Nivard, I tried adding my daughter and her son to my family tree and it kept asking me for the husband's name!! There is no husband!! Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: lanark <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [Lanark] PAF help Hi Lorraine I don't know who gave you that idea but PAF handles it with no problems Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/03/2014 22:52, Lorraine wrote: > Ken, > I also found out that PAF doesn't support an unmarried mother with children. I'm not sure about what to do!! > > > Lorraine ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, I also found out that PAF doesn't support an unmarried mother with children. I'm not sure about what to do!! Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Ken <[email protected]> To: Query Lanark <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:47 pm Subject: [Lanark] PAF help I know there are a lot of knowledgeable PAF users out there and I hope one of you can help me. I finally gave up on my boat-anchor WinXP computer and today got a Win7. I'm re-installing all my software (where compatible) and find that the FamilySearch site no longer supports software downloads. What do I do? My thoughts are: . Re-install from my 15-yr old PAF5.2 (which is quite outdated)? . Copy the most recent PAF exe file I downloaded a year or two ago from the old to the new computer and then install from it? Any other ideas - such as some site that will help someone who has been using PAF since DOS days? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know there are a lot of knowledgeable PAF users out there and I hope one of you can help me. I finally gave up on my boat-anchor WinXP computer and today got a Win7. I'm re-installing all my software (where compatible) and find that the FamilySearch site no longer supports software downloads. What do I do? My thoughts are: . Re-install from my 15-yr old PAF5.2 (which is quite outdated)? . Copy the most recent PAF exe file I downloaded a year or two ago from the old to the new computer and then install from it? Any other ideas - such as some site that will help someone who has been using PAF since DOS days? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada

A Song for Spring The flowery Spring leads sunny Summer, The yellow Autumn presses near; Then in his turn comes gloomy Winter, Till smiling Spring again appear. Thus seasons dancing, life advancing, Old Time and Nature their changes tell; But never ranging, still unchanging, And I adore my bonie Bell. Bonie Bell by Robert Burns Tune: Bonie Bell --------- To learn more about how Scotland’s national poet, Robert Burns, is still honoured in his homeland and in such as the Ukraine --- go to: http://www.rbwf.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/RBWF-Newsletter-March2014.pdf (1759-1796) Robert Burns was born in Ayrshire, next door to Lanarkshire, and died in Dumfriesshire. The three counties (or shires) abut one another. Many of the old buildings Burns would stay at in the core of old Glasgow are probably long since demolished in the Saltmarket, Glassford St., and the Trongate. I was very lucky to grow up in Glasgow before the ‘demolition boys’ wrecked the joint. I remember some of the old buildings which helped to give Glasgow the reputation as being the finest Victorian city in the U.K. Of course, Burns would have stayed in Glasgow long before Victorian architecture, some of whose buildings were still standing before the 1960s. http://www.robertburns.plus.com/BurnsGlasgow.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Maclehose One of Robert Burns’s loves was Agnes (Nancy) McLehose, but this may have been a platonic relationship as she was married to a not so nice person. They may just have been ‘unconsumated soulmates.’ :::Incidentally, Mrs. McLehose was a Glasgow girl. She was born Nancy Craig in the Salt Market, Glasgow in 1759 (the same year as Burns). She was the daughter of Andrew Craig, a Glasgow surgeon. One of her letters to Burns takes advantage of one of his Glasgow visits PS: Will you take the trouble to pick up a small parcel left for me at Dunlop and Wilson, the Booksellers of Trongate, Glasgow, and bring it with you on the fly? It was the same Nancy McLehose who, in 1791, inspired the immortal love song of parting, Ae Fond Kiss, and for that she herself is immortal.::: Sir Walter Scott thought that 'Ae Fond Kiss' contained the 'essence of a thousand love tales'. :::Clarinda died in 1841, aged 83, some 45 years after Robert Burns. But there was one final poignant part to this romantic tale. In 1821 the 56 year old Jean Armour met a number of the Bard’s friends including ‘pretty Nancy.’ Jean said “I well remember the visit by Agnes McLehose, we had tea together and talked at length about our families, it was most evident that she had a fondness for Robert.” The two ladies are said to have got on very well as they swapped tales of the man, ‘wha should hae had twa wives.’::: “Ae” can mean one, single, or the last. Sometimes the title of the song is written as Yea Fond Kiss (yea, more than that). There are many different melodies to the words. My favourite is the one my niece played on the violin at my brother’s funeral as it was his favourite. It is incredible to think that Burns’s influence is still felt well over 200 years on. The Ayrshire/Dumfriesshire/Lanarkshire speech patterns can still be heard with many words used in Burns’s time still used. It is a credit to the Robert Burns Federation that they still sponsor such as poetry contests, not only in Scotland but in foreign countries. Russia/Ukraine are very actively involved and send contestants to participate each year. :::When one considers that the Scots tongue was arrested in its development in the sixteenth century, lost caste in the seventeenth, and was relegated to the position of a despised and exhausted patois by the self-appointed intellegentsia of Scotland in the eighteenth, one can appreciate more fully the achievement of Burns in bringing out to the full its half-hidden strength and resources and in restoring it to an honoured place among the poetic languages of the world. Would that our generation could do half as well, or even thought that it was worth doing.::: http://www.robertburns.org.uk/scots_tongue.htm

As many long standing members of this list will remember Jean (Gene) for her wonderful stories and what I call funny “ditties”, I would like to inform you that Jean has been going through a very tough time. I hadn’t heard nor received replies from her for many months since she informed me that she had been diagnosed with Lymphoma. I have managed to make contact with her young grand daughter who wouldn’t know me from a bar of soap...I asked questions and have received the most beautiful reply from her telling me that not only has Jean dealt with the Lymphoma she has been dealing with Breast Cancer as well. Apparently Jean is coping well, has had great support and positivity. In the meantime I am awaiting another message giving me contact details.......having met Jean on my previous visit to Scotland she is one bag of laughs.....my thoughts go out to her and her family. While in the same vane, another former list member May Schulte has also gone through some very traumatic times with cancer and treatment and is hopefully on the mend. There are most probably other members of this list fighting battles of one kind or another......I think we all wish you well! Looking forward to everyone posting their brickwalls... Jenny --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thanks ‘Pops” for taking over our list at the time you did, you allowed the freedom to post! I wish you well in that which you have chosen to enjoy in the months and years ahead... To Billy, well, you supported us before and you have again in this time of Jim’s retirement, thank you! Now, to go pack my bag to ‘maybe’ catch up with you in Glasgow during this coming May........bring on the sunshine! Jenny --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thank you, Jenny, for the update on Jean Smith. I haven't heard from her in ages, but I do keep my end of it up by e-mailing her from time to time. Maybe a wee handwritten note will further let her know that we are thinking of her. If anyone would like Jean's e-mail address I'll send it offline. Like my sister-in-law's clootie dumplimg bursting and her three word exclamation causing me to laugh until the tears ran down my face, I also remember howling at Jean's descriptive and humorous forays into Galloway where she met up with some "coos" (cows) in a field in the gloaming as she was researching her McGee forebears. She had a flair for writing humorously about her experiences in trying to do family research that I used to encourage her to find an editor who would encourage her to publish her "daft wee stories". Needless to say, we wish all the best for Jean. In addition to being wheelchair bound she is now faced with other health challenges. As my good Catholic friend used to say to me, "Offer it up!" Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Myers Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Do you remember Jean Smith and others! A little OFF TOPIC As many long standing members of this list will remember Jean (Gene) for her wonderful stories and what I call funny “ditties”, I would like to inform you that Jean has been going through a very tough time. I hadn’t heard nor received replies from her for many months since she informed me that she had been diagnosed with Lymphoma. I have managed to make contact with her young grand daughter who wouldn’t know me from a bar of soap...I asked questions and have received the most beautiful reply from her telling me that not only has Jean dealt with the Lymphoma she has been dealing with Breast Cancer as well. Apparently Jean is coping well, has had great support and positivity. In the meantime I am awaiting another message giving me contact details.......having met Jean on my previous visit to Scotland she is one bag of laughs.....my thoughts go out to her and her family. While in the same vane, another former list member May Schulte has also gone through some very traumatic times with cancer and treatment and is hopefully on the mend. There are most probably other members of this list fighting battles of one kind or another......I think we all wish you well! Looking forward to everyone posting their brickwalls... Jenny --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.scotsatwar.co.uk/rollofhonour2.htm#C A reminder that this Scots at War site might be a useful tool for someone. Maisie

Were the parents involved with the UK military in Cyprus, and were they of Scottish origin? Because if so, whatever record of the marriage exists is almost certainly in the Minor Records. I would certainly get that checked before trying to grapple with the civil authorities there. Anne

> Overseas events for those normally resident in Scotland should > be > recorded > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ..... but may not contain the same amount of information as a standard Scottish marriage certificate; in particular, it may not tell you the couple's mothers' names, let alone their maiden surnames. Anne

Hi Margaret If it was recorded it would be in the minor records indexes You would need to either visit in person or employ a researcher to check the indexes and then get the certificate or get an extract See the following for a list of records <http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CFYQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk%2Fpdf%2FCentre%2520Leaflet%2520June%25202013.pdf&ei=ZnQoU8fTAciRhQeGjYDQCA&usg=AFQjCNFup7dUFz_-U4urBPa3wN2sPU0Nrg&bvm=bv.62922401,d.ZG4&cad=rja> Overseas events for those normally resident in Scotland should be recorded Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/03/2014 15:28, Margaret McNab wrote: > I have a Scottish birth certificate with the parents marriage in Cyprus 1996. I need the marriage certificate to find the the names of the grandparents of the child . Anyone know how I can 'see' a copy of the marriage certificate. > Thanks > Margaret

Thank you everyone for your suggestions. I will try them all.. The wedding took place in Cyprus 1996. Their first child was born  in Scotland a year later. On the birth certificate both parents are listed as professionals working in the area where their daughter was born. I suspect the parents had chosen to have their wedding in a warm sunny place.  What a chore it is going to be for future generations looking for information. Thanks again   Margaret

Margaret, It looks like there is no central office for BDM info in Cyprus. I have provided a link to a website that lists all the District Administrative offices. Unless you know where in Cyprus the couple married, you will need to contact each one. A different website with wedding information gave a price of 14 Euros for a copy of a marriage certificate. http://cyprus.angloinfo.com/information/moving/residency/local-administration/ You could also try contacting the Cypriot Embassy or Consul for your country for more information. Jo-Ann On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Margaret McNab <[email protected]>wrote: > I have a Scottish birth certificate with the parents marriage in Cyprus > 1996. I need the marriage certificate to find the the names of the > grandparents of the child . Anyone know how I can 'see' a copy of the > marriage certificate. > Thanks > Margaret > >

Hi Folks, 'The Wellgate' is a street in the old part of Lanark, the Town ... it's one of the oldest, from the time when Lanark had a castle and walls ... G Russell Carluke, near Lanark --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

G'day Jo-Ann, I have an interest in all things Paterson. I noticed amongst the list you recently posted a John Paterson which cemetery is it where he is buried in the Old section No 547 ? According to your transcription my understanding is that he was only 4 months old as such how could he also be listed as a Pupil ? As he was buried on 27Jul 1886 he would only have been born about March the same year. A bit young to be at school even Kindergarten, of course we Scot's are pretty clever. There is another entry further down showing Address as Wellgate would that be closeby Wellgatehead and where in Lanarkshire is this place? Gratefully yours Col Paterson In Hot n Sweaty Queensland (Oz)

I have a Scottish birth certificate with the parents marriage in Cyprus 1996. I need the marriage certificate to find the the names of the grandparents of the child . Anyone know how I can 'see' a copy of the marriage certificate. Thanks  Margaret

Hello Col, 1. These records are for the Lanark Cemetery in Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland. The cemetery has four separate sections - St Kentigern's, St Nicholas', St Leonard's and St Catherine's. The "Old" refers to St Kentigern's. I do not know which one is referred to as "New". 2.The 547 is the record number, not the lair or burial site number. These months of records contained no lair information. 3. The recordkeeper used the Pupil designation for all small children as you will see in the image I will send to you. 4. I am not familiar with the town or parish of Lanark, so I cannot supply any idea of locations. You could try a map search for Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland. I do know that it was a Royal Burgh and was the source of the county name. Jo-Ann On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Col Paterson <[email protected]> wrote: > G'day Jo-Ann, I have an interest in all things Paterson. I noticed amongst > the list you recently posted a John Paterson which cemetery is it where he > is buried in the Old section No 547 ? According to your transcription my > understanding is that he was only 4 months old as such how could he also be > listed as a Pupil ? As he was buried on 27Jul 1886 he would only have been > born about March the same year. A bit young to be at school even > Kindergarten, of course we Scot's are pretty clever. > There is another entry further down showing Address as Wellgate would that > be closeby Wellgatehead and where in Lanarkshire is this place? > Gratefully yours > Col Paterson > In Hot n Sweaty Queensland (Oz) > >

Irene, That is not a Baronetcy. A Baronetcy is a hereditary knighthood. There were 2 major groups both founded by James VI. The Baronets of Nova Scotia were founded to raise the cash to pay for the development of Canada and the Knights Baronet were founded to pay for the Plantation of Ireland. In the 19th century they also became popular for industrialists and politicians. The most recent Baronetcy created is currently held by Sir Mark Thatcher 2nd Bart, of the title created for his late father, Sir Dennis. Many think this was done because as a former Prime Minister, Mrs Thatcher was entitled to have an "Earldom" created, which as a woman would see her a Countess. Because there were suggestions of an outcry, she only took a Life Peerage which did not pass to her son unlike an Earldom which would. She created an Earldom for Harold MacMillan who had been PM in the 1950s when he became Earl of Stockton, a title now held by his grandson I think. If there are Baronies (note the difference) which attach to small parcels of land these are pre-existing and almost certainly relate to the footprint of a building which at one time was a castle or fortified house at the centre of an estate. The sort of thing Maisie was referring to is people who find themselves buying a piece of ground roughly 1 foot by 1 foot square having been told that enables them to call themselves "Lord" or "Lady". Your lady in England had bought a Baronial title. There is a semi-official organisation which administers the sale of these. Regards, Mark From: Irene Macleod [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 17 March 2014 15:16 To: [email protected] Cc: Maisie Egger; Newsgroup Lanarkshire Subject: Re: Scottish Baronetcy On 12 March 2014 07:56, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) <[email protected]> wrote: These things are not valid. They do not lead to someone becoming anything except poorer. The Lord Lyon does not recognise these fake titles. In Scotland there are approximately 10,000 Baronial titles. Actually there are baronetcies which are associated with tiny tiny bits of Scottish land which are not fake. Recognised by the Lord Lyon with whom one has to register each time the baronetcy changes hands. I traced a 3 generation certificated tree for a lady in England who had bought a baronetcy in the Borders. It was done through her lawyer and seemed to be a means of avoiding inheritance tax. As far as I could gather, she could leave this title to anyone ...she had no children of her own....and the inheritor could sell it without paying tax. Irene

On 12 March 2014 07:56, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) < [email protected]> wrote: > These things are not valid. They do not lead to someone becoming anything > except poorer. The Lord Lyon does not recognise these fake titles. In > Scotland there are approximately 10,000 Baronial titles. > Actually there *are* baronetcies which are associated with tiny tiny bits of Scottish land which are not fake. Recognised by the Lord Lyon with whom one has to register each time the baronetcy changes hands. I traced a 3 generation certificated tree for a lady in England who had bought a baronetcy in the Borders. It was done through her lawyer and seemed to be a means of avoiding inheritance tax. As far as I could gather, she could leave this title to anyone ...she had no children of her own....and the inheritor could sell it without paying tax. Irene

Anne Thank you so much for doing that phone call for me. I was not aware they had had problems recently. I use the Scotlandspeople site on a very regular basis and was aware of the Wills up to the 1925 time frame, but it was the indexes that are mentioned that are available via the Virtual Volumes, that I was referring to, and that they are only in the search room. I am glad they are continuing with the Valuation Rolls as I have also found them to be of great use and lots of information is coming out of all different archives. I agree with you, the Australian BDM certificates are a terrible price, and each state controls what is available, but there is more and more coming on line all the time. As most of my research relates to New Zealand (born there) I have found the access to their archive records, cemeteries and BDM's becoming easier to access over the years. Mind you it was not like this when I first started family history back in 1989. Many details are now also being put onto the Familysearch web site which is great. As I said, just a bit spoilt with the indexes being available. Again thank you for your help and the phone call, it was appreciated. regards Ailsa Ailsa Corlett [email protected] www.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: [email protected] >-----Original Message----- >From: Anne Burgess [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2014 9:11 PM >To: Ailsa Corlett; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Lanark] How to find details regarding probate/ will for >1946 > >> One says current response time is within 20 working days and the other >> says 40 working days. >I was surprised by that, so I rang them up. I know that there have been >problems recently as their entire system was down for over a week, and >they consequently have a large backlog to work through. The statutory >time limit within which they have to respond is 20 working days, but I >was assured that you should get your response sooner than that. > >> I found it strange that they had very few online indexes, but they >> stated they had quite a lot but only available to search and use in >> the search rooms. >The complete indexes are online from the earliest ones right through to >1925, and you can download digital images of the wills which cost GBP >2.33 each. > >> Does anyone know if they plan in the future to extend those indexes >> onto the online site. >My understanding after today's telephone conversation is that further >digitisation of wills is in the pipeline and will eventually be >undertaken, but at the moment resources are being concentrated on >digitising the valuation rolls. > >> I am sure it would help reduce some of the enquiries, as if I could do >> the search myself (even for a small fee), then I would know what is >> available and then be able to order it via online. I think I must be >> spoilt with NZ and Australian Archives in that there is quite a bit I >> can order online via the indexes they have made available, and even >> emails are answered within about 24/48 hours regarding enquiries. > >Aye, well, it may be easier to get Australian wills than Scottish ones >after 1925, but it's a lot harder and very much more expensive to get >Australian birth, marriage and death certificates. What you lose on the >swings you gain on the roundabouts, and vice versa. > >And at least all the Scottish ones are in one place. According to >http://genealogy.about.com/od/australia/a/Australian-Wills-And- >Estates.htm >it could be pretty difficult finding one. If this is up to date and >correct, most states seem not to have online indexes at all. > >Anne