Thanks for this info, Iain. It looks as though the Theatre of War was officially "Palestine & Egypt" and must have been shortened to "Egypt". Best wishes, Sheena -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:56:34 +0100 From: "iain.mcneill" <iain.mcneill@ntlworld.com> A simple google search for "Egypt Theatre of war" yielded plenty. Try this one: http://john-dillon.co.uk/yorklancs/egypt.html it will give you quite a lot.

Thanks, Iain. Best wishes, Sheena -----Original Message----- From: "iain.mcneill" <iain.mcneill@ntlworld.com> Here's another: http://www.1914-1918.net/palestine.htm

To whom it may concern...... Gentlemen, sitting here in my lovely office in Brisbane Australia with the sun blasting through the windows I was alerted to the arrival of mail....'You have email!'. Unfortunately, for me, it was yours - not mine, and to save you future inaccuracies I thought I might make you aware of your undoubtedly small addressing error. Best regards, Alastair Macdonald. Steve Johnston wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > Many thanks for both your responses to my question about my GG grandfather > in WW1, and for sending the medal record. > > Yes, the person you identified is my ancestor. > > There is obviously a discrepancy between the date on the medal record and > that listed by the CWGC. The next time I visit the Scotland's people in > Edinburgh, I'll enquire about the War Deaths indexes. Thanks for that > guidance. > > As part of my ever on-going learning curve, can I ask how you accessed the > image of the medical record, and also what your source was for identifying > James's military details? > > Again, many thanks for your help. It's much appreciated. > > Steve > __________________ > Broughty Ferry > Scotland > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3012 - Release Date: 07/17/10 18:35:00 > >

Hi Sheena Theatre of War was a general area rather than a specific place There is a listing here for the WW1 medal cards http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp You will also find the place of death on WW1 soldiers death certificates is the theatre of War rather than the place itself, such as France & Flanders Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Can anyone tell me why the "Theatre of War" on my great-uncle's death > record > was given as "Egypt" when he is buried in the cemetery at Jerusalem? Was > "Egypt" simply a blanket term for the conflict in that part of the world? > (I would find that far more credible than the idea that they carted bodies > a > few hundred miles for burial.) > Best wishes, > Sheena Ireland

Hi Alistair You have received the mail posted to Lanark list as you are subscribed to the rootsweb Lanarkshire list Everyone subscribed to it will get the same mails as posted or replied to Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > To whom it may concern...... > > Gentlemen, sitting here in my lovely office in Brisbane Australia with > the sun blasting through the windows I was alerted to the arrival of > mail....'You have email!'. > > Unfortunately, for me, it was yours - not mine, and to save you future > inaccuracies I thought I might make you aware of your undoubtedly small > addressing error. > > Best regards, > > Alastair Macdonald.

Hi Nivard, Many thanks for both your responses to my question about my GG grandfather in WW1, and for sending the medal record. Yes, the person you identified is my ancestor. There is obviously a discrepancy between the date on the medal record and that listed by the CWGC. The next time I visit the Scotland's people in Edinburgh, I'll enquire about the War Deaths indexes. Thanks for that guidance. As part of my ever on-going learning curve, can I ask how you accessed the image of the medical record, and also what your source was for identifying James's military details? Again, many thanks for your help. It's much appreciated. Steve __________________ Broughty Ferry Scotland

Hi Sheena Here's another: http://www.1914-1918.net/palestine.htm Iain On 19/07/2010 01:57, Alan & Sheena Ireland wrote: > Can anyone tell me why the "Theatre of War" on my great-uncle's death record > was given as "Egypt" when he is buried in the cemetery at Jerusalem? Was > "Egypt" simply a blanket term for the conflict in that part of the world? > (I would find that far more credible than the idea that they carted bodies a > few hundred miles for burial.) > Best wishes, > Sheena Ireland > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3013 - Release Date: 07/18/10 07:35:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3013 - Release Date: 07/18/10 07:35:00

Hi Sheena A simple google search for "Egypt Theatre of war" yielded plenty. Try this one: http://john-dillon.co.uk/yorklancs/egypt.html it will give you quite a lot. Iain McNeill On 19/07/2010 01:57, Alan & Sheena Ireland wrote: > Can anyone tell me why the "Theatre of War" on my great-uncle's death record > was given as "Egypt" when he is buried in the cemetery at Jerusalem? Was > "Egypt" simply a blanket term for the conflict in that part of the world? > (I would find that far more credible than the idea that they carted bodies a > few hundred miles for burial.) > Best wishes, > Sheena Ireland > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3013 - Release Date: 07/18/10 07:35:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3013 - Release Date: 07/18/10 07:35:00

Can anyone tell me why the "Theatre of War" on my great-uncle's death record was given as "Egypt" when he is buried in the cemetery at Jerusalem? Was "Egypt" simply a blanket term for the conflict in that part of the world? (I would find that far more credible than the idea that they carted bodies a few hundred miles for burial.) Best wishes, Sheena Ireland

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> My GG Grandfather, who lived in Lesmahagow, died from wounds > received at the > Battle of Loos in September 1915. (James Lynch, 8th Battalion, > Black Watch). > > I've checked Scotland's People for a death certificate, > without success. > > I'm not even sure that death certificates were issued for > soldiers killed in > action, given that there were so many deaths on the Western > Front. I have found in Register House lots of death certificates for servicemen killed in action. They are usually in the Minor Records, and don't usually give the name of the parents or spouse like a normal Scottish death certificate does. The best source of information for war casualties is often the Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site www.cwgc.org. It might also be worth checking the soldiers' wills in the National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk. Anne

Hi Steve Deaths were certainly registered but not in the normal indexes The indexes you need are the War deaths indexes However the death certs for WW1 soldiers are very sparse in detail Usually Place of death = France and Flanders (or similar) Cause of death = KIA or died of wounds / disease etc And thats about it , so you may or may not decide to give it a miss Is this your man ? Name: James Lynch Birth Place: Kilwinning, Ayrshire Death Date: 20 Sep 1915 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Aldershot Rank: Private Regiment: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) Battalion: 8th (Service) Battalion Number: S/3657 Type of Casualty: Died of wounds Theatre of War: Western European Theatre Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My GG Grandfather, who lived in Lesmahagow, died from wounds received at > the > Battle of Loos in September 1915. (James Lynch, 8th Battalion, Black > Watch). > > I've checked Scotland's People for a death certificate, without success. > > I'm not even sure that death certificates were issued for soldiers killed > in > action, given that there were so many deaths on the Western Front. > > If anyone could point me in the right direction with respect to this > problem, I'd be very grateful. > > Many thanks, > > Steve Johnston > ____________________ > Broughty Ferry > Scotland

My GG Grandfather, who lived in Lesmahagow, died from wounds received at the Battle of Loos in September 1915. (James Lynch, 8th Battalion, Black Watch). I've checked Scotland's People for a death certificate, without success. I'm not even sure that death certificates were issued for soldiers killed in action, given that there were so many deaths on the Western Front. If anyone could point me in the right direction with respect to this problem, I'd be very grateful. Many thanks, Steve Johnston ____________________ Broughty Ferry Scotland

Thank you very much Rhoda I am still finding my way around Scotlands People and how it works, I think I now can download you have been very helpful I now know were to start looking again Many Thanks > From: overson12@btinternet.com > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:04:39 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fullarton: Archibald Fullarton > > Hi again Jayne > > I had a few spare credits on Scotlands People so decided to look at a couple > of death certificates. > > Catherine FULLARTON born 1859, who Anne mentioned in her earlier email, died > in Kilwinning on 8 January 1861, aged 15 months. Cause of death was > gastro-enteritis. However I looked at the certificate to find out if her > father was still alive. He was named on the death certificate as Archibald > FULLARTON, coal miner, deceased. The informant was Alexander DUNSE, Uncle, > of Annick Lodge, Irvine, Ayrshire. > > So I looked at the death certificate for the Archibald FULLARTON who died in > Kilwinning in 1859 (see my earlier email); and it was 'your' Alexander. He > died on 4 November 1859 aged 49. He had been suffering from dropsy due to > heart disease. His parents were named as Alexander FULLARTON, fisherman, > and Jean McGECHIE. The informant was once again Alexander DUNSE, > brother-in-law, of Annick Lodge, Irvine. Archibald was buried in Kilwinning > Church Yard. > > If the age on his death certificate is right, Archibald Fullarton would have > been 41 when he married Margaret McKillop which suggests that he may have > been married before. > > Alexander DUNSE married Margaret FULLARTON in 1852 in Old Monkland. > According to the 1861 Census, Margaret DUNSE (Fullarton) was born abt 1828 > in Kilhine, Argyllshire. (I don't recognise the place name). > > I will send you the two images off-list. > > > Rhoda > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

Hi Every one Could someone please help me as I am trying to find the parents of Archibald Fullarton who married Margaret McKillop Dec 1851 in the parish of Old Monkland, they had 2 children Donald abt. 1854 and Archibald Oct 1857 Many Thanks Jayne _________________________________________________________________ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/

Hi again Jayne I had a few spare credits on Scotlands People so decided to look at a couple of death certificates. Catherine FULLARTON born 1859, who Anne mentioned in her earlier email, died in Kilwinning on 8 January 1861, aged 15 months. Cause of death was gastro-enteritis. However I looked at the certificate to find out if her father was still alive. He was named on the death certificate as Archibald FULLARTON, coal miner, deceased. The informant was Alexander DUNSE, Uncle, of Annick Lodge, Irvine, Ayrshire. So I looked at the death certificate for the Archibald FULLARTON who died in Kilwinning in 1859 (see my earlier email); and it was 'your' Alexander. He died on 4 November 1859 aged 49. He had been suffering from dropsy due to heart disease. His parents were named as Alexander FULLARTON, fisherman, and Jean McGECHIE. The informant was once again Alexander DUNSE, brother-in-law, of Annick Lodge, Irvine. Archibald was buried in Kilwinning Church Yard. If the age on his death certificate is right, Archibald Fullarton would have been 41 when he married Margaret McKillop which suggests that he may have been married before. Alexander DUNSE married Margaret FULLARTON in 1852 in Old Monkland. According to the 1861 Census, Margaret DUNSE (Fullarton) was born abt 1828 in Kilhine, Argyllshire. (I don't recognise the place name). I will send you the two images off-list. Rhoda

Hi Jayne I think I have found Margaret living with her 2 sons in Kilwinning, Ayrshire in 1861. No sign of Archibald. Did he die before 1861? According to the death index on the Scotlands People website, the deaths of 5 Archibald Fullertons were registered from 1855 to 1861: 1855, age 22 (mother's maiden name LANG) registered in the district of Milton in Glasgow 1855, age 46 (mother's maiden name FULLARTON) registered in Kilbride, Bute 1858, age 40 (mother's maiden name STEWART) registered in Kilbride, Bute No age or mother's surname is given for the other 2 Archibalds. One of those deaths was registered in 1859 Kilwinning, Ayrshire (where Margaret was living in 1861). If the 1859 Kilwinning death was that of your Archibald Fullarton, the death registration should give the names of his parents, including the maiden name of his mother (assuming the informant knew the names). The image may be downloaded from the site which is a pay site. See: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayne fullarton" <jaynefullarton@live.com.au> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: [Lanark] Fullarton > > Hi Every one > > Could someone please help me as I am trying to find the parents of > Archibald Fullarton who married Margaret McKillop Dec 1851 in the parish > of Old Monkland, they had 2 children Donald abt. 1854 and Archibald Oct > 1857 > Many Thanks > > Jayne

> Could someone please help me as I am trying to find the > parents of Archibald > Fullarton who married Margaret McKillop Dec 1851 in the parish > of Old Monkland, > they had 2 children Donald abt. 1854 and Archibald Oct 1857 I see from the International Genealogical Index at www.familysearch.org that they also had Alexander, born 3 October 1855 and Catherine, born 1 October 1859, both in Ayrshire. The important question is, did Archibald Sr die in Scotland? If you think that he did, go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and invest in a few credits. Use six credits to look for Margaret's death. It will be indexed under both her maiden and her married name. The death certificate will tell you where she died, the names of her parents, and whether or not Archibald died before her. Use this information to narrow the search for Archibald's death certificate, which will cost you another six credits and should tell you the names of his parents. You may need to restrict the search for the death certificate in the indexes to get the number of results down to one page (25 results or fewer). Do this by putting a minimum age of say 20 in the search box, and bear in mind that he must have been born before about 1835 to be old enough to marry in 1851. This should narrow the search down to a manageable number. Good luck! Anne

This will require some digging. I found Margaret's death in 1888 age 64 in Armadale, she's listed as a widower her son Donald was the informant. It states her parents were Donald McKillop and Catherine Rowan. If you wish a copy of this registration email me. In 1881 I found who I believe is her in Ayr as a widow with her son Archibald (also a coal miner). I looked for a death of an Archibald 1855-1888 and there are many. You will need to go through the death's on Scot's People and find out which is him. I can tell you the one in Ayr is not the one you seek...I looked. Good hunting. Don Muirhead

Hello list After another search on Scotlands people for Alexander Reid born 1857 + or - 5 , I cannot find Alexander. I found one born 1848 living in Newcastle on Tyne on the IGI living with his brother James and James wife Janet. I found that family by searching for Alexander born 1850 + or - 10 ,the search returned 4 Alexander Reids. The first two were on the US cencus, # was the only one on the 1881 British Cencus. I cannot find that Alexander on the IGI. Bob Census - 1881 British Census 3. Alexander REID - 1881 British Census / Northumberland Brother Gender: Male Birth: <1848> Scotland Matches: Census/1881 British Census - 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- International Genealogical Index - British Isles 4. ALEXANDER REID - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 02 JUN 1845 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland 5. ALEXANDER REID - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 26 APR 1858 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 6. Alexander Reid - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 02 JUN 1845 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland 7. Alexander Reid - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 1850 Nether Buckie, Rathven, Banff, Scotland Matches: International Genealogical Index/British Isles - 4