> I use the Scotlandspeople site on a very regular basis and was > aware of the > Wills up to the 1925 time frame, but it was the indexes that > are mentioned > that are available via the Virtual Volumes, that I was > referring to, and > that they are only in the search room. If it is just the indexes, they were originally in large printed tomes, and copies of said tomes are available in other places, for example I know that the West Lothian Local History Library has some, and I am almost certain that the Mitchell Library has some too. But you'll still have to wait for the National Records to respond to tell you how much it will cost to get a copy of the actual will. Anne

Looking to contact Marina Black, Tacoma, Washington. Are you still with the Lanark site Marina would love to hear from you Kind regards Jean in Scotland

> Where can I find more information about who David HAMILTON > was? His > age? > His parents' names? What was his occupation? Where was he > from? Was > he > married or single? Anything? You have his address in December 1900, so you could see if you could find him in the 1901 census, which was taken just a few months later. This is available at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk at modest cost. I have never attempted to find the actual records of the proceedings of a court case for paternity, but you know that it is the Lanarkshire Sheriff Court, so you could start by asking the Glasgow City Archives where the records of the Sheriff Court are (if they have survived). I would be most surprised if the court records added anything much more in the way of information about David Hamilton, other than perhaps an occupation. You could also ask the Mitchell Library if there is anything about Isabella Barriskill in the Poor Law records. The normal reason for pursuing an errant father was to make him pay for the child's upkeep, so it does seem strange that the court case should have been held after the baby died. Could there perhaps have been another, earlier baby that lived, and the case was brought for the maintenance of that child, generating an RCE entry for the dead baby as a sort of sideline? Anne

> One says current response time is within 20 working days and > the other > says 40 working days. I was surprised by that, so I rang them up. I know that there have been problems recently as their entire system was down for over a week, and they consequently have a large backlog to work through. The statutory time limit within which they have to respond is 20 working days, but I was assured that you should get your response sooner than that. > I found it strange that they had very few online indexes, but > they stated > they had quite a lot but only available to search and use in > the search > rooms. The complete indexes are online from the earliest ones right through to 1925, and you can download digital images of the wills which cost GBP 2.33 each. > Does anyone know if they plan in the future to extend those > indexes onto the > online site. My understanding after today's telephone conversation is that further digitisation of wills is in the pipeline and will eventually be undertaken, but at the moment resources are being concentrated on digitising the valuation rolls. > I am sure it would help reduce some of the enquiries, as if I > could do the search myself (even for a small fee), then I > would know what is > available and then be able to order it via online. I think I > must be spoilt > with NZ and Australian Archives in that there is quite a bit I > can order > online via the indexes they have made available, and even > emails are > answered within about 24/48 hours regarding enquiries. Aye, well, it may be easier to get Australian wills than Scottish ones after 1925, but it's a lot harder and very much more expensive to get Australian birth, marriage and death certificates. What you lose on the swings you gain on the roundabouts, and vice versa. And at least all the Scottish ones are in one place. According to http://genealogy.about.com/od/australia/a/Australian-Wills-And-Estates.htm it could be pretty difficult finding one. If this is up to date and correct, most states seem not to have online indexes at all. Anne

Even though the baby died before the court case was decided, the mother would still have been entitled to some money from the father for support during her pregnancy and for the few months the child lived. Also, if she received Poor Relief, I imagine they would have been entitled to reimbursement from the father. As many poor women brought paternity cases before the various Sheriff Courts, I would expect that the costs were not high. The mother would have needed to supply affidavits or witnesses, but would not necessarily have needed legal representation which is today the largest part of the costs of bringing suit. Jo-Ann On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Anne Burgess <[email protected]>wrote: > > The normal reason for pursuing an errant father was to make him > pay for the child's upkeep, so it does seem strange that the > court case should have been held after the baby died. Could > there perhaps have been another, earlier baby that lived, and > the case was brought for the maintenance of that child, > generating an RCE entry for the dead baby as a sort of sideline? > > Anne > > >

Many thanks to Nivard and Anne for your help. I did not know what the term in Scotland would be regarding details left in a Will. So thanks Anne for the explanation. In Australia as well as NZ it is called Probate. Not everyone has Probate on their Will either, as it depends on the value of the estate left behind, hence you may or may not find anything regarding a person and what they have left or written in a Will. I have just finished emailing NRS to enquire about the index they say they have in the search room for Wills from the Annual Calendars of Confirmation, and my time period is well covered. I have immediately received back two automated replies. One says current response time is within 20 working days and the other says 40 working days. Boy, that is a long time for a response, so I hope it works out quicker than that. They must get lots of enquiries. I found it strange that they had very few online indexes, but they stated they had quite a lot but only available to search and use in the search rooms. Does anyone know if they plan in the future to extend those indexes onto the online site. I am sure it would help reduce some of the enquiries, as if I could do the search myself (even for a small fee), then I would know what is available and then be able to order it via online. I think I must be spoilt with NZ and Australian Archives in that there is quite a bit I can order online via the indexes they have made available, and even emails are answered within about 24/48 hours regarding enquiries. Time to send you the documents can take up to 15 days, but it does come via email in pdf format. Again many thanks for the replies, Anne and Nivard Ailsa Ailsa Corlett [email protected] www.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: [email protected] >-----Original Message----- >From: Anne Burgess [mailto:[email protected]] > >There would have been an analagous legal process called confirmation, >and there are annual Calendars of Confirmation at least as late as 1950- >ish - I have forgotten the last available date offhand. You do not need >a professional genealogist - just e-mail the National Records of >Scotland giving them the full name and date of death, and ask them how >much it would cost to get a photocopy. > >Anne

McNeill Y-DNA descended from Lachlan McNeill of Tirfergus, Kintyre 1611-1695 is I1 (tested to 37 markers through Family Tree). Lachlan was from earlier Gigha McNeills. Bonnie. On 13 Mar 2014, at 8:47 am, Jack Torrance <[email protected]> wrote: > What is the predominate y-DNA that indicate a Scot with Norse ancestry? > > > My Torrance(Torrence) ancestors are from Larkhall/Sorn area and my y-DNA is I2a subclade I-P37.2 western. > > Jack Torrance > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Lanark Hamilton ancestry is I1 which I believe is called Transitional Viking On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:04 PM, Cliff. Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: The I-haplogroup indicates Vikings. Cliff. ________________________________ From: Jack Torrance <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: [Lanark] Norse in Scotland   What is the predominate y-DNA that indicate a Scot with Norse ancestry? My Torrance(Torrence) ancestors are from Larkhall/Sorn area and my y-DNA is I2a subclade I-P37.2 western. Jack Torrance   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I always thought my Scottish ancestors were Norse, eg family name Skead (Sked and other spellings ) pronounced Skade, and Skade is a Norse Goddess. They lived on a farm on the shores south of Dunbar - Skateraw farm regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Vikings in Scotland http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/scale-of-viking-ancestry-uncovered-1-3334618 There goes another one of my suppositions as I thought Yorkshire, England had more Viking influence than other part of the British Isles. I’m still working on a possibility that someone from Yorkshire could possibly be my great-great-great-great grandfather (1712) whose surname may have been Danish. Should I blame the schools where a lot of the emphasis was taught on Viking incursions in England, the Danelaw, Durham, Lindisfarne, etc., but not much at all about the Viking influence in Scotland? On the timeline the Viking influence in Scotland doesn’t even get a look-in, all in England: However, a bone: “””See also: Genetic history of the British Isles and Scandinavian migration to the United Kingdom In 2000 the BBC commissioned a genetic survey of the British Isles by a team from University College London led by Professor David Goldstein for its programme 'Blood of the Vikings'. It concluded that Norse invaders settled sporadically throughout the British Isles with a particular concentration in certain areas, such as Orkney and Shetland. In this finding, the Vikings refers to Norwegian Vikings only, as the study did not set out to genetically distinguish descendants of Danish Vikings from descendants of Anglo-Saxon settlers. That was decided on the basis that the latter two groups originated from areas that overlap each other on the continental North Sea coast (ranging from the Jutland peninsula to Belgium), and were therefore deemed inconvenient or difficult to genetically distinguish....””” The Central Belt (Lanarkshire) has been a British Isles hodge-podge of peoples “forever,” with many Irish changing the profile of Glasgow in the mid-1800s and on, as an example. Now with the EU, who is to say who is what (or who) a few generations hence. In my own tree it was very simple to find my forebears in the north of England, Ireland (north and south) and predominantly in Southwest Scotland and the Central Belt. I have less than a handful of “hielan’ blood” with Mac in front of their names. Most settled as Lowlanders. More to chew on, but I am not touching DNA as my brain rebels! Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ailsa The last time I ordered copies of a will was a while back, it was for a 1917 will and it cost me quite a bit That was the reason I suggested a researcher, they would likely give you a quicker service As you have the year of death you could ask for an estimate for the service Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/03/2014 00:01, Ailsa Corlett wrote: > Many thanks to Nivard and Anne for your help. I did not know what the term > in Scotland would be regarding details left in a Will. So thanks Anne for > the explanation. In Australia as well as NZ it is called Probate. Not > everyone has Probate on their Will either, as it depends on the value of the > estate left behind, hence you may or may not find anything regarding a > person and what they have left or written in a Will. >

Hi, I know that my Great Grandmother must have left a will when she died in 1946, as my Mother along with her brother and sister and Father were summoned to a Solicitors office in Dunedin New Zealand and told that money had been left to them. But the money had to be spent on clothes for the children and they were to return to the solicitors office with a photograph showing the new clothes. I actually have that photo (unfortunately no actual date on it). As the Wills on Scotlandspeople site does not go this far, any idea if there is a index regarding wills going past the dates on scotlandspeople, and also where is the most likely place for a copy of this will/ probate to be housed if it still exists. I am not certain if probate would have taken place, as the valuation rolls (1920) shows that she was the tenant of the house and shop. She was the postmistress at Provident Place Thorniewood. I have photos of the shop as my Mother went to stay when she was only 3yrs old and then returned to NZ when she was 6yrs. Also would I need to employ a professional genealogist to search for it. Any ideas and tips would be helpful. BTW thanks Jim for running the list and thank you Billy for taking it over. I have found lots of great information on this list. regards Ailsa Ailsa Corlett [email protected] www.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: [email protected]

I have transcribed one of the images sent to me in response to my Hugh Logan inquiry. I will do the other two as I have the time. If anyone wishes a copy of the image, let me know off list. Jo-Ann Croft Cemetery/Number/Name/Designation/Residence/Sex/Age/Status/Parents/Lair/Funeral Date New/541/Margaret Campbell/Domestic/Edinburgh/F/62/Married/Absalom Henry & _____/-/15 July 1886 Old/542/William Simpson/Weaver/Airdrie/M/65/Married/____Simpson & Margaret Currie/-/15 July 1886 Old/543/William Brown/Railway Porter/Glasgow/M/41/Married/Robert Brown & Susan Brown/-/19 July 1886 Old/544/Alexander Shankie/Shoemaker/Castlegate/M/63/Married/John Shankie & Helen Hope/-/21 July 1886 Old/545/Isabella McPhillaway/Domestic/??/F/86/Widowed/John Forrest & Isabella McKendrick/-/21 July 1886 Old/546/Robert Hislop/Clerk/North Vennel/M/20/Single/John Hislop & Mary Barrie/-/23 July 1886 Old/547/John Paterson/pupil/Wellgatehead/M/4m/Single/William Paterson & Jane Mair/-/27 July 1886 Old/548/Isabella McNaught/Domestic/St Leonard St/F/69/Widowed/James Simpson & Janet Scott/-/5 Aug 1886 New/549/Mary Jardine/Domestic/New Lanark/87/Widowed/John Bairn & ____/-/6 Aug 1886 Old/550/Alexander Bryce/Clerk/Glasgow/M/-/Widower/James Bryce & ____ Wood/-/7 Aug 1886 New/551/Thomas Carson/Fruit Merchant/Wellgate/M/32/Married/David Carson & Elizabeth Anderson/-/7 Aug 1886 New/552/Adam White/pupil/Old Bridgend/M/2d/Single/Adam White & Mary White Lightbody/-/13 Aug 1886 Old/553/John Syme/Mechanic/Kirkfield Bank/M/65/Married/James Syme & Lillias Baxter/-/14 Aug 1886 Old/554/Harriet Ballentyne/Housewife/Glasgow/F/76/Married/John Crosley & Margaret Grey/-/23 Aug 1886 Old/555/Ann C McAllister/pupil/High Street/F/11m/Single/Wm S McAllister & Elizabeth McCoubray/-/23 Aug 1886 Old/556/Harriet Ballentyne/Housewife/Glasgow/F/76/Married/John Crosley & Margaret Grey/-/23 Aug 1886 Old/557/Thomas Mills/Innkeeper/Bloomgate/M/72/Widower/John Mills & Isabella Rutherford/-/23 Aug 1886 Old/558/Hugh Logan/Labourer/High Street/M/82/Widower/Hugh Logan & Alice Kinnarid/-/28 Aug 1886 New/559/Marion Stephenson/pupil/North Vennel/F/13d/Single/Alexr Stephenson & Janet L Henderson/-/30 Aug 1886 NOTE 1: the repeat of Harriet Ballentyne is as recorded. NOTE 2: No lair numbers were recorded.

Mine is I1, not common for Elliott's, but I have been told that I come from Border Scots, but maybe 500 years ago. Bob Elliott -----Original Message----- From: Jack Torrance Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Norse in Scotland What is the predominate y-DNA that indicate a Scot with Norse ancestry? My Torrance(Torrence) ancestors are from Larkhall/Sorn area and my y-DNA is I2a subclade I-P37.2 western. Jack Torrance ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is the predominate y-DNA that indicate a Scot with Norse ancestry? My Torrance(Torrence) ancestors are from Larkhall/Sorn area and my y-DNA is I2a subclade I-P37.2 western. Jack Torrance

> I am not certain if probate would have taken place Probate would definitely not have taken place if she died leaving a will in Scotland. Despite what A******y would have you believe, there is no such thing as probate in Scots law; the term has therefore no meaning in relation to wills in Scotland. There would have been an analagous legal process called confirmation, and there are annual Calendars of Confirmation at least as late as 1950-ish - I have forgotten the last available date offhand. You do not need a professional genealogist - just e-mail the National Records of Scotland giving them the full name and date of death, and ask them how much it would cost to get a photocopy. Anne

Hello List I am seeking a Jeannie Armstrong Hynes Ward, The information I have id her parents were Patrick Ward and Mary Brown nee Armstrong and they lived at Old Row Denniston in 1908. My problem it states Denniston ,Midlothian Any information will be welcomed. Thank you in Advance Bob Sent from Windows Mail

The I-haplogroup indicates Vikings. Cliff. ________________________________ From: Jack Torrance <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: [Lanark] Norse in Scotland What is the predominate y-DNA that indicate a Scot with Norse ancestry? My Torrance(Torrence) ancestors are from Larkhall/Sorn area and my y-DNA is I2a subclade I-P37.2 western. Jack Torrance   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers , I am looking for descendent of Joseph and Susan Mc Aleavey from the Motherwell area possibly Wishaw as that is where Susan died 1994 she the daughter of James Quinn and MaryAnn nee Mckenna of Motherwell Many thanks Olwyn

Northumberland with its center or capital in York was a Viking stronghold for centuries and was part of the Viking kingdom ruled by King Hring of Denmark.  When William the Conqueror made his tour of the north of England to subdue resistance to his new rule, the Earl of Northumbria swore fealty to William who was kin to him.  Margaret, wife of King David I of Scotland, was also kin.  It was one big, happy family, so to speak. Cliff. ________________________________ From: Maisie Egger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:39 PM Subject: [Lanark] Vikings in Scotland http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/scale-of-viking-ancestry-uncovered-1-3334618 There goes another one of my suppositions as I thought Yorkshire, England had more Viking influence than other part of the British Isles.  I’m still working on a possibility that someone from Yorkshire could possibly be my  great-great-great-great grandfather  (1712) whose surname may have been Danish. Should I blame the schools where a lot of the emphasis was taught on Viking incursions in England, the Danelaw, Durham, Lindisfarne, etc., but not much at all about the Viking influence in Scotland? On the timeline the Viking influence in Scotland doesn’t even get a look-in, all in England:  However, a bone: “””See also: Genetic history of the British Isles and Scandinavian migration to the United Kingdom In 2000 the BBC commissioned a genetic survey of the British Isles by a team from University College London led by Professor David Goldstein for its programme 'Blood of the Vikings'. It concluded that Norse invaders settled sporadically throughout the British Isles with a particular concentration in certain areas, such as Orkney and Shetland. In this finding, the Vikings refers to Norwegian Vikings only, as the study did not set out to genetically distinguish descendants of Danish Vikings from descendants of Anglo-Saxon settlers. That was decided on the basis that the latter two groups originated from areas that overlap each other on the continental North Sea coast (ranging from the Jutland peninsula to Belgium), and were therefore deemed inconvenient or difficult to genetically distinguish....””” The Central Belt (Lanarkshire) has been a British Isles hodge-podge of peoples “forever,” with many  Irish changing the profile of Glasgow in the mid-1800s and on, as an example.  Now with the EU, who is to say who is what (or who) a few generations hence.  In my own tree it was very simple to find my forebears in the north of England, Ireland  (north and south) and predominantly in Southwest Scotland and the Central Belt.  I have less than a handful of “hielan’ blood” with Mac in front of their names.  Most settled as Lowlanders. More to chew on, but I am not touching DNA as my brain rebels! Maisie   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please tell me where I might find a burial from 1883, probably in Carluke. The name is Peter Thornton. Thank you, Jeannette