Maisie, I like your point about all who contributed to the labor in building the White House. It's a relevant point. Ann Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Michelle Obama was partly right, as the link indicated, that slaves built the White House. Her comments would have been more to the point if she had given credence to others from Scotland, Ireland and elsewhere who were more trained as tradesmen in building the White House, rather than the ‘grunts’ --- slaves and others less trained---who built such buildings block upon block. Still, Michelle Obama did get our attention in her masterful speech. > > It is incredible that so many ‘uneducated’ tradesmen, Scotsmen, Italians, etc., were able to build by sheer human power such incredible buildings, when one considers the poor modern construction in the present day such as the Red Road flats in Glasgow, which didn’t last 50 years before being knocked down, ditto the same poor construction in the Gorbals where the inhabitants (facetiously or ‘crackers’) were told not to breathe so deeply as it added to the rising damp! > > Maisie > > From: Anne Burgess > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:14 AM > To: Maisie Egger ; LANARK@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House > > At least one of them came from Dyke, near Forres in Moray. I recall doing some work on this man but I cannot for the life of me remember his name! However he is said to have designed parts of the White House. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016, 21:40 > Subject: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House > > > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ > > Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Really, this site is allowing political talk?! So disappointing! To say the least! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Cliff. Johnston via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Maisie, unfortunately Michelle's speech was just another "Obama" rhetorical, slanted, wee bit of current black history. In another 50-100 years we may get an unbiased history of the White House written. Hopefully, by then there will be no need for bias by anyone... > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 1:12 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate Lego ‘buildings’ I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day stonemason or architect. > > Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral built in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human hands, minus modern construction aids. Pollution has changed the light sandstone into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the stonework can be cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh made of limestone which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the limestone disintegrating. > > Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? > > Maisie > > From: Iain McKenzie > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM > To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House > > Maisie, > > > I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the work was. > > > I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. > > > I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. > > > Regards, > > > Iain > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ > > Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do more reading than contributing to this list but I value it and its members. As an American, I feel the need to respond to this thread. I'd like everyone to know that Michelle Obama's comments about slaves building the White House were not meant as a nod to their accomplishments. Nor does she care about the other nationalities who contributed. Her comments about "waking up in a house built by slaves" is a complaint, not a compliment. Remember please that the first time she was ever proud of her country was when her husband was nominated by her party. Jeanne In a message dated 7/27/2016 8:00:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lanark@rootsweb.com writes: Many slaves were expert craftsmen. Plantations were often miniature villages, but this was particularly true in cities, where owners actually hired slaves out, or put them in business and profited from their labor. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger via Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:52 PM To: Anne Burgess ; LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House Michelle Obama was partly right, as the link indicated, that slaves built the White House. Her comments would have been more to the point if she had given credence to others from Scotland, Ireland and elsewhere who were more trained as tradesmen in building the White House, rather than the ‘grunts --- slaves and others less trained---who built such buildings block upon block. Still, Michelle Obama did get our attention in her masterful speech. It is incredible that so many ‘uneducated’ tradesmen, Scotsmen, Italians, etc., were able to build by sheer human power such incredible buildings, when one considers the poor modern construction in the present day such as the Red Road flats in Glasgow, which didn’t last 50 years before being knocked down, ditto the same poor construction in the Gorbals where the inhabitants (facetiously or ‘crackers’) were told not to breathe so deeply as it added to the rising damp! Maisie From: Anne Burgess Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:14 AM To: Maisie Egger ; LANARK@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House At least one of them came from Dyke, near Forres in Moray. I recall doing some work on this man but I cannot for the life of me remember his name! However he is said to have designed parts of the White House. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016, 21:40 Subject: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obam a/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. Maisie ------------------------------- ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie, As far as I can discover, only one of the several quarries around Dalbeattie is still working, and that produces only granite aggregates (you may have known them as chuckies). That quarry is Craignar Hill quarry. There is a little about it at http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Mines/Dalbeattie-Granite-Quarry_15690/ If you enter Dalbeattie Quarry into Google you will see quite a few historical facts about the Dalbeattie quarries. Iain On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate Lego > ‘buildings’ I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day stonemason or > architect. > > Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral built > in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human hands, > minus modern construction aids. Pollution has changed the light sandstone > into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the stonework can be > cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh made of limestone > which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the limestone disintegrating. > > Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? > > Maisie > > *From:* Iain McKenzie <iainmckenzie10@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM > *To:* Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> ; lanark@rootsweb.com > *Subject:* Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House > > Maisie, > > I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was > trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite > quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the > work was. > > I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very > fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, > Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. > > I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in > large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. > > Regards, > > Iain > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> >> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ >> >> Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in >> the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where >> they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite >> City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow >> and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. >> >> Maisie >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier >> message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. >> >> You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on >> the following link to the list information page online: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Many slaves were expert craftsmen. Plantations were often miniature villages, but this was particularly true in cities, where owners actually hired slaves out, or put them in business and profited from their labor. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger via Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:52 PM To: Anne Burgess ; LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House Michelle Obama was partly right, as the link indicated, that slaves built the White House. Her comments would have been more to the point if she had given credence to others from Scotland, Ireland and elsewhere who were more trained as tradesmen in building the White House, rather than the ‘grunts --- slaves and others less trained---who built such buildings block upon block. Still, Michelle Obama did get our attention in her masterful speech. It is incredible that so many ‘uneducated’ tradesmen, Scotsmen, Italians, etc., were able to build by sheer human power such incredible buildings, when one considers the poor modern construction in the present day such as the Red Road flats in Glasgow, which didn’t last 50 years before being knocked down, ditto the same poor construction in the Gorbals where the inhabitants (facetiously or ‘crackers’) were told not to breathe so deeply as it added to the rising damp! Maisie From: Anne Burgess Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:14 AM To: Maisie Egger ; LANARK@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House At least one of them came from Dyke, near Forres in Moray. I recall doing some work on this man but I cannot for the life of me remember his name! However he is said to have designed parts of the White House. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016, 21:40 Subject: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. Maisie ------------------------------- ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maisie, unfortunately Michelle's speech was just another "Obama" rhetorical, slanted, wee bit of current black history.  In another 50-100 years we may get an unbiased history of the White House written.  Hopefully, by then there will be no need for bias by anyone... On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 1:12 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate Lego ‘buildings’  I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day stonemason or architect. Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral built in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human hands, minus modern construction aids.  Pollution has changed the light sandstone into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the stonework can be cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh made of limestone which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the limestone disintegrating. Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? Maisie From: Iain McKenzie Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House Maisie, I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the work was. I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. Regards, Iain On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote:   http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/   Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA.  I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons.  Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings.   Maisie   -------------------------------   WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com.   You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:   http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html   -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unlike some of you, I did not know slaves had worked at building the White House, nor did I know what you are telling me about Scottish Craftsmen & stone. I feel Michelle was just humbled to think as a black first lady, she had come a long way & was part of in the progression of history of the U.S.A. & was grateful for herself & her family!! She appeared modest to me. Ruth Enns Canada

Keep in mind that a lot of "non essential" documents were destroyed during and after both WWs. On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:38 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: My grandparents left Glasgow for Cape Town, South Africa in the early 1900s.  Two additional children were born there.  I don’t have the year in which their quite young daughter died in Cape Town, but their son returned with the rest of the family to Glasgow around 1908, but died of scarlet fever in Ruchill Hospital around the age of four. My grandfather left the growing family in Cape Town while he sought his fortune in the gold mines in Johannesburg.  My mother, at the age of 12, was sent back to Glasgow with her six-year-old brother in her care on the long sea voyage home, to stay with her grandmother in Glasgow until her mother left Cape Town the following year with the rest of the remaining children. My grandfather then returned to Glasgow from Johannesburg 10 years later, suffering from silicosis of the lungs, from which condition he was compensated by a very healthy pension from the gold mine company for whom he worked in Johannesburg. In the last few years I have contacted various departments in Pretoria where presumably BDM records are kept.  I have gone back and forth umpteen times with any names, dates and addresses I have, but to no avail, judging from the attachment. It has been suggested by others on this list that the ‘new’ South African records could be non-existent especially for the indigenous people, and that records for the Colonial residents may not have been retained.  All supposition.  Is it at all possible that any such records of ‘British colonials’ might have been transferred to some central location in the U.K., after S.A. became a Republic? Maisie From: Moses Malakate Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:24 AM To: campsiehills@sbcglobal.net Subject: ACCESS TO INFORMATION: ROBERT BROWN AND GEORGINA BROWN Herewith undercover a letter of reply for your attention. Please be advised that we are proceeding to close our file herein as we regard the matter finalised. Adv AM Malakate Senior Legal Administration Officer; Department of Home Affairs Directorate: Legislative Drafting 10th Floor, Hallmark Building, 230 Johannes Ramokhoase Street PRETORIA 0002 Private Bag X114, Pretoria 0001 T: 012 4064 273 |Cell: 076 4814 716 |F: 086 576 9025 |E: moses.malakate@dha.gov.za  | w: www.dha.gov.za "Quis custodiet ipso custodes? - "Who will guard the guards themselves"                                     ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At least one of them came from Dyke, near Forres in Moray. I recall doing some work on this man but I cannot for the life of me remember his name! However he is said to have designed parts of the White House. From: Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016, 21:40 Subject: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA.  I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons.  Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. Maisie   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate Lego ‘buildings’ I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day stonemason or architect. Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral built in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human hands, minus modern construction aids. Pollution has changed the light sandstone into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the stonework can be cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh made of limestone which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the limestone disintegrating. Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? Maisie From: Iain McKenzie Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House Maisie, I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the work was. I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. Regards, Iain On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michelle Obama was partly right, as the link indicated, that slaves built the White House. Her comments would have been more to the point if she had given credence to others from Scotland, Ireland and elsewhere who were more trained as tradesmen in building the White House, rather than the ‘grunts’ --- slaves and others less trained---who built such buildings block upon block. Still, Michelle Obama did get our attention in her masterful speech. It is incredible that so many ‘uneducated’ tradesmen, Scotsmen, Italians, etc., were able to build by sheer human power such incredible buildings, when one considers the poor modern construction in the present day such as the Red Road flats in Glasgow, which didn’t last 50 years before being knocked down, ditto the same poor construction in the Gorbals where the inhabitants (facetiously or ‘crackers’) were told not to breathe so deeply as it added to the rising damp! Maisie From: Anne Burgess Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:14 AM To: Maisie Egger ; LANARK@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House At least one of them came from Dyke, near Forres in Moray. I recall doing some work on this man but I cannot for the life of me remember his name! However he is said to have designed parts of the White House. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016, 21:40 Subject: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. Maisie -------------------------------

Some interesting photographs here, from the Telegraph. Cut and paste the url. Photo 2 seems to be mis-named. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/scotlan d/galleries/first-colour-photographs-of-scotland/ Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada

Maisie, I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the work was. I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. Regards, Iain On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ > > Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the > USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they > might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, > has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and > Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret At the start of the war miners were not exempt from call up but from 1943 they were Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/07/2016 15:56, Margaret McNab wrote: > Hi Jeanette, I was born and brought up in Lanarkshire during the war > years. As I remember miners were exempt from the army! > My father served in the army but he wasn't a cold miner! > Hope this helps > Cheers > Margaret

Hi Jeanette I confess I am unsure where the records are, possibly with the MOD or National Archives, although they may well be under the same closure period as the other services (ie release will be 2030) This may help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bevin_Boys Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/07/2016 15:36, Jeannette Walton via wrote: > In looking at my ancestors, mostly in Lanarkshire and West Lothian, I can > find not record of anyone having served in the military. > > These men were all coal miners. Would this be the reason they didn't > serve? Where would I find information about this? > > Thank you, > Jeannette

Hi Jeanette, I was born and brought up in Lanarkshire during the war years. As I remember miners were exempt from the army!My father served in the army but he wasn't a cold miner!Hope this helpsCheersMargaret .com> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] National Service in the UK Hi Jeanette I confess I am unsure where the records are, possibly with the MOD or National Archives, although they may well be under the same closure period as the other services (ie release will be 2030) This may help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bevin_Boys Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/07/2016 15:36, Jeannette Walton via wrote: > In looking at my ancestors, mostly in Lanarkshire and West Lothian, I can > find not record of anyone having served in the military. > > These men were all coal miners.  Would this be the reason they didn't > serve?  Where would I find information about this? > > Thank you, > Jeannette   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. Maisie

Thanks to all. I'm sure this link will help to answer my questions. In working on my husband's line, (Mayflower passenger and all that stuff) we found one of his ancestors served in the Militia, both before and after the Revolutionary War. Me? I'm practically 1st generation American and just curious if any of my Scots or N. Irish served. Jeannette in sunny & hot Florida On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Nivard Ovington via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Margaret > > At the start of the war miners were not exempt from call up but from > 1943 they were > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 26/07/2016 15:56, Margaret McNab wrote: > > Hi Jeanette, I was born and brought up in Lanarkshire during the war > > years. As I remember miners were exempt from the army! > > My father served in the army but he wasn't a cold miner! > > Hope this helps > > Cheers > > Margaret > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In looking at my ancestors, mostly in Lanarkshire and West Lothian, I can find not record of anyone having served in the military. These men were all coal miners. Would this be the reason they didn't serve? Where would I find information about this? Thank you, Jeannette

My grandparents left Glasgow for Cape Town, South Africa in the early 1900s. Two additional children were born there. I don’t have the year in which their quite young daughter died in Cape Town, but their son returned with the rest of the family to Glasgow around 1908, but died of scarlet fever in Ruchill Hospital around the age of four. My grandfather left the growing family in Cape Town while he sought his fortune in the gold mines in Johannesburg. My mother, at the age of 12, was sent back to Glasgow with her six-year-old brother in her care on the long sea voyage home, to stay with her grandmother in Glasgow until her mother left Cape Town the following year with the rest of the remaining children. My grandfather then returned to Glasgow from Johannesburg 10 years later, suffering from silicosis of the lungs, from which condition he was compensated by a very healthy pension from the gold mine company for whom he worked in Johannesburg. In the last few years I have contacted various departments in Pretoria where presumably BDM records are kept. I have gone back and forth umpteen times with any names, dates and addresses I have, but to no avail, judging from the attachment. It has been suggested by others on this list that the ‘new’ South African records could be non-existent especially for the indigenous people, and that records for the Colonial residents may not have been retained. All supposition. Is it at all possible that any such records of ‘British colonials’ might have been transferred to some central location in the U.K., after S.A. became a Republic? Maisie From: Moses Malakate Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:24 AM To: campsiehills@sbcglobal.net Subject: ACCESS TO INFORMATION: ROBERT BROWN AND GEORGINA BROWN Herewith undercover a letter of reply for your attention. Please be advised that we are proceeding to close our file herein as we regard the matter finalised. Adv AM Malakate Senior Legal Administration Officer; Department of Home Affairs Directorate: Legislative Drafting 10th Floor, Hallmark Building, 230 Johannes Ramokhoase Street PRETORIA 0002 Private Bag X114, Pretoria 0001 T: 012 4064 273 |Cell: 076 4814 716 |F: 086 576 9025 |E: moses.malakate@dha.gov.za | w: www.dha.gov.za "Quis custodiet ipso custodes? - "Who will guard the guards themselves"