Hi Thank you for confirming all the things I knew. I have know found Margaret Kirk (Helen's mother) on the 1841 cenus, with 2 children that I am now struggling to place!! I am wondering if either Helen had more children or had married before or after Augustin. I will keep digging! Many thanks for your help, it is really appreciated. kind regards Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Help: Helen REID/LEGGAT/DE LA COSTA (DOUGLAS) > Hello Julie > > I haven't found out who your John DOUGLAS is but have found some info > relating to Helen REID. > > The Scotlands People (SP) OPR marriage index lists 8 children born to a > Robert REID and Margaret KIRK between 1791 and 1809. No Helen is listed > but > the other children were born in Arbroath (Angus), Glasgow and Greenock > (Renfrewshire) - starting off in Arbroath and ending up in Greenock. > > The OPR marriage index has the marriage or banns of a Helen Reid to > Augustin > Coort (sic) in Greenock New or Middle on 6 July 1814. According to Helen's > death certificate Augustus COAST (sic) was a seaman (what makes you think > his name was 'de la COSTA'?). I could find only 1 child born to this > couple > listed in the SP birth index. She was Helen COST (sic) born or baptised in > Greenock New of Middle on 2 July 1815. She married James SMITH in Hamilton > in 1835. There may have been other children who are not listed for one > reason or another. For example, a Margaret or Janet COAST married John > SMITH in Hamilton in 1839. I couldn't find a death registration for a > Catherine Douglas m.s. Telford and wondered if Catherine Douglas could > have > been Helen's daughter, and John Douglas Helen's son-in-law. > > The marriage index shows the marriage or banns of a Helen Reid to John > LEGGAT in Hamilton, Lanarkshire on 3 March 1839. > > The image of the entry of Helen's marriage to Augustin 'Coort' may be > downloaded from SP, although it is unlikely to tell you very much. > > Rhoda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Tyrell" <julie.zylon@btinternet.com> > To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:59 PM > Subject: [Lanark] Help: Helen REID/LEGGAT/DE LA COSTA (DOUGLAS) > > >> Hi all >> >> I have a real mystery and would appreciate and help or thoughts on my >> problem. >> >> Helen REID died in 1873 at 51 Marlbrough street, Glasgow - informant in >> John DOUGLAS (SON). >> She is named as the child of Robert REID and Margaret KIRK. 2 husbands >> are >> listed LEGGAT and De la COSTA. >> >> In 1871 she is living in at 56 Marlbrough Street. She is listed as >> grandmother. John DOUGLAS is listed as the head of household. >> >> I have no idea who John Douglas is ??? >> I have traced John back to the 1851 census and he appears to have married >> Catherine TELFORD. >> >> There is the birth of a John Douglas (abt. 1824, Hamilton) to James >> Douglas and Helen Paterson. >> >> But i still can not link him to Helen Reid. >> Any ideas. >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Julie I haven't found out who your John DOUGLAS is but have found some info relating to Helen REID. The Scotlands People (SP) OPR marriage index lists 8 children born to a Robert REID and Margaret KIRK between 1791 and 1809. No Helen is listed but the other children were born in Arbroath (Angus), Glasgow and Greenock (Renfrewshire) - starting off in Arbroath and ending up in Greenock. The OPR marriage index has the marriage or banns of a Helen Reid to Augustin Coort (sic) in Greenock New or Middle on 6 July 1814. According to Helen's death certificate Augustus COAST (sic) was a seaman (what makes you think his name was 'de la COSTA'?). I could find only 1 child born to this couple listed in the SP birth index. She was Helen COST (sic) born or baptised in Greenock New of Middle on 2 July 1815. She married James SMITH in Hamilton in 1835. There may have been other children who are not listed for one reason or another. For example, a Margaret or Janet COAST married John SMITH in Hamilton in 1839. I couldn't find a death registration for a Catherine Douglas m.s. Telford and wondered if Catherine Douglas could have been Helen's daughter, and John Douglas Helen's son-in-law. The marriage index shows the marriage or banns of a Helen Reid to John LEGGAT in Hamilton, Lanarkshire on 3 March 1839. The image of the entry of Helen's marriage to Augustin 'Coort' may be downloaded from SP, although it is unlikely to tell you very much. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Tyrell" <julie.zylon@btinternet.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:59 PM Subject: [Lanark] Help: Helen REID/LEGGAT/DE LA COSTA (DOUGLAS) > Hi all > > I have a real mystery and would appreciate and help or thoughts on my > problem. > > Helen REID died in 1873 at 51 Marlbrough street, Glasgow - informant in > John DOUGLAS (SON). > She is named as the child of Robert REID and Margaret KIRK. 2 husbands are > listed LEGGAT and De la COSTA. > > In 1871 she is living in at 56 Marlbrough Street. She is listed as > grandmother. John DOUGLAS is listed as the head of household. > > I have no idea who John Douglas is ??? > I have traced John back to the 1851 census and he appears to have married > Catherine TELFORD. > > There is the birth of a John Douglas (abt. 1824, Hamilton) to James > Douglas and Helen Paterson. > > But i still can not link him to Helen Reid. > Any ideas. >

> I have a real mystery and would appreciate and help or > thoughts on my problem. > I have no idea who John Douglas is ??? > I have traced John back to the 1851 census and he appears to > have married Catherine TELFORD. Go for his death certificate. Find Catherine's first, because she will be indexed under both Telford and Douglas. This will tell you whether John had died before her, which will narrow the search for his death certificate. Anne

Hi all I have a real mystery and would appreciate and help or thoughts on my problem. Helen REID died in 1873 at 51 Marlbrough street, Glasgow - informant in John DOUGLAS (SON). She is named as the child of Robert REID and Margaret KIRK. 2 husbands are listed LEGGAT and De la COSTA. In 1871 she is living in at 56 Marlbrough Street. She is listed as grandmother. John DOUGLAS is listed as the head of household. I have no idea who John Douglas is ??? I have traced John back to the 1851 census and he appears to have married Catherine TELFORD. There is the birth of a John Douglas (abt. 1824, Hamilton) to James Douglas and Helen Paterson. But i still can not link him to Helen Reid. Any ideas.

Came across these two entries, may be of interest to you Bob Cdn -------------------- REID, Elisabeth Christening Gender: Birth Date: 2 Oct 1806 Christening Date: 8 Oct 1806 Recorded in: Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Collection: Middle or New Parish Father: Robert REID Mother: Margaret KIRK Source: FHL Film 1041059 Dates: 1781 - 1820 REID, John Christening Gender: Birth Date: 24 Feb 1809 Christening Date: 5 Mar 1809 Recorded in: Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Collection: Middle or New Parish Father: Robert REID Mother: Margaret KIRK Source: FHL Film 1041059 Dates: 1781 - 1820 =================== On 10/12/2010 12:59 PM, Julie Tyrell wrote:<SNIP>...Helen REID died in 1873 at 51 Marlbrough street, Glasgow - informant in John DOUGLAS (SON). She is named as the child of Robert REID and Margaret KIRK. 2 husbands are listed LEGGAT and De la COSTA.... ==================

Forwarding on a little piece of information, found on another list. Cheers Gay Looking ahead to next year's opening of the new PRONI headquarters, the Minister added: "I recently had the privilege to visit the stunning new PRONI headquarters at Titanic Quarter. This much needed £30million investment in our cultural infrastructure was provided by the Northern Ireland Executive. The new state-of-the-art facility will open to the public early next year and will protect Northern Ireland's irreplaceable archives in a safe and secure environment." The wills are online at http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm

I`m lucky enough to own copies of Wilma S Boltons books, Black Faces and Tackety Boots and Pit props and Ponies, True stories from the Coal mines of Lanarkshire. I thoroughly recomend these well researched book. Many names of miners are included, who died in coal mining disasters including some of my ancestors. Wilma's site is www.wilmabolton.com

Thank you for sending this link. I have already found two ancestors - Isaac Scollick and James Skelly. -------------------------------------------------- From: <lafinken@aol.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:29 PM To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Coal mining disaster death lists > > > > have you seen this site? > > http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/5.html > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Duffs <the4duffs@verizon.net> > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 4:15 pm > Subject: [Lanark] Coal mining disaster death lists > > > Hi all- > > > > I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any records that the coal > mining > > companies kept to list deaths. I am particularly interested in the period > of > > 1820 to 1855. > > > > I hope to find a John Duff. > > > > Many thanks, > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information > > pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > > message before you post any reply > > > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or > > to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or > unsubscribing, or > > to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more > effectively, > > please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > > the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

have you seen this site? http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/5.html -----Original Message----- From: The Duffs <the4duffs@verizon.net> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 4:15 pm Subject: [Lanark] Coal mining disaster death lists Hi all- I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any records that the coal mining companies kept to list deaths. I am particularly interested in the period of 1820 to 1855. I hope to find a John Duff. Many thanks, Bob ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all- I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any records that the coal mining companies kept to list deaths. I am particularly interested in the period of 1820 to 1855. I hope to find a John Duff. Many thanks, Bob

Ruth, If she married in Toronto then I would hit your local FHL or Genealogical Society and search the Toronto City Directory from say 1917 on and see if you can spot her there under Graham. If you do find her, then find the year she is no longer listed under Graham and search the Ontario marriages which are available up until 1928. You can access these via inter-library loan through the Ontario Archives. I know some FHL and Genealogical Societies have these marriage records on fische. Cheers!!! Don -----Original Message----- Agnes was born 1898 in Glasgow. Her Father was William Graham & her Mother was Jane McKenzie. I cannot find a marriage for her on Scotland's People so assume she married in the Toronto, Ontario, Canada, where she lived & died.. I do not know when she came to Canada, but this would be helpful information.. She had a son Duncan, & a daughter, "Birdie". Her husband was blind in his latter years. Would love to find her married name. Any clues would be helpful. Thanks, Ruth ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for your help with my Thomas Bryce, I think I will be able to carry on a little bit further now. Fran -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lanark-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2010 2:09 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: LANARK Digest, Vol 5, Issue 291 Hi Fran, There is a patrons submission on LDS for the birth of Thomas Bryce 2nd July 1823 in Glasgow to Thomas Bryce and Isabella ALLAN. There is a similar patrons submission for William Bryce born 14 October 1819 in Glasgow to Thomas Bryce and Isabella ALLAN. If your Bryce family were anything like mine, they belonged to the Free Protesting congregation andthe records of their churches are no longer in existence. At least you have found some evidence of their births and particular surnames. I note with interest an 'extracted' listing in the IGI of the marriage of a Thomas Brice to an Isobell Allan on 4 May 1804 in Edinburgh St Cuthberts. That one is in www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk so you can go there and download an image of the original document at modest cost. ***********************************

Hi Ruth You should try the Ellis Island website. They have a very nice website from which you can get personal information such as what they looked like. Be creative with the name as they have a tendency not to spell things as we do. Bob On Dec 1, 2010, at 12:09 PM, <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> wrote: > Agnes was born 1898 in Glasgow. Her Father was William Graham & her Mother > was Jane McKenzie. I cannot find a marriage for her on Scotland's People so > assume she married in the Toronto, Ontario, Canada, where she lived & > died.. I do not know when she came to Canada, but this would be helpful > information.. > > She had a son Duncan, & a daughter, "Birdie". Her husband was blind in his > latter years. Would love to find her married name. > > Any clues would be helpful. > > Thanks, > > Ruth > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ruth, Have a look at Find my Past. and input her names. I found a few entries that meet your data info. http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action Bob Cdn ======================= On 01/12/2010 10:09 AM, ruth.enns@shaw.ca wrote<SNIP>...> Agnes was born 1898 in Glasgow. Her Father was William Graham& her Mother > was Jane McKenzie.... ==============

Agnes was born 1898 in Glasgow. Her Father was William Graham & her Mother was Jane McKenzie. I cannot find a marriage for her on Scotland's People so assume she married in the Toronto, Ontario, Canada, where she lived & died.. I do not know when she came to Canada, but this would be helpful information.. She had a son Duncan, & a daughter, "Birdie". Her husband was blind in his latter years. Would love to find her married name. Any clues would be helpful. Thanks, Ruth

Hello Bob, A few thoughts on the information so far. You say that the 1861 census states born LKS Glasgow. What is stated in other censuses? I recently did some research for a friend and the person she was looking for gave a birthplace of Dumbarton, Stirling and Falkirk in three different censuses. She was actually born in Helensburgh. Information on a certificate is only as good as that given by the person giving it. When I went to the registrar to register my mother's death I didn't take her birth or marriage certificates with me because I couldn't find them. My mum had dementia and hid everything. When emptying her house I eventually found one certificate in a pillowcase and the other wrapped in a towel! The information I gave was correct but I could have told the registrar anything. Good luck with your search. Janet

> If they say 'Jean Duff M S McMillin' this implies that his > parents were married, and you could try looking for a marriage > record. > If they say simply 'Jean McMillin' this implies that he was > illegitimate. I can't agree with this latter comment. It sounds similar to another made to me some years ago, that the registration index beginning with 'B" meant that the child was a b--t--d, when in fact it meant that the child was born in the Brisbane area of Queensland. All the certificates of my relatives, birth, marriage and death, state the name of the mother as the maiden name. The parents were all definitely married, none of the childen were illegitimate. The only time the name of the mother was stated as the married name/maiden name was when she was a widow or previously married. Gay ----- Original Message -----

Hi Fran, There is a patrons submission on LDS for the birth of Thomas Bryce 2nd July 1823 in Glasgow to Thomas Bryce and Isabella ALLAN. There is a similar patrons submission for William Bryce born 14 October 1819 in Glasgow to Thomas Bryce and Isabella ALLAN. If your Bryce family were anything like mine, they belonged to the Free Protesting congregation andthe records of their churches are no longer in existence. At least you have found some evidence of their births and marriages, allbeit a patrons submission. I haven't found anything for my Bryce clan and I don't think you and I have any common Bryce connections, as far as I can tell. Cheers Gay > I am trying to find the birth of Janet SWAN the daughter of John SWAN and > Janet PEARSON she was said to > have been born around 1827 in Glasgow. Janet married Thomas BRYCE 25 July > 1845 in Gorbals, he was born around 1823. His brother William was born in > Glasgow in 1819 to Thomas BRYCE and Isobella ALLAN, have found nothing for > Thomas. > Have found no other children to this couple. > Fran Stewart > > Brisbane Australia

Back on the list after many years. I am trying to find the birth of Janet SWAN the daughter of John SWAN and Janet PEARSON she was said to have been born around 1827 in Glasgow. Janet married Thomas BRYCE 25 July 1845 in Gorbals, he was born around 1823. His brother William was born in Glasgow in 1819 to Thomas BRYCE and Isobella ALLAN, have found nothing for Thomas. Have found no other children to this couple. Fran Stewart Brisbane Australia

Hi Bob, Here are some thoughts. Have you tried looking for a marriage for the parents, to confirm that little bit of a possibility. I couldn't find any LDS record of a marriage for John Duff or Jean/Jane McMillin and don't have credits left for the ''pay'' sites like scotlandspeople and findmypast.. . Perhaps Scotlandspeople may be able to solve the mystery.of the marriage. Perhaps his father may have been in the Army and married overseas, There are 10 John Duffs who served in the British Army and were granted Chelsea Pensions, Four or five of those are possible candidates based on their period of service. Find my past now has the Chelsea Pension records online , as well as Marriages overseas 1761-1994 and Births overseas 1761-1994 . Perhaps his parents marriage is amongst those records which are not on Scotlandspeople and recorded separately on the Mitchell Library database.. The Mitchell will be able to help you out if you email them. Their address is Archives@csglasgow.org You may have tried all or some of these...but Good Luck and Happy Christmas. Cheers Gay -----