Found only this entry, no others in these files A look in the FHC films in and round these years may give up some data. Bob Cdn ------------------------ STEEL, Elisabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 15 Oct 1820 Christening Date: 30 Oct 1820 Recorded in: Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Father: James STEEL Mother: Bethea WILSON Source: FHL Film 1066597 Dates: 1692 - 1844 ========================= On 16/08/2010 7:22 PM, Carolyn Perkes wrote:<SNIP>...I am interested in an Elis/zabeth Steel, aged 50 in the 1871 UK Census for Glasgow, born 30 October 1820, Lesmahagow, Lanark, possibly the daughter of James Steel and Bethea Wilson,... ======================

> Hi Bill > > I am an avid MAC user and have been for at least 15 years +. > > I have used the PAF for MAC initially and found it to be great. > I bought it because it was cheap as I was not sure if I would > continue on with my Family History. However, as you probably > know by now, it is very addictive. > > So I ventured into to Leister's program called "Reunion for MAC". > Wonderful program!!!!!! Look it up on the Leister site: > > > http://www.leisterpro.com/ > > > My information came across beautifully using the GEDCOM feature > of PAF. Reunion for MAC can be purchased in various outlets but > I downloaded my recent upgrade from the Leister (US) site. > Wonderful backup too from the business people. > > Actually, another user and I are about to give a talk on this subject > to our local MacTalk Hunter Group (Newcastle NSW AUS) soon. > > If you need more info, just contact me. > > Sincerely ...... Carole >

Thank you very much for the detailed description of the job of coal Pithead Man, and the context! Best regards, Carolyn On 15-Aug-10, at 2:55 AM, G Russell wrote: > A 'pithead man' is a surface worker - (...) > > G Russell > Carluke, S. Lanarkshire >

I see several references in Jim Bundy's Note 82 to Omoa Iron Works and Omoa New Town. Are those 2 different locations? Our ancestor, George Russell, born 1848 to George Russell and Elizabeth George, has his birthplace memorialized on his 1916 grave marker in Pennsylvania as "Omoa, Scotland." I always thought that would be near the Iron Works. His father is said to have died at Scarhill nearby. Judy Russell Bogart, Georgia, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@frontier.com> To: <LANARK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 10:55 PM Subject: [Lanark] Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 82 >> Page 69 >> 1811 John Ross smith at ***Omoa Iron Works*** and residing at Downegreen >> & Janet >> Jack Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 22d March & baptized here >> the 7th April & Named Euphemia Ross >> 1811 James Inglis shoemaker Feuar ***Omoa New Town*** & Janet Nisbet >> Spouse had >> a Daughter born there upon the first day of April and baptized & Named >> Janet Inglis

> Page 69 > 1811 John Ross smith at Omoa Iron Works and residing at Downegreen & Janet > Jack Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 22d March & baptized here > the 7th April & Named Euphemia Ross > 1811 William Adam coalier Omoa Iron Works and Marion Ross Spouse had a son > born there upon Tuesday the 19th March and Baptized here the 7th April and > Named James Adam > 1811 Alexander Anderson mason residing at Barblues and Janet Hill Spouse > had a Daughter born there upon Sunday the seventeenth day of March & > baptized here the 7th April and Named Isobel Anderson > 1811 James Waddell gardener at Murdoston and Elisabeth Trotter Spouse had > a Daughter born there upon the Sixteenth day of March and baptized the 2d > April & Named Christian Waddell > 1811 Malcom Finlayson moulder at Shotts Works and Elisabeth Donaldson > Spouse had a Son born there upon the Thirteenth day of February & baptized > the 11th April and Named Thomas Finlayson > 1811 Thomas Aston farmer Northridge and Isobel Pender Spouse had a > Daughter born there upon the 28th Feby & baptized the 11 April and Named > Janet Alston > > 1811 James Montgomerie farmer Craigend had a son born upon the nineteenth > day of March Margaret Stewart Spouse and baptized the 5 day of May and > Named James Montgomerie > 1811 James Powrey moulder at Shotts Iron Works and Mary Nisbet Spouse had > a Daughter born there upon the fifteenth day of May & baptized here the 2d > June & Named Susanna Powrey > 1811 James Sinclair smith Shotts Iron Works and Isobel Thomson Spouse had > a Daughter born there upon the 21st day of March and baptized here the > 26th May and Named Isobel Sinclair > 1811 James Neilson weaver at Pleasana of Moffethills and Jacobina Smith > Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 15th May & baptized the 26th May > & Named Agnes Neilson > 1811 John Craig farmer Bothwellshields and Janet McNair Spouse had a Son > born there upon the 17th day of May and baptized the 16th June & Named > John Craig > 1811 John Walkenshaw tailor Salisburgh and Jane Russell Spouse had a Son > born there upon the 17th May & baptized the 16th June & Named William > Walkenshaw > Page 70 > 1811 Alexander McNab farmer at Shotts Iron Works and Helen Ferguson Spouse > had a Son born there upon the third day of June & baptized & 16th said > Month and Named James McNab > 1811 James Inglis shoemaker Feuar Omoa New Town & Janet Nisbet Spouse had > a Daughter born there upon the first day of April and baptized & Named > Janet Inglis > 1810 John Strathearn weaver Harthill & Margaret Russell Spouse had a Son > born there upon the Twenty ninth day of Decr and baptized and Named John > Strathearn > 1811 john Montgomerie engine Fireman at Shotts Iron Works and Carolina Kay > Spouse had a Son born there upon the twenty Eighth day of April & baptized > the 8th May & Named James Montgomerie > 1810 John Laurie farmer in Bankend and Elisabeth Dick Spouse had a Son > born there upon the fifteenth day of August & baptized here the 23 June > 1811 and Named George Laurie > 1811 Angus McArthur coalier at Omoa New Town and Elisabeth Adam Spouse had > a Daughter born there upon the Twenty fifth day of May & baptized here the > 23d June and Named Marion McArthur > > 1811 John Dalziel farmer in Swinstie & Ann Bell Spouse had a Daughter born > upon the Sixteenth day of March and baptized and Named Christian Dalziel > 1811 John Jeffray tenant in Shank-know head & Margaret Gardner Spouse had > a Daughter born there upon the fourth day of May & baptized the 7th May & > Named Margaret Jeffray > 1811 Thomas Callendar moulder Shotts Iron Works & Lillias Sievewright > Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the tenth day of June & baptized > upon the fifth day of July & Named Lillias Callendar > 1811 David Black of New Mill and Margaret Thomson Spouse had a Daughter > born there upon the fourth day of June and baptized upon the 9th July and > Named Catherine Black > 1808 William Steell of Liquo & Janet Cleland Spouse had a Daughter born > there upon the fourth day of February and baptized 28th same month 1808 > and Named Isobel Steell > Page 71 Births Baptisms > 1811 John Anderson tailor in Shottsburn and Elisabeth Clark Spouse had a > Daughter born there upon the Twenty first day of Augt & baptized the 22d > Septmr and Named Mary Anderson > 1811 Alexander McCarter farmer in Castlehill and Agnes Millar Spouse had a > Son born there upon the Eighteenth day of September & baptized upon the > 25th of that Month and Named David McCarter > 1811 William Smith tenant in Badleith and Mary Orr Spouse had a Daughter > born there upon the Thirteenth day of September & Baptized upon the 22d > same Month and named Janet Smith > 1811 Malcom McCallum weaver at Craigend of Easter Moffat & Janet Campbell > Spouse had a son born there upon the Seventeenth day of Augt and Baptized > the 22d Septr and Named Dugald Campbell McCallum > >

I noticed the name Russell and the link to Carluke, do you by any remote chance have any link to William Russell and Elizabeth Bennett who married in Kinross in 1878 but lived at Lochleven, 22 Market Road, Carluke. Elizabeth died at that address on 29th January 1942. Elizabeth was the sister of my husband's great grandfather. Kind Regards Jeanette

>>Currently all of my genealogy files (PAF and Ancestral Quest) are PC >>based.<< Bill, If Ancestral Quest is able to be run on your MAC without loosing any of its attributes keep with it! I wouldn't use anything else other than Legacy if I had to do away with my AQ. If Don and Frank say there is a program to run on MAC to use what you already have it is good enough recomendation, asking off list they might talk you through the process. Recommending other programs is not the issue, it is being able to run with what you already have and are satisfied with. So many FT programs are updated and modified only to be less user friendly in many ways. I use my original AQ and AQ11, I didn't upgrade to 12 as there are a couple of minor updates I didn't like in AQ11, so, "why fix something that ain't broke" as the saying goes. Maisie's FTM transfer was a warning to all when she upgraded to her new computer (not a MAC), there were so many lost files that she says she wouldn't have enough years left to try and rewrite all the data that was lost or didn't transfer. Regards Jenny An Ancestral Quest user for approx. 30 yrs without any problems transferring with GEDs or uploading to newer computers over the years.

A 'pithead man' is a surface worker - i.e. he didn't go underground, but worked moving and emptying the 'hutches' (mine waggons) or maybe on the sorting tables picking out stones among the coal ( earlier this would be done by women and children ). He might also have to 'brush out' (sometimes called 'redding up') coal dust from machinery (especially the cage / shaft gear etc) and keep bearings lubricated ... When the 'tally' system was in use, where teams of miners (often brothers and sons), worked together on a 'contract' to mine a certain amount of coal in a certain time, then the family's 'Pithead Man' (another relative) would keep careful record ( a tally) of the hutches of coal sent up to the surface by that 'team', and their total weight in that working day or 'shift'. Each hutch would be marked (carefully) by the youngest member of the 'team' underground and the Pithead Man would recognise that mark and supervise the weighing and recording. Disputes over 'altered' marks etc were common and it would be up to the Pithead Man for the 'contractor' ( often the oldest man working in the team ) to make sure they were credited for all the coal dug out. Their wages ( as a contracted 'team' ) depended on accurate and timely 'tallys'. Sometimes, through illness or injury, a miner would only be employed as a 'Pithead Man' in his later years - but such work was paid at far lower rates ... Later on, in the 20th C this distinction between surface work, mining and 'road driving' (tunneling) was perpetuated in wage rates and other payments / benefits. G Russell Carluke, S. Lanarkshire

Dear list members, I am just starting to investigate another Scots branch in my tree, and am wondering if anyone here is searching McMunn and/or Wharrie lines in Lanark. Mary McMunn married James Steel Wharrie on January 1, 1900 at 6a Gateside Street, Hamilton, Lanark. James Steel Wharrie was born 27 March, 1874, Lesmahagow. These are my great-grandparents. Mary McMunn's father was James McMunn, a coal miner (pithead man?); her mother was Agnes Simpson. I have a copy of a family photo of James McMunn, his wife Agnes Simpson and their children, most likely taken in the mid -1880s. I have made some progress with the Wharrie line, but have yet to discover more about my Steels, McMunns and Simpsons. Thank you for listening. Kind regards, Carolyn Perkes *************************************************************************************************************** Carolyn Perkes, PhD French > English translation Education, Environment, Public and Professional Affairs, Communications, Children's Literature Montréal, Québec, Canada

I think we've let this off topic discussion of genealogy software and such go on long enough. It is off topic for multiple reasons and there are lists where it is appropriate, so please bring the list discussion back to Lanark history and genealogy. Thank you for your cooperation. David E. Cann lanark-admin@rootsweb.com Admin of the Lanarkshire, Scotland mailing list on RootsWeb List information: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html

Hi Margaret, Freda, and all, I'm no genius on the computer either, but I seem to learn what I need to know to do what I want to do. What I don't want to do is crash the computer and that seems to be a running theme with FTM 2010. I still haven't decided what program or operating system to use. I'm really getting a lot out of this discussion too and hope it will help me to decide. Jeanne In a message dated 8/14/2010 7:14:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, margmcnab@rogers.com writes: I hope I haven't confused anyone. The ones I had are FTM 2006 FTM 2008 then FTM 2009 and then FTM 2010. <snip> Having said that I am not a genius on the computer so it could have been me.!! Cheers. Margaret

We responded to this thread, but sent it to Don instead. So here is our second try. f you are looking to change programs, you might want to take a look at The Master Genealogist. We believe it to be one of the best - it is a very flexible program and allows you to organize data just about any way you can dream of. You can download a free trial version of the complete program at www.whollygenes.com. The support is tremendous and there is also a mailing list like this one with genealogy and software gurus able and willing to assist. There is also a bridge feature which allows you to transfer data from other programs with minimal or no loss. There is also an independent program that creates web pages and CDs that is very user friendly. We have used the program for many years and are obviously sold on its merits Kathy  & Larry McCurdy

I hope I haven't confused anyone. The ones I had are FTM 2006  FTM 2008 then  FTM 2009 and then FTM 2010. I still have them. Fortunately I only installed them on my desk top.I didn't install them on my lap top. That was how I knew some of the information was missing and went back to my lap top and FTM 2006. Having said that I am not a genius on the computer so it could have been me.!! Cheers. Margaret - From: MARC ARCHER <marcher56@att.net> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 6:41:34 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Computers & Genealogy programs Margaret,       Not to confuse readers, are you writing about version 2010, and version 2009, and version 2006?  I have version 9, and have had it since abt. 2000, but would like to buy version 10, not to be confused with FTM 2010.      I see them listed on ebay, and will probably buy mine there.   Marc --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Margaret McNab <margmcnab@rogers.com> wrote: From: Margaret McNab <margmcnab@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Computers & Genealogy programs To: lanark@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 6:19 PM Hi Jeanne, I installed and tried FTM 9.I did not find it friendly. Some one on the list  (I can't remember who) Said they had called FTM and had been told there was quite a few problems  with Version 9. I called  FTM and received version 10 at no charge. I installed it but still found problems with it. I went back to version 6 and I am quite happy with it. Would be interesting to hear comments from other listers Margaret Ontario Good morning all, This is a very relevant topic for me right now.  I love the pedigree  building program on Ancestry so I bought Family Tree Maker 2010.  It wasn't  quite as user friendly and not quite as computer friendly either.  After  about 24 hours my computer crashed and the error message suggested it was newly  installed software.  I removed it and didn't try again as Ancestry  advised.  So now I have to decide between trying another program for  my PC  or using my son's old MAC.  Any suggestions and/or reviews  would be appreciated.  And if it's not too off topic, what does it mean to  go parallel with programs? Thanks, Jeanne   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This has been an interesting and valuable conversation. I started out with FTN 3 and got along fine, upgrading as needed with no problems until I hit 9 with nothing but. It left behind a lot of information. After eventualy sorting out and getting it all back together, when I needed an upgrade I got talked into Version 16. For me that is the end of FTM. There were many suggestions from the supplier which did not work, I use my 'notes' section extensively and most of that was left behind abd had to be replaced as I caught up with the missing notes. As soon as I have time I am turning over to another program. I am keeping the comments made here for future reference. Thanks. Freda Stewart-Calgary, Alberta

Margaret,       Not to confuse readers, are you writing about version 2010, and version 2009, and version 2006?  I have version 9, and have had it since abt. 2000, but would like to buy version 10, not to be confused with FTM 2010.      I see them listed on ebay, and will probably buy mine there.   Marc --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Margaret McNab <margmcnab@rogers.com> wrote: From: Margaret McNab <margmcnab@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Computers & Genealogy programs To: lanark@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 6:19 PM Hi Jeanne, I installed and tried FTM 9.I did not find it friendly. Some one on the list  (I can't remember who) Said they had called FTM and had been told there was quite a few problems  with Version 9. I called  FTM and received version 10 at no charge. I installed it but still found problems with it. I went back to version 6 and I am quite happy with it. Would be interesting to hear comments from other listers Margaret Ontario Good morning all, This is a very relevant topic for me right now.  I love the pedigree  building program on Ancestry so I bought Family Tree Maker 2010.  It wasn't  quite as user friendly and not quite as computer friendly either.  After  about 24 hours my computer crashed and the error message suggested it was newly  installed software.  I removed it and didn't try again as Ancestry  advised.  So now I have to decide between trying another program for  my PC  or using my son's old MAC.  Any suggestions and/or reviews  would be appreciated.  And if it's not too off topic, what does it mean to  go parallel with programs? Thanks, Jeanne   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bill, I work on a Mac and only use Windows, running virtually under Parallels, to operate my translation database. So, as others have said, you could keeping using the genealogy software you are accustomed to. I recently bought Reunion software which is only Mac-compatible and am very pleased with it. According to the site, you can convert PAF and GEDCOM files into Reunion. http://www.leisterpro.com/index.php Carolyn

Hi Jeanne, I installed and tried FTM 9.I did not find it friendly. Some one on the list  (I can't remember who) Said they had called FTM and had been told there was quite a few problems  with Version 9. I called  FTM and received version 10 at no charge. I installed it but still found problems with it. I went back to version 6 and I am quite happy with it. Would be interesting to hear comments from other listers Margaret Ontario Good morning all, This is a very relevant topic for me right now.  I love the pedigree  building program on Ancestry so I bought Family Tree Maker 2010.  It wasn't  quite as user friendly and not quite as computer friendly either.  After  about 24 hours my computer crashed and the error message suggested it was newly  installed software.  I removed it and didn't try again as Ancestry  advised.  So now I have to decide between trying another program for  my PC  or using my son's old MAC.  Any suggestions and/or reviews  would be appreciated.  And if it's not too off topic, what does it mean to  go parallel with programs? Thanks, Jeanne

Almost all Win based programs run on newer Mac's if you install Boot Camp which is a software component that comes with every MAC. I have both Win and Mac PC's but prefer Mac for stability and run Legacy on it with no problems. Anything that runs with XP will run on a MAC. Is it hard to set-up? No, easier than Win7. Don -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TwoSides22@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:32 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Computers & Genealogy programs

Good morning all, This is a very relevant topic for me right now. I love the pedigree building program on Ancestry so I bought Family Tree Maker 2010. It wasn't quite as user friendly and not quite as computer friendly either. After about 24 hours my computer crashed and the error message suggested it was newly installed software. I removed it and didn't try again as Ancestry advised. So now I have to decide between trying another program for my PC or using my son's old MAC. Any suggestions and/or reviews would be appreciated. And if it's not too off topic, what does it mean to go parallel with programs? Thanks, Jeanne In a message dated 8/14/2010 12:15:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, frank@telusplanet.net writes: Hi Bill & all I really do not think you should do away with the best (Ancestral Quest)

If you are looking to change programs, you might want to take a look at The Master Genealogist. We believe it to be one of the best - it is a very flexible program and allows you to organize data just about any way you can dream of. You can download a free trial version of the complete program at www.whollygenes.com. The support is tremendous and there is also a mailing list like this one with genealogy and software gurus able and willing to assist. There is also a bridge feature which allows you to transfer data from other programs with minimal or no loss. There is also an independent program that creates web pages and CDs that is very user friendly. We have used the program for many years and are obviously sold on its merits Kathy  & Larry McCurdy --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Don Muirhead <muirhead@kwic.com> wrote: From: Don Muirhead <muirhead@kwic.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Computers & Genealogy programs To: lanark@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 12:49 PM Almost all Win based programs run on newer Mac's if you install Boot Camp which is a software component that comes with every MAC. I have both Win and Mac PC's but prefer Mac for stability and run Legacy on it with no problems. Anything that runs with XP will run on a MAC. Is it hard to set-up? No, easier than Win7. Don -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TwoSides22@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:32 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Computers & Genealogy programs   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message