Hi Susan re synching I wasn't sure so asked someone who would I asked if you needed to have a subscription to Synch to Ancestry, the answer was no, the tree and synching is free However you would require FTM2017 when its released, as all others (FTM2012 & FTM2014 & FTM2014.1) are now turned off So you can synch to Ancestry and set your tree as you wish (private, hidden or public) without a sub, any records you add would remain available, any records subsequently attached to your tree that were Ancestry records would not be viewable on Ancestry without a sub, but if on your computer would remain viewable there The advantage to synching is it means anything altered on Ancestry or your own FTM on your computer can be synched to reflect the change in the opposite number Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14-Apr-17 8:12 AM, Susan Hamilton wrote: > Thanks Max, Ancestry is too expensive for me and I have just let my Find My > Past lapse also. Most of my research is in England and Australia and I have > found FMP is a good option. I will renew probably when they have a special. > I only have my tree on my computer with back up so still thinking about the > sync option. > Sue

I would check with your local public library for a subscription to Ancestry. I'm in southwest Florida where we have access to Ancestry through our library. All it requires is a library card to be able to sign in to Ancestry, an make use of it. Our library card is free to local citizens. I'm anxiously waiting for my copy of FTM 2017, to learn the syncing capabilities. I know there will be changes, but changes are good. Hope this helps. Jeannette On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:12 AM, Susan Hamilton <rmshamilton@bigpond.com> wrote: > Thanks Max, Ancestry is too expensive for me and I have just let my Find My > Past lapse also. Most of my research is in England and Australia and I have > found FMP is a good option. I will renew probably when they have a special. > I only have my tree on my computer with back up so still thinking about the > sync option. > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+rmshamilton=bigpond.com@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Stephen Maxwell > Sent: Friday, 14 April 2017 4:27 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Query Re FTM 2017 > > I like the sync function because data that I add to my trees on Ancestry.ca > are automatically downloaded to my local trees in FTM. If you don't use > ancestry.com then there is no advantage to it, because it only works with > a > subscription. Now if you want to save yourself a bunch of duplicate typing > after searching various sites for data, you may want to get a membership to > Ancestry. It is rather expensive though. I have the world membership > (because most of my ancestor research is overseas from Canada) so I pay > $39.99 per month. I ran out of research on Ancestry.ca after about a month > at $19.99 and had to get the world membership. > > Max... > > On 2017-03-29 6:15 PM, Susan Hamilton wrote: > > Good morning Listers, > > > > I have been using 2014 FTM since upgrading a couple of years ago but I > > have never used the sync function. I do not have an Ancestry > > subscription so my question is: what are the advantages and/or > > disadvantages of using the sync function and do I need an Ancestry > > subscription to use it? Maybe then I can decide whether to upgrade to the > 2017 version. > > > > I would be most grateful for your views. > > > > Thanks > > > > Susan > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I like the sync function because data that I add to my trees on Ancestry.ca are automatically downloaded to my local trees in FTM. If you don't use ancestry.com then there is no advantage to it, because it only works with a subscription. Now if you want to save yourself a bunch of duplicate typing after searching various sites for data, you may want to get a membership to Ancestry. It is rather expensive though. I have the world membership (because most of my ancestor research is overseas from Canada) so I pay $39.99 per month. I ran out of research on Ancestry.ca after about a month at $19.99 and had to get the world membership. Max... On 2017-03-29 6:15 PM, Susan Hamilton wrote: > Good morning Listers, > > I have been using 2014 FTM since upgrading a couple of years ago but I have > never used the sync function. I do not have an Ancestry subscription so my > question is: what are the advantages and/or disadvantages of using the sync > function and do I need an Ancestry subscription to use it? Maybe then I can > decide whether to upgrade to the 2017 version. > > I would be most grateful for your views. > > Thanks > > Susan > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a related question. The marriage register for my 3X great-grandparents (in Islay) reads as follows: "from Kildalton OPR: Marriage register 1816: Janr 27: "Duncan MacNab a young man, and Grace macVoran a young woman, both in this parish, booked for marriage, married 31st" I could speculate on the correct meaning of "young" but would appreciate advice from other Listers with knowledge about this. I have seen similar notes in other OPRs. I have not been able to locate baptism records for either of these persons, but from the censuses of 1841 & 1851 Duncan appears to have been about 19 or 20 at marriage, and Grace about 24 or 25. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+kenharrison43=shaw.ca@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:35 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Full age bachelor or spinster meaning You would probably get a more authoritative answer to these questions on an English, Welsh or Irish mailing list. Mothers were listed on Scottish marriage certificates from the start of civil registration in 1855. Before that, it was unusual for the father of a bride or groom to be named in the record of proclamation of banns, and almost unheard of for the mother of the bride or groom to be named. English, Welsh and as far as I know Irish marriage certificates still do not name the mother of the bride or groom. The term 'full age' does not occur on Scottish marriage certificates, which always give an actual age, or in pre-1855 records of proclamation of banns, which don't give any indication of age. As the records you refer to are church records, so it was church policy. Anne From: Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 8 April 2017, 17:58 Subject: [Lanark] Full age bachelor or spinster meaning Question to those who dig into such:  were the mothers of children consistently left off legal Scottish documents at a certain time also? This is the case in a list of marriages in the 1st Ballynahatty Presbyterian church in Count Tyrone, (N.) Ireland. Also, usually the  couples being married  are referred to as ‘full age bachelor’ or ‘full age spinster.’  In other entries both parties ages are noted, with one couple as young as 18.  What does “full age” mean? Nowhere, in any of the entries, 1845--, are the mothers of the brides and grooms named, only the fathers, to repeat. Was it church policy or the ‘state’ that determined that the mothers’ names should be left off such lists? (Not wishing to be political---not much!---women in the USA are still not on a parity with men, with men still dictating to women....though men numerically are  in the minority.) As an aside, William seems to have been a favourite first name.  Anything to do with William of Orange/Protestant faith to that region? Maisie http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/ballynahatty.html ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne I haven't heard back from Maisie but understood "full age" was found in marriages in Ireland 1845 And although Church records they were set out under civil registration I have never found full age in parish records outside of those under civil registration Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-Apr-17 9:34 AM, Anne Burgess wrote: > You would probably get a more authoritative answer to these questions > on an English, Welsh or Irish mailing list. Mothers were listed on > Scottish marriage certificates from the start of civil registration > in 1855. Before that, it was unusual for the father of a bride or > groom to be named in the record of proclamation of banns, and almost > unheard of for the mother of the bride or groom to be named. English, > Welsh and as far as I know Irish marriage certificates still do not > name the mother of the bride or groom. The term 'full age' does not > occur on Scottish marriage certificates, which always give an actual > age, or in pre-1855 records of proclamation of banns, which don't > give any indication of age. > > As the records you refer to are church records, so it was church > policy. > > Anne

You would probably get a more authoritative answer to these questions on an English, Welsh or Irish mailing list. Mothers were listed on Scottish marriage certificates from the start of civil registration in 1855. Before that, it was unusual for the father of a bride or groom to be named in the record of proclamation of banns, and almost unheard of for the mother of the bride or groom to be named. English, Welsh and as far as I know Irish marriage certificates still do not name the mother of the bride or groom. The term 'full age' does not occur on Scottish marriage certificates, which always give an actual age, or in pre-1855 records of proclamation of banns, which don't give any indication of age. As the records you refer to are church records, so it was church policy. Anne From: Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 8 April 2017, 17:58 Subject: [Lanark] Full age bachelor or spinster meaning Question to those who dig into such:  were the mothers of children consistently left off legal Scottish documents at a certain time also? This is the case in a list of marriages in the 1st Ballynahatty Presbyterian church in Count Tyrone, (N.) Ireland. Also, usually the  couples being married  are referred to as ‘full age bachelor’ or ‘full age spinster.’  In other entries both parties ages are noted, with one couple as young as 18.  What does “full age” mean? Nowhere, in any of the entries, 1845--, are the mothers of the brides and grooms named, only the fathers, to repeat. Was it church policy or the ‘state’ that determined that the mothers’ names should be left off such lists? (Not wishing to be political---not much!---women in the USA are still not on a parity with men, with men still dictating to women....though men numerically are  in the minority.) As an aside, William seems to have been a favourite first name.  Anything to do with William of Orange/Protestant faith to that region? Maisie http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/ballynahatty.html ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie I presume you are referring to non Catholic marriages in Ireland, which were the first part of civil registration in Ireland in 1845 These are civil registrations, and called for the groom & brides name, age, condition, occupation, residence, fathers name and his occupation Whether by banns or licence and where and by whom the marriage was conducted plus at least two witnesses (who didn't need to be a relative or friend) mothers were and are not recorded Women were considered to be in effect the property of the man back then It was the same information collected in England & Wales from mid 1837 Full age as others have said means they were taken to be 21 or more (it doesn't prove they were, only that they were believed to be) It is no different right up to the current time but there are now moves afoot to alter the system and do away with paper recording That is the marriage details will be recorded in a central database including the mothers details, certificates will still be given on the day to the happy couple but any subsequent copy would be from the computer database This will be seen by many (and you no doubt) as a step forward, but has given them (the government) the opportunity to do away with paper copies as we have become used to (the excuse being cost of new registers), whether there will be a way of obtaining a "local" copy from the church or registry office I couldn't say but suspect they are trying to get away from that due to cost cutting As far as church policy was concerned, it depends upon the country and the changes that came in over time as to what was recorded but by and large until civil registration started, parents were not recorded at all unless they stood as a bondsman or signed for a licence if underage, they might have stood as a witness but in my experience siblings more often did that if they were related at all, witnesses relationship were not recorded so even if the name was correct you can't be sure its a father, uncle, brother or cousin or just someone with the same name I have seen a mother named on an English marriage certificate perhaps twice, where one party getting married was illegitimate and gave their mothers name, more often in that case they invented a father and occupation for him Scotland as you know was ahead of the game when they started civil registration in 1855 (as far as detail is concerned) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08-Apr-17 5:57 PM, Maisie Egger wrote: > Question to those who dig into such: were the mothers of children > consistently left off legal Scottish documents at a certain time > also? This is the case in a list of marriages in the 1st Ballynahatty > Presbyterian church in Count Tyrone, (N.) Ireland. > > Also, usually the couples being married are referred to as ‘full > age bachelor’ or ‘full age spinster.’ In other entries both parties > ages are noted, with one couple as young as 18. What does “full > age” mean? > > Nowhere, in any of the entries, 1845--, are the mothers of the brides > and grooms named, only the fathers, to repeat. Was it church policy > or the ‘state’ that determined that the mothers’ names should be left > off such lists? > > (Not wishing to be political---not much!---women in the USA are still > not on a parity with men, with men still dictating to women....though > men numerically are in the minority.) > > As an aside, William seems to have been a favourite first name. > Anything to do with William of Orange/Protestant faith to that > region? > > Maisie

Full age means 21 or older. I suspect whether or not the mother was named was at the whim of the person who wrote the entries....maybe it was easier just to remember the father's name. Sent from my iPad > On 8 Apr 2017, at 18:21, Nancy Christie <sewmom@earthlink.net> wrote: > > In my experience, anything earlier than 1850 you’re lucky to get a father’s name let alone a mother’s name. My research is mostly Scotland US and Canada. I’ve researched Ireland but have never found a single document or census that helps so I don’t know what their format is. > Nancy in Wy > > >> On Apr 8, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> Question to those who dig into such: were the mothers of children consistently left off legal Scottish documents at a certain time also? >> This is the case in a list of marriages in the 1st Ballynahatty Presbyterian church in Count Tyrone, (N.) Ireland. >> >> Also, usually the couples being married are referred to as ‘full age bachelor’ or ‘full age spinster.’ In other entries both parties ages are noted, with one couple as young as 18. What does “full age” mean? >> >> Nowhere, in any of the entries, 1845--, are the mothers of the brides and grooms named, only the fathers, to repeat. Was it church policy or the ‘state’ that determined that the mothers’ names should be left off such lists? >> >> (Not wishing to be political---not much!---women in the USA are still not on a parity with men, with men still dictating to women....though men numerically are in the minority.) >> >> As an aside, William seems to have been a favourite first name. Anything to do with William of Orange/Protestant faith to that region? >> >> Maisie >> >> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/ballynahatty.html >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my experience, anything earlier than 1850 you’re lucky to get a father’s name let alone a mother’s name. My research is mostly Scotland US and Canada. I’ve researched Ireland but have never found a single document or census that helps so I don’t know what their format is. Nancy in Wy > On Apr 8, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Question to those who dig into such: were the mothers of children consistently left off legal Scottish documents at a certain time also? > This is the case in a list of marriages in the 1st Ballynahatty Presbyterian church in Count Tyrone, (N.) Ireland. > > Also, usually the couples being married are referred to as ‘full age bachelor’ or ‘full age spinster.’ In other entries both parties ages are noted, with one couple as young as 18. What does “full age” mean? > > Nowhere, in any of the entries, 1845--, are the mothers of the brides and grooms named, only the fathers, to repeat. Was it church policy or the ‘state’ that determined that the mothers’ names should be left off such lists? > > (Not wishing to be political---not much!---women in the USA are still not on a parity with men, with men still dictating to women....though men numerically are in the minority.) > > As an aside, William seems to have been a favourite first name. Anything to do with William of Orange/Protestant faith to that region? > > Maisie > > http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/ballynahatty.html >

Question to those who dig into such: were the mothers of children consistently left off legal Scottish documents at a certain time also? This is the case in a list of marriages in the 1st Ballynahatty Presbyterian church in Count Tyrone, (N.) Ireland. Also, usually the couples being married are referred to as ‘full age bachelor’ or ‘full age spinster.’ In other entries both parties ages are noted, with one couple as young as 18. What does “full age” mean? Nowhere, in any of the entries, 1845--, are the mothers of the brides and grooms named, only the fathers, to repeat. Was it church policy or the ‘state’ that determined that the mothers’ names should be left off such lists? (Not wishing to be political---not much!---women in the USA are still not on a parity with men, with men still dictating to women....though men numerically are in the minority.) As an aside, William seems to have been a favourite first name. Anything to do with William of Orange/Protestant faith to that region? Maisie http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/ballynahatty.html

Finally catching up with the emails. Thank you for all the replies, Jim and Nivard and the information about the syncing and 2017 version of FTM. I will have to give some thought to the newer version. Thanks again Susan

I use Legacy Family Tree [ after shifting from FTM] I do not have a an Ancestry account. I save my Legacy data file to a dropbox folder on my hard drive which is synchronised to my Dropbox account in the cloud. This then synchronises to both a laptop and touchpad. I do keep my media files to a minimum [ I have them backed up too :) ] so I don't have trouble with my data limit with my provider [ only 15G per month - I live in a rural area] My Dropbox account is a free one and I still have lots of space even though I have several different family files saved and the odd backup in case of a glitch sometime. I also have online trees at Tribal pages but disadvantage there is that I have to manually update it. I am sure that FTM data could be stored in a similar way. I hope this helps Susan. Judy Qld Australia where she is drying out.

----- Original Message ----- Hi Maisie, The Sync function is there to allow your Family Tree Maker and Ancestry.com files to sync each other, and that's all it does. It's important to me, but may not be useful for others. It just depends on how you use it and if you want to keep the databases there in sync with each other. I believe that rootsmagic has an equivalent function with Ancestry. Jim For the totally inept computer uer, and such as all the upgrades on FTM...what exactly does this sync feature mean? That past versions of FTM can be synchronised with more updatedversions? Away back at the time of the flood the 2004 FTM was not compatble with the 2007, as I recall, Is this sync term you are alluding to, Jim? Maisie -----Original Message----- From: jbundy48@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:22 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 32 HI, I rely on the sync feature a lot, as 1 part of my efforts to prevent important data loss. The sync feature is for Family Tree Maker and Ancestry, plus Rootsmagic and Ancestry only. I do some of my work on FTM and some on Ancestry, update copies onto my outboard hard drive, and copies to my family. My brother recommends that I upload to the cloud also. I'm checking that out. It works well for me, and since Mac Kiev came out with version 14.1 I've never had a hiccup on the sync feature since installing the new version. Now I'm waiting for the download of version 17 to become available (says it will be ready tomorrow). I'll have one heck of a sync to do by then. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: lanark-request@rootsweb.com To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:00:14 AM Subject: LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 32 1. Query Re FTM 2017 (Susan Hamilton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 08:15:23 +1000 From: Susan Hamilton <rmshamilton@bigpond.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Lanark] Query Re FTM 2017 Message-ID: <000001d2a8d9$f6369eb0$e2a3dc10$@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good morning Listers, I have been using 2014 FTM since upgrading a couple of years ago but I have never used the sync function. I do not have an Ancestry subscription so my question is: what are the advantages and/or disadvantages of using the sync function and do I need an Ancestry subscription to use it? Maybe then I can decide whether to upgrade to the 2017 version. I would be most grateful for your views. Thanks Susan ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:30:19 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 32 Message-ID: <f3c92033-2507-ba18-e6fd-4d00465c4fd5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Hi Maisie The synch function started in FTM2012, then FTM2014 It synchronises between a home computer with FTM2012 or 2014 on it and Ancestry So anything you change on the home computer OR on Ancestry will be reflected in its opposite number Nothing to do with earlier versions at all or their compatibility with each other Once FTM2017 is launched (imminently) the other versions will cease to synch and the only version that will, is the latest FTM2017 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30-Mar-17 10:22 PM, Maisie Egger wrote: > For the totally inept computer uer, and such as all the upgrades on > FTM...what exactly does this sync feature mean? That past versions of > FTM can be synchronised with more updatedversions? Away back at the > time of the flood the 2004 FTM was not compatble with the 2007, as I > recall, Is this sync term you are alluding to, Jim? > > Maisie ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the LANARK list administrator, send an email to LANARK-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LANARK mailing list, send an email to LANARK@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 33 **************************************

Hi Maisie The synch function started in FTM2012, then FTM2014 It synchronises between a home computer with FTM2012 or 2014 on it and Ancestry So anything you change on the home computer OR on Ancestry will be reflected in its opposite number Nothing to do with earlier versions at all or their compatibility with each other Once FTM2017 is launched (imminently) the other versions will cease to synch and the only version that will, is the latest FTM2017 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30-Mar-17 10:22 PM, Maisie Egger wrote: > For the totally inept computer uer, and such as all the upgrades on > FTM...what exactly does this sync feature mean? That past versions of > FTM can be synchronised with more updatedversions? Away back at the > time of the flood the 2004 FTM was not compatble with the 2007, as I > recall, Is this sync term you are alluding to, Jim? > > Maisie

HI, I rely on the sync feature a lot, as 1 part of my efforts to prevent important data loss. The sync feature is for Family Tree Maker and Ancestry, plus Rootsmagic and Ancestry only. I do some of my work on FTM and some on Ancestry, update copies onto my outboard hard drive, and copies to my family. My brother recommends that I upload to the cloud also. I'm checking that out. It works well for me, and since Mac Kiev came out with version 14.1 I've never had a hiccup on the sync feature since installing the new version. Now I'm waiting for the download of version 17 to become available (says it will be ready tomorrow). I'll have one heck of a sync to do by then. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: lanark-request@rootsweb.com To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:00:14 AM Subject: LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 32 1. Query Re FTM 2017 (Susan Hamilton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 08:15:23 +1000 From: Susan Hamilton <rmshamilton@bigpond.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Lanark] Query Re FTM 2017 Message-ID: <000001d2a8d9$f6369eb0$e2a3dc10$@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good morning Listers, I have been using 2014 FTM since upgrading a couple of years ago but I have never used the sync function. I do not have an Ancestry subscription so my question is: what are the advantages and/or disadvantages of using the sync function and do I need an Ancestry subscription to use it? Maybe then I can decide whether to upgrade to the 2017 version. I would be most grateful for your views. Thanks Susan

Got it, Nivard! Electronic life is too complicated for this feeble brain so I think I'll just stick with the two FTM years I have, 2009 and 2012. I installed the 2012 as backup but did nothing with it. It's just 'there' on the computer. I need someone to come and put all the FTM 2009 on a disk and that will be my 'insurance.' Thank you, Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 2:30 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 32 Hi Maisie The synch function started in FTM2012, then FTM2014 It synchronises between a home computer with FTM2012 or 2014 on it and Ancestry So anything you change on the home computer OR on Ancestry will be reflected in its opposite number Nothing to do with earlier versions at all or their compatibility with each other Once FTM2017 is launched (imminently) the other versions will cease to synch and the only version that will, is the latest FTM2017 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30-Mar-17 10:22 PM, Maisie Egger wrote: > For the totally inept computer uer, and such as all the upgrades on > FTM...what exactly does this sync feature mean? That past versions of > FTM can be synchronised with more updatedversions? Away back at the > time of the flood the 2004 FTM was not compatble with the 2007, as I > recall, Is this sync term you are alluding to, Jim? > > Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For the totally inept computer uer, and such as all the upgrades on FTM...what exactly does this sync feature mean? That past versions of FTM can be synchronised with more updatedversions? Away back at the time of the flood the 2004 FTM was not compatble with the 2007, as I recall, Is this sync term you are alluding to, Jim? Maisie -----Original Message----- From: jbundy48@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:22 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 32 HI, I rely on the sync feature a lot, as 1 part of my efforts to prevent important data loss. The sync feature is for Family Tree Maker and Ancestry, plus Rootsmagic and Ancestry only. I do some of my work on FTM and some on Ancestry, update copies onto my outboard hard drive, and copies to my family. My brother recommends that I upload to the cloud also. I'm checking that out. It works well for me, and since Mac Kiev came out with version 14.1 I've never had a hiccup on the sync feature since installing the new version. Now I'm waiting for the download of version 17 to become available (says it will be ready tomorrow). I'll have one heck of a sync to do by then. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: lanark-request@rootsweb.com To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:00:14 AM Subject: LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 32 1. Query Re FTM 2017 (Susan Hamilton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 08:15:23 +1000 From: Susan Hamilton <rmshamilton@bigpond.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Lanark] Query Re FTM 2017 Message-ID: <000001d2a8d9$f6369eb0$e2a3dc10$@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good morning Listers, I have been using 2014 FTM since upgrading a couple of years ago but I have never used the sync function. I do not have an Ancestry subscription so my question is: what are the advantages and/or disadvantages of using the sync function and do I need an Ancestry subscription to use it? Maybe then I can decide whether to upgrade to the 2017 version. I would be most grateful for your views. Thanks Susan ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan Generally speaking its wise to move to the latest version of any software, although sometimes there is a definite need to do so But if your present software works, its likely to continue to do so for as long as you require it to (changes of hardware or complete failures aside) You do not need an Ancestry subscription to use FTM2017 The advantage of FTM2017 is that it will be the only version to synch with Ancestry, but as you don't use that facility it would not help you, its been said that shaky leaves will also stop in older versions but am unsure if that is completely true until it happens (not that I use them myself) I suspect they mean the shaky leaves won't work in other versions of FTM as they won't synch Apart from that its a matter of the latest version being likely to be the most stable and glitch free and will be supported better The only other consideration is its going to be cheaper to upgrade to FTM2017 now rather than later So if your present FTM2014 works & does what you require of it, I can see no great reason to upgrade =============== The advantage of the synch function is it enables you to make changes in FTM on your computer or on Ancestry and by synching reflect that change in the opposite You don't need to use the synch function to have a tree on Ancestry it just makes it easier to add or update from your computer(s) or online without having to manually do both Trees can be shared with others without their having software or a subscription (in its basic form) , Ancestry trees can be set to be public (anyone can see and copy any part of it) private searchable (any hit in your tree only gives the basic information to the finder, to get more they would need to contact you) and private hidden (your tree is totally excluded from other users searches in Ancestry) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29-Mar-17 11:15 PM, Susan Hamilton wrote: > Good morning Listers, > > I have been using 2014 FTM since upgrading a couple of years ago but I have > never used the sync function. I do not have an Ancestry subscription so my > question is: what are the advantages and/or disadvantages of using the sync > function and do I need an Ancestry subscription to use it? Maybe then I can > decide whether to upgrade to the 2017 version. > > I would be most grateful for your views. > > Thanks > > Susan

Good morning Listers, I have been using 2014 FTM since upgrading a couple of years ago but I have never used the sync function. I do not have an Ancestry subscription so my question is: what are the advantages and/or disadvantages of using the sync function and do I need an Ancestry subscription to use it? Maybe then I can decide whether to upgrade to the 2017 version. I would be most grateful for your views. Thanks Susan

Good morning to one and all. When the email from FTM arrived I saw the critical issue for me (and maybe it's that for myself alone) was the loss of a tree sync function if I stayed on 2014. If I moved to 2017 I'd get a new sync function built for 2017 only. Given my file now has 9900+ persons, and I've spent 19 years working on it, I can't afford to take chances. In my situation (which could be very different than others) I chose to move to 2017. I considered Roots Magic and Family Tree (associated with Family Search), and decided I didn't go through another complete learning curve. Another factor in my decision is how well MacKiev (new FTM owner) their 2014.1 release worked for me, including far less error situations. So, just my 2 bits and what I experienced. Jim , ----- Original Message ----- From: lanark-request@rootsweb.com To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:00:16 AM Subject: LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 30 Send LANARK mailing list submissions to lanark@rootsweb.com