It is possible when wandering around the West End and South Side to spot on the sandstone wall at the end of a street the old name of the street or road long since changed. I grew up in Laurel Street but when it was outside Glasgow it was known as Glenavon Terrace and at that time it would have been a terrace rather than a street because it was still tree lined when I was a boy. Mark -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RJ Paton Sent: 21 August 2010 09:15 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 5, Issue 217 Re Street Names As Glasgow expanded its boundaries it annexed many previously existing small burghs and villages who had all named their own streets - Many areas which are now considered part of Glasgow once existed independently , for example Govan, Partick, Pollokshaws, Bridgeton, Calton, Shettleston etc. When centralised under Glasgow this led to a number of duplications of street names and a massive renaming operation was undertaken. Have a look at http://www.douglasbrown.co.uk/stindex.html RJ Paton ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re Street Names As Glasgow expanded its boundaries it annexed many previously existing small burghs and villages who had all named their own streets - Many areas which are now considered part of Glasgow once existed independently , for example Govan, Partick, Pollokshaws, Bridgeton, Calton, Shettleston etc. When centralised under Glasgow this led to a number of duplications of street names and a massive renaming operation was undertaken. Have a look at http://www.douglasbrown.co.uk/stindex.html RJ Paton

Other URLs that deal with renaming of streets in Glasgow http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk/info-streetschanged1.html Pictures: http://tinyurl.com/2eqo7uv Placenames: http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/content/index.php?action=view&id=3 http://www.spns.org.uk/ Bob Cdn. ================

Thanks to everyone who offered information, insight, and ideas. I've learned a lot about Glasgow through a question I was hesitant to post because I thought it might be too trivial. I've also learned that no matter what the question is, the more information you give, the more you will get. I sent Maisie a copy of the death record with the street name in question on it, and she used other clues to solve the puzzle. And she had many layers of a thick skull to get through :-) A section of an old map on this page told the story. _http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=9r3k17ee76a51ppo115604ls 61&topic=293707.0_ (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=9r3k17ee76a51ppo115604ls61&topic=293707.0) Regarding that extra bit of information that's sometimes the key, is there anywhere to post images for the list to look at? AOL used to offer free space that could be used for such things but that's just one of the little extras that are gone. Thanks again. Jeanne

> The question > I  have now is, why would > there be  2 Gardner Streets in the same city; > the  one in Partick and the > one now named St. Peters.  They may have been in different districts, or different parishes. It's not uncommon to have duplication of street names in large cities. Ask any London cabbie! In fact the likelihood is that the change to St Peter's Street was made precisely because there were two streets with the same name and the city fathers wanted to prevent future confusion. Anne

Jeanne, In Glasgow Gardner Street is in Partick. However it would only have become part of Glasgow in the first decade of the 1900s when the Burgh of Partick like several others was swallowed up by the adjacent City of Glasgow. The tenement flats in Gardner Street date from the late 1800s and were populated by the lower middle class/upper working class, socially way above the sort of tenements you will have read about in the slum areas of the east end and Gorbals etc. I might add Gardner Street is still very much Gardner Street. It runs down to Dumbarton Road, one of Glasgow's major roads from the very middle class Dowanhill area and the even posher Hyndland. I grew up less than one mile from Gardner Street. If you ever watch "Taggart" the Scottish police drama series based in Glasgow, it frequently features Gardner Street in episodes. Hope this helps, Mark -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TwoSides22@aol.com Sent: 19 August 2010 22:07 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Gardner Street, Glasgow In a message dated 8/19/2010 4:50:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dawnsemple@hotmail.com writes: No problem - it just wasn't clear which Gardner St you had found. Well now I'm in a pickle. I've found the same Gardner Street in 1910 and 2010, and Maisie tells me this is in Partick. But Bob says that the street now called St. Peter's, in district C4, was once Gardner Street. I'm sure there couldn't have been 2 of them. Any suggestions? Jeanne ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi With the discussion of Gardner Street * 2, this is not unusual for two or more streets to have the same name where towns have grown and merged and become larger connurbations. I live on Lyndon Road in Birmingham and there are three of those - a nightmare where post is concerned unless the full post code is given. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <TwoSides22@aol.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Gardner Street > > > > In a message dated 8/20/2010 1:15:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > scotia19@optusnet.com.au writes: > > ....my wife assures me that Gardner street is/was in Partick. > > Bill Cook > > Thanks Bill. I've never been to Glasgow but I can agree with you that > Gardner Street was and is in Partick. The question I have now is, why > would > there be 2 Gardner Streets in the same city; the one in Partick and the > one now named St. Peters. My auld granny is helping me and I'm also > going to > keep searching for an answer. I'll let everyone know if and when I have > one. I don't want you all losing sleep over it ;-) > > Jeanne > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I am not from Glasgow, but having married a girl from Glasgow (Partick), I lived there for some time in the 60's, and my wife assures me that Gardner street is/was in Partick. I can agree with that, because when I did my driving test in Partick (in 1962), part of the test was the stop/start on the hill on Gardner Street. Regards, Bill Cook

In a message dated 8/20/2010 1:15:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scotia19@optusnet.com.au writes: ....my wife assures me that Gardner street is/was in Partick. Bill Cook Thanks Bill. I've never been to Glasgow but I can agree with you that Gardner Street was and is in Partick. The question I have now is, why would there be 2 Gardner Streets in the same city; the one in Partick and the one now named St. Peters. My auld granny is helping me and I'm also going to keep searching for an answer. I'll let everyone know if and when I have one. I don't want you all losing sleep over it ;-) Jeanne

Hello all, This link may help for streets that have changed names http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk/info-streetschanged1.html Cheers Andrew

No problem - it just wasn't clear which Gardner St you had found. I have many pics of the inside of the buildings and back garden which I would have offered if it had been the same street Dawn > From: TwoSides22@aol.com > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:02:45 -0400 > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Gardner Street, Glasgow > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2010 2:57:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dawnsemple@hotmail.com writes: > > > Hi jeanne > > Just checking if the renamed street Bob found is definitely the one you're > looking for? > > Hi Dawn, > > As you've probably already read, I was able to locate Gardner Street. I > appreciate the Internet more and more when I can visit Scotland (sort of) > without leaving the house. I have a few more street names that I can't quite > decipher and may ask for some more help in identifying them. > > > Thanks. > > Jeanne > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi jeanne Just checking if the renamed street Bob found is definitely the one you're looking for? When I was a student I lived at 59 Gardner St, so 51 was 2 doors down the hill (each block had a separate basement flat with it's own number). Those tenements would definitely have been there late 19th century. dawn > From: TwoSides22@aol.com > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:18:53 -0400 > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Gardner Street, Glasgow > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2010 2:08:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mail4winning@aol.co.uk writes: > > > Hi Jeanne, > > According to a list of renamed streets that I have from a Glasgow Post > Office...... > > > Thanks Bob, I was able to find it. > > Jeanne

In a message dated 8/19/2010 4:50:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dawnsemple@hotmail.com writes: No problem - it just wasn't clear which Gardner St you had found. Well now I'm in a pickle. I've found the same Gardner Street in 1910 and 2010, and Maisie tells me this is in Partick. But Bob says that the street now called St. Peter's, in district C4, was once Gardner Street. I'm sure there couldn't have been 2 of them. Any suggestions? Jeanne

Thankyou for that information Christine. Janet. -------------------------------------------------- From: "christine woodcock" <cdwoodcock56@sympatico.ca> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:47 AM To: "lanark@rootsweb" <lanark@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] War Memorials - Honour Baords > > Here's the link for the Baillieston Memorial Website > > > > http://www.freewebs.com/gunnerman1632/ > > > > Christine > >>

In a message dated 8/19/2010 2:57:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dawnsemple@hotmail.com writes: Hi jeanne Just checking if the renamed street Bob found is definitely the one you're looking for? Hi Dawn, As you've probably already read, I was able to locate Gardner Street. I appreciate the Internet more and more when I can visit Scotland (sort of) without leaving the house. I have a few more street names that I can't quite decipher and may ask for some more help in identifying them. Thanks. Jeanne

In a message dated 8/19/2010 2:08:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mail4winning@aol.co.uk writes: Hi Jeanne, According to a list of renamed streets that I have from a Glasgow Post Office...... Thanks Bob, I was able to find it. Jeanne

In a message dated 8/19/2010 1:51:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cperkes@videotron.ca writes: Hi Jeanne, You can do a street search on the Mitchell Library site; Carolyn, this is fantastic!!! Thank you so much. The site had 2 pictures of Gardner Street, one from 1910 and one more recent. Using the 1910 picture, I was able to identify the exact spot where the picture was taken from, on Google Earth. The buildings appear to be the same and I can now see where my ancestors lived more than 100 years ago. Thanks again! Jeanne

Hi Jeanne, According to a list of renamed streets that I have from a Glasgow Post Office Directory, Gardner Street was off New City Road and was renamed St. Peter's Street in the C4 district of the city. It's on Google. Hope this helps you. Bob -----Original Message----- From: TwoSides22@aol.com To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:18 Subject: [Lanark] Gardner Street, Glasgow Hello list, enjoy using Google Earth Street View to see some of the places where my ncestors lived. My gg grandfather lived at 51 Gardner St., Glasgow, ccording to his Death Certificate. I wonder If anyone is familiar with this treet and might be able to tell me if the buildings are new or might they ave been there in the late 1800s. hanks. eanne ------------------------------

Hi Jeanne, You can do a street search on the Mitchell Library site; there may be some old and new photos. http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/ Carolyn On 19-Aug-10, at 1:18 PM, TwoSides22@aol.com wrote: > Hello list, > > I enjoy using Google Earth Street View to see some of the places > where my > ancestors lived. My gg grandfather lived at 51 Gardner St., Glasgow, > according to his Death Certificate. I wonder If anyone is familiar > with this > street and might be able to tell me if the buildings are new or > might they > have been there in the late 1800s. > > Thanks. > > Jeanne > > ------------------------------- >

Hello list, I enjoy using Google Earth Street View to see some of the places where my ancestors lived. My gg grandfather lived at 51 Gardner St., Glasgow, according to his Death Certificate. I wonder If anyone is familiar with this street and might be able to tell me if the buildings are new or might they have been there in the late 1800s. Thanks. Jeanne