Kia ora. Tena kotou tena kotou tena kotou katoa. Greetings from New Zealand. I have recently taken on the challenge and am endeavouring to discover the whakapa of Alexander Smith, born 8 December 1856 at Whitburn, West Lothian. Alexander Smith emigrated to New Zealand on the Wellington arriving at Port Chalmers, Otago, on 6 February 1878. He married on 9 May 1890 at Balfour, Southland, NZ and the Marriage Register shows that he was aged 31 years, born at Linlithgowshire, his father was Thomas Smith, a farmer, and his mother was Janet Smith nee Bryce. On the 1861 and 1871 Censuses the birth place of Thomas SMITH is given as Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire. From the IGI I have been able to locate the following children of Thomas Smith and Janet Bryce all of whom were born at Whitburn, West Lothian 1. Elizabeth SMITH, born 08 Sept 1841 2. James SMITH, born 10 November 1842 3. Ann SMITH, born 09 Jun 1844 4. Janet SMITH, born 09 Oct 1845 5. Lilias SMITH, born 14 Nov 1850, emigrated NZ, married William MARSHALL on 25 April 1873 at Kaitangata NZ 6. Isabel/Isabella SMITH, born 21 Sep 1853, emigrated NZ, married Andrew CARRUTHERS in Scotland 7. Mary SMITH, born 13 Mar 1855, emigrated to NZ. No other seatils known at this stage. 8. Alexander SMITH, born 08 Dec 1856, emigrated NZ, married Margaret ROY on 9 May 1890 at Balfour, NZ 9. Martha SMITH, born 08 Dec 1858 10. Jane SMITH, born 12 Apr 1860, emigrated NZ, Did not marry. I suspect that there may have been another son named William SMITH who also emigrated to NZ who was a farmer at Waihola. His headstone in the Waihola Cemetry states that he came from Lanarkshire. I am wondering if some kind person on the list can help me further piece together information on family in Scotland, especially on family who did not emigrate to New Zealand, and help prove or disprove family folklore. Family folklore, told by an uncle recently, is that has there were five daughters and three sons who all emigrated ot New Zealand. The father, Thomas Smith, a widower, was to come out later and bring the grind stones for a mill. Meanwhile family who emigrated procurred employment on farms around South Otago or in the Kaitangata Coal Mines to raise the capital to purchase land in the new colony. They soon had leasehold land at Waihola and erected a water wheel to run a mill. However, their father Thomas Smith, did not emmigrate as planned and the mill stones did not arrive. Instead, Thomas Smith remained in Scotland where he re-married and had another large family. The water wheel was used to run a flax mill, but most of the family ended up buying land and establishing farms in South Otago. The New Zealand Company, who assisted immigrants out from Scotland, used the lure of being able to work for a couple of years as a labourer, farm worker, or servant then being able to buy and own your land to gain a work force to establish the settlements in new colony. Full employment and ownership of land was not an option for them if they remained in Scotland. The family appears on the West Lothian 1861 census at Whitburn as follows: Greenburn 271 1 Thomas Smith, Head, Married, aged 38, Carter, born Lanarkshire, Cambusnethan Janet Smith,Wife, Married, aged 41, born Lanarkshire, Glassford James Smith, Son, Unmarried, aged 18, Carter, born Lanarkshire, Cambusnethan Janet Smith, Daughter, Unmarried, aged 14 years, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Lilias Smith, Daughter, aged 10 years, Scholar, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Isabella Smith, Daughter, aged 7 years, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Mary Smith, Daughter, aged 5 years, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Alexander Smith, Son, aged 4 years, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Martha Smith, Daughter, aged 2 years, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Jane Smith, Daughter, aged 1 year, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Andrew ? ,Grand Son, aged 1 year, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Ann Smith, Daughter, Unmarried, aged 17 years, Servant, born Linlithgowshire, Whitburn Thomas Smith, Nephew, Unmarried, aged 18 years, Servant, born Lanarkshire, Shotts And, on the 1871 they appear again at Whitburn as follows: Thomas SMITH, Head, Married, aged 47 years, Farmer of 60 or 50 acres, born Lanarkshire,Cambusnethan Janet Smith, married, aged 49 years, born Lanarkshire, Lesmahagow Isabella Smith, Daur, Unmarried, aged 17 years, Farmer, daughter, born Linlithgow, Whitburn Mary Smith, Daur, Unmarried, aged 16 years, Farmer, daughter, born Linlithgow, Whitburn Alexander Smith, Son, Unmarried, aged 15 years, Scholar, born Linlithgow, Whitburn Martha Smith, Unmarried, aged 13 years, Scholar, born Linlithgow, Whitburn Andrew Smith, Unmarried, Grandson, aged 10 years, Linlithgow, Whitburn Jane Smith, Daur, Unmarried, aged 10 years, Scholar, born Linlithgow, Whitburn John DUNGWELL, Son in Law, Married, aged 26 years, Engine Keeper, born Lanarkshire, Carnwath Ann Dungwell, Daur, Married, aged 27 years, born Linlithgow, Whitburn William Dungwell, Grandson, aged 3 years, born Lanarkshire, Carnwath Thomas Dungwell, Grandson, aged 2 years, born Lanarkshire, Carnwath I am told that the surname of John DUNGWELL was actually DUNGAVEL. I cannot find the family on the 1881 census. However, a large portion of the family had emigrated to New Zealand by this time. Those daughters who remained in Scotland would have been married by 1881. But, the father, Thomas Smoith should be somewhere in Scotland, probably Lanarkshire, with his new family. Can't find him. I suspect that this is Thomas SMITH and Janet BRYCE in the 1841 Census Place: Cambusnethan -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: Cambusnethan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Middle Ward Folio: 0 Page: 1 Address: Crosshill Thomas SMITH, male, aged 18 years, Mason, born Lanarkshire Janet Smith. female, aged 20 years, born Lanarkshire I would be grateful of any assistance, suggestions or interaction with others researching this family. Ka kite ano. Haere ra. Jacqui GEE Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand

Good morning On the Ayrshire list they have recently revived the idea of a "Roll Call", something I feel is worthwhile and would like to add my "tuppence" worth on this list - just in case! My main Scots paternal line is STEED/STEAD mostly through Ayrshire (Crosshill/Kirkmichael/Dailly area originally) from about 1815 to the present day. My great grandfather and family lived at Clova Terrace in Glasgow and was killed by an express train in 1894 near Bothwell. There are, I know, some of the "STEED" family still resident in Glasgow. Also LENNON: McCARTNEY: McFADZEAN: TORLEY: TAIT: COOK: LARKIN. Also BRYDEN: PREACHER: McBURNIE (and various spellings): PENNYCOT: McKENZIE: BRANNAN: STRACHAN: CONNELLY. The above are some (not all) of the lines I am following if anyone wishes to contact me we can see if there is a link. Ewan Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc. www.ancestryroots.co.uk/ayrshire-onlineindex.htm

Kia ora Koro Cliff, e rau rangatira ma,tena koutu katoa. hello respected elder Cliff and esteemed people, greetings to you all, I offer the following. Kia ora can be greetings/hi/hello Tena kotu tena kotu tena kotu katoa is ,"greetings greetings greetings to us all" and is generally used at gatherings as a welcome. Whakapapa is tribe/family/clan genealogy ka kite ano is, well meet again or see you again and Haera ra is farewell to a departing person. Slainte Wayne Ma te Atua koe e tiaki e manaaki i nga wa katoa On 11/02/2010 09:57 AM, Cliff. Johnston wrote: > Jacqui, > > Kia ora. Tena kotou tena kotou tena kotou katoa. Greetings from New > Zealand. > > Come on now, at least give us the translation too :-) > > Cliff. > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see," > > From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Don, I forwarded your reply, to my request, in regards to ALISTAIR MacDONALD and suggested that she contact you directly, in having you send her copies of the original registrations. Unfortunately, the computer that she was using to request these copies directly from you, are out of service. Therefore, I was wondering if you can send me the copies and I will pass them on to her. Her father Alistair, who originally was put into an orphanage at the age of two, knew he had siblings but had lost contact with them. He has become extremely excited, on the information that you have already sent me and is hoping that he may be able to get more information on other family members. Again, thank you, for all the help that you have given us and I can be contacted directly at: ymcdonald@shaw.ca John, Pitt Meadows, BC. -- Original Message ----- From: Don Muirhead To: ymcdonald@shaw.ca Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [Lanark] Alistair Macdonald John, Ernest was the son of William MacDonald and Betsy Gillies. I'm related through Betsy's mothers family (Jessie Steele), have very little on this MacDonald line other than Ernest died in 1949 and Lily in 1974. I know they had a son William (3 children in total) but no other names so Alistair is new to me. This information comes from Andrew (Andy) Gillies who is now deceased but would have been Alistair's second cousin. Andy lists William MacDonald being the illegitimate son of Jessie MacDonald. I do have some copies of original registrations if you wish copies I can scan them and send your way. Don Muirhead

Please, NO ROLL CALL on this list unless specifically approved by me. It is not necessary on a list as busy as this one. If you wish to post information on your genealogy of any type, please feel free to do so and share with others, but no roll call. Thank you for your cooperation. David E. Cann lanark-admin@rootsweb.com Admin of the Lanarkshire, Scotland mailing list on RootsWeb List information: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html

In a message dated 11/2/2010 9:35:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, genealogy@ancestryroots.co.uk writes: Good morning On the Ayrshire list they have recently revived the idea of a "Roll Call", something I feel is worthwhile and would like to add my "tuppence" worth on this list - just in case! Ewan Hi Ewan and all, I just joined the Ayrshire list and thought of suggesting the roll call here as well. Here's my list to get the ball rolling. AITKIN BRAIDWOOD BROWN CAMPBELL CLELAND CURR DALGLEISH ELDER GRAHAM GREIG HARVEY HISLOP HOWISON JOHNSTON LIDDLE MC GILL MC HARG PURDIE RICHARDSON SCOTT WALKINSHAW WALLACE WILSON Jeanne

Hi all, The 1820 birth record of my gg grandmother has the words "Children of Dissenters" across the top of the page. I've never come across this before. What was the ultimate purpose of keeping track of births this way? Did the children wear a big scarlet D on their clothing? ;-) Thanks, Jeanne

Hi Jeanne / Shirley As best as I can determine so far(!), my 3rd GGmother, Barbara Thomson (abt 1805 - 1875) was born Barbara Cleland/Clelland, a daughter of Thomas Cleland/Clelland (b abt 1770) and Margaret Young. Thomas and Margaret also had children Ann (1798) and John (1801) baptised in Bothwell, Lanarkshire, and Thomas ((1803), Thomas (1806), Agnes (1808) and Jean (1810) baptised in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire. I have baptism records for all of the children except Barbara (abt 1805) and the family name is spelled Cleland. On the death record for Barbara it is spelled Clelland. Are you researching / have an interest in any of these? Cheers Ian Mair -----Original Message----- Hi Shirley, I'm researching CLELAND in Lanark. Is Clelland a variation or a totally different name? Jeanne

Surname spellings were very fluid up till the mid- to late-19th century and, since OPR registrations were made by the Parish Clerk, the spelling is often his interpretation of what he heard. My own GGG-GF's surname was recorded in three different spellings on various documents, although he appears to have been consistent in his own spelling. Even so, all his children adopted a different way of spelling their surname and that remains the way all branches of the extended family still spell the name to this day. I wouldn't place much importance on the spelling of surnames until after compulsory registration came in in 1855 and even then, until literacy became pretty well universal, there is the potential for variation. After all, how would someone who couldn't write actually advise a clerk how to spell his surname? Ken Mathieson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Mair" <r.i.mair@bigpond.net.au> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clelland family > Hi Jeanne / Shirley > > As best as I can determine so far(!), my 3rd GGmother, Barbara Thomson > (abt > 1805 - 1875) was born Barbara Cleland/Clelland, a daughter of Thomas > Cleland/Clelland (b abt 1770) and Margaret Young. Thomas and Margaret also > had children Ann (1798) and John (1801) baptised in Bothwell, Lanarkshire, > and Thomas ((1803), Thomas (1806), Agnes (1808) and Jean (1810) baptised > in > Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire. > > I have baptism records for all of the children except Barbara (abt 1805) > and > the family name is spelled Cleland. On the death record for Barbara it is > spelled Clelland. > > Are you researching / have an interest in any of these? > > Cheers > Ian Mair > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi Shirley, > I'm researching CLELAND in Lanark. Is Clelland a variation or a totally > different name? > Jeanne > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3231 - Release Date: 11/01/10 >

Jacqui, Kia ora. Tena kotou tena kotou tena kotou katoa. Greetings from New Zealand. Come on now, at least give us the translation too :-) Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

Thanks for the answer but I don't know anything beyond what I wrote--Hugh and Helen (Stevenson) Clelland and the names of their 6 children. Who Hugh's parents were I'm not sure. I was hoping someone living in that area might know some Clelland descendants that I could maybe phone. I'm looking forward to the 1911 Census being released next year. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Mair Sent: November 1, 2010 5:01 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clelland family Hi Jeanne / Shirley As best as I can determine so far(!), my 3rd GGmother, Barbara Thomson (abt 1805 - 1875) was born Barbara Cleland/Clelland, a daughter of Thomas Cleland/Clelland (b abt 1770) and Margaret Young. Thomas and Margaret also had children Ann (1798) and John (1801) baptised in Bothwell, Lanarkshire, and Thomas ((1803), Thomas (1806), Agnes (1808) and Jean (1810) baptised in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire. I have baptism records for all of the children except Barbara (abt 1805) and the family name is spelled Cleland. On the death record for Barbara it is spelled Clelland. Are you researching / have an interest in any of these? Cheers Ian Mair -----Original Message-----

Hi, Duncan McCallum, s/o Malcolm McCallum (~1805-1857) and Margaret McLean (1815-1908), was bap on 1841 May 23 in Bothwell. Euphemia Sarah Ross, d/o David Ross (1794-1865) and Mary Kerr (1801-1887) was bap 1844 Dec 18 in Muirkirk. Duncan and Effie married in Bothwell on 1867 Dec 04, and they had two children: Mary Kerr McCallum (b 1868 Apr 14) and Margaret McLean McCallum (b 1871 Dec 22). The most recent record I have of this family is of Duncan's death in Bothwell in 1873 Feb 27. I can find no trace of Effie or her children in later census records or in marriage and death records in Scotland. Does anyone know what happened to them? Emigrated? Where? Angus

In a message dated 11/1/2010 1:09:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sgtyson@telus.net writes: Father Hugh, born c1854 married to Helen (Stevenson)and 6 children. The youngest Helena born 1900 was my sister-in-law. Shirley Nobody by that name on my list Shirley. Jeanne

In a message dated 11/1/2010 12:40:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sgtyson@telus.net writes: Does anyone living in the area of Larkhall, Scotland know a family or families with the last name of Clelland? Shirley Tyson Hi Shirley, I'm researching CLELAND in Lanark. Is Clelland is a variation or a totally different name? Jeanne

Could be the same although that's how it's spelled on both the birth certificate and the 1901 Census. Father Hugh, born c1854 married to Helen (Stevenson)and 6 children. The youngest Helena born 1900 was my sister-in-law. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TwoSides22@aol.com Sent: November 1, 2010 10:50 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Clelland family In a message dated 11/1/2010 12:40:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sgtyson@telus.net writes: Does anyone living in the area of Larkhall, Scotland know a family or families with the last name of Clelland? Shirley Tyson Hi Shirley, I'm researching CLELAND in Lanark. Is Clelland is a variation or a totally different name? Jeanne ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "archie gilbert" <agillbert@tiscali.co.uk> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Tennant from 'upward of Carnwath' >I have TENNANTS of Forth linked with ORRs if that is of interest. I am also >intrigued by G Russell's signature re Brownlie researchers in that my >4xGrGrandfather William Lyle was married to Ann Brownlie in 1788 in >C'Nethan. There is a gravestone in C'Nethan kirkyard erected by both for a >daughter who died in 1815 aged 22 years. If this is of interest please feel >free to contact me off list. > > Archie Lyle Gilbert. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G Russell" <g_g_russell@btinternet.com> > To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Tennant from 'upward of Carnwath' > > >> Have you looked at the Parish of Forth ('The Forth' - locally) where >> there are still several branches of the Tennant families. >> >> Forth is certainly 'upward' of Carnwath - maybe even counted as part of >> Shotts Parish ? >> >> GGR

Does anyone living in the area of Larkhall, Scotland know a family or families with the last name of Clelland? Shirley Tyson

Dear Listers, I am only a newbie on this site but have been impressed with the amount of detail and assistance generated. I am a product of Airdrie (b.1941) and (of course) am working on my family tree (aren't we all?). Currently doing quite well but am discovering that sometimes it is easier to follow a name in the 17th century than it is in the 20th century. Here is my example: My father was born in Airdrie/Coatbridge on 11/11/1908 where he was the second eldest of 5 children - Mary (b.1907), Donald - my father (b.1908), Archibald (b.1909), Murdoch (b.1910) and Robert (b.1911). All four boys joined the RAF and had their own experiences never getting together during or even after the war and I believe this was caused by a family schism of some kind. I've discovered all the people in my father's sister Mary's line, his brother Murdoch (who moved to Canada just to make things difficult for me); Archie (who seems to have been a bit of a moonlight flitter) who I'm expecting some news about shortly; leaving just Robert and that's where I find myself faced with a "black hole". The word is that he and his family moved to Barrow-in-Furness and although I've checked out numerous Macdonalds in that area - none have admitted knowing anything about him. The details I have, are given to me verbally in the manner as follows: 'Now our Robert, there was a lad! Going off to war and coming back wi' medals and so many things he widna talk aboot tae anybody. Married? Oh aye, our Robert married a' right - Vivien was the first one (imagine wi' a name like that!), Dorothy was the next one and no I canna say how mony mair efter her! Children? Aye he had a few bairns I remember it weel because he named one lad after himself and the ither efter you (his big brother's first boy who got their father's name)'. Please excuse the bad tape translation! That last refers to my name of Alastair Archibald Macdonald being the first grandson who inherits the grandfather's name (in our family anyway). I have heard another tale that Robert and his family moved back to the Glasgow region several years after their move to Barrow. I'm wondering if any of our listers is a Macdonald (ex Lewis/Stornoway before the clearances) who can connect with the family in the Airdrie/Coatbridge area - we lived at 31 Nichol Street, Airdrie from 1940. The Macdonalds mentioned were themselves from a very large family that "settled" in Airdrie. Looking forward to your inputs fellow listers. Alastair Archibald Macdonald (b.1941 Airdrie) Brisbane, Australia.

Hi Ruth, Its not clear why you want to delete the notes...except I am thinking you may be sending some part of your family history to someone else and you'd rather not send your notes. The following method, allows you to keep the notes for your own use, but they are not sent to your friend with the rest of the data. If my assumption is correct, then for example, ~~if you are sending a Family Group Sheet, then go to the Family group sheet, and then to Contents, and click on the ""items to include'" and UNTICK the Notes. before you send it. ~~If you sending a Genealogy Report, create the Genealogy Report, Go to Contents, move down that menu to Options" and UNTICK the option, ""include individual notes"" and then you can send the Report to your friend. I use FTM but an earlier version but I am sure the facility I have described would be the same. I have made the mistake of sending sensitive personal notes accidentally, so I empathise. Cheers Gay

I would have thought the easy way would be to go to that person, open the notes, highlight and press the delete key? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:26 PM Subject: [Lanark] FTM 2010 > How do I delete 'NOTES' from a person? but keep the person? > > I need direction, please! > > Ruth > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >