Hi Bob et al, It would be interesting to know what took JCW's parents to Melitopol in Eastern Ukraine in 1892. There may have been a Scottish connection to the local engineering works. Around the same time, the Scottish thread maufacturers J&P Coats opened a huge thread mill near St Petersburg. From what little I know of the latter, the Tsarist Russian governemt had imposed huge tariffs on imported products in order to protect their own manufacturers, but the response of Coats and others like them was to open a Russian subsidairy and begin manufacturing there for the local market. Bob, do you know where JCW was based in Poland? Reagrds, Ken Mathieson ----- Original Message ----- From: <mail4winning@aol.co.uk> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Vice Consul to Poland > > Hi Nivard, > > Yes the person is deceased and his name was James Cochrane Winning. > > He was born in Melitopol in Russia on 1st oct 1892 to Scottish parents. > > I have him on shipping lists travelling from Yokohama, Japan to Vancouver > then New York to Liverpool in 1918 (age 25) on his way back to Glasgow. > From the shipping lists it would appear that he has married and he is > travelling with his wife Lillian (surname unknown) who is English. He was > able to read and write Russian. > > The next I have him is September 1945 when he was seriously injured in the > Bourne End Rail Disater, Herts. > He was enroute to Germany to take up a position with the Allied Control > Commission in Germany as a Technical assistant in the timber department. > He sued the railway company for damages and in the court papers it states > he left Poland in September 1939 where he had operated a Timber Merchant > business with assets of £120,000. It also stated in the court papers that > he was Vice Consul to Poland for the UK. > > I have tried The National Archives but I just can't seem to find anything > relating to consular staff to verify when and how long he was in Poland. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:24 > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Vice Consul to Poland > > > Hi Bob > Assuming the person is deceased, a name may help > They would surely warrant a mention in the newspapers or Gazettes and may > ppear on passenger lists > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3089 - Release Date: 08/23/10 07:35:00

Hi Ken, >From my reply to Nivard you will see what took James Cochrane Winning's parents to Russia. I have no idea where in Poland JCW was based. I only know that it was stated in the court case that he was a Vice Consul for the UK to Poland. Bob

Nivard, You are an absolute gem :-) The one you have got definitely looks like him. Yes I'm sure about the 1918 sailing (not 1925) as on the journey from New York to Liverpool onboard the Orduna James & Lillian gave the UK destination address as his fathers house at 46 Newlands Road, Glasgow, which incidentally was called Melitopol. I don't know when he ventured into the timber business. He was definately an Engineer. The whole family were into Mining/Mineral Boring/Mining Engineering There were 3 brothers involved in their own mineral boring business in Russia, 1853 Henry, 1857 William and 1863 James. I don't have any record of Henry being in Russia but his will states he had interests in Charkoff (Kharkoff), Russia William was married to Mary Cochrane and had 9 children. The first 3 were born in Glasgow and the other 6 in Russia, 3 in Melitopol (1 being James Cochrane Winning) and 3 in Kharkoff. James had 3 children all born in Kharkoff. The brothers were mentioned in an article "Notes on Russian Geology" in the September 1892 issue of The Geological Magazine. How and when James Cochrane Winning ended up in Poland is still a mystery to me and hopefully the Vice Consul lead will prove fruitful. At least I now know, thanks to you, where & when he died. I'll let you know if it's definately him but I'm sure it is. Once again many thanks Nivard Bob

Hi Bob Assuming the person is deceased, a name may help They would surely warrant a mention in the newspapers or Gazettes and may appear on passenger lists Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Can anyone on the list help me with this query? > > I have an ancestor who was a Vice Consul to Poland for the UK but cannot > find anywhere which lists consular personnel for Poland. > He left Poland in September 1939 just prior to WW2 aged 47. I do not know > when he went to Poland. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Bob

I wonder, too, that you would be able to find the information through the National Archives. Christine > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:24:15 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Vice Consul to Poland > > Hi Bob > > Assuming the person is deceased, a name may help > > They would surely warrant a mention in the newspapers or Gazettes and may > appear on passenger lists > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Can anyone on the list help me with this query? > > > > I have an ancestor who was a Vice Consul to Poland for the UK but cannot > > find anywhere which lists consular personnel for Poland. > > He left Poland in September 1939 just prior to WW2 aged 47. I do not know > > when he went to Poland. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard, Yes the person is deceased and his name was James Cochrane Winning. He was born in Melitopol in Russia on 1st oct 1892 to Scottish parents. I have him on shipping lists travelling from Yokohama, Japan to Vancouver then New York to Liverpool in 1918 (age 25) on his way back to Glasgow. From the shipping lists it would appear that he has married and he is travelling with his wife Lillian (surname unknown) who is English. He was able to read and write Russian. The next I have him is September 1945 when he was seriously injured in the Bourne End Rail Disater, Herts. He was enroute to Germany to take up a position with the Allied Control Commission in Germany as a Technical assistant in the timber department. He sued the railway company for damages and in the court papers it states he left Poland in September 1939 where he had operated a Timber Merchant business with assets of £120,000. It also stated in the court papers that he was Vice Consul to Poland for the UK. I have tried The National Archives but I just can't seem to find anything relating to consular staff to verify when and how long he was in Poland. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:24 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Vice Consul to Poland Hi Bob Assuming the person is deceased, a name may help They would surely warrant a mention in the newspapers or Gazettes and may ppear on passenger lists Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Julie If found guilty he would not get a pension Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > HI > > I wonder if there is anybody who could answer my question. > > I have obtained my g.grandfather's WW1 service record and he was sent for > Court Martial for deliberately blowing off his own hand with a grenade. > He was later given a war pension. > It does not say in his records if he was found innocent or guilty. Would a > soldier still get a pension if they were found guilty? > > Any thoughts on this matter, > many thanks Julie

HI I wonder if there is anybody who could answer my question. I have obtained my g.grandfather's WW1 service record and he was sent for Court Martial for deliberately blowing off his own hand with a grenade. He was later given a war pension. It does not say in his records if he was found innocent or guilty. Would a soldier still get a pension if they were found guilty? Any thoughts on this matter, many thanks Julie

Can anyone on the list help me with this query? I have an ancestor who was a Vice Consul to Poland for the UK but cannot find anywhere which lists consular personnel for Poland. He left Poland in September 1939 just prior to WW2 aged 47. I do not know when he went to Poland. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bob

Hi Jeanne To coin a phrase I think you are perhaps looking further than the end of your nose <vbg> Go to googlemaps, enter Kirkhill Road, Penicuik That area on O/S maps is listed as Kirkhill, might this be the location you seek Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good morning all, > > > The 1798 birth record of the children (twins!) of Thomas MCGILL and Betty > GREG is from Penicuik, Midlothian. The record also states that Thomas is > a > smith in Kirkhill. Two locations come up in a Google search but both > seem > to be an awfully long commute from Penicuik. One is in Inverness, the > other in Argyll. Were there other little communities with this name back > in > the 1700s that may not still be called that? > Uh oh, more name changes ;-) > > I'm glad you found that link useful Carolyn! > > Jeanne

If you go to the Baird Message Board (you don't have to register), search their archives there are several posts on this family, perhaps they might help. Don -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lillian Blackwell Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:08 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] John Baird of Easter Muckcroft, Cadder Parish, Larnarkshire, Scotland I am new to the website, but not new to genealogy. I am from America, and my maiden name was Baird. Our American immigrant was John Baird, Jr., of Petersburg, Virginia, who came from Larnarkshire. From a seisin written on July 16, 1787, we learn that he was the son of John Baird of Easter Muckcroft. He married Anne (possibly Agnes) Starke, and had three sons, William, Peter, and John, III. He also had three daughters, One married a McKeown, another, Belhia, married John Worden, and the third,Agnes, married William Allan. Of his sons, only William and Peter accompanied him to Virginia. This is the only information I have on this family. Is anyone else researching this branch of the Bairds? Also, I have nothing on Anne Starke. I would greatly appreciate any help on either family. Thanks, Lili ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to the website, but not new to genealogy. I am from America, and my maiden name was Baird. Our American immigrant was John Baird, Jr., of Petersburg, Virginia, who came from Larnarkshire. From a seisin written on July 16, 1787, we learn that he was the son of John Baird of Easter Muckcroft. He married Anne (possibly Agnes) Starke, and had three sons, William, Peter, and John, III. He also had three daughters, One married a McKeown, another, Belhia, married John Worden, and the third,Agnes, married William Allan. Of his sons, only William and Peter accompanied him to Virginia. This is the only information I have on this family. Is anyone else researching this branch of the Bairds? Also, I have nothing on Anne Starke. I would greatly appreciate any help on either family. Thanks, Lili

Lili, Hmmm, no bell rung there, but I have an Elizabeth Baird, b. 1813 in Dumfries, who married in Bothwell, Lanark, on March 15, 1834, William Muir, b. Feb. 10, 1801 in Campsie, Stirling. They sailed for Upper Canada in either 1838 or 1839. Unfortunately I have no parents for Elizabeth. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lillian Blackwell" <lbblack53@gmail.com> To: <LANARK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:08 PM Subject: [Lanark] John Baird of Easter Muckcroft, Cadder Parish, Larnarkshire,Scotland >I am new to the website, but not new to genealogy. I am from America, and > my maiden name was Baird. Our American immigrant was John Baird, Jr., of > Petersburg, Virginia, who came from Larnarkshire. From a seisin written > on > July 16, 1787, we learn that he was the son of John Baird of Easter > Muckcroft. He married Anne (possibly Agnes) Starke, and had three sons, > William, Peter, and John, III. He also had three daughters, One married > a > McKeown, another, Belhia, married John Worden, and the third,Agnes, > married > William Allan. Of his sons, only William and Peter accompanied him to > Virginia. > > This is the only information I have on this family. Is anyone else > researching this branch of the Bairds? Also, I have nothing on Anne > Starke. I would greatly appreciate any help on either family. > > Thanks, > Lili > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

1811 Robert Adam coalier at Omoa New Town and Margaret Cowan Spouse had a Son born there upon the 31st day of Augt and baptized the 22d Septr & Named John Adam 1811 John Craig coal Wheeler in Shotts & Agnes Baillie Spouse had a Son born there upon the nineteenth day of September & baptized the 6th Octr and Named John Craig 1810 Gavin Waddell farmer Turdees and Elisabeth Russell Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 21st day of December and Baptized upon the 30th same Month and Named Agnes Waddell 1811 Charles Connor coalier at Shotts Iron Works and Helen Muirie Spouse had a daughter born there upon the 28th October and baptized here upon the 17th November & Named Helen Connor 1811 Archd Shearer farmer Little Harshaw and Ann Wilson Spouse a Son born there upon the 19th Septr and Baptized upon the 6th Octr and Named Gavin Shearer Page 72 1811 The Revd James Hamilton minister of Shotts & Mrs Ann Hutcheson Spouse had a Son born in the Manse of Shotts upon Wednesday the Sixteenth day of October and Baptized upon the 13th day of Novemr and Named Gavin Hamilton Gavin Laurie Shotts Inn and Samuel Meuros Sess Clk Witnesses 1811 Thomas Marshall Junr labourer at present residing at Upper Shottsburn and Ann Brownlee Spouse had a Daughter born there upon Thursday the fourteenth of November & Baptized the 8th Decr and Named Mary Marshall 1811 John Muir coalier at Shotts Iron Works and Janet Thorburn Spouse had a Daughter born there upon Sunday the Seventeenth day of November and Baptized here the 8 Decr and Named Isabel Muir 1811 John Beverage coalier & Janet Beverage Spouse had a Daughter born at Shotts Iron Works upon Friday the Eleventh day of October and Baptized here the 8th Decemr Wm Beverage said Childs Grandfather standing Sponsor and Named Isobel Drysdale 1811 Isobel Illigitimate daughter of Thomas Brown coalier & Isobel Macki(e) born at Hulderstonehill Coaliery Born in the month of February Seventeen Hundred & ninety Six and baptized here the 8th Decemr 1800 & Eleven She taking her Baptismal vows upon herself 1811 John Kirk coalier at Salisburgh and Jean Barr Spouse had a Son born there upon Tuesday the twenty sixth day of November and baptized here the sixteenth say the 15 Decr and Named James Kirk 1811 John Brown coalier at Salisburgh and Agnes Hannah Spouse had a Daughter born there the 13th Decemr & baptized here the 12 Janury 1812 & Named Agnes McKenzie Brown 1811 David Smart in Blackhill and Marion Kinnear Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 12th December & Baptized here the 19th January 1812 and Named Mary Smart 1812 Mr James Thomson schoolmaster at Spailhall Bothwell parish & Janet Sorby Spouse had a Son born at little South of Newhouse upon the 12 Jany 1812 & Baptized the 19th same month Named James Thomson Page 73 1811 William Steell of Liquo and Janet Cleland Spouse had a Son born there upon the twentieth day of June and baptized upon the 18th July and Named John Steell 1811 John Fotheringham gardener & Gavina Inglis Ross Spouse had a Daughter born at Rosshall of Murdoston upon the (blank) day of (blank) and Baptized here upon the 30th June and Named Margaret Fotheringham 1811 John Stevenson mill Wright at Newhouse & Janet Cook Spouse had a son born there upon the Twenty eighth day of June & baptized here upon the 14th July & Named William Stevenson 1811 James Watt wright at Omoa Iron Works & Jean Forsyth Spouse had a daughter born there upon Sunday the twenty eighth day of July & Baptized the 11th Augt and Named Euphemia Watt 1811 Lt George Burnet of the 21st or Gallowayshire Militia & Mrs Margaret Wardlaw Spouse had a Daughter born in his Fathers house at Craighead upon Monday the fifteenth day of July and Baptized the 5th Augt & Named Margaret Cadell Burnet 1811 Mr John Millar moulder at Shotts Iron Works & Mrs Margaret Simson Spouse had a Son born there upon the twenty first day of May and baptized and Named William Millar 1811 William Beebie smith at Shotts Iron Works & Ann Calder Spouse had a Son born there upon the eighth day of January & Baptized & Named William Beebie 1811 John Connar coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Margaret Anderson Spouse had a Son born there upon the thirtieth day of June and baptized upon the 9th July & Named Thomas Connar 1811 John Baird Esqr managing partner of Shotts Iron Works & Mrs Mary Murray Spouse had a Daughter born there upon Monday the fifth day of Augt & baptized upon the 10th day of Septr & Named Christian Jane Baird

LOL Very much further! Thanks guys. I had an idea there had to be more than two Kirkhills in all of Scotland. :-) The one in Penicuik even has a place called the New Yorker nearby, also laughing when I found it. Jeanne In a message dated 8/22/2010 11:34:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ovington1@sky.com writes: Hi Jeanne To coin a phrase I think you are perhaps looking further than the end of your nose <vbg>

Lets introduce you to http://www.nls.uk/maps/counties/index.html which are maps covering every era you will be researching. Town plans can be found here http://www.nls.uk/maps/towns/index.html Don -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TwoSides22@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:24 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] More Geography Good morning all, The 1798 birth record of the children (twins!) of Thomas MCGILL and Betty GREG is from Penicuik, Midlothian. The record also states that Thomas is a smith in Kirkhill. Two locations come up in a Google search but both seem to be an awfully long commute from Penicuik. One is in Inverness, the other in Argyll. Were there other little communities with this name back in the 1700s that may not still be called that? Uh oh, more name changes ;-) I'm glad you found that link useful Carolyn! Jeanne ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning all, The 1798 birth record of the children (twins!) of Thomas MCGILL and Betty GREG is from Penicuik, Midlothian. The record also states that Thomas is a smith in Kirkhill. Two locations come up in a Google search but both seem to be an awfully long commute from Penicuik. One is in Inverness, the other in Argyll. Were there other little communities with this name back in the 1700s that may not still be called that? Uh oh, more name changes ;-) I'm glad you found that link useful Carolyn! Jeanne

Thank you! I found Sword Street (in Dennistoun district) here. It is not illustrated in the Mitchell Library virtual catalogue and so I thought it must have disappeared. Just found it now on google maps. The street view seems to show the house my James Steel Wharrie lived in 1900 (row of reddish sandstone buildings). At least I think this is the case. The district seems to be undergoing gentrification now, but the Ordnance Survey shows iron works and pottery manufacturers nearby. Carolyn On 21-Aug-10, at 12:44 PM, TwoSides22@aol.com wrote: > Here's another helpful site someone sent to me, just in case anyone > doesn't have it already. > > > _Ordnance Survey large scale Scottish town plans, 1847-1895 - > National > Library of Scotland_ (http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/) > > -------------------------------

Here's another helpful site someone sent to me, just in case anyone doesn't have it already. _Ordnance Survey large scale Scottish town plans, 1847-1895 - National Library of Scotland_ (http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/)

I appreciate that this question will only apply to a smallish number of members of the list but I would be interested in exchanging on or off list information about the Earlier Burgesses and Guild Brethren of Glasgow i.e. those before 1650. I have got to the stage that I have ancestors who were Burgesses in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen in the period 1550-1650 and from the recurrence of names, suspect they may in some cases in fact have been intermarried. In Glasgow the names are Lintoune/Listoune; Muirhead; Aitkenhead and Winning In Edinburgh the names are Pargillies; Brown(e); Calder; Nemo and Kirkwood In Aberdeen the names are Mitchell; Broun and Stot Regards, Mark