uuuu should list her as aaaa zzzz, aaaa yyyy, aaaa xxxx and aaaa uuuu. Hence four index listings for a single marriage. Hope I make myself clear! Anne From: MoiraNZ . via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 3 June 2016, 6:03 Subject: [Lanark] adoption query Thanks very much for the detailed information , Anne.Everything youve mentioned is on the certificate other than the "adopted" signed registrar Alex Gradner whereas the rest was signed by Thomas Christie, assistant registrar. Some interesting facts have come to light since...James McGinigle and Helen Robertson married 1939. Son James Gavin McGinigle was born 1942  .His father was KIA June 1943 and his wife remarried Sep 1943, three months later ??  I couldnt find any further info on the son as a McGinigle but did track down a marriage for James Gavin McGuire aged 50  in Dundee. Interesting,  his Scotlands People data shows wife Tracy with four different surnames but the same GPOS number for the four "marriages " I'll send away for his marriage certificate.BTW Helen married three times. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much for the detailed information , Anne.Everything youve mentioned is on the certificate other than the "adopted" signed registrar Alex Gradner whereas the rest was signed by Thomas Christie, assistant registrar. Some interesting facts have come to light since...James McGinigle and Helen Robertson married 1939. Son James Gavin McGinigle was born 1942 .His father was KIA June 1943 and his wife remarried Sep 1943, three months later ?? I couldnt find any further info on the son as a McGinigle but did track down a marriage for James Gavin McGuire aged 50 in Dundee. Interesting, his Scotlands People data shows wife Tracy with four different surnames but the same GPOS number for the four "marriages " I'll send away for his marriage certificate.BTW Helen married three times. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

If the child has never been told, (s)he will only find out when (s)he applies for a copy of his/her birth certificate. Instead of a conventional birth certificate (s)he will get an adoption certificate. Then (s)he will know that (s)he needs to apply for a copy of her/his original birth certificate, but only the child (or someone specifically authorised by him/her in writing) will be allowed to see the original certificate. As far as I know there are no provisions for anyone at all to see the original birth certificate of an adopted child who has died. Anne From: "ruth.enns@shaw.ca" <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> To: Anne Burgess <anne.listmail@btinternet.com>; lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 May 2016, 14:44 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Adoption in Scotland But what if the child was never told it was adopted?? Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess via Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 2:59 AM To: Irene Macleod ; Celia Renshaw ; lanark@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Adoption in Scotland     > when one searches for the birth cert of an adopted child it comes up NRH on the computer in the search room.....which makes me wonder if they hold further info. They do, but it is not available to researchers. As far as I know only the adopted child is allowed to see his/her original birth certificate. Anne ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmm. That does look odd. The rules are quite clear about fathers signing certificates. In the case of married parents the date and place of their marriage is recorded on the birth certificate. If the mother is married, the child is assumed to be her husband's unless she declares that he is not the father. If she does not make any such declaration there is no requirement for the husband/father to sign either at the time of registration or later. If the child is illegitimate, the father's name can only be included in the birth certificate in one of two ways. Either he must accompany the mother when she goes to register the birth, and sign the entry at the same time as she does, or there must be a court order (for example arising out of an action for paternity) authorising the Registrar to add the father's name. The father cannot roll up later and have his name added in any other way. If it is a normal-looking birth certificate, with the place and time of the child's birth, and the word 'Adopted' is written in the left-hand column, this normally means that the child has been given away to be adopted by someone else. However it can be the case that a child born illegitimately is later adopted by the mother with a husband who is not the father of the child. Noting the date of the birth, it could well be a case of a husband adopting his wife's baby by someone else - this did happen in time of war when so many husbands were away on active service. It doesn't explain how he was able to sign the certificate later, however, and eight days is hardly long enough to get a court order. Anne From: MoiraNZ . via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 30 May 2016, 9:56 Subject: [Lanark] adoption query I have a Scotland 1942 birth certificate and everything looks normal eg the correct and married parents, the place and time of birth but  "Adopted (signed ) Alex A Gardner ...Registrar " has been written in the box on the far left .It looks to me that the mother actually gave birth to that child.   Another thought......could it be the case of the mother having the baby and her husband adopting him as his own ? The father has signed the registration eight days later. He was on active service. Cheers...........Moira in NZ <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Scotland 1942 birth certificate and everything looks normal eg the correct and married parents, the place and time of birth but "Adopted (signed ) Alex A Gardner ...Registrar " has been written in the box on the far left .It looks to me that the mother actually gave birth to that child. Another thought......could it be the case of the mother having the baby and her husband adopting him as his own ? The father has signed the registration eight days later. He was on active service. Cheers...........Moira in NZ <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Hi Bill Was the adoption before 1930 (when official adoption started in Scotland) if so there will be no record If under official adoption, there are strict rules for accessing adoption paperwork for which there is a 100 closure Only to the person themselves if over 16 or with the written authority of the adopted person See http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/adoption-records Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/05/2016 18:18, Bill MARTIN via wrote: > Re: Adoption in Scotland > > If the adopted person is deceased, can a blood relative have access to any of their records? > > In my case, the cousin in question would have been born before 1920. > > Bill

Re: Adoption in Scotland If the adopted person is deceased, can a blood relative have access to any of their records? In my case, the cousin in question would have been born before 1920. Bill ________________________________________ From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com <lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of lanark-request@rootsweb.com <lanark-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 30, 2016 3:00:25 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: LANARK Digest, Vol 11, Issue 67 PLEASE NOTE When replying to a digest message, please quote only the specific portion or message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ------------------------------- Today's Topics: 1. Re: Adoption in Scotland (Anne Burgess) 2. Re: Adoption in Scotland (Anne Burgess) 3. Re: Adoption in Scotland (ruth.enns@shaw.ca) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 09:59:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Anne Burgess <anne.listmail@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Adoption in Scotland To: Irene Macleod <lowlandscot@sky.com>, Celia Renshaw <celiarenshaw@gmail.com>, "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com>, "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1766008940.1604023.1464515950930.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > when one searches for the birth cert of an adopted child it comes up NRH on the computer in the search room.....which makes me wonder if they hold further info. They do, but it is not available to researchers. As far as I know only the adopted child is allowed to see his/her original birth certificate. Anne ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 09:59:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Anne Burgess <anne.listmail@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Adoption in Scotland To: Irene Macleod <lowlandscot@sky.com>, Celia Renshaw <celiarenshaw@gmail.com>, "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com>, "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1766008940.1604023.1464515950930.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > when one searches for the birth cert of an adopted child it comes up NRH on the computer in the search room.....which makes me wonder if they hold further info. They do, but it is not available to researchers. As far as I know only the adopted child is allowed to see his/her original birth certificate. Anne ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 06:44:40 -0700 From: <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Adoption in Scotland To: "Anne Burgess" <anne.listmail@btinternet.com>, <lanark@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D92217D12E28497BB6AB7F769BE4354D@RuthPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original But what if the child was never told it was adopted?? Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess via Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 2:59 AM To: Irene Macleod ; Celia Renshaw ; lanark@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Adoption in Scotland > when one searches for the birth cert of an adopted child it comes up NRH on the computer in the search room.....which makes me wonder if they hold further info. They do, but it is not available to researchers. As far as I know only the adopted child is allowed to see his/her original birth certificate. Anne ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the LANARK list administrator, send an email to LANARK-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LANARK mailing list, send an email to LANARK@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LANARK Digest, Vol 11, Issue 67 **************************************

> when one searches for the birth cert of an adopted child it comes up NRH on the computer in the search room.....which makes me wonder if they hold further info. They do, but it is not available to researchers. As far as I know only the adopted child is allowed to see his/her original birth certificate. Anne

But what if the child was never told it was adopted?? Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess via Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 2:59 AM To: Irene Macleod ; Celia Renshaw ; lanark@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Adoption in Scotland > when one searches for the birth cert of an adopted child it comes up NRH on the computer in the search room.....which makes me wonder if they hold further info. They do, but it is not available to researchers. As far as I know only the adopted child is allowed to see his/her original birth certificate. Anne ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The trains are using Queen St low level station. You won't have any problem getting to and from Edinburgh. Irene Sent from my iPad > On 28 May 2016, at 05:04, Margaret McNab via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Does any one know if there is construction there . Are trains being reroute to Central.?I will be there next Saturday and plan on making trips to Edinburgh in the coming 2 weeks.Thank You > Margaret Ontario Canada > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any one know if there is construction there  . Are trains being reroute to Central.?I will be there next Saturday and plan on making trips to Edinburgh in the coming 2 weeks.Thank You  Margaret Ontario Canada

Hi Frank I think if the mother took the father to court and he was declared to be the father then there will be an RCE note ( Register of Corrected entries) on the birth certificate held at Register House....but would not be on an original birth certificate. The other point is that when one searches for the birth cert of an adopted child it comes up NRH on the computer in the search room.....which makes me wonder if they hold further info. Have you tried emailing GRO(S) and asking if they can help? Irene Sent from my iPad > On 23 May 2016, at 16:55, Celia Renshaw via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Frank, the guidance given here by National Records of Scotland: > http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/adoption-records > shows that official adoption started in 1930, so your brother's adoption > happened just two years too early. > > Have you tried searching the NRS online catalogue for the name of the > mother of your brother? It's possible she applied to the Sheriff Court for > paternity and maintenance, as the mother of my 'lost uncle' William > Robertson WILLISON did. The record of her suit states the name of baby > William's father, ie. my grandfather Ernest DANFORTH. > > Of course, father of your brother may have done a swift exit to Canada to > avoid responsibility, as the father in another out-of-wedlock situation in > my Glasgow family did. But it's still worth a look for a paternity case at > Sheriff Court. > > Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield, Derbyshire > >> On 23 May 2016 at 16:44, Frank Mcgonigal via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> My brother was born at the Maternity Hospital in Glasgow in 1928.He was >> adopted by my parents in Clydebank as a baby.I have his birth >> registration.His mothers name is on it of course,but his fathers >> wasn't.When my brother died his son asked me to try and find out who the >> father was.I have lots of info on his mothers line but I couldn't find >> anything on his fathers side,so I sent him a YDNA kit.Luckily I found a >> match to a person in BC Canada whose ancestors came from Scotland.The >> persons name was MacDonald,and was said to be connected to the Glencoe >> MacDonalds. >> Comparing pictures of my brother and new found cousin ..they look like >> brothers. My question is..When did official adoption start in Scotland ?..I >> believe it started after 1928.I've never found any adoption papers,and I >> think my parents might have known the mother because she has the same >> surname as someone who married into my mothers McColl family. >> Thanks Frank McGonigal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier >> message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. >> >> You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on >> the following link to the list information page online: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message