Is anyone researching the family of Thomas MAIR, born 1802 Lanark, and his wife Agnes BRYCE born 1801, Carnwath, Lanark . Known children Robert Logan bn 1836; Lanark; Thomas c 1841 . Robert married Mary Johnston 1861, at Wishaw , Cambusnethan, Lanark. Would love to hear from anyone researching these names. Mary

Maisie I noticed that the URL had been broken and continued on the next line. Patch it up together and it works! Jose Sent from my iPad > On 01 Aug 2016, at 05:09, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > 'Sorry Page Not Found' was all I got, Ken. > > Maisie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Harrison via > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:20 AM > To: Query Lanark > Subject: [Lanark] FW: The first colour photographs of Scotland - Travel > > Some interesting photographs here, from the Telegraph. > Cut and paste the url. > Photo 2 seems to be mis-named. > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/scotlan > d/galleries/first-colour-photographs-of-scotland/ > > > Ken Harrison > North Vancouver, Canada > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone researching the name CLUGGIE ? c 1889, James CLUGGIE and Margaret FORSYTH married , possibly Stow, Midlothian, Scotland. They show in Glasgow, where the following known children were born. Isabella Forsyth 1889; James 1898; Mattew 1901. There may have been misspellings, the name has also been spelt as CLUQQIE. James died 1933, from a Cardiac condition. Isabella married Robert BROWN 1912, in Stow. Matthew married Elizabeth GORDON 1929, Glasgow. Margaret Cluggie (Forsyth), died 1932, living at 133 Balmoral St., Glasgow The Mother of Margaret Forsyth was Janet DODDS, my 2 X Gt. Grandmother. Have been unable to find anything later than the above for the family. Did they emigrate ? Mary

Very well said on every level, Dora. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith via Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2016 11:31 PM To: Anne Burgess; Joyce Pavelko; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing This reply might have been intended to be positive, and might have thought a very short statement would get that across, but I really don't like the snippy tone. It didn't come across that the post was meant to be political, and the list owner probably didn't think so either. The correct response was never have the list owner eat who wrote it for dinner! We are human beings on this list and had better treat each other accordingly. That snippy tone makes it sound like the person who made the post is worthless and should forthwith be automatically dumped in the outer darkness by impersonal forces. I don't think so! Let he who has never committed the same sin cast the first stone! I think what it really was was subtle racism, so positively put that it got right by the listowner. It came across as Scottish pride, and it may have been meant to be Scottish pride - until you realized that, wait a minute, these people are first of all annoyed at Michelle Obama for existing, and second, annoyed at her saying Black slaves were even capable of sophisticated architecture and building (which they were and did), because they were worthless Black slaves, INSTEAD of that everything worthwhile in the U.S. Capitol was REALLY done by SCOTTISH people, which is not even a reasonable statement. I think that probably got past a lot of people. It has not come across that people are offended because they mentioned Michelle Obama's speech, though anything is possible. We are all racist, people. It's a racist society. We grew up in a racist society. We can't get around it. Often people don't even realize they said something racist, and the correct thing to do is not get them on the defensive. The person who said this clearly among other things did not think it through before saying it. In fact, Scottish and Irish people say this kind of outrageous boast all the time over big jugs of whiskey; it's part of the culture. The correct thing to do is mildly point it out, or correct it, like I did - hey, Black slaves were not worthless, they were competent architects and builders and craftsmen and many had a hand in building the Capital, and so did Swedes, Germans, and a lot of other people, not blow up and I'm leaving the list! Don't any of you watch those TV programs like "What would you do?" You handle racism by tactfully trying to get the person who said it to think about it. "I don't see it that way", or turn to the person spoken TO and say, "I'm sorry about her." Both make it clear that you don't agree, and set the matter straight, WITHOUT being confrontational. The kind of snittiness I am seeing is usually the WRONG thing to do. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess via Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:44 AM To: Joyce Pavelko ; lanark@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing I won't be unsubscribing meantime in order to allow time for the List Administrator to take action on political content. However if anyone does wish to unsubscribe, I can recommend http://www.rootschat.com/forum/lanarkshire/ as a good alternative. Anne From: Joyce Pavelko via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2016, 15:32 Subject: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing I will be unsubscribing and moving to the Facebook list to discuss genealogy topics. 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In some cultures, it is expected, in a formal speech, to acknowledge your Ancestors . I watched much of Michelle's speech, and took the piece currently under discussion to mean , that she had Ancestors , who happened to be Slaves , worked on the building that is now, her, Michelle's home. My own analogy is, I sometimes tell my Grandson he is stubborn, just like his Father, and Grandfather. They are all descended from 4 Transported Convicts, ( Scottish and English ), travelling in appalling conditions to Australia, over 50 years. Those Convicts had to be stubborn( and more), to survive. They must have produced thousands of descendants between them. We know that many of our line contributing very successfully in their communities, the Convict part happens to be just one aspect of our lives, in the way, that Slavery is one aspect of Michelle's life. Mary New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:54 AM To: ruth.enns <ruth.enns@shaw.ca>; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Unsubscribing? Ruth, What the heck is this all about? Does it have its genesis when I remarked that Michelle Obama commented on the White House being built by slaves, followed by my remark that she should perhaps have credited 'others' as being involved? I can't get on the Lanark Archives link to check just exactly what I did say. This Dora dame gets up my nose as she really expanded unnecessarily about Scots not being the only ones to be so important, or words to that effect. Others put a not so subtle political/racial slant on a simple remark. I'm not going to be bothered defending my post if that is what started this whole thing. People use any excuse to vent whatever is bothering them to make a big statement that they are going to unsubscribe. The ones recently have contributed nothing to the list, so sayonara! Maisie -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns via Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:30 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Unsubscribing? Why do these people need to be 'joined' in unsubscribing? It's a free Country, do as you please, with not so much ado about nothing. Fare thy well! Ruth in Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I have a big problem I need help with in Lanarkshire Glasgow. James Dobbie died 1916, WW1. I am researching to try and find a DNA match to identify him as he is possibly one of those found in the mass grave in France in 2008. I am looking for DNA on his mums side eg just like Richard lll. whaT i KNOW James dad, also James Dobbie was funeral director in Glasgow. We have tracked the Dobbie side. Its his mum's side we are chasing Mum was Catherine CARLIN 1837- 1875, I think died in Childbirth, I have to track her family. I believe her parents were William Carlin and Sarah Harrigan 1813-1873 possibly born Ireland and Sarah's parents were William Harrigan and Catherine Ha/eggarty. possibly born about Ireland. what I would like to know. Catherine Carlin had a sister Anne who married James Williamson 7 june 1859. I would dearly like to be able to track down what happens to this family. I think she had two boys James and Thomas, but did she have any girls?. Otherwise trying to expand the Carlin, Harrigan and Heggarty female lines if any. I would dearly love some help with this and directions to any resources. My sources so far have been Scotland's People. I have spent the money there for the registrations. cheers Marg O'Leary Assistant coordinator research Fromelles Association. -----Original Message----- From: TwoSides22 via Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 2:57 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Unsubscribing?

Hi Maisie You are getting an error as the link is broken over two lines Try <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/scotland/galleries/first-colour-photographs-of-scotland/> (to keep a url whole, enter a < before and an > after the url with no spaces) Or copy the whole url and paste into your browser Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01-Aug-16 4:09 AM, Maisie Egger via wrote: > 'Sorry Page Not Found' was all I got, Ken. > > Maisie > > Some interesting photographs here, from the Telegraph. > Cut and paste the url. > Photo 2 seems to be mis-named. > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/scotlan > d/galleries/first-colour-photographs-of-scotland/ > > > Ken Harrison > North Vancouver, Canada

Ken also explained, so I did get 'through' to enjoy the pics, especially the one of Dunoon. Thanks, Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 1:19 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] FW: The first colour photographs of Scotland - Travel Hi Maisie You are getting an error as the link is broken over two lines Try <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/scotland/galleries/first-colour-photographs-of-scotland/> (to keep a url whole, enter a < before and an > after the url with no spaces) Or copy the whole url and paste into your browser Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01-Aug-16 4:09 AM, Maisie Egger via wrote: > 'Sorry Page Not Found' was all I got, Ken. > > Maisie > > Some interesting photographs here, from the Telegraph. > Cut and paste the url. > Photo 2 seems to be mis-named. > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/scotlan > d/galleries/first-colour-photographs-of-scotland/ > > > Ken Harrison > North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Enough of this, it's time to let this go! Diane Sent from my iPad > On Jul 31, 2016, at 7:30 PM, nautakat via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Very well said on every level, Dora. > Kathryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dora Smith via > Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2016 11:31 PM > To: Anne Burgess; Joyce Pavelko; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing > > This reply might have been intended to be positive, and might have thought a > very short statement would get that across, but I really don't like the > snippy tone. > > It didn't come across that the post was meant to be political, and the list > owner probably didn't think so either. The correct response was never have > > the list owner eat who wrote it for dinner! > > We are human beings on this list and had better treat each other > accordingly. That snippy tone makes it sound like the person who made the > post is worthless and should forthwith be automatically dumped in the outer > darkness by impersonal forces. I don't think so! Let he who has never > committed the same sin cast the first stone! > > I think what it really was was subtle racism, so positively put that it got > right by the listowner. It came across as Scottish pride, and it may have > been meant to be Scottish pride - until you realized that, wait a minute, > these people are first of all annoyed at Michelle Obama for existing, and > second, annoyed at her saying Black slaves were even capable of > sophisticated architecture and building (which they were and did), because > they were worthless Black slaves, INSTEAD of that everything worthwhile in > the U.S. Capitol was REALLY done by SCOTTISH people, which is not even a > reasonable statement. > > I think that probably got past a lot of people. > > It has not come across that people are offended because they mentioned > Michelle Obama's speech, though anything is possible. > > We are all racist, people. It's a racist society. We grew up in a racist > society. We can't get around it. Often people don't even realize they > said something racist, and the correct thing to do is not get them on the > defensive. The person who said this clearly among other things did not > think it through before saying it. In fact, Scottish and Irish people say > this kind of outrageous boast all the time over big jugs of whiskey; it's > part of the culture. > > The correct thing to do is mildly point it out, or correct it, like I did - > hey, Black slaves were not worthless, they were competent architects and > builders and craftsmen and many had a hand in building the Capital, and so > did Swedes, Germans, and a lot of other people, not blow up and I'm leaving > the list! > > Don't any of you watch those TV programs like "What would you do?" You > handle racism by tactfully trying to get the person who said it to think > about it. "I don't see it that way", or turn to the person spoken TO and > say, "I'm sorry about her." Both make it clear that you don't agree, and > set the matter straight, WITHOUT being confrontational. > > The kind of snittiness I am seeing is usually the WRONG thing to do. > > Dora > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Burgess via > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:44 AM > To: Joyce Pavelko ; lanark@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing > > I won't be unsubscribing meantime in order to allow time for the List > Administrator to take action on political content. > > However if anyone does wish to unsubscribe, I can recommend > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/lanarkshire/ as a good alternative. > > Anne > > > > From: Joyce Pavelko via <lanark@rootsweb.com> > To: "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2016, 15:32 > Subject: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing > > I will be unsubscribing and moving to the Facebook list to discuss genealogy > topics. If you would like to join me there, the address is: > https://www.facebook.com/groups/Lanark/ > > Good-bye, > Joyce Pavelko > Chicago, IL > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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familysearch.org shows two female births for Thomas Williamson and Anne Carlin who married 7 June 1859 in Glasgow. Sarah b 18 Aug 1860 in High Church area of Glasgow Alice b 23 Aug 1862 in High Church area of Glasgow 1861 census in High Church shows Thomas, Ann and Sarah (8 months) 1871 census in Barony shows only Thomas, Ann and James (6 years) You should check scotlandspeople for the deaths of the girls to be sure they weren't simply living with other family members at the time of the census. Jo-Ann Croft On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:32 PM, marg o'leary via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Catherine Carlin had a sister Anne who married James Williamson 7 june > 1859. > > I would dearly like to be able to track down what happens to this family. I > think she had two boys James and Thomas, but did she have any girls?. > >

Hear, hear, Edward. -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of edward paxton via Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2016 7:56 PM To: Anne Burgess; <LANARK@rootsweb.com> Cc: Joyce Pavelko Subject: Re: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing All a bit of an over-reaction IMHO - if you don't like the content delete the email, and move on.... Life is way too short! Regards On 31 July 2016 at 10:44, Anne Burgess via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I won't be unsubscribing meantime in order to allow time for the List > Administrator to take action on political content. > > However if anyone does wish to unsubscribe, I can recommend > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/lanarkshire/ as a good alternative. > > Anne > > > > From: Joyce Pavelko via <lanark@rootsweb.com> > To: "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2016, 15:32 > Subject: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing > > I will be unsubscribing and moving to the Facebook list to discuss > genealogy topics. If you would like to join me there, the address is: > https://www.facebook.com/groups/Lanark/ > > Good-bye, > Joyce Pavelko > Chicago, IL > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click > on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click > on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- *Edward* ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

'Sorry Page Not Found' was all I got, Ken. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Ken Harrison via Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:20 AM To: Query Lanark Subject: [Lanark] FW: The first colour photographs of Scotland - Travel Some interesting photographs here, from the Telegraph. Cut and paste the url. Photo 2 seems to be mis-named. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/scotlan d/galleries/first-colour-photographs-of-scotland/ Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good analogy, Mary. To me, it sounds like this is what Michelle was saying. I don't begrudge her not including other groups because she was speaking her truth. Sorry about what happened to your ancestors. It had to be horrible for them. Ann Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2016, at 7:00 PM, Mary Legarth via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > In some cultures, it is expected, in a formal speech, to acknowledge your > Ancestors . I watched much of Michelle's speech, and took the piece > currently under discussion to mean , that she had Ancestors , who happened > to be Slaves , worked on the building that is now, her, Michelle's home. > > My own analogy is, I sometimes tell my Grandson he is stubborn, just like > his Father, and Grandfather. They are all descended from 4 Transported > Convicts, ( Scottish and English ), travelling in appalling conditions to > Australia, over 50 years. Those Convicts had to be stubborn( and more), > to survive. They must have produced thousands of descendants between them. > We know that many of our line contributing very successfully in their > communities, the Convict part happens to be just one aspect of our lives, in > the way, that Slavery is one aspect of Michelle's life. > > Mary > New Zealand > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maisie Egger via > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:54 AM > To: ruth.enns <ruth.enns@shaw.ca>; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Unsubscribing? > > Ruth, > > What the heck is this all about? Does it have its genesis when I remarked > that Michelle Obama commented on the White House being built by slaves, > followed by my remark that she should perhaps have credited 'others' as > being involved? I can't get on the Lanark Archives link to check just > exactly what I did say. > > This Dora dame gets up my nose as she really expanded unnecessarily about > Scots not being the only ones to be so important, or words to that effect. > Others put a not so subtle political/racial slant on a simple remark. I'm > not going to be bothered defending my post if that is what started this > whole thing. People use any excuse to vent whatever is bothering them to > make a big statement that they are going to unsubscribe. The ones recently > have contributed nothing to the list, so sayonara! > > Maisie > > -----Original Message----- > From: ruth.enns via > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:30 AM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Lanark] Unsubscribing? > > Why do these people need to be 'joined' in unsubscribing? > > It's a free Country, do as you please, with not so much ado about nothing. > > Fare thy well! > > Ruth in Canada > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Everyone I suggest we draw a line under this and move back to genealogy - see you on the other side (of the line) ;-) Edward On 31 July 2016 at 17:57, TwoSides22 via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Maisie, > > I don't think your post was the one that started this uproar. There was > absolutely nothing controversial about it. I believe the fault is mine. > I > have tried repeatedly to send an apology to the list, explaining that my > intention was for it to go to 3 people only, and that it was my mistake > that > caused it to go the whole list. I agree that religion and politics don't > belong on these lists. But as long as the discussion has gotten this far > from genealogy, I would like to be clear on one thing, and that is that my > opinion of Mrs. Obama is based on her ideology, not her color. > > Jeanne > > > > In a message dated 7/31/2016 11:56:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lanark@rootsweb.com writes: > > Ruth, > > What the heck is this all about? Does it have its genesis when I remarked > that Michelle Obama commented on the White House being built by slaves, > followed by my remark that she should perhaps have credited 'others' as > being involved? I can't get on the Lanark Archives link to check just > exactly what I did say. > > This Dora dame gets up my nose as she really expanded unnecessarily about > Scots not being the only ones to be so important, or words to that effect. > Others put a not so subtle political/racial slant on a simple remark. I'm > not going to be bothered defending my post if that is what started this > whole thing. People use any excuse to vent whatever is bothering them to > make a big statement that they are going to unsubscribe. The ones > recently > have contributed nothing to the list, so sayonara! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Edward*

and it will tell you Michelle Obama's lineage better than I can. Very Interesting. Amen. Topic over! Ruth CDN

https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-37879.html Any good? I didn't go down the whole article, however. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Mary Legarth via Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:08 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] CLUGGIE Is anyone researching the name CLUGGIE ? c 1889, James CLUGGIE and Margaret FORSYTH married , possibly Stow, Midlothian, Scotland. They show in Glasgow, where the following known children were born. Isabella Forsyth 1889; James 1898; Mattew 1901. There may have been misspellings, the name has also been spelt as CLUQQIE. James died 1933, from a Cardiac condition. Isabella married Robert BROWN 1912, in Stow. Matthew married Elizabeth GORDON 1929, Glasgow. Margaret Cluggie (Forsyth), died 1932, living at 133 Balmoral St., Glasgow The Mother of Margaret Forsyth was Janet DODDS, my 2 X Gt. Grandmother. Have been unable to find anything later than the above for the family. Did they emigrate ? Mary ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie The list archives are out of action for the time being and have been for a few weeks They are doing maintenance upgrading the servers Hopefully they will be back online soon Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31-Jul-16 4:44 PM, Maisie Egger via wrote: > > Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. > > Please contact the server administrator, root@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. > > More information about this error may be available in the server error log. > > Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Server at archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com Port 80 > > > This is the message I receive each time I try to click on to the Lanark Archives. How do I bypass it, please? Maisie

Hi All, Beautiful day out, why not all enjoy it. I agree with Edward.........let us just call it quits and leave the subject to rest in peace. Bob CDN

I think some Listers may have a mistaken view of how these Lists work. Whatever it was that is upsetting folk, it didn't 'get right by' the List Owner. The List Owner does not routinely have any opportunity to prevent a message reaching the List unless (s)he has already put it on Moderation. I am the List Owner of another Rootsweb List, and I don't get a preview of what is posted, so I can't block it, and I can't delete it afterwards. If I don't like the content of a message, I can tell the person who posted it that I think it was inappropriate. If they annoy me often enough I can block them sending anything to the List using the same e-mail address, and I can ask Rootsweb HQ to delete offending messages from the List archive, but not of course from other Listers' inboxes. I n the extreme case I could set the List to Moderation, which means that I would get a preview of every message, and would be able to block anything unsuitable. I don't want to do that, because it would be a real nuisance to have to keep up with it, and 99.99% of messages are perfectly inoffensive so it would be like using a sledgehammer to crack a small nut. So please don't hint that the List Owner was being lax! Anne From: Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> To: Anne Burgess <anne.listmail@btinternet.com>; Joyce Pavelko <joyce316@earthlink.net>; lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2016, 14:31 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing This reply might have been intended to be positive, and might have thought a very short statement would get that across, but I really don't like the snippy tone. It didn't come across that the post was meant to be political, and the list owner probably didn't think so either.  The correct response was never have the list owner eat who wrote it for dinner! We are human beings on this list and had better treat each other accordingly.  That snippy tone makes it sound like the person who made the post is worthless and should forthwith be automatically dumped in the outer darkness by impersonal forces.  I don't think so!  Let he who has never committed the same sin cast the first stone! I think what it really was was subtle racism, so positively put that it got right by the listowner.  It came across as Scottish pride, and it may have been meant to be Scottish pride - until you realized that, wait a minute, these people are first of all annoyed at Michelle Obama for existing, and second, annoyed at her saying Black slaves were even capable of sophisticated architecture and building (which they were and did), because they were worthless Black slaves, INSTEAD of that everything worthwhile in the U.S. Capitol was REALLY done by SCOTTISH people, which is not even a reasonable statement. I think that probably got past a lot of people. It has not come across that people are offended because they mentioned Michelle Obama's speech, though anything is possible. We are all racist, people.  It's a racist society.  We grew up in a racist society.  We can't get around it.  Often people don't even realize they said something racist, and the correct thing to do is not get them on the defensive.  The person who said this clearly among other things did not think it through before saying it.  In fact, Scottish and Irish people say this kind of outrageous boast all the time over big jugs of whiskey; it's part of the culture. The correct thing to do is mildly point it out, or correct it, like I did - hey, Black slaves were not worthless, they were competent architects and builders and craftsmen and many had a hand in building the Capital, and so did Swedes, Germans, and a lot of other people, not blow up and I'm leaving the list! Don't any of you watch those TV programs like "What would you do?"  You handle racism by tactfully trying to get the person who said it to think about it.  "I don't see it that way", or turn to the person spoken TO and say, "I'm sorry about her."  Both make it clear that you don't agree, and set the matter straight, WITHOUT being confrontational. The kind of snittiness I am seeing is usually the WRONG thing to do. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess via Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:44 AM To: Joyce Pavelko ; lanark@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing I won't be unsubscribing meantime in order to allow time for the List Administrator to take action on political content. However if anyone does wish to unsubscribe, I can recommend http://www.rootschat.com/forum/lanarkshire/ as a good alternative. Anne       From: Joyce Pavelko via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2016, 15:32 Subject: [Lanark] Please join me in unsubscribing I will be unsubscribing and moving to the Facebook list to discuss genealogy topics. If you would like to join me there, the address is: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Lanark/ Good-bye, Joyce Pavelko Chicago, IL ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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Maisie, I don't think your post was the one that started this uproar. There was absolutely nothing controversial about it. I believe the fault is mine. I have tried repeatedly to send an apology to the list, explaining that my intention was for it to go to 3 people only, and that it was my mistake that caused it to go the whole list. I agree that religion and politics don't belong on these lists. But as long as the discussion has gotten this far from genealogy, I would like to be clear on one thing, and that is that my opinion of Mrs. Obama is based on her ideology, not her color. Jeanne In a message dated 7/31/2016 11:56:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lanark@rootsweb.com writes: Ruth, What the heck is this all about? Does it have its genesis when I remarked that Michelle Obama commented on the White House being built by slaves, followed by my remark that she should perhaps have credited 'others' as being involved? I can't get on the Lanark Archives link to check just exactly what I did say. This Dora dame gets up my nose as she really expanded unnecessarily about Scots not being the only ones to be so important, or words to that effect. Others put a not so subtle political/racial slant on a simple remark. I'm not going to be bothered defending my post if that is what started this whole thing. People use any excuse to vent whatever is bothering them to make a big statement that they are going to unsubscribe. The ones recently have contributed nothing to the list, so sayonara! Maisie