I ask if anyone would have a connection to this particular BEVERAGE / BEVERIDGE family or would have knowledge of Margaret BEVERAGEs maiden surname. Trying to sort information on two families with parents Robert and Margaret. >>1812 Robert Beverage coalier at Bonhard & Margaret Beverage Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the Thirteenth day of February & Baptized the 1st March & Named Helen Beverage<< Many thanks, Jenny

> I ask if anyone would have a > connection to this particular BEVERAGE / > BEVERIDGE family or would have knowledge of Margaret > BEVERAGEs maiden > surname. If the mother's surname is given in a Scottish baptism record, it is almost certain to be her maiden name. I note that the IGI lists a marriage of a Robert Beveredge to Margaret Beveredge in Shotts on 22 June 1806, and that there are numerous children of the marriage. Anne

Hi Jenny, Since in every other entry I've done in this parish the mother retains her maiden name, I would be fairly certain that Margaret's maiden name was Beverage. Not the first marriage of cousins I've run into. :) Jim Bundy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jenny Myers" <jenm@exemail.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:22 PM To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 84 > I ask if anyone would have a connection to this particular BEVERAGE / > BEVERIDGE family or would have knowledge of Margaret BEVERAGEs maiden > surname. > > Trying to sort information on two families with parents Robert and > Margaret. > >>>1812 Robert Beverage coalier at Bonhard & Margaret Beverage Spouse had a > Daughter born there upon the Thirteenth day of February & Baptized the 1st > March & Named Helen Beverage<< > > Many thanks, > Jenny

Jenny, Some entries that may interest you. The mrgs are all after your people but one could be a child of the couple giving you another path to look at. Bob Cdn. ---------------------- BEVEREDGE Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Oct 1806 Christening Date: 2 Nov 1806 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Robert BEVEREDGE Mother: Margaret BEVEREDGE Source: FHL Film 1066605 Dates: 1801 - 1825 BEVERAGE William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: Jun 1808 Christening Date: 3 Jul 1808 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Robert BEVERAGE Mother: Margaret BEVERAGE Source: FHL Film 1066605 Dates: 1808 - 1809 BEVERAGE Jean Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 11 Mar 1810 Christening Date: 8 Apr 1810 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Robert BEVERAGE Mother: Margaret BEVERAGE Source: FHL Film 1066605 Dates: 1801 - 1825 BEVERAGE Helen Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 13 Feb 1812 Christening Date: 1 Mar 1812 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Robert BEVERAGE Mother: Margaret BEVERAGE Source: FHL Film 1066605 Dates: 1811 - 1855 BEVERAGE Alexander Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 18 Mar 1814 Christening Date: 10 Apr 1814 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Robert BEVERAGE Mother: Margaret BEVERAGE Source: FHL Film 1066605 Dates: 1811 - 1855 BEVERIDGE Andrew Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 2 Aug 1818 Christening Date: 16 Aug 1818 Recorded in: Whitburn West Lothian Scotland Father: Robert BEVERIDGE Mother: Margaret BEVERIDGE Source: FHL Film 1066639 Dates: 1719 - 1819 Marriages: LAIRD Edward Marriage Wife: Jane BEVERAGE Marriage Date: 2 Jul 1820 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 BEVERAGE OR SIMPSON Robert Marriage Wife: Jane GILLIES Marriage Date: 23 Jan 1825 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 MALCOLM Thomas Marriage Wife: Jane BEVERIDGE Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1828 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 BEVERIDGE Andrew Marriage Wife: Margaret HEPBURN Marriage Date: 16 Sep 1838 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 WILLIAMS Archibald Frew Marriage Wife: Janet BEVERIDGE Marriage Date: 20 Sep 1840 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 FINLAY David Marriage Wife: Elisabeth BEVERIDGE Marriage Date: 17 Mar 1844 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 BEVERIDGE John Marriage Wife: Elisabeth GILLON Marriage Date: 23 Sep 1845 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 CLASON Andrew Marriage Wife: Margaret BEVERIDGE Marriage Date: 17 Oct 1847 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 FRAZER Andrew Marriage Wife: Jean BEVERIDGE Marriage Date: 20 Jun 1847 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 MORRIS John Marriage Wife: Isabella BEVERIDGE Marriage Date: 16 Jul 1848 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 KINNIBURGH Robert Marriage Wife: Christian BEVERIDGE Marriage Date: 1 Jun 1851 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 RUSSELL William Marriage Wife: Janet BEVERIDGE Marriage Date: 4 Feb 1855 Recorded in: Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Source: FHL Film 1066606 Dates: 1820 - 1855 ==================== On 08/09/2010 4:22 PM, Jenny Myers wrote:<SNIP>...I ask if anyone would have a connection to this particular BEVERAGE / BEVERIDGE family or would have knowledge of Margaret BEVERAGEs maiden surname. ... ==================== >

Kate, Where a married person moves to another country and seeks a divorce either from the other party who has also travelled to the new country or who has remained in the original country of the marriage, as long as the party initiating the divorce does so in accordance with the divorce law of where he or she is domiciled (country considered to be real home if not country of residence) and the appropriate service on the other party takes place, again in accordance with the law of the domicile of the party seeking the divorce then the divorce will be binding and effective in both countries. There is no system for someone who gets divorced in another country to notify the authorities in his or her original country that a divorce has been obtained. Indeed there is no system I know of where someone who marries in England but divorces in Scotland can or has to notify any registrar etc in England that the original English marriage has been ended in Scotland, both countries for international legal purposes being foreign countries to one another. Most of us come across situations in our families where there is a strong likelihood that someone who went overseas and "remarried" had not in fact ever got divorced or been widowed in his/her home country in the UK. Indeed several episodes of "who Do You Think You Are" have largely turned on this very situation to create the "human interest" aspect of the programme. Hope this helps, Mark -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kate Israel-Manwell Sent: 08 September 2010 11:36 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Divorce records Hi Nivard and Rhoda, thanks for the info: I have noted the appropriate references, however, I checked the 1927 marriage record again and there was no RCE notification on it. There was what looked like a capital letter < B > rather than <D> on the right-hand side of the certificate. his wife left him with the new baby within 12 months - later moving to the USA and remarrying (not sure where and when). There were some much younger half-siblings. The cat among the pigeons moment was when it was noted on the husband's 1951 death certificate that he was married to .... (the informant was his rather prim and proper < no scandal in our family> brother). The wife would have been well past child-bearing age by this time. I was wondering whether it was possible to nullify/divorce/legally separate a marriage in another country without notifying the authorities in the original country of marriage? Kate

Hi Nivard and Rhoda, thanks for the info: I have noted the appropriate references, however, I checked the 1927 marriage record again and there was no RCE notification on it. There was what looked like a capital letter < B > rather than <D> on the right-hand side of the certificate. his wife left him with the new baby within 12 months - later moving to the USA and remarrying (not sure where and when). There were some much younger half-siblings. The cat among the pigeons moment was when it was noted on the husband's 1951 death certificate that he was married to .... (the informant was his rather prim and proper < no scandal in our family> brother). The wife would have been well past child-bearing age by this time. I was wondering whether it was possible to nullify/divorce/legally separate a marriage in another country without notifying the authorities in the original country of marriage? Kate > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:13:15 +0100 > From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] divorce records > To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3E7B912B6133448395273AAD46E01472@claireac3e9bca> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Google is your friend Kate > > http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/divorce.asp > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > hi, > > > > does anyone know where I can find divorce records/date of divorce for > > someone who married and lived their whole life in Lanarkshire, however, > > their partner moved away. > > > > > > > > the divorce will be from 1928 onwards. > > > > > > > > many thanks > > > > Kate Israel > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:20:16 +0100 > From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] divorce records > To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <38B9CC8DB05741F7B79F853DD66F1F82@Chris> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Kate > > Just to add to Nivard's response: the left margin of the original marriage > registration should be stamped to show that a correction (in this case a > divorce) has been entered in the Register of Corrected Entries (RCE). If > the marriage took place up to, and including, 1933 then you should be able > to view the image and the RCE entry on the Scotlands People website. This > would give you the date of the divorce. > > See: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk > > Rhoda

Hi Kate I am no expert on divorce law, but do know that divorce wasn't nearly as easy then as it is now. I think that as it appears that she deserted him, the husband, as the 'innocent' party, would have been able to divorce her but she, as the guilty party, would have needed his agreement to a divorce. People used to withhold consent for years; either, I suppose, for revenge or in the hope that their spouse would come to their senses and return to them. So, in this case, he may have refused a divorce. Do you know that she went through a marriage ceremony with her new partner? I don't know what the 'B' means. The General Register Office for Scotland may be able to answer that question and the query about Scottish marriage laws. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Israel-Manwell" <klm1422@hotmail.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Divorce records > > Hi Nivard and Rhoda, > > > > thanks for the info: I have noted the appropriate references, however, I > checked the 1927 marriage record again and there was no RCE notification > on it. There was what looked like a capital letter < B > rather than <D> > on the right-hand side of the certificate. > > his wife left him with the new baby within 12 months - later moving to the > USA and remarrying (not sure where and when). There were some much younger > half-siblings. > > > > The cat among the pigeons moment was when it was noted on the husband's > 1951 death certificate that he was married to .... (the informant was his > rather prim and proper < no scandal in our family> brother). The wife > would have been well past child-bearing age by this time. > > > > I was wondering whether it was possible to nullify/divorce/legally > separate a marriage in another country without notifying the authorities > in the original country of marriage? > > > > Kate > > > >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:13:15 +0100 >> From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> >> Subject: Re: [Lanark] divorce records >> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <3E7B912B6133448395273AAD46E01472@claireac3e9bca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Google is your friend Kate >> >> http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/divorce.asp >> >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> > hi, >> > >> > does anyone know where I can find divorce records/date of divorce for >> > someone who married and lived their whole life in Lanarkshire, however, >> > their partner moved away. >> > >> > >> > >> > the divorce will be from 1928 onwards. >> > >> > >> > >> > many thanks >> > >> > Kate Israel >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:20:16 +0100 >> From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> >> Subject: Re: [Lanark] divorce records >> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <38B9CC8DB05741F7B79F853DD66F1F82@Chris> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hello Kate >> >> Just to add to Nivard's response: the left margin of the original >> marriage >> registration should be stamped to show that a correction (in this case a >> divorce) has been entered in the Register of Corrected Entries (RCE). If >> the marriage took place up to, and including, 1933 then you should be >> able >> to view the image and the RCE entry on the Scotlands People website. This >> would give you the date of the divorce. >> >> See: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >> >> Rhoda > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again You need to track down the marriage in the USA to see what the wording is on that but as far as I am aware there is no mechanism to divorce without the knowledge of the other party The fact he is recorded on his death being married, implies the brother at least was unaware of a divorce My guess would be the wife either never remarried in the USA or did so bigamously You could only annul a marriage under certain circumstances, one being non consummation, clearly that could not be used in this case Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard and Rhoda, > > thanks for the info: I have noted the appropriate references, however, I > checked the 1927 marriage record again and there was no RCE notification > on it. There was what looked like a capital letter < B > rather than <D> > on the right-hand side of the certificate. > > his wife left him with the new baby within 12 months - later moving to the > USA and remarrying (not sure where and when). There were some much younger > half-siblings. > > The cat among the pigeons moment was when it was noted on the husband's > 1951 death certificate that he was married to .... (the informant was his > rather prim and proper < no scandal in our family> brother). The wife > would have been well past child-bearing age by this time. > > I was wondering whether it was possible to nullify/divorce/legally > separate a marriage in another country without notifying the authorities > in the original country of marriage? > > Kate

I can only speak of marriages performed in Scotland and divorce granted in Canada. When you apply for a divorce you have to state where and when you were married and produce a copy of the marriage licence. Once the divorce is finalized the registrar in the country where the marriage was performed is notified and there is a correction added to the original document Margaret ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Sutherland-Fisher <info@highland-family-heritage.co.uk> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 1:02:16 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Divorce records Kate, Where a married person moves to another country and seeks a divorce either from the other party who has also travelled to the new country or who has remained in the original country of the marriage, as long as the party initiating the divorce does so in accordance with the divorce law of where he or she is domiciled (country considered to be real home if not country of residence) and the appropriate service on the other party takes place, again in accordance with the law of the domicile of the party seeking the divorce then the divorce will be binding and effective in both countries. There is no system for someone who gets divorced in another country to notify the authorities in his or her original country that a divorce has been obtained. Indeed there is no system I know of where someone who marries in England but divorces in Scotland can or has to notify any registrar etc in England that the original English marriage has been ended in Scotland, both countries for international legal purposes being foreign countries to one another. Most of us come across situations in our families where there is a strong likelihood that someone who went overseas and "remarried" had not in fact ever got divorced or been widowed in his/her home country in the UK. Indeed several episodes of "who Do You Think You Are" have largely turned on this very situation to create the "human interest" aspect of the programme. Hope this helps, Mark -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kate Israel-Manwell Sent: 08 September 2010 11:36 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Divorce records Hi Nivard and Rhoda, thanks for the info: I have noted the appropriate references, however, I checked the 1927 marriage record again and there was no RCE notification on it.  There was what looked like  a capital letter < B > rather than <D>  on the right-hand side of the certificate. his wife left him with the new baby within 12 months - later moving to the USA and remarrying (not sure where and when). There were some much younger half-siblings. The cat among the pigeons moment was when it was noted on the husband's 1951 death certificate that he was married to .... (the informant was his rather prim and proper < no scandal in our family> brother).  The wife would have been well past child-bearing age by this time. I was wondering whether it was possible to nullify/divorce/legally separate a marriage in another country without notifying the authorities in the original country of marriage? Kate   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much....Laurette -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of G Russell Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2010 8:30 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Place name help needed Camlachie is Camlachie (including the Distillery ... ) G

Hi Ian, Thank you so much for that link and for the information you provided from it. Janet Perhaps the Wikipedia entry provides some insight. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul_[2](representative) Extract: References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul_(representative 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul_(representative

Hello Kate Just to add to Nivard's response: the left margin of the original marriage registration should be stamped to show that a correction (in this case a divorce) has been entered in the Register of Corrected Entries (RCE). If the marriage took place up to, and including, 1933 then you should be able to view the image and the RCE entry on the Scotlands People website. This would give you the date of the divorce. See: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Israel-Manwell" <klm1422@hotmail.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:57 PM Subject: [Lanark] divorce records hi, > > does anyone know where I can find divorce records/date of divorce for > someone who married and lived their whole life in Lanarkshire, however, > their partner moved away. > the divorce will be from 1928 onwards. > > many thanks > > Kate Israel >

hi, does anyone know where I can find divorce records/date of divorce for someone who married and lived their whole life in Lanarkshire, however, their partner moved away. the divorce will be from 1928 onwards. many thanks Kate Israel

Thank you so much Nivard, that's it!! I looked for it elsewhere and couldn't find it. Laurette -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2010 4:03 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Place name help needed Hi Laurette Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camlachie Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have just received a photocopy of a Glasgow City Parish Application for > Relief 1855 and trying to work out the name of the place where the husband > was born. His name was William PENMAN and the 1851 Census shows he was > born > in Glasgow. However, on this form it looks like "Camlachie". > Unfortunately > there's only a row and a half of writing and I can't seem to match it up > with any letters already used. I don't think the first "C" is correct. > Can > anyone help please? > > > > With thanks. > > > > Laurette > > Australia

Google is your friend Kate http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/divorce.asp Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > hi, > > does anyone know where I can find divorce records/date of divorce for > someone who married and lived their whole life in Lanarkshire, however, > their partner moved away. > > > > the divorce will be from 1928 onwards. > > > > many thanks > > Kate Israel

I have just received a photocopy of a Glasgow City Parish Application for Relief 1855 and trying to work out the name of the place where the husband was born. His name was William PENMAN and the 1851 Census shows he was born in Glasgow. However, on this form it looks like "Camlachie". Unfortunately there's only a row and a half of writing and I can't seem to match it up with any letters already used. I don't think the first "C" is correct. Can anyone help please? With thanks. Laurette Australia

Camlachie is Camlachie (including the Distillery ... ) G

Hi Janet / Bob Perhaps the Wikipedia entry provides some insight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul_(representative) Extract: "The title Consul is used for the official representatives of the government of one state in the territory of another, normally acting to assist and protect the citizens of the consul's own country, and to facilitate trade and friendship between the people of the country to whom he or she is accredited and the country of which he or she is a representative. Consul is not similar to an Ambassador. The duty of the consul is different than the duties of an ambassador. This distinguishes the consul from the ambassador, who is, technically, a representative from one head of state to another. While there can be but one ambassador of a given country in another country, representing the first country's head of state to that of the second, and his or her duties revolve around diplomatic relations between the two countries, there may be several consuls, one in each of several main cities, providing assistance with bureaucratic issues to both the citizens of the consul's own country travelling or living abroad, and to the citizens of the country the consul resides in who wish to travel to or trade with the consul's country." "Some consuls are not career officials of the represented state at all; some are locally-engaged staff with the nationality of the sending country,[3] and in smaller cities, or in cities that are very distant from full-time diplomatic missions, a foreign government which feels that some form of representation is nevertheless desirable may appoint a person who has not hitherto been part of their diplomatic service to fulfill this role. Such a consul may well combine the job with their own (often commercial) private activities, and in some instances may not even be a citizen of the sending country. Such consular appointments are usually given the title of honorary consul. Graham Greene used this position as the title of his 1973 novel The Honorary Consul." Ian -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Smith Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2010 6:23 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Vice Consul to Poland Hi Bob, I have been following the messages about the Vice Consul to Poland. Although I have nobody in a similar position I thought that this might be of interest. Simon Forrest was born at Crawfordjohn in 1825. He became a teacher and eventually retired to Newport in Fife. He had a son, also Simon, whose occupation was variously - ship broker, secretary, shipping agent. In a 1908 Dundee Directory I found that Simon, junior, was the Swedish Consul in Dundee. In 1925 he was the German Consul and the Swedish Vice Consul. I had presumed that these were honourary posts but perhaps not. Any thoughts on this are welcome. Janet

Hi Laurette Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camlachie Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have just received a photocopy of a Glasgow City Parish Application for > Relief 1855 and trying to work out the name of the place where the husband > was born. His name was William PENMAN and the 1851 Census shows he was > born > in Glasgow. However, on this form it looks like "Camlachie". > Unfortunately > there's only a row and a half of writing and I can't seem to match it up > with any letters already used. I don't think the first "C" is correct. > Can > anyone help please? > > > > With thanks. > > > > Laurette > > Australia

Hi Ian, Thanks very much for the reply. This explains it very well and I think I'll have to tackle my query from a different angle. Ken also gave an earlier reply of the existence of quasi-officials. It certainly fits that he could have been combining commercial interests with consul activities. It was stated in the court case papers that he operated as a Timber Merchant in Poland and that he had assets there of around £120,000. Quite a tidy sum back in 1939 and I'm sure the "contacts" at consular level fuelled his business interests. Thanks again to all for the help Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ian Mair <r.i.mair@bigpond.net.au> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:12 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Vice Consul to Poland i Janet / Bob Perhaps the Wikipedia entry provides some insight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul_(representative)