Hi Anne - its the old word used for 'illegitimate'. Doesn't sound very nice does it. Freda Stewart-Calgary, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.listmail@btinternet.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Margaret McLean 1923 Blantyre >> Not sure what a 'base born daughter' means? > Base-born means low-born, but in this context it probably means > that her parents were not married to one another. > > If that is the case, it is possible that the Kirk Session > minutes might shed some light on her origins. > > The Blantyre Kirk Session records are in the National Archives > of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk with catalogue reference CH2/916. You > either need to go to the NAS, or to get someone to go on your > behalf, because they are not available online. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jeanne, One of my Carnwath CUTHBERTSONs married James WALKIN(G)SHAW, son of John W. & Agnes ROBERTSON. Best wishes, Sheena -----Original Message----- From: TwoSides22@aol.com I'd also like to mention that I've recently added WALKINSHAW, ELDER, and AITKIN to my tree. Jeanne

Hello All My Robert Turnbull was a potter and worked many years around the area of Victoria Pottery. He lived on Martyr street and then Scotia Street around 1885 - 1928, I think it was in or near pollokshaws. Is there a list of the potterys in that area somewhere? He was sometimes listed as a potter thrower, What is that? Regards Michael On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:18 AM, G Russell <g_g_russell@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'd be interested in hearing from any descendants or researchers > interested in the workers and craftsmen in Potteries - not just in > Lanarkshire, but especially in the Cleland (Omoa) Pottery, Coltness > Pottery (Newmains) , Hamilton, Rutherglen (Caledonian), the Eagle > Pottery (Glasgow), Bells Pottery (Glasgow), Possil and others ... > > Brick and clay workers I would also include - they were the makers of > bricks, drainage tiles and pipes from Lanarkshire clay throughout the > coalfield areas from the early 1800s to the mid 20th C. > > All names / histories welcome ! > > G Russell > Scottish Pottery Society > > Researching the stoneware made in Lanarkshire - bottles, jars and > kitchen ware, domestic and commercial. > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sheena, It's an interesting name, and the one in my tree with the most variations. My search began with WAKENSHAW but has included WALKINGSHAW, WALKINSHAW, and my favorite, WICKEDSHAW. I Googled the name and it seems that it originated in a town called WALKINSHAW....... "Recorded in a number of spellings including Walkinshaw, Walkingshaw, Walkenshaw and Wakenshaw, this famous and noble surname is of Scottish origin. It is locational from the lands of Walkinshaw in the county of Renfrewshire. The place is so called from the Old English pre 7th century word "wealcere," meaning a fuller and "sceaga," a copse, hence 'The copse of the fullers'. The work of the fuller was to scour and thicken raw cloth by trampling on it in a large vessel, and it is possible that this work was carried on here." Jeanne In a message dated 10/20/2010 11:08:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ireland@pavilion.co.uk writes: Hi Jeanne, One of my Carnwath CUTHBERTSONs married James WALKIN(G)SHAW, son of John W. & Agnes ROBERTSON. Best wishes, Sheena

Perhaps a look into the old newspapers in Victoria, B.C. on or about that time would be telling? Not sure what a' base born daughter' means? Was she born on the Naval Base there? Searching the Victoria Archives via their Library, may also be a route to pursue. Was her married surname Hutson? After a person is deceased 20 yrs. their death will be in the BDM of B.C. ( hang in there! ) Ruth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Hutson" <fishrus@cableone.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:50 AM To: <Lanark@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Lanark] Margaret McLean 1923 Blantyre > Fellow Listers, > > Looking for whatever I can find on Margaret McLean b. 27 Sep 1923 > Blantyre, > married 18 Nov 1950 in Blantyre, Gene Raymonde’ Horace Alfred George > Hutson, > died 18 Jun 1991 in Victoria, B.C. Canada. > > Legend has it she was a base born daughter. > > Not much to go on I’m afarid, but about all I’ve got. > > Any help Greatly Appreciated!!! > > Many Thanx!!! > > Gene Hutson > Norfolk, Nebraska, USA > FishRus@CableOne.net > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Fellow Listers, Looking for whatever I can find on Margaret McLean b. 27 Sep 1923 Blantyre, married 18 Nov 1950 in Blantyre, Gene Raymonde’ Horace Alfred George Hutson, died 18 Jun 1991 in Victoria, B.C. Canada. Legend has it she was a base born daughter. Not much to go on I’m afarid, but about all I’ve got. Any help Greatly Appreciated!!! Many Thanx!!! Gene Hutson Norfolk, Nebraska, USA FishRus@CableOne.net

In the South Lanarkshire View (Council monthly newsletter) of February 2009 there is a double page article on the Caledonian Pottery in Rutherglen and the 'archaeological dig'. In the 1881 census there were 151 pottery workers living in Rutherglen increasing to 244 by 1891. If anyone would like a copy of the Feb 2009 newsletter it is 4.5MB in size to download, it might still be on the Sth Lanarkshire Council web site to view http://www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/ , if not I would be happy to forward it to you. Regards Jenny

Hello George, Thanks for the opportunity to have our families documented who were employed in the Potteries. As we have discussed this matter previously, the explanation of companies sending employees from one pottery to another has helped map the various relocations/residences (including births) of my KEITH family. Thomas Keith b c1837 in Edinburgh was residing in Weaver St, Townhead prior to 1860 and through into the 1870s, on his marriage in 1861 his occupation was stated as Potter Journeyman. Living in the same tenement was Maisie's family of Potters. Thomas and family relocated from the Townhead to Rutherglen sometime after 1873, in 1880 he was a Foreman at the pottery and at the time of the 1881 census the family is living at 1 Gallowflat Place, Rutherglen. On his Death Reg. in 1895, Rutherglen, Thomas' occupation was Potter and Kilnman. No doubt he worked at the Caledonian pottery in Rutherglen. Son William (b 1869) was a Potter on the 1891 census and Journeyman Potter on his marriage in 1893. On his Death Reg. in 1896, Rutherglen, William's occupation was given as Operational Potter. Again, William would have been employed at the Caledonian Pottery. Son Thomas (b 1861) served his apprenticeship as a Mason then began working as a potter in Rutherglen. Prior to October 1885, I believe Thomas had been transferred to the Midland Pottery located in Melling as their 3rd child was born in Melling, Lancaster. By Dec 1887 the family were residing back in Rutherglen, within 3-4 years Thomas and family were living in Gallatown, Kirkcaldy FIF. I have names of two Potteries in Kirkcaldy, David Methven & Sons and Robert Heron & Son Fife Pottery, Kirkcaldy, it is possible he was working at one of these potteries. By 1893 Thomas had returned once more to Rutherglen where he retired from the Pottery around 1895, taking up his former trade he worked as a Journeyman and Freestone Mason until his death in 1918. The 6th child (my grandfather) John KEITH was born 1891 in Gallatown, Kirkcaldy, John began working at the pottery (presumably the Caledonian) at a very young age, on his marriage in 1911 Rutherglen, his occupation was Pottery Worker. As John had been in the Territorial Force since 1909 he was called upon in 1914 to War service where he fought at Gallipoli and didn't return to work in the pottery when discharged in 1916. That is all I know or am able to piece together of my 'potty' family. Regards Jenny

Hi. In a previous life, seems that long ago! I had an interview with Govancroft potteries as a lab assistant, didn't get the job but remember having to get the bus from Parkhead Cross to the wonderful sounding Auchenshuggle. billy

On the 1861 census my great-grandfather, Alexander John Spence, is listed as a Pottery Presser at the Caledonian Pottery. I had to go online to find out what this entailed. Later, he was a journeyman potter, but what type of work that entailed I don't know. I wonder if his earlier job working as a pottery presser hastened his death, however. I found this entry online about a child who worked in one of the English potteries, the assumption being that the Glasgow/Rutherglen pottery conditions would be no better. Maisie 1840 Report:- In 1840 the House of Commons set up a commission to inquire into the state of children employed in the mines and manufactories. Samuel Scriven visited the area of Stoke-on-Trent from December 1840 onwards to collect evidence. this is one of his interviews of a boy who worked in the press room >>> EARTHENWARE FACTORY, Eldon Place, Stoke; Proprietors Messrs. MINTON and BOYLE. PRESS ROOM. Degree of heat by Fahren. 98, open air 42. No. 1. Benjamin Taylor, aged 12 I have worked in the press-room 2 years; I come at half past 6 in the morning, and leave at 6 at night. I have half an hour for breakfast, 1 hour for dinner. I make cockspurs to place ware upon when it is baked; have one brother working in same room. I t 4s. a-week; don t know what brother gets, he is older; got a mother, but no father: father has been dead 10 years; he was a presser; working here; he died of consumption; he was 49, when he died, I give my money to my mother; get nothing for myself; never work over-hours. I go to Sunday-school down to Methody's; can read, can write, can cipher a little; can tell how much 5 time 7 is, 21; 4 times 9 is 30 (sic); my health is pretty good; can eat, drink, and sleep pretty well. I find it very hot in the work-room, and very cold when I go out. I make no difference in clothing, summer or winter; believe there are no boys or girls in the works who do night-work. I get meat for dinner three or four times a-week; other days milk and tatoes. Sometimes open the windows, but can't stand the draught. December 4th, 1840.

Hi Folks, I'd be interested in hearing from any descendants or researchers interested in the workers and craftsmen in Potteries - not just in Lanarkshire, but especially in the Cleland (Omoa) Pottery, Coltness Pottery (Newmains) , Hamilton, Rutherglen (Caledonian), the Eagle Pottery (Glasgow), Bells Pottery (Glasgow), Possil and others ... Brick and clay workers I would also include - they were the makers of bricks, drainage tiles and pipes from Lanarkshire clay throughout the coalfield areas from the early 1800s to the mid 20th C. All names / histories welcome ! G Russell Scottish Pottery Society Researching the stoneware made in Lanarkshire - bottles, jars and kitchen ware, domestic and commercial.

Hi Jeanne, Carnwath records for around that time are just awful, varying from the non-existent through illegible to the uninformative. I would think that what you've got is all you're likely to get. It might be worth getting in touch with others researching PURDIEs or NAIRNs in Carnwath on e.g. Genes Reunited, Rootsweb, etc., in case they have knowledge that has been handed down the families. Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- From: TwoSides22@aol.com Subject: [Lanark] Emeila PURDIE Emelia PURDIE (sister of John b. 1788), was born in Carnwath 1 January 1790 to Andrew PURDIE and Janet CLELAND. Scotlands People brings up 1 match for that name in all records for all years in the OPR, but there must be another one unless Emelia had her first child at the age of 7. The birth of William NAIRN to Thomas NAIRN and Emelia PURDIE was on 7 July 1797, also in Carnwath, so I'm guessing this Emelia is a relative too but there is very little information about this name. Would the Vital Records CDs have more than I'm able to find on the LDS sites and SP? Thanks. Jeanne

Online gives a little bit more information on Delftfield Pottery. The tobacco trade from America resulted in many "tobacco lords" in the city, among whom were Laurence and Robert Dinwiddie. Their Delftfield pottery in Anderston would not have been near the Caledonian Pottery in Townhead/Garngadhill, therefore. Engineer James Watt became a partner in the business in the 1760s, as the pottery expanded its products to include stoneware, earthenware and, by 1800, bone china. In 1810 the company took over the Caledonian Pottery and moved its business there. It ceased trading in 1824. As well as James Watt, inventor who brought about improvements in the steam engine that propelled the Industrial Revolution, there were many other notables in Glasgow who invested in joint-stock companies, such as the Delftfield Pottery. David Dale was another one. He was a merchant and businessman who established the influential weaving community of New Lanark, and with his son-in-law Robert Owen, founded utopian socialism and socialism. Online, there is a picture of a postcard showing a tin glazed punchbowl made for the Saracen's Head Inn around 1760 by the Delftfield Pottery Co. It would have been used to mix "Glasgow Punch", using rum, sugar and lemons. The Glasgow coat of arms is depicted in the centre. The Delftfield Pottery was set up in 1748 by brothers Laurence and Robert Dinwiddie, who were prosperous tobacco merchants. It is believed to be the first in Scotland, and the first potters employed to produce delftware came from London. The site chosen was on the north bank of the River Clyde near the Broomielaw Quay in Anderston. (Reference: Mitchell Library GC Postcards Reproduced with the permission of Glasgow City Council, Libraries Information and Learning ) Maisie

Jenny and George, specifically, I have a booklet published by Glasgow Museum and Art Galleries regarding Murray & Fullarton, Caledonian Pottery (est. 1800), where my forebears worked: Alexander John Spence (1823-1863) was a journeyman potter and his father-in-law, James Hillcoat (1791-1857), most likely worked for the same pottery as its location in the Townhead/Garngadhill area would have been within reasonable walking distance from where they lived. James Hillcoat's wife, Helen Young Hillcoat (1795-1867), my great-grandmother, is the one who lived in the same tenement at 62 Weaver St., Townhead, as your forebears, Jenny. Of the 14 (!) children born to James Hillcoat and Helen Young, 12 were born in Renfrewshire, and two in Glasgow. Helen Young was from Renfrewshire, and James Hillcoat, Glasgow. Alexander John Spence, is listed as a Potter Presser, in the 1851 census, living at 36 Parliamentary Rd. In the 1861 census he is listed as a potter, and residing at 193 Castle St. (this latter address would be much closer to the Caledonian Pottery, Garngadhill, though he inscribed the pottery he made as Townhead Pottery). He died in 1863 in Coatbridge when presumably visiting his brother who lived in Gartsherrie. His death certificate indicates he was a journeyman potter. Some of his pieces are on display in the People's Palace, Glasgow Green, indicative of the pottery ware business in Glasgow at that time. The curator remarked that the pottery was very fine for the times. I am fortunate to have one or two items passed down to me. The Spence pottery connection seemingly died out with Alexander, but his wife's Hillcoat relatives then found employment when the pottery moved to Rutherglen around 1872. The Garngadhill works were eventually demolished in 1879. The new Caledonian Pottery at Rutherglen retained the name of Murray & Co., and advertised 'teapots, caneware, bottles, jugs, jam pots and etc., of every variety .... Chemical ware of endless variety including anti-acid pipes and connection taps, etc. for manufacturing chemists, etc.....' I can trace my Hillcoat line back to 1645 in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England. An offshoot, Anthony Hillcoat, started potteries in Prestonpans and Portobello, near Edinburgh. When the clay ran out, some of the Hillcoat descendants moved to Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire, where they worked as handloom weavers or as potters (Rutherglen). It is almost a given, Jenny, that your Keiths and my Hillcoats most likely worked side by side in the Caledonia Pottery in Rutherglen. Some of the Hillcoat males married into families by the name of Lonie and Park Unfortunately, the booklet on the history of the Caledonian Pottery (1800 until its final demise in 1930) has been out of print for a while. I once had a duplicate copy and would gladly have given it to George, but I cannot find it and wonder if I let someone "borrow" it and never got it back! For those interested in the pottery business (Caledonian and Delftfield Pottery) in and around Glasgow, this is a little gem of a book. If George has any more questions on the history of the Caledonian Pottery outlined in the booklet, I'll be glad to share. I've already had some correspondence with him on this pottery and he has directed me to some online information. It is wonderful that he has this interest as I believe the commercial pottery business is no more, otherwise I stand corrected. Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Myers" <jenm@exemail.com.au> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Pottery Workers in Lanarkshire - a neglected researchtopic > Hello George, > > Thanks for the opportunity to have our families documented who were > employed > in the Potteries. > > As we have discussed this matter previously, the explanation of companies > sending employees from one pottery to another has helped map the various > relocations/residences (including births) of my KEITH family. > > Thomas Keith b c1837 in Edinburgh was residing in Weaver St, Townhead > prior > to 1860 and through into the 1870s, on his marriage in 1861 his occupation > was stated as Potter Journeyman. > Living in the same tenement was Maisie's family of Potters. > > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 10/19/2010 7:48:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ireland@pavilion.co.uk writes: Carnwath records for around that time are just awful, varying from the non-existent through illegible to the uninformative. I love your description Sheena. Thanks for the advice---I'll definitely check out the other groups you mentioned. I did "meet" 2 cousins through this list so who knows what I might be able to find. And it does sound as though someone on this list posted the same query last year so I'm going to search the archives. I'd also like to mention that I've recently added WALKINSHAW, ELDER, and AITKIN to my tree. Jeanne

I am looking for anyone related to John Scott who died 10 February 1914 at Newhouse Farm, Holytown.  His wife was Mary Richard Pollock.  His parents were John and Elizabeth (Baird) Scott. Dorothy (Wood) Riegel

I would appreciate some help and advice in tracing records of :- Birth of my g grandfather Edward CLARK Death of my gg grandfather Alexander CLARK Death of ggg grandmother Betsey McARTHUR Marriage of my gg grandmother Margaret CLARK (nee McARTHUR) to Thomas DOHERTY/DOUGHERTY. The earliest record I have of Edward Clark is the 1851 Census Cambusnethan Lanarkshire 6 "Holland Bush 4" Betsey McArthur Head 61 Widow Carnwath Lanark Thomas Doherty Lodger 40 M Labourer Northumberland Margaret " Wife 30 M Carnwath Lanark Mary " Gr Dau 2 Cambusnethan Lanark John " Lodger 10 Ireland Peter " " 12 " Edward Clark Gr Son 6 Cambusnethan Lanark Alexander Wilson " 9 " " 1861 Census Cambusnethan Lanarkshire " Burnbrae" Thomas Dougherty Head M 50 Labourer England Margaret " Wife M 40 Cambusnethan Lanark Mary " Dau 12 Housemaid " " Janet " " 10 Scholar " " Margaret " " 8 " " " Sarah " " 4 " " Anne " " 2 " " Edward Clark Stepson 16 Labourer " " Edward Clark left Scotland on the "Maryborough" in 1866 and arrived in Brisbane Aust later that year. He married Isabella KERSE at Ballarat Aust in 1868 (where CLARK became CLARKE,as written on the Marriage Cert). They sailed from Melbourne to Port Chalmers NZ in 1869. Edward died in Palmerston NZ in 1921.His Death Cert reads :- Born : Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland Father :Alexander CLARKE Mother: Margaret McArthur CLARKE Mother`s Maiden name :McARTHUR Occupation of Father :Iron Moulder I did find on a OPR micro film the marriage of Alexander CLARK and Margaret McARTHUR on 30 Oct 1835 Middle Greenock Renfrew Scotland.There was no further information on the film of ages,where born or from, or parents to prove they were my gg grandparents. Any guidance and advice would be gratefully received Thanking you Don Clarke Temuka NZ

In a message dated 10/18/2010 1:26:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hiflyte@telus.net writes: I think you ask a similar question in 2009 since I have a ref in my lookup notes but in case the question is new here is the data. Bob Cdn Hi Bob, I just found this list a few months ago so it wasn't I who asked the question in 2009 but I'd love to know who did! Thank you for the information you posted. This is what I've been able to find too. The second Emelia PURDIE is still a mystery. Jeanne

> Emelia PURDIE (sister of John b. 1788), was born in Carnwath 1 > January 1790 > to Andrew PURDIE and Janet CLELAND. Scotlands People brings > up 1 match > for that name in all records for all years in the OPR, but > there must be > another one unless Emelia had her first child at the age of > 7. The birth of > William NAIRN to Thomas NAIRN and Emelia PURDIE was on 7 July > 1797, also in > Carnwath, so I'm guessing this Emelia is a relative too but > there is very > little information about this name. Would the Vital Records > CDs have more > than I'm able to find on the LDS sites and SP? They are likely to have more information than is in the IGI, but probably not more than is on SP. Be aware also that the IGI and Vital Records CDs are not primary sources. They are only indexes, and very useful ones at that, but you need to check anything you find on either of them, especially if the information is 'submitted' rather than 'extracted'. Normally if you find anything on either of those you would check it by looking at SP, but if you do find something that isn't on SP, you need to pursue it until you find the primary source from which it wsa taken. SP is a source of primary records. Anne

Emelia PURDIE (sister of John b. 1788), was born in Carnwath 1 January 1790 to Andrew PURDIE and Janet CLELAND. Scotlands People brings up 1 match for that name in all records for all years in the OPR, but there must be another one unless Emelia had her first child at the age of 7. The birth of William NAIRN to Thomas NAIRN and Emelia PURDIE was on 7 July 1797, also in Carnwath, so I'm guessing this Emelia is a relative too but there is very little information about this name. Would the Vital Records CDs have more than I'm able to find on the LDS sites and SP? Thanks. Jeanne