Yes, as a matter of fact. If you look at Scotland in Google Earth, you will quickly notice that the south is lowland and the north is mountains. The lowland belt extends from about northern ayrshire in the west to the border of Perth in the east. It's a very sharp line. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn and Bill Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 6:16 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a hierarchy > of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan’ names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a ‘clan structure,’ per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father’s side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother’s side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we say, > when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, as > this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few generations > back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father’s or McDougall on my mother’s side? > > As for me, myself and I? I’m just Glesga...though transplanted to Canada > and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe (who died > January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. German, Austrian > has been difficult to trace, so it’s no wonder many from this side of the > pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Maisie, I just read this. I"m so sorry for the loss of your dear husband. My deepest sympathy. Sincerely, Ann Ann On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan’ names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a ‘clan structure,’ per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father’s side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother’s side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we say, > when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, as > this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few generations > back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father’s or McDougall on my mother’s side? > > As for me, myself and I? I’m just Glesga...though transplanted to Canada > and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe (who died > January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. German, Austrian > has been difficult to trace, so it’s no wonder many from this side of the > pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a hierarchy of clans. Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith family? When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. My family had a mere smattering of Hielan’ names, McLean, McDougall and Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a ‘clan structure,’ per se. The rest of my family names, particularly on my father’s side, were Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. My mother’s side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? McLean on my father’s or McDougall on my mother’s side? As for me, myself and I? I’m just Glesga...though transplanted to Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it’s no wonder many from this side of the pond just call themselves American. Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aristocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a hierarchy > of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan’ names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a ‘clan structure,’ per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father’s side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother’s side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we say, > when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, as > this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few generations > back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father’s or McDougall on my mother’s side? > > As for me, myself and I? I’m just Glesga...though transplanted to Canada > and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe (who died > January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. German, Austrian > has been difficult to trace, so it’s no wonder many from this side of the > pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie >

http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith family? When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. My family had a mere smattering of Hielan’ names, McLean, McDougall and Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a ‘clan structure,’ per se. The rest of my family names, particularly on my father’s side, were Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. My mother’s side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? McLean on my father’s or McDougall on my mother’s side? As for me, myself and I? I’m just Glesga...though transplanted to Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it’s no wonder many from this side of the pond just call themselves American. Maisie

Hi all Sorry to wake you up ;-) Just wondering if anyone had come across a list of area codes used in the 1939 National Identity Registration for Scotland The English/Welsh ones are available but haven't found a source for the Scotland codes I have my mother in law with code YRGR , I believe she was in Galashiels in 1939 so just wanted to confirm it I have emailed the National Archives of Scotland and am awaiting a reply from them -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hell Jennifer, Many thanks for you reply and advice. I already have them on the 1901 census as shown in my earlier email. 1901: James Laidlaw, 21yrs, hairdresser, High Blantyr Road, Mann's Land. Agnes 20yrs and Elizabeth 1 month infant. I am a member of Scotlandspeople and use it when I can afford to. But they charge like wounded bulls! Its 6 points for each page which is a lot especially as we pay also for currency converts. Of course I do my best to narrow the names down before opening a page. So where were they between 1911 census and when they boarded the ?train or ?Ship to go to London? The Orontes left Tilbury 4th August 1911. I was too young to realize I should have asked more questions about their time before coming to Australia. My G Grandad was a likeable chap. I remember him walking around with a wee dram in his hand and giving rousing renditions of Rabbie Burns Poems. The more he was told to stop or to sit down, the more he kept on, Funny! I think the verses got longer as the whisky bottle got shorter. I'll check the English census as you suggest. Again, Many thanks. Kind regards Ann (in sunny but cold Perth, WA). -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+business=sbse.net.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Myers Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 6:16 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Ann, search for Post Office or Trade Directories in Lanarkshire/Hamilton in the timeframe. The National Library of Scotland only has digistised Directories for Hamilton 1850-60s. There could be other directories for 1900s Lanarkshire, I didn't check for them. Also where did you search for them in the 1911 Census? The only source for the 1911 Scottish Census is at the ScotlandsPeople website. The 1901 Census will be there too, as will the Valuation Rolls for 1900, 1905, 1910, there was no census taken in 1900. If you happen to be taking your info from Ancestry transcriptions, I think downloading the images from ScotlandsPeople would be more advantageous. Did you check the 1911 English Census for the family, they might have moved closer to where they were going to embark on their voyage?? Hope this is of some help, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: SBS Engineers - Business Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 6:22 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Good afternoon/morning list. My great grandparents James Laidlaw and Agnes Summers Lindsay sailed to Sydney in 1911 towing my grandmother and great uncle with them. Not an unusual story, I know. I was lucky enough to have known them as being hardy Scots, they lived to a good age. Jim was a barber. I have a reference written for my GG Jim by the person(s) he worked for when he moved to Sydney <<snip>> James started his career as a 'soap boy' at age 11 years while still attending school in a town 10 miles from Glasgow. He had 20 years in the trade before he decided to come to Australia. At that time in Sydney a shave cost 3d. and a haircut 6d. rising to 4d. and 9d. in the following year. Wages were £2.8.0 and hairdressers worked a 60 hour week. One senses a very real pride in the craftsmanship of his trade when Mr. Laidlaw mentions that his establishment is still catering to the needs of the fifth generation of one of his earliest customers.<<unsnip>>. WOW!! They don't make 'em like this anymore! The person who sent me this copy didn't think to include the name of the author or a date but I know the address of the establishment - Rocky Point Road, Rockdale, (Sydney). Is there any way of finding out the names of the barber business that were in Hamilton during 1900-1911. O On 1900 census : James Laidlaw Hairdressers Assistant aged 20y,7 Holmes Ave. Hamilton. The Lindsay's were at 50 Chapel St. Hamilton. 1901: James Laidlaw, 21yrs, hairdresser, High Blantyr Road, Mann's Land. Agnes 20yrs and Elizabeth 1 month infant. I cannot find them in the 1911 census. They didn't leave untill August 1911. I have tried google but it only brings up modern shops. Hoping someone on this list can row some light on this. Especially the 1911 census. Many thanks in advance.Regards. Ann Spiro Guild One-Name Studies Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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Thanks Jay, will let you know if it gives up the goods. Kind regards Ann -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+business=sbse.net.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sinebeg Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 7:57 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Ann, try https://archive.org/details/texts - they have lots of Scottish directories. Search term 'scotland directory' Jay ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Kathryn and Bill, I have looked at some of the directories but I know it's an ongoing trawling exercise. What's another 10yrs of my life with head stuck in records :):):) anything to solve the mystery. After the GGrans died, I received mountains of personal paperwork, but it's all to do with life in Australia such as insurance, house purchase, etc. etc. Nothing to help with the Scottish life. I would love to find some living cousins (the best kind) or share info with. All attempts at writing to Laidlaw's in the area failed - no answers. They need not be afraid, I don't want to move in with them - just want to share info :) My GG Grandfather John Laidlaw (marr: Janet Smith) lived at 15 Gateside Street Hamilton. I took images of his old address in Hamilton when I was there years ago. I have 2 letters he wrote to my grandmother Lizzy dated 1930 and 1938.. The Lindsay GG was a railway Engine Driver. Thank you so much for your reply. I will keep searching. Kind regards Ann (in Perth WA) -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+business=sbse.net.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 6:19 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Hi Anne, I have seen business directories for cities in Scotland. Can't remember the details but maybe other listers might be more knowledgeable than me. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SBS Engineers - Business Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2017 6:22 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Importance: High Good afternoon/morning list. My great grandparents James Laidlaw and Agnes Summers Lindsay sailed to Sydney in 1911 towing my grandmother and great uncle with them. Not an unusual story, I know. I was lucky enough to have known them as being hardy Scots, they lived to a good age. Jim was a barber. I have a reference written for my GG Jim by the person(s) he worked for when he moved to Sydney <<snip>> James started his career as a 'soap boy' at age 11 years while still attending school in a town 10 miles from Glasgow. He had 20 years in the trade before he decided to come to Australia. At that time in Sydney a shave cost 3d. and a haircut 6d. rising to 4d. and 9d. in the following year. Wages were £2.8.0 and hairdressers worked a 60 hour week. One senses a very real pride in the craftsmanship of his trade when Mr. Laidlaw mentions that his establishment is still catering to the needs of the fifth generation of one of his earliest customers.<<unsnip>>. WOW!! They don't make 'em like this anymore! The person who sent me this copy didn't think to include the name of the author or a date but I know the address of the establishment - Rocky Point Road, Rockdale, (Sydney). Is there any way of finding out the names of the barber business that were in Hamilton during 1900-1911. O On 1900 census : James Laidlaw Hairdressers Assistant aged 20y,7 Holmes Ave. Hamilton. The Lindsay's were at 50 Chapel St. Hamilton. 1901: James Laidlaw, 21yrs, hairdresser, High Blantyr Road, Mann's Land. Agnes 20yrs and Elizabeth 1 month infant. I cannot find them in the 1911 census. They didn't leave untill August 1911. I have tried google but it only brings up modern shops. Hoping someone on this list can row some light on this. Especially the 1911 census. Many thanks in advance.Regards. Ann Spiro Guild One-Name Studies Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS  http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hell Jennifer, Many thanks for you reply and advice. I already have them on the 1901 census as shown in my earlier email. 1901: James Laidlaw, 21yrs, hairdresser, High Blantyr Road, Mann's Land. Agnes 20yrs and Elizabeth 1 month infant. I am a member of Scotlandspeople and use it when I can afford to. But they charge like wounded bulls! Its 6 points for each page which is a lot especially as we pay also for currency converts. Of course I do my best to narrow the names down before opening a page. So where were they between 1911 census and when they boarded the ?train or ?Ship to go to London? The Orontes left Tilbury 4th August 1911. I was too young to realize I should have asked more questions about their time before coming to Australia. My G Grandad was a likeable chap. I remember him walking around with a wee dram in his hand and giving rousing renditions of Rabbie Burns Poems. The more he was told to stop or to sit down, the more he kept on, Funny! I think the verses got longer as the whisky bottle got shorter. I'll check the English census as you suggest. Again, Many thanks. Kind regards Ann (in sunny but cold Perth, WA). -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+business=sbse.net.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Myers Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 6:16 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Ann, search for Post Office or Trade Directories in Lanarkshire/Hamilton in the timeframe. The National Library of Scotland only has digistised Directories for Hamilton 1850-60s. There could be other directories for 1900s Lanarkshire, I didn't check for them. Also where did you search for them in the 1911 Census? The only source for the 1911 Scottish Census is at the ScotlandsPeople website. The 1901 Census will be there too, as will the Valuation Rolls for 1900, 1905, 1910, there was no census taken in 1900. If you happen to be taking your info from Ancestry transcriptions, I think downloading the images from ScotlandsPeople would be more advantageous. Did you check the 1911 English Census for the family, they might have moved closer to where they were going to embark on their voyage?? Hope this is of some help, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: SBS Engineers - Business Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 6:22 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Good afternoon/morning list. My great grandparents James Laidlaw and Agnes Summers Lindsay sailed to Sydney in 1911 towing my grandmother and great uncle with them. Not an unusual story, I know. I was lucky enough to have known them as being hardy Scots, they lived to a good age. Jim was a barber. I have a reference written for my GG Jim by the person(s) he worked for when he moved to Sydney <<snip>> James started his career as a 'soap boy' at age 11 years while still attending school in a town 10 miles from Glasgow. He had 20 years in the trade before he decided to come to Australia. At that time in Sydney a shave cost 3d. and a haircut 6d. rising to 4d. and 9d. in the following year. Wages were £2.8.0 and hairdressers worked a 60 hour week. One senses a very real pride in the craftsmanship of his trade when Mr. Laidlaw mentions that his establishment is still catering to the needs of the fifth generation of one of his earliest customers.<<unsnip>>. WOW!! They don't make 'em like this anymore! The person who sent me this copy didn't think to include the name of the author or a date but I know the address of the establishment - Rocky Point Road, Rockdale, (Sydney). Is there any way of finding out the names of the barber business that were in Hamilton during 1900-1911. O On 1900 census : James Laidlaw Hairdressers Assistant aged 20y,7 Holmes Ave. Hamilton. The Lindsay's were at 50 Chapel St. Hamilton. 1901: James Laidlaw, 21yrs, hairdresser, High Blantyr Road, Mann's Land. Agnes 20yrs and Elizabeth 1 month infant. I cannot find them in the 1911 census. They didn't leave untill August 1911. I have tried google but it only brings up modern shops. Hoping someone on this list can row some light on this. Especially the 1911 census. Many thanks in advance.Regards. Ann Spiro Guild One-Name Studies Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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Ann, try https://archive.org/details/texts - they have lots of Scottish directories. Search term 'scotland directory' Jay

Hi Anne, I have seen business directories for cities in Scotland. Can't remember the details but maybe other listers might be more knowledgeable than me. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SBS Engineers - Business Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2017 6:22 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Importance: High Good afternoon/morning list. My great grandparents James Laidlaw and Agnes Summers Lindsay sailed to Sydney in 1911 towing my grandmother and great uncle with them. Not an unusual story, I know. I was lucky enough to have known them as being hardy Scots, they lived to a good age. Jim was a barber. I have a reference written for my GG Jim by the person(s) he worked for when he moved to Sydney <<snip>> James started his career as a 'soap boy' at age 11 years while still attending school in a town 10 miles from Glasgow. He had 20 years in the trade before he decided to come to Australia. At that time in Sydney a shave cost 3d. and a haircut 6d. rising to 4d. and 9d. in the following year. Wages were £2.8.0 and hairdressers worked a 60 hour week. One senses a very real pride in the craftsmanship of his trade when Mr. Laidlaw mentions that his establishment is still catering to the needs of the fifth generation of one of his earliest customers.<<unsnip>>. WOW!! They don't make 'em like this anymore! The person who sent me this copy didn't think to include the name of the author or a date but I know the address of the establishment - Rocky Point Road, Rockdale, (Sydney). Is there any way of finding out the names of the barber business that were in Hamilton during 1900-1911. O On 1900 census : James Laidlaw Hairdressers Assistant aged 20y,7 Holmes Ave. Hamilton. The Lindsay's were at 50 Chapel St. Hamilton. 1901: James Laidlaw, 21yrs, hairdresser, High Blantyr Road, Mann's Land. Agnes 20yrs and Elizabeth 1 month infant. I cannot find them in the 1911 census. They didn't leave untill August 1911. I have tried google but it only brings up modern shops. Hoping someone on this list can row some light on this. Especially the 1911 census. Many thanks in advance.Regards. Ann Spiro Guild One-Name Studies Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS  http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann, search for Post Office or Trade Directories in Lanarkshire/Hamilton in the timeframe. The National Library of Scotland only has digistised Directories for Hamilton 1850-60s. There could be other directories for 1900s Lanarkshire, I didn't check for them. Also where did you search for them in the 1911 Census? The only source for the 1911 Scottish Census is at the ScotlandsPeople website. The 1901 Census will be there too, as will the Valuation Rolls for 1900, 1905, 1910, there was no census taken in 1900. If you happen to be taking your info from Ancestry transcriptions, I think downloading the images from ScotlandsPeople would be more advantageous. Did you check the 1911 English Census for the family, they might have moved closer to where they were going to embark on their voyage?? Hope this is of some help, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: SBS Engineers - Business Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 6:22 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Barber Shops Hamilton 1900-1011 Good afternoon/morning list. My great grandparents James Laidlaw and Agnes Summers Lindsay sailed to Sydney in 1911 towing my grandmother and great uncle with them. Not an unusual story, I know. I was lucky enough to have known them as being hardy Scots, they lived to a good age. Jim was a barber. I have a reference written for my GG Jim by the person(s) he worked for when he moved to Sydney <<snip>> James started his career as a 'soap boy' at age 11 years while still attending school in a town 10 miles from Glasgow. He had 20 years in the trade before he decided to come to Australia. At that time in Sydney a shave cost 3d. and a haircut 6d. rising to 4d. and 9d. in the following year. Wages were £2.8.0 and hairdressers worked a 60 hour week. One senses a very real pride in the craftsmanship of his trade when Mr. Laidlaw mentions that his establishment is still catering to the needs of the fifth generation of one of his earliest customers.<<unsnip>>. WOW!! They don't make 'em like this anymore! The person who sent me this copy didn't think to include the name of the author or a date but I know the address of the establishment - Rocky Point Road, Rockdale, (Sydney). Is there any way of finding out the names of the barber business that were in Hamilton during 1900-1911. O On 1900 census : James Laidlaw Hairdressers Assistant aged 20y,7 Holmes Ave. Hamilton. The Lindsay's were at 50 Chapel St. Hamilton. 1901: James Laidlaw, 21yrs, hairdresser, High Blantyr Road, Mann's Land. Agnes 20yrs and Elizabeth 1 month infant. I cannot find them in the 1911 census. They didn't leave untill August 1911. I have tried google but it only brings up modern shops. Hoping someone on this list can row some light on this. Especially the 1911 census. Many thanks in advance.Regards. Ann Spiro Guild One-Name Studies Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Good afternoon/morning list. My great grandparents James Laidlaw and Agnes Summers Lindsay sailed to Sydney in 1911 towing my grandmother and great uncle with them. Not an unusual story, I know. I was lucky enough to have known them as being hardy Scots, they lived to a good age. Jim was a barber. I have a reference written for my GG Jim by the person(s) he worked for when he moved to Sydney <<snip>> James started his career as a 'soap boy' at age 11 years while still attending school in a town 10 miles from Glasgow. He had 20 years in the trade before he decided to come to Australia. At that time in Sydney a shave cost 3d. and a haircut 6d. rising to 4d. and 9d. in the following year. Wages were £2.8.0 and hairdressers worked a 60 hour week. One senses a very real pride in the craftsmanship of his trade when Mr. Laidlaw mentions that his establishment is still catering to the needs of the fifth generation of one of his earliest customers.<<unsnip>>. WOW!! They don't make 'em like this anymore! The person who sent me this copy didn't think to include the name of the author or a date but I know the address of the establishment - Rocky Point Road, Rockdale, (Sydney). Is there any way of finding out the names of the barber business that were in Hamilton during 1900-1911. O On 1900 census : James Laidlaw Hairdressers Assistant aged 20y,7 Holmes Ave. Hamilton. The Lindsay's were at 50 Chapel St. Hamilton. 1901: James Laidlaw, 21yrs, hairdresser, High Blantyr Road, Mann's Land. Agnes 20yrs and Elizabeth 1 month infant. I cannot find them in the 1911 census. They didn't leave untill August 1911. I have tried google but it only brings up modern shops. Hoping someone on this list can row some light on this. Especially the 1911 census. Many thanks in advance.Regards. Ann Spiro Guild One-Name Studies Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS  http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com

Thanks Nivard, Ive since joined Middlesex forum and had replies,so I not worried about the London forum now. Strange though still havnt had a welcome to London forum as yet been a week Thanks again Rick -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 5:09 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]Re: [Lanark] [Norton AntiSpam]Re: No emails Hi Rick It will depend upon the list and its admin as to whether a subscriber is automatically subscribed or the admin has to approve it, I suspect London is the latter Admins are not always around 24/7 but would expect approvals to be within a day or so, your situation seems unusual There are some gremlins in the works at present with some emailers being treated as spam, and it may be that yours is one of them I would suggest emailing the London admin on LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28-Jun-17 2:02 AM, rickydb@bigpond.com wrote: > Hi Guys...Ive been following this "no emails" with interest..research has > led me to London so some days ago joined London forum Subscribed and > confirmed,how long do you have to wait for your confirmed to be confirmed > and therefore able to post a query?? one may suspect this huge delay may > result in no email queries. > All that aside love the forums and the answers, tips and suggestions from > like-minded people > Cheers Rick > Australia ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for anyone researching ; Margaret FORSYTH born Midlothian, about 1865 / 1867, ( she may have changed her year of birth ), and her husband James CLUGGIE . Known Children ; Isabella 1889; James 1898; Matthew 1901. Is anyone researching tis family ? 1901 they show Glasgow Parish. Either is a different Margaret or she changed her age. ( James was younger ). Isabella age 12 yrs born Glasgow, with her Grandmother Janet Forsyth, in Stow , Midlothian. Margaret may have been in Prison. Mary.

Good morning, My 3 x great grandmother is Christina (Christy) SWAN. Born 1790's died 1851. Married tThoms BROWN and lived in Swan Cottage Leadhills LKS SCT. There are 8 Swan headstones in the Leadhills Cemetery. But I haven't found a link to Christina's parents or siblings. Can make a guess :-) but need to do more work. Jean New Zealand

Sorry I cannot help you, all I know is that I had a ggggrandfather John Swan and his wife was Janet Pearson married 1822 in Barony Lanarkshire, and that my gggrandmother was Janet Swan b 1824 in Glasgow. She and her husband Thomas Bryce came to Australia in 1848 landing in Sydney where they were quarantined. They came out on the Steadfast. ----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+franstewart=optusnet.com.au@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Bradley Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 8:58 AM To: genealogy@ancestryroots.co.uk; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] SWAN Good morning, My 3 x great grandmother is Christina (Christy) SWAN. Born 1790's died 1851. Married tThoms BROWN and lived in Swan Cottage Leadhills LKS SCT. There are 8 Swan headstones in the Leadhills Cemetery. But I haven't found a link to Christina's parents or siblings. Can make a guess :-) but need to do more work. Jean New Zealand ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rick It will depend upon the list and its admin as to whether a subscriber is automatically subscribed or the admin has to approve it, I suspect London is the latter Admins are not always around 24/7 but would expect approvals to be within a day or so, your situation seems unusual There are some gremlins in the works at present with some emailers being treated as spam, and it may be that yours is one of them I would suggest emailing the London admin on LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28-Jun-17 2:02 AM, rickydb@bigpond.com wrote: > Hi Guys...Ive been following this "no emails" with interest..research > has led me to London so some days ago joined London forum Subscribed and > confirmed,how long do you have to wait for your confirmed to be > confirmed and therefore able to post a query?? one may suspect this huge > delay may result in no email queries. > All that aside love the forums and the answers, tips and suggestions > from like-minded people > Cheers Rick > Australia