Many thanks for this idea - I'll have a look. And, thanks for your earlier ref to the Book "The Upperward of Lanarkshire". I had a look at it on Google books but depressingly, found no references to Tennants. Onwards and upwards! Jose ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Russell" <g_g_russell@btinternet.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Tennant from 'upward of Carnwath' > > Have you looked at the Parish of Forth ('The Forth' - locally) where > there are still several branches of the Tennant families. > > Forth is certainly 'upward' of Carnwath - maybe even counted as part of > Shotts Parish ? > > GGR > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3226 - Release Date: 10/29/10 20:34:00

Have you looked at the Parish of Forth ('The Forth' - locally) where there are still several branches of the Tennant families. Forth is certainly 'upward' of Carnwath - maybe even counted as part of Shotts Parish ? GGR

Thanks for all this info Nivard. Yes, I have quite a lot of info about John TENNANT from the time he married Mary PATERSON and came to Ecclefechan, Hoddom. But I have two stumbling blocks: As you say, the censuses (what is the plural of 'census'?) consistently say he's from Carnwath. In the family book compiled by John Tennant he mentions that he is from "upward of Carnwath". But where exactly? and who were his parents? I have found a couple of John Tennants that might fit the bill. You mentioned one: John TENNANT and Marion BROWN . They actually had two Johns; the first was born in 1811 and the second in 1815 - presumably the first John died. I have found another John, the son of James TENNANT and Catherine TAYLOR, also of Carnwath. Unfortunately I have no evidence to enable me to claim either. Both were born in 1815, though for some reason I think my John may have been born in 1816. You've found a Joseph TENNANT in Hoddom. This is interesting. I've checked the Carnwath John and Marion Tennant children but there isn't a Joseph. I seem to remember that at some point I found another John Tennant in Hoddom - I can't remember any details but must have another hunt as I don't remember finding a Joseph. However, the fact that there is another Tennant family in the same small village could be significant and may how he met his wife when visiting family? My other block is that I cant find my John TENNANT's grave. John TENNANT died in 1902. His wife died a few years earlier and was buried in a cemetery in Ecclefechan. However, even though I have a copy of his death certificate I cannot find where he was buried. I have even been in touch with the local council but to no avail. Where is he? I wonder if the fact that he was a secessionist makes any difference? Or it may be that he was buried alongside his wife but no inscription added? All thoughts are very welcome! Thanks again for your help - Jose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] The Upperward of Lanarkshire > > Hi Josi > > What is your stumbling block on John TENNANT ? > > I can see the following from 1851 to 1891 > > ====================== > 1851 > Name: John Tennant > Age: 35 > Estimated birth year: abt 1816 > Relationship: Head > Spouse's name: Mary Tennant > Gender: Male > Where born: Carmarth, Lanarkshire > Parish Number: 829 > Civil Parish: Hoddom > Town: Ecclefechan > County: Dumfriesshire > Address: Townfoot > Occupation: Mason > ED: 1 > Page: 16 (click to see others on page) > Household schedule number: 74 > Line: 13 > Roll: CSSCT1851_207 > Household Members: > Name Age > John Tennant 35 > Mary Tennant 30 Hoddam, Dumfriesshire > Jane A Tennant 4 > Thomas Tennant 3 > > Parish: Hoddom; ED: 1; Page: 13; Line: 16; Roll: 994; Year: 1851. > ======================== > 1861 > Name: John Tennant > Age: 44 > Estimated birth year: abt 1817 > Relationship: Head > Spouse's name : Mary Tennant > Gender: Male > Where born: Carnwath, Lanarkshire > Registration Number: 829 > Registration district: Hoddam > Civil Parish: Hoddam > County: Dumfriesshire > Address: High St > Occupation: General Draker > ED: 1 > Household schedule number: 25 > Line: 15 > Roll: CSSCT1861_144 > Household Members: > Name Age > John Tennant 44 > Mary Tennant 40 Hoddam, Dumfriesshire > Jane Anne Tennant 14 > Thomas Tennant 13 > William Tennant 7 > > Parish: Hoddam; ED: 1; Page: 6; Line: 15; Roll: CSSCT1861_144; Year: > 1861. > ===================== > 1871 > Name: John Tennant > Age: 55 > Estimated birth year: abt 1816 > Relationship: Head > Spouse's name : Mary Tennant > Gender: Male > Where born: Carnwath, Lanarkshire > Registration Number: 829 > Registration district: Hoddam > Civil Parish: Hoddam > County: Dumfriesshire > Address: High St > Occupation: Drafert General Merchant > ED: 3 > Household schedule number: 37 > Line: 25 > Roll: CSSCT1871_184 > Household Members: > Name Age > John Tennant 55 > Mary Tennant 50 Haddom, Dumfriesshire > Thomas Tennant 23 > William Tennant 17 > > Parish: Hoddam; ED: 3; Page: 6; Line: 25; Roll: CSSCT1871_184; Year: > 1871. > ====================== > 1881 > Name: John Tennant > Age: 65 > Estimated birth year: abt 1816 > Relationship: Head > Spouse's name : Mary Tennant > Gender: Male > Where born: Carnwath, Lanarkshire > Registration Number: 829 > Registration district: Hoddam > Civil Parish: Hoddam > County: Dumfriesshire > Address: High Street > Occupation: Draper (General) > ED: 3 > Household schedule number: 14 > Line: 1 > Roll: cssct1881_323 > Household Members: > Name Age > John Tennant 65 > Mary Tennant 60 Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire > Thomas Tennant 33 > William Tennant 27 > > Parish: Hoddam; ED: 3; Page: 3; Line: 1; Roll: cssct1881_323; Year: 1881. > ======================== > 1891 > Name: John Tennant > Age: 75 > Estimated birth year: abt 1816 > Relationship: Head > Spouse's name : Mary Tennant > Gender: Male > Where born: Carnwath, Lanarksh > Registration Number: 829 > Registration district: Hoddom > Civil Parish: Hoddom > County: Dumfriesshire > Address: Ecclefechan > Occupation: Draper & Ironmonger > ED: 3 > Household schedule number: 25 > Line: 5 > Roll: CSSCT1891_395 > Household Members: > Name Age > John Tennant 75 > Mary Tennant 70 Hoddom, Dumfriesh > William Tennant 37 > > Parish: Hoddom; ED: 3; Page: 4; Line: 5; Roll: CSSCT1891_395; Year: 1891. > ========================= > In 1841 there is a possible for John with a Joseph TENNANT (a brother > perhaps?) there are two Marions in the household > (two IGI patron submissions give a John TENNANT & Marion BROWN as parents > of > a John born 1815 Carnwath) > > I would say his description of "A mason to trade from Carnwath upward of > Lanarkshire" > > Means he was originally a Mason and from Carnwath which is in the upper > part > of Lanarkshire > > He consistently gives his birthplace as Carnwath > > Nothing in the IGI but on checking the batches for Carnwath I notice there > is not a male recorded, just females > > This is not that uncommon but if you check further into the OPRs you may > find his baptism (if he was baptised of course) > > The batch you would expect to find him in is C116324 but as I said no > males > > I also notice the period that you might expect to find his parents married > (if in Carnwath) is not on the IGI either > > The marriage batches are > > M116321 1855-1875 > M116324 1705-1735 > M116325 1826-1854 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Many thanks for this reference to "The Upperward of Lanarkshire". >> >> I have a family book written in 1896 by my GG grandfather who set about >> drawing together details of his family tree. Considering he was in his >> eighties he accrued an amazing amount of information about probably over >> one >> hundred individual family members. He writes in great detail about many >> but >> remarkably little about himself. His name is John TENNANT and married >> Mary >> PATERSON. They lived in Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire but originally was "A >> mason to trade from Carnwath upward of Lanarkshire". Could this mean >> Upperward? >> >> George, you mentioned a 'copy' of "The Upperward of Lanarkshire". What >> is >> this ? A book? Does it refer to any local residents? What >> towns/villages >> does it include? Perhaps, if I could then narrow my search and focus on >> specific locations, I might have more success in tracing him and his >> parents. >> >> John Tennant has been my brick wall for many years. This might provide >> a >> little crack to help in my search. >> >> Thanks - Jose > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi, Tell me more about your Martin connections .... (in Carluke ?) Would they be to the Martins ( wood merchants, joiners ) in School Lane or the Lanark family who operated the 'Electric Laundry' ? I wonder if I've seen a gravestone to Tennant / Martin in the Old St Luke's Cemetery in Carluke ? G Russell Lanarkshire Brownlee(ie) Researchers

Hello I dont know if these will help they are in my family kind regards jean TENNANT MARGARET 1778 M1798 JAMES FREW RE RAFFERTY GEORGE ELLEN TENNANT ROBINIA M ALAN TAYLOR RE MCSHANE JOHN BRIDGET MARY ALAN QUINN TENNANT WILLIAM 1694 M ANNA RENNY RE MCSHANE JOHN BELLA MCGURK DICK TENNANT JANET 1735 M WILLIAM BAIRD RE MCSHANE JOHN MCGURK BELLA >> ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have TENNANTs from Carnwath in my ancestry: Samuel TENNANT & Marion MARTIN married in Carluke in 1808 and produced a large family in Carnwath where he was a baker. Carluke records being rather more informative than those of Carnwath, I have found more on Marion's ancestry, but I have not been able to find out who Samuel's parents were, although Adam TENNANT & Janet SOMERVILLE are the obvious candidates. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has further information on any of these people. Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:09:04 +0200 From: "Jose" <jose.jones@wanadoo.fr> Many thanks for this reference to "The Upperward of Lanarkshire". I have a family book written in 1896 by my GG grandfather who set about drawing together details of his family tree. Considering he was in his eighties he accrued an amazing amount of information about probably over one hundred individual family members. He writes in great detail about many but remarkably little about himself. His name is John TENNANT and married Mary PATERSON. They lived in Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire but originally was "A mason to trade from Carnwath upward of Lanarkshire". Could this mean Upperward?

GBP 300 may be too much for you, however Scottish antiquarian books are highly sought after, so that's the way it is. However if you're after the data then all volumes are available for free download from google books or archive.org. Regards, Don McArthur. Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:48:40 +0100 From: G Russell <g_g_russell@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] The Upperward of Lanarkshire To: lanark@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4CC96318.4000601@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 'The Upperward of Lanarkshire' - in 3 volumes inc indexes and data from various land records - is a Victorian ( 1860s) history / description of the Parishes based on the (then) new Ordnance Survey Maps ( First Edition, in large scale) . It describes each Parish, property by property and lists owners / tenants, sizes, crops, industry etc but has a rather 'romantic era' feel to it .... attributing name origins etc of somewhat dubious ancestry ... The Authors ( De Vere Irving and Murray) were local (Kirkfieldbank) landowners / antiquarians . Their work was questioned and commented on as 'not quite scientific enough' and often plain wrong by Dr Rankin, the Historian of Carluke Parish and founder member of the Royal Society of Edinburgh ... Nowadays, I have seen copies in good condition, on sale for as much as ?300 sterling ...... way too much ! The indexes and data list are very useful .... GGR

Hi I have Robert PETRIE (lived various addresses in Old Kelvinhaugh Road) haven't pursued this line so have very little info. on him. On his son's birth cert in 1886 he is an "earthenware packer". In 1907 (son's marriage cert.) he is "an earthenware manufacturer" - in modern terms we think of a "manufacturer" as the factory owner but I'm sure this wouldn't be the case - perhaps he is now making pottery as opposed to just packing it. Unfortunately he doesn't state where he works. Do you know of any works near to the Old Kelvinhaugh Road? Regards Mary Byceland On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:18 PM, G Russell <g_g_russell@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'd be interested in hearing from any descendants or researchers > interested in the workers and craftsmen in Potteries - not just in > Lanarkshire, but especially in the Cleland (Omoa) Pottery, Coltness > Pottery (Newmains) , Hamilton, Rutherglen (Caledonian), the Eagle > Pottery (Glasgow), Bells Pottery (Glasgow), Possil and others ... > > Brick and clay workers I would also include - they were the makers of > bricks, drainage tiles and pipes from Lanarkshire clay throughout the > coalfield areas from the early 1800s to the mid 20th C. > > All names / histories welcome ! > > G Russell > Scottish Pottery Society > > Researching the stoneware made in Lanarkshire - bottles, jars and > kitchen ware, domestic and commercial. > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

'The Upperward of Lanarkshire' - in 3 volumes inc indexes and data from various land records - is a Victorian ( 1860s) history / description of the Parishes based on the (then) new Ordnance Survey Maps ( First Edition, in large scale) . It describes each Parish, property by property and lists owners / tenants, sizes, crops, industry etc but has a rather 'romantic era' feel to it .... attributing name origins etc of somewhat dubious ancestry ... The Authors ( De Vere Irving and Murray) were local (Kirkfieldbank) landowners / antiquarians . Their work was questioned and commented on as 'not quite scientific enough' and often plain wrong by Dr Rankin, the Historian of Carluke Parish and founder member of the Royal Society of Edinburgh ... Nowadays, I have seen copies in good condition, on sale for as much as £300 sterling ...... way too much ! The indexes and data list are very useful .... GGR

Hi Josi What is your stumbling block on John TENNANT ? I can see the following from 1851 to 1891 ====================== 1851 Name: John Tennant Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relationship: Head Spouse's name: Mary Tennant Gender: Male Where born: Carmarth, Lanarkshire Parish Number: 829 Civil Parish: Hoddom Town: Ecclefechan County: Dumfriesshire Address: Townfoot Occupation: Mason ED: 1 Page: 16 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 74 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1851_207 Household Members: Name Age John Tennant 35 Mary Tennant 30 Hoddam, Dumfriesshire Jane A Tennant 4 Thomas Tennant 3 Parish: Hoddom; ED: 1; Page: 13; Line: 16; Roll: 994; Year: 1851. ======================== 1861 Name: John Tennant Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1817 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Tennant Gender: Male Where born: Carnwath, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 829 Registration district: Hoddam Civil Parish: Hoddam County: Dumfriesshire Address: High St Occupation: General Draker ED: 1 Household schedule number: 25 Line: 15 Roll: CSSCT1861_144 Household Members: Name Age John Tennant 44 Mary Tennant 40 Hoddam, Dumfriesshire Jane Anne Tennant 14 Thomas Tennant 13 William Tennant 7 Parish: Hoddam; ED: 1; Page: 6; Line: 15; Roll: CSSCT1861_144; Year: 1861. ===================== 1871 Name: John Tennant Age: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Tennant Gender: Male Where born: Carnwath, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 829 Registration district: Hoddam Civil Parish: Hoddam County: Dumfriesshire Address: High St Occupation: Drafert General Merchant ED: 3 Household schedule number: 37 Line: 25 Roll: CSSCT1871_184 Household Members: Name Age John Tennant 55 Mary Tennant 50 Haddom, Dumfriesshire Thomas Tennant 23 William Tennant 17 Parish: Hoddam; ED: 3; Page: 6; Line: 25; Roll: CSSCT1871_184; Year: 1871. ====================== 1881 Name: John Tennant Age: 65 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Tennant Gender: Male Where born: Carnwath, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 829 Registration district: Hoddam Civil Parish: Hoddam County: Dumfriesshire Address: High Street Occupation: Draper (General) ED: 3 Household schedule number: 14 Line: 1 Roll: cssct1881_323 Household Members: Name Age John Tennant 65 Mary Tennant 60 Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire Thomas Tennant 33 William Tennant 27 Parish: Hoddam; ED: 3; Page: 3; Line: 1; Roll: cssct1881_323; Year: 1881. ======================== 1891 Name: John Tennant Age: 75 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Tennant Gender: Male Where born: Carnwath, Lanarksh Registration Number: 829 Registration district: Hoddom Civil Parish: Hoddom County: Dumfriesshire Address: Ecclefechan Occupation: Draper & Ironmonger ED: 3 Household schedule number: 25 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1891_395 Household Members: Name Age John Tennant 75 Mary Tennant 70 Hoddom, Dumfriesh William Tennant 37 Parish: Hoddom; ED: 3; Page: 4; Line: 5; Roll: CSSCT1891_395; Year: 1891. ========================= In 1841 there is a possible for John with a Joseph TENNANT (a brother perhaps?) there are two Marions in the household (two IGI patron submissions give a John TENNANT & Marion BROWN as parents of a John born 1815 Carnwath) I would say his description of "A mason to trade from Carnwath upward of Lanarkshire" Means he was originally a Mason and from Carnwath which is in the upper part of Lanarkshire He consistently gives his birthplace as Carnwath Nothing in the IGI but on checking the batches for Carnwath I notice there is not a male recorded, just females This is not that uncommon but if you check further into the OPRs you may find his baptism (if he was baptised of course) The batch you would expect to find him in is C116324 but as I said no males I also notice the period that you might expect to find his parents married (if in Carnwath) is not on the IGI either The marriage batches are M116321 1855-1875 M116324 1705-1735 M116325 1826-1854 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Many thanks for this reference to "The Upperward of Lanarkshire". > > I have a family book written in 1896 by my GG grandfather who set about > drawing together details of his family tree. Considering he was in his > eighties he accrued an amazing amount of information about probably over > one > hundred individual family members. He writes in great detail about many > but > remarkably little about himself. His name is John TENNANT and married > Mary > PATERSON. They lived in Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire but originally was "A > mason to trade from Carnwath upward of Lanarkshire". Could this mean > Upperward? > > George, you mentioned a 'copy' of "The Upperward of Lanarkshire". What is > this ? A book? Does it refer to any local residents? What > towns/villages > does it include? Perhaps, if I could then narrow my search and focus on > specific locations, I might have more success in tracing him and his > parents. > > John Tennant has been my brick wall for many years. This might provide a > little crack to help in my search. > > Thanks - Jose

Many thanks for this reference to "The Upperward of Lanarkshire". I have a family book written in 1896 by my GG grandfather who set about drawing together details of his family tree. Considering he was in his eighties he accrued an amazing amount of information about probably over one hundred individual family members. He writes in great detail about many but remarkably little about himself. His name is John TENNANT and married Mary PATERSON. They lived in Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire but originally was "A mason to trade from Carnwath upward of Lanarkshire". Could this mean Upperward? George, you mentioned a 'copy' of "The Upperward of Lanarkshire". What is this ? A book? Does it refer to any local residents? What towns/villages does it include? Perhaps, if I could then narrow my search and focus on specific locations, I might have more success in tracing him and his parents. John Tennant has been my brick wall for many years. This might provide a little crack to help in my search. Thanks - Jose ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Russell" <g_g_russell@btinternet.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Kersewell Mains > > Hi ! > > Kersewell Mains is/was the "home farm" for the Kersewell House Estate. > Without looking up my copy of "The Upperward of Lanarkshire" , I > can't say exactly what the mid 19th C owner was, but in the post WW2 > era, it was an Agricultural 'College" - teaching 14 yr olds and farmers' > sons the basis of 'technical' farming ... > > The Waulkmill (a watermill) pre-dates this use by a century or two ... > and is not co-sited as far as I remember ...... > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3208 - Release Date: 10/20/10 08:34:00

Hi Gene, I don't have a clue about how to research this. - but could it be possible that Mr Unknown McLean may have been a war casualty and died during WW11. Perhaps the CWGC website., which often notes the name of the widow of the deceased soldier. I can't recall but perhaps the SP marriage index for the one marriage between a Margaret McNab and (Christian name unknown ??) McLean between 1936 and 1950.. might clarify his Christian name, if anyone else can help out and spend a credit on your behalf if you have no credits to spend to view the page. I didn't get to look at the index, just the fact that there was one marriage between those two surnames. Good Luck Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Hutson" <fishrus@cableone.net> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Margaret McLean 1923 Blantyre > Gay and Gang, > > I spoke with my brother in Canada and he stumbled upon a birth > certificate and a corrected birth entry for Ms. Mc Nab in an old box > of papers of hers that he had never gone through. > > Seems she was born to William WARD, miner and > "(POOR) Flora Mc Nab". > > So Gay, I think you're on the right track, I think she married sometime > between 1943 and 1949, I base this on she would have been 20 in 1943. > I could be way off the mark, but it's a place to start.

Hello Gene As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her marriage is registered under the names of Margaret MCNAB, Margaret WARD and Margaret MCLEAN. You now know the origin of the names MCNAB and WARD. MCLEAN is likely to be either the name of her step-father or the name of a previous husband. If she was a widow she will be entered on her marriage certificate (to Gene HUTSON) as "Margaret ? , widow". However I think I may have found the answer. The marriage index on Scotlands People has the marriage of a Flora Hutchison McNAB and Richard Drummond McLEAN in Blantyre in 1924. The image of the marriage certificate may be downloaded on the Scotlands People website. It is a paysite and you will need to register and buy 30 credits at a cost of £6 sterling. It will cost you 6 of those credits to view the marriage certificate (1 to search for the listing and 5 to view). Rhoda

Ahhh, Rhoda, you are an angel!!! She was adopted, that makes perfect sense. When time permits, I'll have a looksie. Many Many MANY Thanx!!! Gene -----Original Message----- From: CandROverson Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:19 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Margaret McLean 1923 Blantyre Hello Gene As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her marriage is registered under the names of Margaret MCNAB, Margaret WARD and Margaret MCLEAN. You now know the origin of the names MCNAB and WARD. MCLEAN is likely to be either the name of her step-father or the name of a previous husband. If she was a widow she will be entered on her marriage certificate (to Gene HUTSON) as "Margaret ? , widow". However I think I may have found the answer. The marriage index on Scotlands People has the marriage of a Flora Hutchison McNAB and Richard Drummond McLEAN in Blantyre in 1924. The image of the marriage certificate may be downloaded on the Scotlands People website. It is a paysite and you will need to register and buy 30 credits at a cost of £6 sterling. It will cost you 6 of those credits to view the marriage certificate (1 to search for the listing and 5 to view). Rhoda ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanx Gay, I'll have a look at that website, it's harvest time over here and we're busier than busy, so when I get another 5 minutes I'll snoop some more. Thanx again for the helping hand. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gay Fielding Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:33 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Margaret McLean 1923 Blantyre Hi Gene, I don't have a clue about how to research this. - but could it be possible that Mr Unknown McLean may have been a war casualty and died during WW11. Perhaps the CWGC website., which often notes the name of the widow of the deceased soldier. I can't recall but perhaps the SP marriage index for the one marriage between a Margaret McNab and (Christian name unknown ??) McLean between 1936 and 1950.. might clarify his Christian name, if anyone else can help out and spend a credit on your behalf if you have no credits to spend to view the page. I didn't get to look at the index, just the fact that there was one marriage between those two surnames. Good Luck Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Hutson" <fishrus@cableone.net> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Margaret McLean 1923 Blantyre > Gay and Gang, > > I spoke with my brother in Canada and he stumbled upon a birth > certificate and a corrected birth entry for Ms. Mc Nab in an old box > of papers of hers that he had never gone through. > > Seems she was born to William WARD, miner and > "(POOR) Flora Mc Nab". > > So Gay, I think you're on the right track, I think she married sometime > between 1943 and 1949, I base this on she would have been 20 in 1943. > I could be way off the mark, but it's a place to start. ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gay and Gang, I spoke with my brother in Canada and he stumbled upon a birth certificate and a corrected birth entry for Ms. Mc Nab in an old box of papers of hers that he had never gone through. Seems she was born to William WARD, miner and "(POOR) Flora Mc Nab". So Gay, I think you're on the right track, I think she married sometime between 1943 and 1949, I base this on she would have been 20 in 1943. I could be way off the mark, but it's a place to start. Is there a way of finding an obituary or death notice for "unknown McLean" somewhere or perhaps divorce proceedings?? I'm trying to cover all the bases here and I'm sure I'm forgetting something. Thanx to All!!! Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gay Fielding Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:54 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Margaret McLean 1923 Blantyre A quick Free search of Scotlands People showed one marriage between a Margaret McNab and (Christian name unknown ??) McLean between 1936 and 1950.. so perhaps that is why she had the name McLean. I have run out of credits to go any further for you unfortunately. Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Hutson" <fishrus@cableone.net> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Margaret McLean 1923 Blantyre > WOW!!! Rhoda, > > Any idea, right off the top of your head as to why... to any of this?? > > Many Many Thanx!!! > > sage ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning all, I estimated the birth date of John CAMPBELL to be about 1790. His first son and daughter (that I know of) were Gilbert b. 1822, and Sarah b. 1825. Wife was Euphemia Graham b. 1797. With nothing else to go on I went looking for these names in one family. Voilà! I found only one candidate, a John CAMPBELL born 1788 in Ballantrae, Ayr, whose father was Gilbert and whose mother was Sarah MC HAY, this according to LDS. SP brings up the same birth with MC HARG as the mother's name. The CAMPBELL children were born in Carnwath or Currie. Following the pattern on a website that details naming traditions, the second son's name was that of his maternal grandfather, James, and the third son was named for the father. My case falls apart a little with the names of the girls which do not follow tradition unless I just haven't found them yet. Is this enough to pencil in Gilbert and Sarah MC HARG/MC HAY as John's parents? Thanks, Jeanne

Hi ! Kersewell Mains is/was the "home farm" for the Kersewell House Estate. Without looking up my copy of "The Upperward of Lanarkshire" , I can't say exactly what the mid 19th C owner was, but in the post WW2 era, it was an Agricultural 'College" - teaching 14 yr olds and farmers' sons the basis of 'technical' farming ... The Waulkmill (a watermill) pre-dates this use by a century or two ... and is not co-sited as far as I remember ......

In a message dated 10/22/2010 2:45:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, g_g_russell@btinternet.com writes: Hi ! Hi! Kersewell Mains is/was the "home farm" for the Kersewell House Estate. Without looking up my copy of "The Upperward of Lanarkshire" I can't say exactly what the mid 19th C owner was Thank you! I'm quite sure my relative wasn't the owner, but then again I'm not supposed to assume anything ;-) Jeanne