I couldn't disagree more with this slanted, Scots did everything in history and Black slaves didn't do excellent craft work, partly because noone did who wasn't Scottish, and partly because they were Black and slaves, conversation. I said so, and was roundly ignored. But to leave the list about it seems over the top. I think anyone having that reaction is as hoity toity or off the deep end as the people who have been making these comments. If you take exception to them, why not just mildly say what is wrong with them, the way I did? And replace it with FACEBOOK? There's far more going on here than taking exception to a conversation. Some people would just rather be on Facebook. That's no reason to be on Facebook - let alone give the rest of us an attitude! Dora -----Original Message----- From: Fraser Forrest via Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 9:21 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House I agree - it's time to leave the list. Fraser Forrest On 7/27/2016 8:15 PM, mcdermottbrown via wrote: > Really, this site is allowing political talk?! So disappointing! To say > the least! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Cliff. Johnston via <lanark@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >> Maisie, unfortunately Michelle's speech was just another "Obama" >> rhetorical, slanted, wee bit of current black history. In another 50-100 >> years we may get an unbiased history of the White House written. >> Hopefully, by then there will be no need for bias by anyone... >> >> On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 1:12 PM, Maisie Egger via >> <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate >> Lego ‘buildings’ I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day >> stonemason or architect. >> >> Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral >> built in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human >> hands, minus modern construction aids. Pollution has changed the light >> sandstone into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the >> stonework can be cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh >> made of limestone which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the >> limestone disintegrating. >> >> Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? >> >> Maisie >> >> From: Iain McKenzie >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM >> To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House >> >> Maisie, >> >> >> I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was >> trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in >> granite quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went >> wherever the work was. >> >> >> I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very >> fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in >> London, Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. >> >> >> I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in >> large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Iain >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ >> >> Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in >> the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where >> they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite >> City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow >> and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. >> >> Maisie >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier >> message. 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Hi Maisie Familysearch.org has the record of the death of a girl named Elfrida BROWN who died at 5 Milner Road, Woodstock, Cape Town on 2 February 1905, aged 4 1/2 months. Her father was named Robert BROWN. The image of the death record may be viewed on the site. The record belongs to the collection titled: South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths 1895-1972, and the originals are held within The National Archives of South Africa. See: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5FL-DBF?i=144&wc=Q81G-CFS%3A139965001%2C140039601%3Fcc%3D1779109&cc=1779109 Rhoda -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger via Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:14 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Fw: ACCESS TO INFORMATION: ROBERT BROWN AND GEORGINA BROWN My grandparents left Glasgow for Cape Town, South Africa in the early 1900s. Two additional children were born there. I don’t have the year in which their quite young daughter died in Cape Town, but their son returned with the rest of the family to Glasgow around 1908, but died of scarlet fever in Ruchill Hospital around the age of four. My grandfather left the growing family in Cape Town while he sought his fortune in the gold mines in Johannesburg. My mother, at the age of 12, was sent back to Glasgow with her six-year-old brother in her care on the long sea voyage home, to stay with her grandmother in Glasgow until her mother left Cape Town the following year with the rest of the remaining children.

Jeanne, not a problem.  Some of us "old timers" to this list do get off topic on occasion, but if you'll bear with our wee idiosyncrasies from time to time you will find that there is no friendlier group, and we do get a lot of genealogy work accomplished - no noses in the air here ;-) On Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:00 AM, TwoSides22 via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: My sincere apologies.  I entered personal email addresses  in the Send To box and didn't realize it would go to the group.  As I  said, I do much more reading than posting.  And I agree, politics don't  belong here.  Jeanne   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Facebook is fine for instant answers but if your long lost 3rd cousin posted 6 months ago you'll be hard pushed to find it. Whereas rootsweb archives are searchable. Irene Sent from my iPad > On 28 Jul 2016, at 16:34, ruth.enns via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Leave the Lanark List? One has to appreciate, one of the characteristics of > Scottish People is their feistiness. > We have many learned people as members & to leave would be unfortunate to > miss out on their skills, wisdom, & guidance. > Politics, NO! Probe, YES! > > Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington via > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:27 AM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House > > I would have to disagree > > Its time those political comments were left off the list, thats all > > Discussion of Politics or Religion are subjects best kept off the lists > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 28-Jul-16 3:21 PM, Fraser Forrest via wrote: >> I agree - it's time to leave the list. >> >> Fraser Forrest > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A little OTT Joyce ? Your choice of course I am already on it and there is very little activity as on here Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28-Jul-16 3:32 PM, Joyce Pavelko via wrote: > I will be unsubscribing and moving to the Facebook list to discuss genealogy topics. If you would like to join me there, the address is: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Lanark/ > > Good-bye, > Joyce Pavelko > Chicago, IL

I would have to disagree Its time those political comments were left off the list, thats all Discussion of Politics or Religion are subjects best kept off the lists Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28-Jul-16 3:21 PM, Fraser Forrest via wrote: > I agree - it's time to leave the list. > > Fraser Forrest

I normally do not post however I do find it interesting that a comment from someone off-topic I agree has sent waves to this list. We are all proud of our heritage and perhaps it does not hurt to see what is going on in the rest of the world. My grandparents were from Scotland and two years ago I fulfilled my life long dream of going to Scotland. I met with many wonderful people who educated me on many things that I would not have known had I not gone to this little town. Upon returning home I was anxious to share my experiences with family and friends. It is a good day when I have learned something new or exchanged ideas with someone. I view this dialogue on the White House as another form of education. There have been times on this list when folks are posting, "where is everyone", or "is the list down". I intend to stay with the list, and yes upon occasion get a chuckle out of the antics of some but in the end it all comes full circle and genealogy becomes the main focus as it should. In keeping with genealogy my focus is in the Chalmers and Lennie families from Carluke. Heather Umelas in Canada

Ruth, you said it exactly right. Michelle's point can be seen as how remarkable or ironic it is, that a black family now works, lives and plays in a place as the first family, where slavery was used to create it. A compliment really to the country in how far they have all come. Someone said that the slaves were well fed and lodged. So are women in harems. But that is not freedom! I'm very proud of my Scottish family's history of stonemasons and builders. It produced a John Andrew Pearson, son of Isabella Reekie and John Pearson both originally from Kinrosshire. John A. became a well known architect and builder. He was responsible for the magnificent center block of Canada's Parliament Buildings among many other important buildings. Maybe not quite as well known were stonemasons, quarrymen in and around Fife and Kinrosshire. Not sure what kind of stone that they mined and worked with. Cheers to all - that's my bit! VIolet Sent from my iPad

James Mckay / MacKay, ( nephew of my McKay , Gt. Grandparents) , born 1861, Aberdeen, Scotland, was a Stone worker, with his wife Agnes ( Robertson) initially emigrated to Montreal, Canada area. 1884, he moved south to Barre, Vermont, USA, as a Granite worker, eventually became the City Clerk, and Treasurer. Died 1924. Mary New Zealand.

In our working class household (how we would have laughed at being referred to as middle class per American usage nowadays!), we subscribed to at least four daily newspapers, two in the morning, two evening editions, and then at least The Sunday Mail and always the ubiquitous Sunday Post as old and young kept up with the ongoings of Oor Wullie and The Broons...still going strong and as Christmas annuals/albums. As the following link indicates, as with so much else which has changed with lightning speed, the reading habits of Glasgow/Scottish readers have been changed over recent decades. The Bulletin was an easy read as it was heavily pictorial...and likely why my sister-in-law and I had our pictures taken on the beautiful marble staircase in Glasgow City Chambers, possibly around 1952. http://www.theglasgowstory.com/story/?id=TGSFB02 Maisie

Edward... should I say that perhaps I should thank your gg grandfather for perhaps providing the marble to construct the beautiful marble staircase for the background for a photograph In Glasgow City Chambers of me and my sister-in-law as ‘belles’ at a NALGO civic ball where we shook hands with the Lord Provost (either Lord Provost Sir Victor Warren or Thomas Kerr --- he wore white gloves when shaking hands with the “hordes!” I think it must have been Kerr as he was Labour and NALGO was a Glasgow government union to which my aunt, a Glasgow librarian employee, belonged). Why I remember the white gloves and not too much else about the ball I do not know. We did have our picture in the The Bulletin newspaper (now defunct, I believe) posing on the beautiful marble staircase. I sent the newspaper cutting to an erstwhile boyfriend, so there went my record that I had a few moments of fame for the whole of Glasgow to see. I mean, it’s no’ every day that a wee office lassie all done up in a full-length ball gown gets to shake hands with the Lord Provost (mayor) and has her photie taken for one of the important city newspapers. Maisie From: edward paxton Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:57 PM To: Maisie Egger ; mailto:lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Scots workers helped to build the White House Maisie You got me all excited when you had a link to a document about the marble in the City Chambers. My GG grandfather was a marble contractor in Glasgow, and there is a family story that he sent a ship to Italy each year to load up with the marble he needed, and that he worked on the City Chambers. We can find out no facts to confirm this. Mundell & McIntyre was the name of the firm. Regards On 28 July 2016 at 07:00, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Iain, you jogged my memory that a far-out cousin who now lives in Oregon was born and reared in Barre, Vermont where her Scottish forebears moved to from Dalbeattie to work as stonemasons in the granite quarries (in Vermont). On Dalbeattie: I visited there once when I was trying to track down an oil painting by my father’s uncle from Kirkcudbright. The antique business owner wanted £150 (a lot in 1980), but I declined at that price, and then he got me annoyed when he said that such an amount shouldn’t be anything to an ‘American’ --- me, a Glesga keelie! At the time, I was not aware that Dalbeattie was known for its granite quarries as such reference was never made of any buildings in Glasgow being built of granite. Some of the interior stonework of Glasgow City Chambers is marble, with alabaster fireplaces. https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1655&p=0 When considering redoing the kitchen counters with granite, the local businesses only had granite samples from Italy, not ‘homegrown’ Vermont granite. I do remember ‘chuckies’ or chucky stanes. I think the boys played games with the polished pieces of granite, sort of like ‘buttony,’ but memory fails me on this. We used polished pieces of granite when we played peever, or hopscotch as it is called in America. Maisie From: Iain McKenzie Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:29 AM To: Maisie Egger Cc: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House Hi Maisie, As far as I can discover, only one of the several quarries around Dalbeattie is still working, and that produces only granite aggregates (you may have known them as chuckies). That quarry is Craignar Hill quarry. There is a little about it at http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Mines/Dalbeattie-Granite-Quarry_15690/ If you enter Dalbeattie Quarry into Google you will see quite a few historical facts about the Dalbeattie quarries. Iain On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> wrote: My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate Lego ‘buildings’ I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day stonemason or architect. Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral built in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human hands, minus modern construction aids. Pollution has changed the light sandstone into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the stonework can be cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh made of limestone which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the limestone disintegrating. Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? Maisie From: Iain McKenzie Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House Maisie, I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the work was. I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. Regards, Iain On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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My sincere apologies. I entered personal email addresses in the Send To box and didn't realize it would go to the group. As I said, I do much more reading than posting. And I agree, politics don't belong here. Jeanne

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY: We are social creatures to the inmost centre of our being. The notion that one can begin anything at all from scratch, free from the past, or unindebted to others, could not conceivably be more wrong. -Karl Popper, philosopher and a professor (28 Jul 1902-1994) Or to phrase it in the braid Scots, “Dinnae fash yersel wi’ the passing scene.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Too bad that an innocuous comment by First Lady Michelle Obama about slaves building the White House resulted in a couple or so comments taking it to the next level of political criticism. I agree with others that it is an ’over the top’ reaction as this list and others offer so much more helpful information in our evergoing quest to fill in the jigsaw puzzle of our sometimes elusive forbears. By extension, just the mention of granite workers in Dalbeattie, reminded me of my far-out cousin’s granite worker relatives in Dalbeattie, thence to Vermont, that has now prompted me to revisit that side of my father’s ‘tree’ --- so forget about the overreaction to the mild political comments by a couple of listers---this is the primary focus of what this list is all about. My own biases: I do not care to spend any more time on Facebook as I think the rootsweb sites are more far-flung and productive. One can go all the way back to the beginnings of the Lanark Archives which began with one contributor to grow to well over 1,000 in one month, to reconnect with a helpful reference. Maisie

I agree - it's time to leave the list. Fraser Forrest On 7/27/2016 8:15 PM, mcdermottbrown via wrote: > Really, this site is allowing political talk?! So disappointing! To say the least! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Cliff. Johnston via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Maisie, unfortunately Michelle's speech was just another "Obama" rhetorical, slanted, wee bit of current black history. In another 50-100 years we may get an unbiased history of the White House written. Hopefully, by then there will be no need for bias by anyone... >> >> On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 1:12 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate Lego ‘buildings’ I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day stonemason or architect. >> >> Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral built in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human hands, minus modern construction aids. Pollution has changed the light sandstone into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the stonework can be cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh made of limestone which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the limestone disintegrating. >> >> Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? >> >> Maisie >> >> From: Iain McKenzie >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM >> To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House >> >> Maisie, >> >> >> I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the work was. >> >> >> I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. >> >> >> I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Iain >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ >> >> Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. >> >> Maisie >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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I will be unsubscribing and moving to the Facebook list to discuss genealogy topics. If you would like to join me there, the address is: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Lanark/ Good-bye, Joyce Pavelko Chicago, IL

Will the moderator please step in and reprimand people for expressing their political viewpoints on this list? Totally inappropriate and completely off-topic. I was reprimanded for asking a questions about Stirlingshire! My respect for this list is greatly diminished. Joyce Pavelko Chicago, IL

Leave the Lanark List? One has to appreciate, one of the characteristics of Scottish People is their feistiness. We have many learned people as members & to leave would be unfortunate to miss out on their skills, wisdom, & guidance. Politics, NO! Probe, YES! Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:27 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House I would have to disagree Its time those political comments were left off the list, thats all Discussion of Politics or Religion are subjects best kept off the lists Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28-Jul-16 3:21 PM, Fraser Forrest via wrote: > I agree - it's time to leave the list. > > Fraser Forrest ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maisie You got me all excited when you had a link to a document about the marble in the City Chambers. My GG grandfather was a marble contractor in Glasgow, and there is a family story that he sent a ship to Italy each year to load up with the marble he needed, and that he worked on the City Chambers. We can find out no facts to confirm this. Mundell & McIntyre was the name of the firm. Regards On 28 July 2016 at 07:00, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Iain, you jogged my memory that a far-out cousin who now lives in Oregon > was born and reared in Barre, Vermont where her Scottish forebears moved to > from Dalbeattie to work as stonemasons in the granite quarries (in Vermont). > > On Dalbeattie: I visited there once when I was trying to track down an > oil painting by my father’s uncle from Kirkcudbright. The antique business > owner wanted £150 (a lot in 1980), but I declined at that price, and then > he got me annoyed when he said that such an amount shouldn’t be anything to > an ‘American’ --- me, a Glesga keelie! At the time, I was not aware that > Dalbeattie was known for its granite quarries as such reference was never > made of any buildings in Glasgow being built of granite. > > Some of the interior stonework of Glasgow City Chambers is marble, with > alabaster fireplaces. > > https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1655&p=0 > > When considering redoing the kitchen counters with granite, the local > businesses only had granite samples from Italy, not ‘homegrown’ Vermont > granite. > > I do remember ‘chuckies’ or chucky stanes. I think the boys played games > with the polished pieces of granite, sort of like ‘buttony,’ but memory > fails me on this. We used polished pieces of granite when we played > peever, or hopscotch as it is called in America. > > Maisie > > > > From: Iain McKenzie > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:29 AM > To: Maisie Egger > Cc: LANARK@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House > > Hi Maisie, > > > As far as I can discover, only one of the several quarries around > Dalbeattie is still working, and that produces only granite aggregates (you > may have known them as chuckies). That quarry is Craignar Hill quarry. > > > There is a little about it at > http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Mines/Dalbeattie-Granite-Quarry_15690/ > > > If you enter Dalbeattie Quarry into Google you will see quite a few > historical facts about the Dalbeattie quarries. > > > Iain > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate > Lego ‘buildings’ I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day > stonemason or architect. > > Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral > built in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human > hands, minus modern construction aids. Pollution has changed the light > sandstone into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the stonework > can be cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh made of > limestone which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the limestone > disintegrating. > > Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? > > Maisie > > From: Iain McKenzie > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM > To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House > > Maisie, > > > I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was > trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite > quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the > work was. > > > I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very > fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, > Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. > > > I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in > large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. > > > Regards, > > > Iain > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ > > Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in > the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where > they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite > City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow > and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. 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One needs to keep in mind that Michelle Obama is on record as having said that she hated America before her husband got elected president.  Perhaps she has matured and evolved her position.  Time will tell. On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 8:02 PM, ruth.enns via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Unlike some of you, I did not know slaves had worked at building the White House, nor did I know what you are telling me about Scottish Craftsmen & stone.  I feel Michelle was just humbled to think as a black first lady, she had come a long way & was  part of  in the progression of  history of the U.S.A.  & was grateful for herself & her family!! She appeared modest to me. Ruth Enns Canada   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Iain, you jogged my memory that a far-out cousin who now lives in Oregon was born and reared in Barre, Vermont where her Scottish forebears moved to from Dalbeattie to work as stonemasons in the granite quarries (in Vermont). On Dalbeattie: I visited there once when I was trying to track down an oil painting by my father’s uncle from Kirkcudbright. The antique business owner wanted £150 (a lot in 1980), but I declined at that price, and then he got me annoyed when he said that such an amount shouldn’t be anything to an ‘American’ --- me, a Glesga keelie! At the time, I was not aware that Dalbeattie was known for its granite quarries as such reference was never made of any buildings in Glasgow being built of granite. Some of the interior stonework of Glasgow City Chambers is marble, with alabaster fireplaces. https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=1655&p=0 When considering redoing the kitchen counters with granite, the local businesses only had granite samples from Italy, not ‘homegrown’ Vermont granite. I do remember ‘chuckies’ or chucky stanes. I think the boys played games with the polished pieces of granite, sort of like ‘buttony,’ but memory fails me on this. We used polished pieces of granite when we played peever, or hopscotch as it is called in America. Maisie From: Iain McKenzie Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:29 AM To: Maisie Egger Cc: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House Hi Maisie, As far as I can discover, only one of the several quarries around Dalbeattie is still working, and that produces only granite aggregates (you may have known them as chuckies). That quarry is Craignar Hill quarry. There is a little about it at http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Mines/Dalbeattie-Granite-Quarry_15690/ If you enter Dalbeattie Quarry into Google you will see quite a few historical facts about the Dalbeattie quarries. Iain On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> wrote: My then five-year-old great-grandson could whip up the most intricate Lego ‘buildings’ I wonder if he has the makings of a present-day stonemason or architect. Just think about such as Glasgow (St. Kentigern/St. Mungo) Cathedral built in the 1100s, of blond(e) Glasgow sandstone stonework hewn by human hands, minus modern construction aids. Pollution has changed the light sandstone into a depressingly grey/black façade, but at least the stonework can be cleaned unlike some of the older buildings in Edinburgh made of limestone which cannot be cleaned because of the risk of the limestone disintegrating. Ian, are the granite quarries in Dalbeattie still viable? Maisie From: Iain McKenzie Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:56 PM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scots workers helped to build the White House Maisie, I corresponded for a while with a woman in Melbourne, Australia who was trying to trace her family of granite quarriers. They had worked in granite quarries in Dalbeattie and in Vermont. It seemed they went wherever the work was. I know the Roman Catholic cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia has a very fine granite spire, built using Aberdeen granite. Many buildings in London, Ontario are granite. They used a lot of Scottish masons. I think you might find that wherever granite was quarried, or used in large buildings, there were a lot of Scots involved. Regards, Iain On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/25/michelle-obama/michelle-obama-correct-white-house-was-built-slave/ Even ‘wee Scotland’ had a hand in building the most iconic building in the USA. I wonder which part of Scotland they might have come from where they might have plied their trade as stonemasons. Aberdeen, the Granite City, has many fine buildings built of granite, of course, whilst Glasgow and Edinburgh have many sandstone buildings. Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message