Thank you every one. Frank has been in touch.Take Care Margaret From: "ruth.enns@shaw.ca" <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:09 PM Subject: [Lanark] Frank I still have his old sympatico e mail address. R ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just watched it on Youtube. Very interesting. Thank you for the heads up! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7mkSInyFvM Sent from my iPad > On Aug 18, 2017, at 3:00 AM, lanark-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Send LANARK mailing list submissions to > lanark@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists3.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/lanark > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lanark-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lanark-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of LANARK digest..." > > > PLEASE NOTE > > When replying to a digest message, please quote only the specific portion or message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > ------------------------------- > > Today's Topics: > > 1. WDYTYA Thurs 17th Aug 2017 8pm BBC1 (Nivard Ovington) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:49:53 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > To: "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [Lanark] WDYTYA Thurs 17th Aug 2017 8pm BBC1 > Message-ID: <abeb3144-cb72-f9b6-15ba-7cb43f433779@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > > Well this weeks offering is on Marie McDonald McLaughlin Lawrie > > Better known as Lulu > > Born in Lennoxtown East Dunbartonshire but brought up in Glasgow > > There can't be many who haven't heard of Lulu > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the LANARK list administrator, send an email to > LANARK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LANARK mailing list, send an email to LANARK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of LANARK Digest, Vol 12, Issue 80 > **************************************

Does anyone know if Frank McGonigal is still on the list. I hope he may be able to answer a question for me.Thank you Margaret Ontario

I still have his old sympatico e mail address. R

I am all Coronation Street here in Canada...........just have Lulu Island, close by. -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn and Bill Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:12 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] WDYTYA Thurs 17th Aug 2017 8pm BBC1 Wonder if it will ever come to Australia..... BBC iPlayer can't be viewed here - frustrating because the BBC have so many brilliant programs which never reach our shores. -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Flemington Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 1:37 AM To: Lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] WDYTYA Thurs 17th Aug 2017 8pm BBC1 It was an excellent piece on Scottish Social History, veery well presented, and a lesson for future generations. Jim > On 17 Aug 2017, at 21:08, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > If you didn't catch it, try to watch it on iplayer > > It was one of the better episodes > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 16-Aug-17 8:49 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Well this weeks offering is on Marie McDonald McLaughlin Lawrie >> Better known as Lulu Born in Lennoxtown East Dunbartonshire but >> brought up in Glasgow There can't be many who haven't heard of Lulu > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was an excellent piece on Scottish Social History, veery well presented, and a lesson for future generations. Jim > On 17 Aug 2017, at 21:08, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > If you didn't catch it, try to watch it on iplayer > > It was one of the better episodes > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 16-Aug-17 8:49 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Well this weeks offering is on Marie McDonald McLaughlin Lawrie >> Better known as Lulu >> Born in Lennoxtown East Dunbartonshire but brought up in Glasgow >> There can't be many who haven't heard of Lulu > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you didn't catch it, try to watch it on iplayer It was one of the better episodes Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16-Aug-17 8:49 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Well this weeks offering is on Marie McDonald McLaughlin Lawrie > > Better known as Lulu > > Born in Lennoxtown East Dunbartonshire but brought up in Glasgow > > There can't be many who haven't heard of Lulu > >

Well this weeks offering is on Marie McDonald McLaughlin Lawrie Better known as Lulu Born in Lennoxtown East Dunbartonshire but brought up in Glasgow There can't be many who haven't heard of Lulu -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Could we get back to Family History please. Ella Ross Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Aug 2017, at 14:43, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > > She described someone else's clearly exaggerated view, in a tone that makes it clear she thought it was incorrect. What emoticon would have been appropriate? > > Come on, folks, some people are just capable of taking anything apart with a toothpick, and there are ten shades of that going on here. > > Dora > > -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:17 AM > To: 'Dora Smith' ; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Lanark] Clan structure > > That's what emoticons are for. You may think something is tongue-in-cheek, > and react accordingly, but if it isn't you can give offence. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANARK > [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Dora Smith > Sent: 13 August 2017 03:19 > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure > > I honestly was never sure what was hard about realizing you were being > tongue in cheek. ;) > > Dora > > -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn and Bill > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:47 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure > > I was being tongue-in-cheek but I should know that it doesn't work in an > email! Sorry! > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Anne Burgess > Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 8:10 AM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure > > No, sorry, but your friend is wrong. Glasgow is quite close to the > Highlands, and a lot of the population of Glasgow is descended from people > who moved there from the Highlands, and its name is from Gaelic, but the > city is definitely not in the Highlands. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANARK > [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Kathryn and Bill > Sent: 12 August 2017 22:26 > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure > > Thanks Anne. This is really helpful. > > I did wonder about the very definite line drawn on the Wikipedia map - and > when was it drawn and who earth would have drawn it. > My friend was convinced that Glasgow - home of her ancestors - is in the > Highlands. > > Kathryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Anne Burgess > Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 3:59 AM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure > > Yes and no. > > Geologically speaking, everything north of the Highland Boundary Fault is > Highland, everything south of the Southern Uplands Fault is Southern > Uplands, and the bit in between the two faults is the Lowlands. > > Politically speaking, the very recently (1975) created Highland Region > includes the counties of Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, > Inverness-shire and Nairnshire, and it has a definite boundary. > > These are the only lines that can be drawn on a map. In any other context, > opinions vary as to exactly where lines would be drawn if it were not > utterly pointless to attempt to do so. > > For example, the area where Gaelic is or was the first language of the > population has been shrinking steadily, so a map showing where it was spoken > in 1600 or 1800 would be very different from a map showing where it was > spoken in 2000. > > Having said that, I don't think anyone would ever say that Lanarkshire or > any part of the Lothians belongs to the Highlands by any stretch of the > imagination. > > Anne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANARK > [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Kathryn and Bill > Sent: 12 August 2017 00:17 > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure > > Thanks for this, Maisie. > Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, > one that everyone adheres to? > My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! > Kathryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maisie Egger > Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands > > http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots > > When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and > south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. > Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, > Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House > of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once > belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation > upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. > > Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the > delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) > and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to > Lowland 'families.' > > Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a > Highland Chief among them! > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aris > tocracy.html > > Maisie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Walton > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM > To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure > > I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian > and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. > > Thanks, > Jeannette > >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a >> hierarchy of clans. >> >> Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or >> whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates >> pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought >> beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. >> >> Dora >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger >> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM >> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers >> Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure >> >> >> http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure >> >> Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith >> family? >> >> When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite >> demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. >> My >> family had a mere smattering of Hielan' names, McLean, McDougall and >> Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a 'clan structure,' per se. The >> rest of my family names, particularly on my father's side, were >> Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. >> My mother's side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we >> say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. >> >> If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, >> as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few >> generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, > which one? >> McLean on my father's or McDougall on my mother's side? >> >> As for me, myself and I? I'm just Glesga...though transplanted to >> Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe >> (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. >> German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it's no wonder many >> from this side of the pond just call themselves American. >> >> Maisie >> > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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She described someone else's clearly exaggerated view, in a tone that makes it clear she thought it was incorrect. What emoticon would have been appropriate? Come on, folks, some people are just capable of taking anything apart with a toothpick, and there are ten shades of that going on here. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:17 AM To: 'Dora Smith' ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Lanark] Clan structure That's what emoticons are for. You may think something is tongue-in-cheek, and react accordingly, but if it isn't you can give offence. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: 13 August 2017 03:19 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I honestly was never sure what was hard about realizing you were being tongue in cheek. ;) Dora -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn and Bill Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:47 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I was being tongue-in-cheek but I should know that it doesn't work in an email! Sorry! -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 8:10 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure No, sorry, but your friend is wrong. Glasgow is quite close to the Highlands, and a lot of the population of Glasgow is descended from people who moved there from the Highlands, and its name is from Gaelic, but the city is definitely not in the Highlands. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 22:26 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks Anne. This is really helpful. I did wonder about the very definite line drawn on the Wikipedia map - and when was it drawn and who earth would have drawn it. My friend was convinced that Glasgow - home of her ancestors - is in the Highlands. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 3:59 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Yes and no. Geologically speaking, everything north of the Highland Boundary Fault is Highland, everything south of the Southern Uplands Fault is Southern Uplands, and the bit in between the two faults is the Lowlands. Politically speaking, the very recently (1975) created Highland Region includes the counties of Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Inverness-shire and Nairnshire, and it has a definite boundary. These are the only lines that can be drawn on a map. In any other context, opinions vary as to exactly where lines would be drawn if it were not utterly pointless to attempt to do so. For example, the area where Gaelic is or was the first language of the population has been shrinking steadily, so a map showing where it was spoken in 1600 or 1800 would be very different from a map showing where it was spoken in 2000. Having said that, I don't think anyone would ever say that Lanarkshire or any part of the Lothians belongs to the Highlands by any stretch of the imagination. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 00:17 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aris tocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan' names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a 'clan structure,' per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father's side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother's side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father's or McDougall on my mother's side? > > As for me, myself and I? I'm just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. > German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it's no wonder many > from this side of the pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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The original question was certainly serious. -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 8:13 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure It originally came across as a serious question as far as I could tell Not a fan of emoticons but they can lend some sense to plain bland emails ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-Aug-17 10:17 AM, Anne Burgess wrote: > That's what emoticons are for. You may think something is > tongue-in-cheek, and react accordingly, but if it isn't you can give offence. > > Anne ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It originally came across as a serious question as far as I could tell Not a fan of emoticons but they can lend some sense to plain bland emails ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-Aug-17 10:17 AM, Anne Burgess wrote: > That's what emoticons are for. You may think something is tongue-in-cheek, > and react accordingly, but if it isn't you can give offence. > > Anne

I was being tongue-in-cheek but I should know that it doesn't work in an email! Sorry! -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 8:10 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure No, sorry, but your friend is wrong. Glasgow is quite close to the Highlands, and a lot of the population of Glasgow is descended from people who moved there from the Highlands, and its name is from Gaelic, but the city is definitely not in the Highlands. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 22:26 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks Anne. This is really helpful. I did wonder about the very definite line drawn on the Wikipedia map - and when was it drawn and who earth would have drawn it. My friend was convinced that Glasgow - home of her ancestors - is in the Highlands. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 3:59 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Yes and no. Geologically speaking, everything north of the Highland Boundary Fault is Highland, everything south of the Southern Uplands Fault is Southern Uplands, and the bit in between the two faults is the Lowlands. Politically speaking, the very recently (1975) created Highland Region includes the counties of Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Inverness-shire and Nairnshire, and it has a definite boundary. These are the only lines that can be drawn on a map. In any other context, opinions vary as to exactly where lines would be drawn if it were not utterly pointless to attempt to do so. For example, the area where Gaelic is or was the first language of the population has been shrinking steadily, so a map showing where it was spoken in 1600 or 1800 would be very different from a map showing where it was spoken in 2000. Having said that, I don't think anyone would ever say that Lanarkshire or any part of the Lothians belongs to the Highlands by any stretch of the imagination. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 00:17 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aris tocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan' names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a 'clan structure,' per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father's side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother's side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father's or McDougall on my mother's side? > > As for me, myself and I? I'm just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. > German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it's no wonder many > from this side of the pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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That's what emoticons are for. You may think something is tongue-in-cheek, and react accordingly, but if it isn't you can give offence. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: 13 August 2017 03:19 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I honestly was never sure what was hard about realizing you were being tongue in cheek. ;) Dora -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn and Bill Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:47 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I was being tongue-in-cheek but I should know that it doesn't work in an email! Sorry! -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 8:10 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure No, sorry, but your friend is wrong. Glasgow is quite close to the Highlands, and a lot of the population of Glasgow is descended from people who moved there from the Highlands, and its name is from Gaelic, but the city is definitely not in the Highlands. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 22:26 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks Anne. This is really helpful. I did wonder about the very definite line drawn on the Wikipedia map - and when was it drawn and who earth would have drawn it. My friend was convinced that Glasgow - home of her ancestors - is in the Highlands. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 3:59 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Yes and no. Geologically speaking, everything north of the Highland Boundary Fault is Highland, everything south of the Southern Uplands Fault is Southern Uplands, and the bit in between the two faults is the Lowlands. Politically speaking, the very recently (1975) created Highland Region includes the counties of Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Inverness-shire and Nairnshire, and it has a definite boundary. These are the only lines that can be drawn on a map. In any other context, opinions vary as to exactly where lines would be drawn if it were not utterly pointless to attempt to do so. For example, the area where Gaelic is or was the first language of the population has been shrinking steadily, so a map showing where it was spoken in 1600 or 1800 would be very different from a map showing where it was spoken in 2000. Having said that, I don't think anyone would ever say that Lanarkshire or any part of the Lothians belongs to the Highlands by any stretch of the imagination. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 00:17 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aris tocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan' names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a 'clan structure,' per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father's side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother's side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father's or McDougall on my mother's side? > > As for me, myself and I? I'm just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. > German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it's no wonder many > from this side of the pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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Thanks Anne. This is really helpful. I did wonder about the very definite line drawn on the Wikipedia map - and when was it drawn and who earth would have drawn it. My friend was convinced that Glasgow - home of her ancestors - is in the Highlands. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 3:59 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Yes and no. Geologically speaking, everything north of the Highland Boundary Fault is Highland, everything south of the Southern Uplands Fault is Southern Uplands, and the bit in between the two faults is the Lowlands. Politically speaking, the very recently (1975) created Highland Region includes the counties of Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Inverness-shire and Nairnshire, and it has a definite boundary. These are the only lines that can be drawn on a map. In any other context, opinions vary as to exactly where lines would be drawn if it were not utterly pointless to attempt to do so. For example, the area where Gaelic is or was the first language of the population has been shrinking steadily, so a map showing where it was spoken in 1600 or 1800 would be very different from a map showing where it was spoken in 2000. Having said that, I don't think anyone would ever say that Lanarkshire or any part of the Lothians belongs to the Highlands by any stretch of the imagination. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 00:17 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aris tocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan' names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a 'clan structure,' per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father's side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother's side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father's or McDougall on my mother's side? > > As for me, myself and I? I'm just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. > German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it's no wonder many > from this side of the pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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No, sorry, but your friend is wrong. Glasgow is quite close to the Highlands, and a lot of the population of Glasgow is descended from people who moved there from the Highlands, and its name is from Gaelic, but the city is definitely not in the Highlands. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 22:26 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks Anne. This is really helpful. I did wonder about the very definite line drawn on the Wikipedia map - and when was it drawn and who earth would have drawn it. My friend was convinced that Glasgow - home of her ancestors - is in the Highlands. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 3:59 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Yes and no. Geologically speaking, everything north of the Highland Boundary Fault is Highland, everything south of the Southern Uplands Fault is Southern Uplands, and the bit in between the two faults is the Lowlands. Politically speaking, the very recently (1975) created Highland Region includes the counties of Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Inverness-shire and Nairnshire, and it has a definite boundary. These are the only lines that can be drawn on a map. In any other context, opinions vary as to exactly where lines would be drawn if it were not utterly pointless to attempt to do so. For example, the area where Gaelic is or was the first language of the population has been shrinking steadily, so a map showing where it was spoken in 1600 or 1800 would be very different from a map showing where it was spoken in 2000. Having said that, I don't think anyone would ever say that Lanarkshire or any part of the Lothians belongs to the Highlands by any stretch of the imagination. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 00:17 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aris tocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan' names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a 'clan structure,' per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father's side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother's side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father's or McDougall on my mother's side? > > As for me, myself and I? I'm just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. > German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it's no wonder many > from this side of the pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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I honestly was never sure what was hard about realizing you were being tongue in cheek. ;) Dora -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn and Bill Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:47 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I was being tongue-in-cheek but I should know that it doesn't work in an email! Sorry! -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 8:10 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure No, sorry, but your friend is wrong. Glasgow is quite close to the Highlands, and a lot of the population of Glasgow is descended from people who moved there from the Highlands, and its name is from Gaelic, but the city is definitely not in the Highlands. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 22:26 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks Anne. This is really helpful. I did wonder about the very definite line drawn on the Wikipedia map - and when was it drawn and who earth would have drawn it. My friend was convinced that Glasgow - home of her ancestors - is in the Highlands. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2017 3:59 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Yes and no. Geologically speaking, everything north of the Highland Boundary Fault is Highland, everything south of the Southern Uplands Fault is Southern Uplands, and the bit in between the two faults is the Lowlands. Politically speaking, the very recently (1975) created Highland Region includes the counties of Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Inverness-shire and Nairnshire, and it has a definite boundary. These are the only lines that can be drawn on a map. In any other context, opinions vary as to exactly where lines would be drawn if it were not utterly pointless to attempt to do so. For example, the area where Gaelic is or was the first language of the population has been shrinking steadily, so a map showing where it was spoken in 1600 or 1800 would be very different from a map showing where it was spoken in 2000. Having said that, I don't think anyone would ever say that Lanarkshire or any part of the Lothians belongs to the Highlands by any stretch of the imagination. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 00:17 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aris tocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan' names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a 'clan structure,' per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father's side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother's side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father's or McDougall on my mother's side? > > As for me, myself and I? I'm just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). 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Yes and no. Geologically speaking, everything north of the Highland Boundary Fault is Highland, everything south of the Southern Uplands Fault is Southern Uplands, and the bit in between the two faults is the Lowlands. Politically speaking, the very recently (1975) created Highland Region includes the counties of Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Inverness-shire and Nairnshire, and it has a definite boundary. These are the only lines that can be drawn on a map. In any other context, opinions vary as to exactly where lines would be drawn if it were not utterly pointless to attempt to do so. For example, the area where Gaelic is or was the first language of the population has been shrinking steadily, so a map showing where it was spoken in 1600 or 1800 would be very different from a map showing where it was spoken in 2000. Having said that, I don't think anyone would ever say that Lanarkshire or any part of the Lothians belongs to the Highlands by any stretch of the imagination. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+anne.genlists=btinternet.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn and Bill Sent: 12 August 2017 00:17 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aris tocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan' names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a 'clan structure,' per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father's side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother's side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father's or McDougall on my mother's side? > > As for me, myself and I? I'm just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. > German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it's no wonder many > from this side of the pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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I would also like to know more about this. My family were from Lanarkshire and SW Scotland. Thanks, Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeannette Walton Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 4:59 AM To: Dora Smith; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did > not. My family had a mere smattering of Hielan’ names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a ‘clan structure,’ per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father’s side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother’s side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father’s or McDougall on my mother’s side? > > As for me, myself and I? I’m just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. > German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it’s no wonder many > from this side of the pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click > on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click > on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for this, Maisie. Is there a definitive dividing line between Highland and Lowland Scotland, one that everyone adheres to? My question arises from many heated discussions on the subject! Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: LANARK [mailto:lanark-bounces+nautakat=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 6:15 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots When I grew up in Glasgow, there was the Highland line and anything east and south of this line (not Gaelic peaking) did not adhere to any clan system. Those by the names of Cunningham, Armstrong, Douglas, Scott, Elliot, Hamilton and so on...not a Mac among them...were referred to as the House of.... Where I lived in Glasgow, rumour had it that the property once belonged to the Duke of Hamilton before it was sold to Glasgow Corporation upon which was built a housing estate. I haven't been able to verify this. Find a good map on Google of how Scotland is 'divvied up,' to show the delineation of what is considered to be Lowland (ergo non-Gaelic speakers) and Highland, which should also show 'clans' and lands that belonged to Lowland 'families.' Another article of note is who owns much of the land in U.K....and not a Highland Chief among them! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328270/A-Britain-STILL-belongs-aristocracy.html Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:58 AM To: Dora Smith ; LANARK- List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clan structure I'd really like to know more about this. My family were from West Lothian and then Lanarkshire. I didn't think they were a part of any clan. Thanks, Jeannette On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh my gosh - that is completely up in the air. There is also a > hierarchy of clans. > > Do you have any idea where in Lanarkshire they lived, what villages or > whose land? I think that in southwestern Scotland, the tenants on estates > pretty much came running when their laird rang the bell. They fought > beside the laird, and what mattered was more his clan membership. > > Dora > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:25 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com ; Jenny Myers > Subject: [Lanark] Clan structure > > > http://www.clankeith-usa.org/clan-structure > > Jenny, did you come across this link in your research on your Keith > family? > > When I was growing up in Glasgow it seemed that there was a definite > demarcation line about who claimed to belong to a clan and who did not. > My > family had a mere smattering of Hielan’ names, McLean, McDougall and > Anderson, the last. Anderson, never had a ‘clan structure,’ per se. The > rest of my family names, particularly on my father’s side, were > Doonhamers...Southwest Scotland...with the merest smattering of English. > My mother’s side introduced some Irish but were assimilated, shall we > say, when they came to Glasgow in the very early 1800s. > > If I were to assign myself a geographic label it would be Lanarkshire, > as this is where ultimately both sides of my family settled a few > generations back. No clan association, therefore. Were I to choose, which one? > McLean on my father’s or McDougall on my mother’s side? > > As for me, myself and I? I’m just Glesga...though transplanted to > Canada and then USA so many years ago when I married my beloved Joe > (who died January 7 this year). Genealogically, his line of Irish. > German, Austrian has been difficult to trace, so it’s no wonder many > from this side of the pond just call themselves American. > > Maisie > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message