> I am trying to trace my father's family tree. He died when I > was only a few > months old, and so I know nothing about him, or his family at > all. My > father's name is Matthew Perry Gilmour, born February 1913 - > his parents > were Robert GILMOUR and Rachel PERRY. They were married > February 1898. > According to their marriage certificate (hopefully they are > the right > people), Robert's parents were James GILMOUR and Jane HADDON > or HADDOW. > Rachel's parents were Robert PERRY and Helen HUNTER. I am not > sure where to > go from here, what good Scottish websites to use. What sort of > records I > should check etc. www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is THE web site because you can download, at modest cost, images of the original birth, marriage and death certificates, old parish registers and census; there is no other site where you can access all the necessary original documents. There are various useful sites which have transcriptions and indexes, for example http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ is probably the best compendium of links and sources for Scottish genealogy. It also has sections with advice for beginners, with links from the home page at http://www.genuki.org.uk/. - http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl has a growing collection of transcriptions of the census. These transcriptions are usually reliable because (a) they are transcribed by two different people and any differences carefully scrutinised to resolve discrepancies and (b) the transcribers are volunteers with an interest in genealogy but, as always, plan to look at originals to check. - the International Genealogical Index at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true but it is and INDEX, not a primary source. It is an unrivalled finding aid for Scottish births/baptisms and marriages before 1875, but be very wary of anything you find here, especially if it is 'submitted'. It is absolutely essential always to track down and look at the original document. There is also www.ancestry.com or www.ancestry.co.uk which you will stumble over time and again. It has various transcriptions of the census, but the spellings in these transcriptions are notoriously weird. Useful for tracking down awkward entries in the census, but you still need to plan to look at the originals to be sure you have the right information.

Hello Rhoda, This is great, thanks ever so for your help, Dad said Lawlor but hey Lawless!! And we all know about name spelling etc. Thanks Pat. -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: 18 November 2010 20:46 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] LOOK UPS Hello Patricia I take it that you have no idea of whom she married? I had a look on the Scotlands People marriage index for marriages registered in Hamilton from 1932 to 1960 between a Mary McMANUS and unknown man. I found two marriages: one in 1939 between Mary McManus and Charles LAWLESS; the other in 1952 between Mary McManus and Alexander MONTGOMERY/MURPHY/RENNIE (I don't know the reason for the 3 surnames). The first seems the more likely ASSUMING that she was married in Hamilton. The images of these marriages may not be viewed on the site (for privacy reasons) and you would have to send off for the certificate through the site. I think they cost £10 sterling. Mary LAWLESS other name McMANUS died in Hamilton in 1974 aged 59. The age is right for your Mary. You can send for the death certificate through the site. See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Sheldon" <ghostiesinc@talktalk.net> To: <LANARK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:34 PM Subject: [Lanark] LOOK UPS > Hello List, > > Need to find a marriage for a MARY McMANUS. She was born 1915 Hamilton > Scotland her parents were John McManus and Mary nee Sloan. > > Thinking she could have been married any time after 1932/3 onwards. They > were RC. Any other help or advice on this would be most welcome. > > Thank you. > > Regards > Pat Sheldon. ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.869 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3264 - Release Date: 11/18/10 07:37:00

Hello Patricia I take it that you have no idea of whom she married? I had a look on the Scotlands People marriage index for marriages registered in Hamilton from 1932 to 1960 between a Mary McMANUS and unknown man. I found two marriages: one in 1939 between Mary McManus and Charles LAWLESS; the other in 1952 between Mary McManus and Alexander MONTGOMERY/MURPHY/RENNIE (I don't know the reason for the 3 surnames). The first seems the more likely ASSUMING that she was married in Hamilton. The images of these marriages may not be viewed on the site (for privacy reasons) and you would have to send off for the certificate through the site. I think they cost £10 sterling. Mary LAWLESS other name McMANUS died in Hamilton in 1974 aged 59. The age is right for your Mary. You can send for the death certificate through the site. See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Sheldon" <ghostiesinc@talktalk.net> To: <LANARK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:34 PM Subject: [Lanark] LOOK UPS > Hello List, > > Need to find a marriage for a MARY McMANUS. She was born 1915 Hamilton > Scotland her parents were John McManus and Mary nee Sloan. > > Thinking she could have been married any time after 1932/3 onwards. They > were RC. Any other help or advice on this would be most welcome. > > Thank you. > > Regards > Pat Sheldon.

Hello List, Need to find a marriage for a MARY McMANUS. She was born 1915 Hamilton Scotland her parents were John McManus and Mary nee Sloan. Thinking she could have been married any time after 1932/3 onwards. They were RC. Any other help or advice on this would be most welcome. Thank you. Regards Pat Sheldon.

These are some of the Mackie, MacKay, Brown, Renwick children of my original ancestors Robert MacKay and Sarah Jane Lindsay MacKay So some of these burials are their children and grandchildren. Note the different town names not all directly in Cambusnethan, but the burials are in Cambusnethan. All the dates are of burial, not death. JANE MACKIE, housewife, Morningside, aged 45 years, married. Parents - John Lindsay and Mary Crawford. Interred in public ground in the old churchyard, 5th June 1868. ELIZABETH MACKAY, Morningside, aged 10 months. Parents - Thomas Mackay and Mary Smith. Interred in public ground, new cemetery, 26th February 1863. JAMES MACKIE, engine driver, Motherwell, aged 25 years, married. Parents - Thomas Mackie and Mary Smith. Interred in Section D 411 & 412, 1st December 1891. (must have been a double plot) MARY BROWN, Carluke, aged 11 months. Parents - James Brown and Elizabeth Mackie. Interred in public ground in the old churchyard, 24th August 1869. AGNES BROWN, farm servant, Craigneuk, aged 22 years, single. Parents - James Brown and Elizabeth Mackie. Interred in Section D 411, 8th February 1893. (So, that links her to James Mackie aged 25, above). STILLBORN FEMALE BROWN, Wishaw. Parents - Robert Brown and Sarah McKay. Interred in public ground, new cemetery, 27th September 1879. WILLIAM RENWICK, Greenhill, aged 2 weeks. Parents - Alexander Renwick and Mary Mackay. Interred in public ground, old churchyard, 22nd January 1879. MARTHA MACKIE, housewife, Motherwell, aged 52 years, married. Parents - Robert Mackie and Jeanie Lindsay. Interred in Section E 60. 12th February 1913. CHARLES ALFRED BROWN, Motherwell, aged 5 years and 6 months. Parents - Charles Brown and Agnes Stone. Interred in Section E 60. 26th September 1912. I give credit to Jim for providing this information to me. Lindsey

Dear Val Another variant spelling for you McKEY, possibly the Irish variant. John Joseph McKEY b: abt 1853 County Clare, Ireland and Catherine HIGGENS MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "val" <val@socket.net> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] MacKay and its variant spellings, > My McKay/MacKay, McKie goes back to William born about 1871 Cumnock, Ayr,

Do not click on any thread that comes up with just a website..it is trouble..other lists have had problems to..Just delete them.. Mary

Looking for the Marriage & Death of Agnes aka Nancy Graham, b 1898 Glasgow d 19?? Ontario, Canada. She had son named Duncan ?????? married with 2 daughters, also Daughter: "Birdie" Husband , ????? became blind in his old age. He predeceased Nancy, d Ontario....Toronto? Re: Agnes: F: John McKenzie Graham b 1894 Glasgow M: Bessie Reid b 18 ?? Glasgow. Any help with Agnes/ Nancy GRAHAM & Scottish siblings appreciated.... Ruth

Hello Thiis my Mackie family there is also Lyndsay in another part of my family Kind regards Jean MACKIE John 114052 & Margaret Suttie b. 1725, Auchterderran, Fifeshire, Scotland m. 24 Oct 1747, Auchterderran, Fifeshire, Scotland M114052 Christian Mackie C114052b. 28 Jan 1751, Auchterderran,Fifeshire, Scotland Elizabeth Mackie C114052b. 16 Mar 1753, Auchterderran,Fifeshire, Scotland Henrietta Mackie C114052b. 26 Nov 1756,Auchterderran, Fifeshire,Scotland Michael Mackie C114052b. 4 Aug 1759, Auchterderran,Fifeshire, Scotland & Janet Kellock 723625 b. 24 Dec 1760, Beath, Fife,Scotlandd. 4 Apr 1816, Beath, Fife, Scotlandm. 15 Dec 1786, Dunfermline,Fifeshire, Scotland M100121 Matthew Mackie C114054b. 19 Nov 1762, Auchterderran,fifeshire, Scotland Bettie Mackie C114054b. 9 Jan 1766,Auchterderran,Fifeshire, Scotland > > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please discontinue ANY further discussion on this list of the post that got through to the list with only a single link in the message body.  It is, as many of you have pointed out, spam and the link should not be used in any way.  Keep in mind however, that each of you who replied to it sending that link back to the list have ALSO SENT SPAM TO THE LIST, and did so knowingly.  This is something else that now must be dealt with as well. If you wish to discuss it further please do so OFF list, but it is inappropriate for discussion on the list. David E. Cann lanark-admin@rootsweb.com Admin of the Lanarkshire, Scotland mailing list on RootsWeb List information: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html

Hi Gay , Ruth and all *Never* open an attachment or click a link in a mail with no subject line or message in the body of the mail The collection of various addresses its been sent to are a big clue The senders computer has been compromised and is very likely unaware of the problem Delete and forget Admins can't intercept every mail unless the list is moderated and that is not a practical proposition on a permanent basis, neither should we want them to Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS it does not help to repeat the spammers work by repeating theirs back to the list > Debbi Dixon, > Could you please explain what the URL link is, in your latest email. > Is it a scam, Spam, a virus, some information or what.. > Some of us are wary enough NOT to open just any old thing that someone > decides to post to the list. > > Mr. Admin...do you know what this link is. ?? Is it safe to open it. ? > and if it is Spam why was it let through.!! with so may cc'd addresses. > Gay Fielding

My McKay/MacKay, McKie goes back to William born about 1871 Cumnock, Ayr, Scotland/Elizabeth Cochran Fergerson born 1 April Cumnock, Ayr, Scotland they had 7 children of which I am aware: George, David, William, John, Margaret, Thomas & Charles.

I got it in both my Cumberland anad Lanark Lists. It is a 'pitch'   Margaret Ontario

Duncan Agnes is entered as "daughter" of James and Sarah in the 1871 Census. I will send you the image of the original census off-list. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "duncan mcintosh" <duncan_mcintosh@yahoo.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] mctear - mattee Thanks a lot Rhoda for trying. I knew that Agnes was the daughter of Robert McTear and Jan Lundie but did not mention it as she would not have appeared on 1861 census anyway. Does she show as a niece on 1871 census or as a daughter to James and Sarah Matee (McTear). Robert McTear shows as Matteer on one census too :-) Duncan

How did this pass the censor? -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Dixon Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:13 PM To: sbrewer8091@alltel.net ; tonymcneil@sympatico.ca ; LANARK-L@rootsweb.com ; Philip.Staal@sympatico.ca ; margaret.reid@bigpond.com ; caldwell-request@rootsweb.com ; alexander-request@rootsweb.com ; bwood@bioforge.bcs.ca ; dghenry@hotmail.com Subject: [Lanark] (no subject) http://teodoroimpianti.it/to.php ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Duncan I couldn't find your family in the 1861 Census on Ancestry. I had a look at the 1871 Census and see that according to that, Agnes McTEAR was born in Saltcoats c1864. Scotlands People has only 1 birth of an Agnes M*c*t*r registered in Ayrshire between 1862 and 1866 and she was born in Saltcoats in 1864, BUT was the daughter of Robert McTear and Jane Lundie who were married in 1856 in Newtonards, Ireland (source: Agnes McTear's birth certificate). (There was no Agnes Mattee or Matee born in Ayrshire during this time). It may be that your GG Grandparents forgot to register the birth of Agnes if they had newly arrived from Ireland. I have come across a number of instances where Irish immigrants have not registered the births of children, including some in my own family. I think it may be that as newly arrived immigrants, they didn't realise that births had to be registered Rhoda

More About Thomas MACKIE and Mary SMITH: Marriage: 13 Dec 1861, Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland Children of Mary SMITH and Thomas MACKIE are: 16 i. Elizabeth4 MACKIE, born 09 Apr 1862 in Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland; died Jun 1863 in Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland. 17 ii. Robert MACKIE, born 04 Oct 1863 in Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland. 18 iii. James MACKIE, born 21 Nov 1865 in Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland; died Nov 1891 in Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland. 19 iv. Jane MACKIE, born 22 Oct 1867 in Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland. 20 v. Martha MACKIE, born 1870 in Carluke, Lanark, Scotland. 21 vi. Thomas MACKIE, born 1872 in Carluke, Lanark, Scotland. 22 vii. John MACKIE, born 1874 in Carluke, Lanark, Scotland. 23 viii. Charles MACKIE, born 1877 in Carluke, Lanark, Scotland. 24 ix. Andrew MACKIE, born 1879 in Carluke, Lanark, Scotland. 3.

Hello All This is some of my Mackey, Mackie, McKay family from the Cambusnethan area. Because of the variants of spelling of MacKay this makes this lot hard to track. Elizabeth MacKay married James Brown born abt 1839 Thomas MacKay married Mary Smith born abt 1841 Martha MacKay 1854 must have married a man with the same last name. Can't be sure though. As her burial lists her as a housewife. Mary MacKay 1851 married Alexander Renwick. Original Parents: Robert MacKay 1821 to ? and Sarah Jane Lindsay MacKay 1822 to 1868 died 45 yrs old. The burial information was kindly provided to me. It might help anyone to place our families together. All the dates are of burial, not death. JANE MACKIE, housewife, Morningside, aged 45 years, married. Parents - John Lindsay and Mary Crawford. Interred in public ground in the old churchyard, 5th June 1868. ELIZABETH MACKAY, Morningside, aged 10 months. Parents - Thomas Mackay and Mary Smith. Interred in public ground, new cemetery, 26th February 1863. JAMES MACKIE, engine driver, Motherwell, aged 25 years, married. Parents - Thomas Mackie and Mary Smith. Interred in Section D 411 & 412, 1st December 1891. (must have been a double plot) MARY BROWN, Carluke, aged 11 months. Parents - James Brown and Elizabeth Mackie. Interred in public ground in the old churchyard, 24th August 1869. AGNES BROWN, farm servant, Craigneuk, aged 22 years, single. Parents - James Brown and Elizabeth Mackie. Interred in Section D 411, 8th February 1893. (So, that links her to James Mackie aged 25, above). STILLBORN FEMALE BROWN, Wishaw. Parents - Robert Brown and Sarah McKay. Interred in public ground, new cemetery, 27th September 1879. WILLIAM RENWICK, Greenhill, aged 2 weeks. Parents - Alexander Renwick and Mary Mackay. Interred in public ground, old churchyard, 22nd January 1879. MARTHA MACKIE, housewife, Motherwell, aged 52 years, married. Parents - Robert Mackie and Jeanie Lindsay. Interred in Section E 60. 12th February 1913. CHARLES ALFRED BROWN, Motherwell, aged 5 years and 6 months. Parents - Charles Brown and Agnes Stone. Interred in Section E 60. 26th September 1912. Hope this helps in some way, Kind regards, Jim Leonard. Motherwell.

Jim, I have no exact match to any persons you listed, but I do have Renwicks in the 1600s and 1700s around Lesmahagow. My only connection to them is through a marriage to a Tacket in Les'gow in 1773. Do you see any connection? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lafinken@aol.com Sent: November 15, 2010 6:57 AM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] MacKay and its variant spellings, Brown, Renwick, Smith, Hello All This is some of my Mackey, Mackie, McKay family from the Cambusnethan area. Because of the variants of spelling of MacKay this makes this lot hard to track. Mary MacKay 1851 married Alexander Renwick. WILLIAM RENWICK, Greenhill, aged 2 weeks. Parents - Alexander Renwick and Mary Mackay. Interred in public ground, old churchyard, 22nd January 1879. Hope this helps in some way, Kind regards, Jim Leonard. Motherwell. -------------------------------

Thanks a lot Rhoda for trying. I knew that Agnes was the daughter of Robert McTear and Jan Lundie but did not mention it as she would not have appeared on 1861 census anyway. Does she show as a niece on 1871 census or as a daughter to James and Sarah Matee  (McTear). Robert McTear shows as Matteer on one census too :-)   Duncan    ----- Original Message ---- From: CandROverson <overson12@btinternet.com> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 11:04:56 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] mctear - mattee Hello Duncan I couldn't find your family in the 1861 Census on Ancestry. I had a look at the 1871 Census and see that according to that, Agnes McTEAR was born in Saltcoats c1864. Scotlands People has only 1 birth of an Agnes M*c*t*r registered in Ayrshire between 1862 and 1866 and she was born in Saltcoats in 1864, BUT was the daughter of Robert McTear and Jane Lundie who were married in 1856 in Newtonards, Ireland (source: Agnes McTear's birth certificate). (There was no Agnes Mattee or Matee born in Ayrshire during this time). It may be that your GG Grandparents forgot to register the birth of Agnes if they had newly arrived from Ireland. I have come across a number of instances where Irish immigrants have not registered the births of children, including some in my own family.  I think it may be that as newly arrived immigrants,  they didn't realise that births had to be registered Rhoda   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message