Good morning, I'm stuck and looking for some suggestions. I know the date of my great grandmother Catherine PURDIE's birth to be 9 November 1859. Her parents were William PURDIE, joiner, and Agnes HARVIE or BOAG. I've also found the name spelled HARVEY and found her called Ann. Searching the LDS site with this information I found Catherine had a brother, Thomas Harvey PURDIE born 12 July 1863. Now to the Census. The only Catherine PURDIE I could find in 1861 had brothers and a sister who I couldn't account for. Then Anne suggested that BOAG could be the name from a previous marriage and learning that Ann/Agnes was a widow when she married William confirmed it. Now the family in the 1861 Census makes sense. William is a joiner, the wife's name is Agnes, age difference is just about right, and Catherine is 2. My working hypothesis (assuming nothing) is that the other children (Elizabeth 1846, James 1848, and William 1851) are Catherine's half siblings. Their ages would fit the second marriage theory too......a 10 year old and then *poof* a 2 year old. My problem is that I can't find this family anywhere else, either as a unit or separately. And to confuse things even more, my great aunt said that her mother was an orphan raised by the Logan family. I can't find any evidence of that but I do find a Catherine PURDIE living with the FAIREST family in 1871. No sign of the other 3 children. I was hoping I'd find at least one of them in 1851, with William and his first wife. Zip. When I look at what I've just typed I realize I know far more than I ever thought I would but I'd like to know the rest. I'd appreciate any suggestions and ideas about where else to look. Thanks. Jeanne

Whoops, I am sorry, I didn't even realise that Scotlands People had the census images, & I'd quite forgotten about FreeCen. :-[ Thanks to Charles & FreeCen I've now found more family members. Thanks to Charles also for deciphering Midmar, Aberdeen. There were 457 people whose address in 1851 (on Ancestry) is given as 'U P Chapel Essa Michell Church", Carnwath so I doubt that it can be a transcription error & as some of them were gentry, employers or Independent, it can't have been a Workhouse. I'll try Scotlands People. I'm grateful for all your responses. Rosemary in Western Australia Nivard Ovington wrote: > I think we knew the answer beforehand didn't we Anne > >

Sorry, Anne, they are from Ancestry's transcriptions which I know are sometimes inaccurate, but it would be quite a long process for me to access the actual images on LDS films. Anne Burgess wrote: > Are these your readings of the original census images or are they from a transcription? >

Hello Listers On the 1851 census Peter SMITH of Carnwath is recorded as born c1775 at "Mich Mass, Aberdeen". On the 1851 census, Marion BROWN was living with 2 of her sons at "U P Chapel Essa Michell Church", Carnwath. (I suppose that UP was United Presbyterian?) Does anyone have any idea where these places were? Thankyou Rosemary

In a message dated 8/9/2010 4:49:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kenharrison43@shaw.ca writes: Although ones like this are unfortunately not common, it is a goldmine. My only advice is: never assume anything! I couldn't agree with you more, Ken. I struck gold twice this weekend. I've got the original Proclamation of Banns from 1857, recording my gg grandparents' marriage. When I found the record of the same marriage on SP, I purchased it even though I assumed I wasn't going to learn much more. But there I found the names of the parents of the bride and groom as well as the fact that he was a widower and she was a widow at the time of their marriage. More happy prowling! Jeanne

In my opinion you cannot assume anything about Alex Johnstone from the marriage entry. He might be Christian's grandfather, or an uncle or a brother. It's even possible, though rather less likely, that he is no relation at all. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <TwoSides22@aol.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 4:20 PM Subject: [Lanark] Marriage record > Good morning, > > I have a question about one of the names in a marriage record > from 1816. > It reads: > > John MCGILL, Blacksmith, Panmoors close Canongate, Hunter's > land, ground > story, and Christian JOHNSTONE, parish of West Linton, > Daughter of Robt. > JOHNSTONE, Cattle-dealer there, gave up their names for > marriage. Certified > by Thomas MCGILL, Smith, Panmoor close Canongate, and Alex > JOHNSTON(E), > Flesher Maitland Street, Edin. > > My question is about Alex JOHNSTON(E). Since the fathers of > the bride and > groom are listed, do I assume this is the grandfather of > Christian or could > it be some other family member?

> I think we knew the answer beforehand didn't we Anne We suspected correctly, but we didn't actually know for certain. Anne

> Sorry, Anne, they are from Ancestry's transcriptions which I > know are sometimes inaccurate, but it would be quite a long > process for me to access the actual images on LDS films. You should be able to access images of the originals in just a few minutes on www.scotlanspeople.gov.uk for less than what it would cost you to rent the relevant films via the LDS. Once you have the image, if you still can't decipher the place names, please feel free to send me the image and I will see if I can suggest somewhere. Best wishes Anne

I think we knew the answer beforehand didn't we Anne Name: Peter Smith Age: 82 Estimated birth year: abt 1769 Relationship: Head Spouse's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Mich Mass, Aberdeen Parish Number: 632 Civil parish: Carnwath County: Lanarkshire Address: Camend Occupation: Joiner ED: 2 Page: 8 Household schedule number: 28 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_151 Household Members: Name Age Peter Smith 82 Margaret Smith 55 Source Citation: Parish: Carnwath; ED: 2; Page: 9; Line: 8; Roll 734; Year: 1851. Name: Margt Brown Age: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1802 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Whitburn, Linlithgow Parish Number: 632 Civil parish: Carnwath Town: Carnwath County: Lanarkshire Address: U P Chapel Essa Michell Church Occupation: Drepmaker ED: 1 Page: 41 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 173 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1851_151 Household Members: Name Age James Brown 55 Margt Brown 49 Margt Brown 23 Jane Brown 13 Margt T Hunter 2 Catherine Brown 8 Source Citation: Parish: Carnwath; ED: 1; Page: 13; Line: 41; Roll 924; Year: 1851. Rosemary the transcription on Ancestry whilst being very useful is heavily flawed with errors so it is essential that you view the original page which you can do via scotlandspeople, armed with the transcript its not to expensive at 1.20gbp per page You may be able to discern the correct birthplace from the page image Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> On the 1851 census Peter SMITH of Carnwath is recorded as born >> c1775 at >> "Mich Mass, Aberdeen". >> >> On the 1851 census, Marion BROWN was living with 2 of her sons >> at "U P >> Chapel Essa Michell Church", Carnwath. (I suppose that UP was >> United >> Presbyterian?) >> >> Does anyone have any idea where these places were? > > Are these your readings of the original census images or are > they from a transcription? > > Anne

> On the 1851 census Peter SMITH of Carnwath is recorded as born > c1775 at > "Mich Mass, Aberdeen". > > On the 1851 census, Marion BROWN was living with 2 of her sons > at "U P > Chapel Essa Michell Church", Carnwath. (I suppose that UP was > United > Presbyterian?) > > Does anyone have any idea where these places were? Are these your readings of the original census images or are they from a transcription? Anne

----- Original Message ----- From: "Angus Alston" <aalston@chariot.net.au> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Selkrig > Hi, > > Does anyone know the parents of the Janet > Selkridg/Selkrig/Selcrig/Selerig who married Alexander Lightbody > around 1740. I don't know where they were married, but the births of > their children were recorded in the parish of Dalziel. Alexander was > born in Dalziel in 1713. > > Thanks > > Angus > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Angus Alston" <aalston@chariot.net.au> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Selkrig > Hi, > > Does anyone know the parents of the Janet > Selkridg/Selkrig/Selcrig/Selerig who married Alexander Lightbody > around 1740. I don't know where they were married, but the births of > their children were recorded in the parish of Dalziel. Alexander was > born in Dalziel in 1713. > > Thanks > > Angus > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

G'day Bob, Thanks for those entries, but I already have the BVRI2. My problem is that there has been a widespread use of the much more common alternative of SELKIRK which makes the wheat sorting very difficult. Should there be no positive assistance, then I will have to resort to a parish by parish check to try putting all variants of the name into family units. Thanks for your interest. Bill > A few BIVRI2 entries that may be of interest. > > Bob > Cdn > >

Hi, Does anyone know the parents of the Janet Selkridg/Selkrig/Selcrig/Selerig who married Alexander Lightbody around 1740. I don't know where they were married, but the births of their children were recorded in the parish of Dalziel. Alexander was born in Dalziel in 1713. Thanks Angus

Good morning, I have a question about one of the names in a marriage record from 1816. It reads: John MCGILL, Blacksmith, Panmoors close Canongate, Hunter's land, ground story, and Christian JOHNSTONE, parish of West Linton, Daughter of Robt. JOHNSTONE, Cattle-dealer there, gave up their names for marriage. Certified by Thomas MCGILL, Smith, Panmoor close Canongate, and Alex JOHNSTON(E), Flesher Maitland Street, Edin. My question is about Alex JOHNSTON(E). Since the fathers of the bride and groom are listed, do I assume this is the grandfather of Christian or could it be some other family member? Thanks. Jeanne

This is a good example to all of us, not to assume that no useful information will be found in an old marriage record. Although ones like this are unfortunately not common, it is a goldmine. My only advice is: never assume anything! I would think it more likely that Alex was a brother, but this new part of the jigsaw puzzle will keep you happily prowling for some time! Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TwoSides22@aol.com Sent: August 9, 2010 8:21 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Marriage record Good morning, I have a question about one of the names in a marriage record from 1816. It reads: John MCGILL, Blacksmith, Panmoors close Canongate, Hunter's land, ground story, and Christian JOHNSTONE, parish of West Linton, Daughter of Robt. JOHNSTONE, Cattle-dealer there, gave up their names for marriage. Certified by Thomas MCGILL, Smith, Panmoor close Canongate, and Alex JOHNSTON(E), Flesher Maitland Street, Edin. My question is about Alex JOHNSTON(E). Since the fathers of the bride and groom are listed, do I assume this is the grandfather of Christian or could it be some other family member? Thanks. Jeanne -------------------------------

Thanks Anne, that was really what I meant regarding the "prolific entries of SELKIRK". Bill On 8/08/2010 6:03 PM, Anne Burgess wrote: >> I am interested in >> the SELKRIGs etc from the Carluke/Dalserf/Cambusnethan area. >> >> Because of the prolific entries of SELKIRK, I have been unable >> to put my >> line together, having a few candidates with William and John >> families. >> > George F Black's 'The Surnames of Scotland' says, "Selkrig - See > Selkirk". Most of the early references he cites are variations > on Selkrig rather than Selkirk, and he also cites one spelled > Celcraig. > > So it's quite possible that some of your Selkrigs are listed as > Selkirk and vice versa. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

G'day Ken , Further to your email to George about your RUSSELLs, I am interested in the SELKRIGs etc from the Carluke/Dalserf/Cambusnethan area. Because of the prolific entries of SELKIRK, I have been unable to put my line together, having a few candidates with William and John families. The specific family is Elizabeth SELKRIG born 1739 Dalserf who married John DAVIDSON in 1754 at Cambusnethan. I have her parents as William SELKRIG and Isobell WATSON but am unable to find marriage details for them. Would you have any record of this family or suggest where they might just fit into your line? Many Thanks, Bill Melbourne, Oz On 8/08/2010 2:18 AM, Ken Harrison wrote: > George, > > Thank you for your information, and perspective on the area. > > You say that you live in Carluke, and that your family has lived in the area > for a long time. I wonder whether they may be connected with my own > Russells, who I have found in Carstairs and area in the mid 1600s: William > Russell (father& son), the son married Susanna Stark in 1679 and they had > at least 3 children: James, Janet& Marion. Marion is in my line; she > married John Selchrig, and one of their 5 children, Susanna, married James > Smellie. > > Ken Harrison > North Vancouver, Canada > >

Page 22 No. of Householder's Schedule Names of Street, Place, or Road, and Name or No. of House Name and Surname of each Person who abode in the house, on the Night of the 30th March, 1851 Relation to Head of Family Condition Age of Males Age of Females Rank, Profession, or Occupation Where Born Whether Blind, or Deaf-and-Dumb 78 4 James Forsyth Head Mar 29 Miner (Coal) Lanark Airdrie Agnes do Wife Mar 29 Argyle Kilfimchan Mathew do Son U 9 Scholar Lanark Airdrie Sarah do Daur 7 Do Do, do Neil do Son 5 Do, do Robert do Son 3 Do, do Archibald do Son 4mo Do, do79 5 John Paterson Head Mar 42 Miner (Iron) Stirling Polmont Margaret do Wife Mar 37 Linlithgow Ricarton James do Son U 16 Do, do Lanark Old Monkland Peter do Son U 14 Do, do Do, do John do Son 11 Scholar Do, do William do Son 9 Do Do, do George do Son 6 Do Do, do Elisabeth do Daur 2 Do, do Jean do Daur 2weeks Do, do80 6 William McKinlay Head Mar 36 Miner (Iron) Ireland Agnes do Wife Mar 36 Do Alexander do Son U 14 Do, do DoTotal of Houses I3 Total of Persons 13 6Page 23 No. of Householder's Schedule Names of Street, Place, or Road, and Name or No. of House Name and Surname of each Person who abode in the house, on the Night of the 30th March, 1851 Relation to Head of Family Condition Age of Males Age of Females Rank, Profession, or Occupation Where Born Whether Blind, or Deaf-and-Dumb Robert McKinlay Son U 12 Miner Ireland William do Son 9 Scholar Do Samuel do Son 7mo Lanark N Monkland81 Thomas Hassett Head Mar 34 County Police Ireland Mary Ann do Wife Mar 35 Do Peter G do Son 1 Lanark Old Monkland Hugh do Brother U 20 Miner (iron) Ireland82 7 Andrew Gilchrist Head Mar 38 Smith Midlothian Liberton Janet do Wife Mar 38 Selkirk Isabella do Daur U 13 Scholar Lanark N Monkland James do Son 11 Miner Do, do Robina do Daur 8 Scholar Do, do Andrew do Son 6 Do Do, do Alexander do Son 3 Do, do83 John Yeats Head Mar 36 Lab (pithead) Lanark N Monkland Agnes do Wife Mar 34 Renfrew Mearns William Dow Lodger U 20 Miner (iron) Stirling FalkirkTotal of Houses I1 Total of Persons 12 5Page 24 No. of Householder's Schedule Names of Street, Place, or Road, and Name or No. of House Name and Surname of each Person who abode in the house, on the Night of the 30th March, 1851 Relation to Head of Family Condition Age of Males Age of Females Rank, Profession, or Occupation Where Born Whether Blind, or Deaf-and-Dumb 84 8 Robert Barr Head Mar 48 Miner Coal Glasgow Barony Margaret do Wife Mar 42 Ireland James do Son U 18 Do, do Lanark N Monkland Margaret do Daur U 15 Do, do David do Son U 14 Do, do Do, do Agnes do Daur 11 Do, do Robert do Son 8 Scholar Do, do Margaret do Daur 4 Do, do85 9 Robert Shanks Head Widr 43 Hand Loom Weaver (Cotton) Lanark Airdrie Margaret do Daur U 15 House keeper Do N Monkland Robert do Son 9 Weaver (Cotton) Do, do George do Son 6 Scholar at home Do, do Alexander do Son 4 Do, do Do, do John do Son 1 Do, do86 Thomas McAllister Head Mar 26 Miner (Coal) Lanark Old Monkland Margaret do Wife Mar 28 Argyle Kilfinichan Sarah do Daur U 6 Scholar Lanark N Monkland John do Son 5 Do, do Mary do Daur 3 Do, doTotal of Houses I2 Total of Persons 11 8Page 25 No. of Householder's Schedule Names of Street, Place, or Road, and Name or No. of House Name and Surname of each Person who abode in the house, on the Night of the 30th March, 1851 Relation to Head of Family Condition Age of Males Age of Females Rank, Profession, or Occupation Where Born Whether Blind, or Deaf-and-Dumb Margaret McAllister Daur 2 Lanark N Monkland Hugh McKinnon Lodger U 22 Miner (Iron) Argyle Kilfinechan87 10 Agnes Shanks Head W 60 Grocer Dumbarton Cadder John do Son Widr 29 Shop keeper Lanark N Monkland Elisabeth do Daur U 26 Do, do George do Son U 23 Grocer Do, do David do Son U 20 Student in Divinity Do, do88 11 Peter Gibson Head Mar 53 Shoe Maker Stirling Jean do Wife Mar 52 Do Peter do Son U 15 Shoe Maker Dumbartonshire 89 John Hogg Head Mar 44 Miner (Coal) British Colonies Ann do Wife Mar 42 Lanark Isabella do Daur U 7 Scholar Do Airdrie Robert do Son 7 Do Do New Monkland Ann do Daur 5 Do Do, do Hendry do Son 3 Do, do Andrew do Son 11mo Do, do End of the Village of WatstonTotal of Houses I2 Total of Persons 10 7

Page 19 No. of Householder's Schedule Names of Street, Place, or Road, and Name or No. of House Name and Surname of each Person who abode in the house, on the Night of the 30th March, 1851 Relation to Head of Family Condition Age of Males Age of Females Rank, Profession, or Occupation Where Born Whether Blind, or Deaf-and-Dumb 69 Drumshangie David Laing Head Mar 35 Oversman Stirling Falkirk Helen do Wife Mar 29 Do, do James do Son U 13 Miner (Iron) Lanark N Monkland Mary do Daur 11 Scholar Do, do Isabella do Daur 8 Do Do, do Margaret do Daur 5 Do Do, do70 Hugh Ferguson Head Mar 37 Miner (coal Fife Blulrchail Janet do Wife Mar 34 Do Dunfermline Hugh do Son U 15 Do, do Clackmannan George do Son U 13 Do, do Do, do Betsy do Daur 9 Lanark New Monkland Jane do Daur 5 Do, do Janet do Daur 3 Do, do Archibald do Son 1 Do, do John Hunter Visitor U 22 Renfrewshire71 Drumgray Elisabeth Beverage Head W 55 House keeper Lanark Carnwath Mary Black Daur 9 Do Old Monkland James Beverage Lodger U 37 Lab pithead Do Carnwath William Square Do U 30 Waggoner Stirling William Love Do U 20 Do Lanark N MonklandTotal of Houses I3 Total of Persons 10 10Page 20 No. of Householder's Schedule Names of Street, Place, or Road, and Name or No. of House Name and Surname of each Person who abode in the house, on the Night of the 30th March, 1851 Relation to Head of Family Condition Age of Males Age of Females Rank, Profession, or Occupation Where Born Whether Blind, or Deaf-and-Dumb 72 Drumgray Andrew Allan Head Widr 54 Farmer (of 60 acres) Lanark N Monkland Helen do Daur U 21 Do, do John do Son U 19 Farmers son Do, do Andrew do Son U 17 Do, do Do, do Janet do Daur 13 Do, do William do Son 11 Do, do73 Bridge House Andrew Erskine Head Mar 29 Lab (pithead) Stirling Falkirk Agnes do Wife Mar 28 Do, do Margaret do Daur 3 Do Polmont Elisabeth do Daur 1 Do, do74 William Brown Head Mar 37 Shoe Maker Stirling Slamannan Margaret do Wife Mar 37 Lanark N Monkland Ann do Daur 10 Scholar Do, do Janet do Daur 8 Do, do Margaret do Daur 6 Do, do Robert do Son 5 Do, do Mary do Daur 3 Do, do Christina do Daur 11mo Do, doTotal of Houses I2 Total of Persons 7 11Page 21 No. of Householder's Schedule Names of Street, Place, or Road, and Name or No. of House Name and Surname of each Person who abode in the house, on the Night of the 30th March, 1851 Relation to Head of Family Condition Age of Males Age of Females Rank, Profession, or Occupation Where Born Whether Blind, or Deaf-and-Dumb 75 1 Robert Lechie Head Mar 64 Chelsea Pensioner Ireland Margaret do Wife Mar 58 Lanark Glasgow Helen do Daur U 21 Do New Monkland Thomas do Son U 17 Miner (Coal) Do, do Isabella do Daur U 14 Scholar Do, do James Johnston G Son U 14 Miner Coal Do, do76 2 John Kennedy Head Mar 60 Ag Lab Ireland Helen do Wife Mar 51 Ayrshire Girvan John Kennedy Son U 22 Miner Iron Do, do Helen do Daur U 18 Weaver (Muslin) Do, do Robert do Son U 14 Miner Do, do Sarah do Daur U 14 Weaver Do, do Rebecca do Daur 9 Dumbarton Cumbernauld77 3 Marion Paterson Head W 63 Annuitant Lanark Glasgow John do Son U 37 Handloom Weaver (Cotton) Do Airdrie James do Son U 35 Do, do Do, do William do Son U 31 Do, do Do, doTotal of Houses I3 Total of Persons 9 8