My stepmum who was born in Glasgow, wrote her memoirs in a small paperback book. She starts her story with, "I was born at 78 Woodrop Street, Glasgow 5C. We lived in what is known as a 'tenemant building',flats three on each floor, we were on the fourth floor. The main room was large with a bed set in the wall which was mum and dad's. There were shelves around two sides of the wall on which was mum's special tea and dinner set. There was a big open range fireplace with ovens and a big hob, with shiny copper kettle. It was very cosy with a coal fireplace, easy chairs and big dining table oak, with six chairs and a big oak side board. We had one big back window, sinks attached to it. There were no hot taps in those days, heated water on the hob." I wonder if the street mum lived in still exists. Edie McArthur Researching the family of John and Isabella mcArthur nee Stevenson. Who were married in Cambuslang, Lanarkshire, 2 December 1856. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 8:13 AM Subject: [Lanark] Fw: Glasgow West End addresses and occupants 1836-195 > > > To: Linda > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Glasgow West End addresses and occupants 1836-195 > > Such substantial looking red sandstone tenements still left alone by the > 'demolition boys' who thought nothing of razing and demolishing whole > neighbourhoods in the less affluent areas of Glasgow, all in the name of > progress! > > I did find one street where a friend lives but it showed only one occupant > back in the early 1900s. > > I enjoyed the pics of those lovely houses in the 'toffy-nosed' west end > area > of Glasgow. Wonder what the real estate prices must be nowadays! > > Maisie > > > From: Linda > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 2:15 PM > > Subject: [Lanark] Glasgow West End addresses and occupants 1836-195 > > Hi All > > > > I came across this interesting website while browsing. Unfortunately none > of my ancestors lived in the West End, but someone may find this useful. > It > includes some photographs. > > > > Cheers, Linda > > > > http://www.glasgowwestaddress.co.uk/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

To: Linda Subject: Re: [Lanark] Glasgow West End addresses and occupants 1836-195 Such substantial looking red sandstone tenements still left alone by the 'demolition boys' who thought nothing of razing and demolishing whole neighbourhoods in the less affluent areas of Glasgow, all in the name of progress! I did find one street where a friend lives but it showed only one occupant back in the early 1900s. I enjoyed the pics of those lovely houses in the 'toffy-nosed' west end area of Glasgow. Wonder what the real estate prices must be nowadays! Maisie From: Linda Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: [Lanark] Glasgow West End addresses and occupants 1836-195 Hi All I came across this interesting website while browsing. Unfortunately none of my ancestors lived in the West End, but someone may find this useful. It includes some photographs. Cheers, Linda http://www.glasgowwestaddress.co.uk/ -------------------------------

In my ‘gutting-out’ I also found an article bemoaning how many Scottish place names are being Anglicised: Strathspey is now Spey Valley (strath = wide or river valley, unlike a glen) Valley, Valley? Clydesdale is now referred to as Clyde Valley ... Covenanting territory who would have fought to the death rather than yield to this Anglicising. Tweeddale will likely be the Tweed Valley soon enough Likewise, the border reivers would have been scratching their heads over Liddlesdale now being Liddlesdale Valley. Dale, Dale? Inchcolm is an island on the Firth of Forth, possibly named for Columba's Island. Once again, duplication of words that mean the same...Island, Island? Law is not necessarily a surname but means a hill, such as Berwick Law, Dundee Law...sometimes referred to locally as the Law hill! Hill, Hill? Sir Walter Scott sanitised the house he had built on the farm Cartleyhole (or Clarty Hole by the locals) to Abbotsford. Thank goodness the Briggat in Glasgow has not been refined to Bridgegate. Robert Burns referred to Scotland as the Land o' Cakes (oatcakes, not fancy cakes), which is acceptable as oatcakes were a staple fare at one time.

FINALLY, ‘gutting the pit’! I’ve had to be brutal throwing out gazillion cards, correspondence, especially the lovely letters from former students. I found this little gem and thought I’d share it. My helpful ‘gutter outer’ will next help me organise all the genealogy records. Maisie Poet’s Box How I suffer from nostalgia When by circumstance I roam; My reluctant flesh must travel But my spirit stays at home. I need Glasgow and Loch Lomond And the Old Kilpatrick Hills, Need the River Clyde and Greenock And the dialect that thrills. Send me letters from my kinfolk, Dress me in a tartan kilt, Take me to a weekend ceilidh, Dance me to the pipers’ lilt. Make me porridge, serve me haggis, Grill me kippers, smokies, too; Complement with buttered oatcakes, Or potato scones will do. Sew my suit from Harris Tween and Knit my stole with Shetland wool. Let me dream about Dumbarton, It was there I went to school. Walk with me among the bluebells, Linger with me in the glen. When I’m pining for the heather, Say I’ll soon be home again. Catherine Roberts York

Anyone going to Edinburgh that could do a 1919 birth look -up & trust me to pay for it? Details by emailing me.: [email protected] Thanks

Hi Maisie, Subject: Subject Line . Just back from a holiday and opened my e-mail to the LKS folder. What a surprise subject line: "FTM problems with sex" don't know about anyone else but sure made me laugh . Glad my initials are not "FTM" or the misses may have a few words about this subject line. Keep up the great dialogue, the actual subject matter is interesting, will have to look at the programmes on my PC and see if I can contribute something to the postings. Bob CDN @hiflyte On 3/31/2014 11:21 AM, Maisie Egger wrote: > Obviously the Family Tree Maker and all such other genealogy recording programmes will have to move with the times. > > England has just passed a Marriage Equality Law (or whatever it’s called), but a male relative in Scotland has been in a registered Civil Union with his male partner since 2009. The male partner brought a daughter to the union. > > Here’s the difficulty with the FTM: This male partner is now recorded as a ‘female,’ and the 4th great-granddaughter-in-law of my great-great grandfather. > > I can’t figure out how to change the sex to read ‘male’ and ‘4 xs great grandson-in-law’. I’m having a hard enough time manoeuvring around this more up-to-date version of the FTM as it is. Dislike it intensely, as a matter of fact! > > Does anyone know how I can somehow change the record of the sex to male, etc., on this FTM? > > Maisie > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lorraine I suspect it might be your program that is corrupt rather than the data file So I would re-install PAF and try opening the file again, if it opens it will save re-keying everything Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31/03/2014 19:16, Lorraine wrote: > Thanks Nivard! I have various computers throughout the house, some as > old as the hills, which contain family data! I'm going to have to > consolidate all of my info. Thank God that I'm a paper person, as it > should be really easy to recreate my tree! I had purchased another lap > top, to specifically be dedicated to my people, but I didn't follow > through with that! Have been using it on a daily basis for other > nonsense! Hmmm, recreate a few thousand people? A piece of cake! > (well, at least I hope!) > > Lorraine

Hi Maisie I only have FTM 2011 installed at present Opening in family view, selecting the person to edit, on the right is the persons name with a drop down box, Male, Female or Unknown are the options I selected female for a male name and it appeared to accept that and checked his wife and she was also as a female It may be different for FTM 2014 but don't think so The subject has I think been discussed on one of the FTM lists of which there are FTM, FTM-Tech and FTM-Help Its certainly going to cause some problems, not to say confusion in trees in the future Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31/03/2014 18:21, Maisie Egger wrote: > Obviously the Family Tree Maker and all such other genealogy recording programmes will have to move with the times. > > England has just passed a Marriage Equality Law (or whatever it’s called), but a male relative in Scotland has been in a registered Civil Union with his male partner since 2009. The male partner brought a daughter to the union. > > Here’s the difficulty with the FTM: This male partner is now recorded as a ‘female,’ and the 4th great-granddaughter-in-law of my great-great grandfather. > > I can’t figure out how to change the sex to read ‘male’ and ‘4 xs great grandson-in-law’. I’m having a hard enough time manoeuvring around this more up-to-date version of the FTM as it is. Dislike it intensely, as a matter of fact! > > Does anyone know how I can somehow change the record of the sex to male, etc., on this FTM? > > Maisie

Hi Barb, Try this link: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=551&460 All the Best, John

Thanks ever so much, Nivard!! I had a good laugh when I saw that you were in Cornwall! I have many Dunstan/Dunstone family from Brighton, but keep running into the ones from Cornwall! Boy oh boy, Cornwall must be swarming with them! Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: Lorraine <[email protected]>; lanark <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [Lanark] PAF help Hi Lorraine I suspect it might be your program that is corrupt rather than the data file So I would re-install PAF and try opening the file again, if it opens it will save re-keying everything Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31/03/2014 19:16, Lorraine wrote: > Thanks Nivard! I have various computers throughout the house, some as > old as the hills, which contain family data! I'm going to have to > consolidate all of my info. Thank God that I'm a paper person, as it > should be really easy to recreate my tree! I had purchased another lap > top, to specifically be dedicated to my people, but I didn't follow > through with that! Have been using it on a daily basis for other > nonsense! Hmmm, recreate a few thousand people? A piece of cake! > (well, at least I hope!) > > Lorraine

Anne, I'm so sorry for getting back to you so late! Have had other pressing issues, that needed immediate attention! I honestly can't understand why I can't add children to an unmarried mother! Think I'll have to invest in a more user friendly program, as this seems to be lacking to me! Thanks ever so much for your knowledge! Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess <[email protected]> To: Ken <[email protected]>; 'Lorraine' <[email protected]>; ovington.one <[email protected]>; lanark <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:34 am Subject: Re: [Lanark] PAF help I too am amazed at Lorraine's problem. I've been using PAF since about version 2 on a DOS machine in 1988. Now using PAF v 5.2.18.0 with Windows 7 on one machine and XP on others. I tried FTM but didn't like it, so reverted to using PAF. There are dozens of unmarried mothers in my database, some with the names of the fathers of their children and 'not married' in the marriage date field. I have also added many a new name where I previously had an unknown spouse. PAF does have several really annoying features. One is that it doesn't like it if you enter children out of the order of their birth. It would be good to be able to set preferences to reorder them automatically rather than moan about it. Another is the dialog box that insists on popping up if you put a street number in a place field. Another follows on from what is thinks is an error, for example a number in a place field or a child born before its parents' marriage. There should be a way of telling it that you have checked the information and it is correct, so please don't flag it up as an error again. Then there is the match/merge feature. It should allow you to tell it that you have checked a particular suggested match, and that it is genuinely two different people, so that it does not present you with the same suggestion again. If anyone knows how to do any of these things, I'd love to know how, because with over 35,000 people in the database, the 'find errors' and 'match/merge' functions are effectively pretty useless. BTW I avoid using 'unknown' in the name field if I don't know who the person is, because the program uses the word 'unknown'. If forced to put in a name, I use 'nk' so that it is obvious (to me) what I have put in and what the program has put in automatically. Anne

Thanks Nivard! I have various computers throughout the house, some as old as the hills, which contain family data! I'm going to have to consolidate all of my info. Thank God that I'm a paper person, as it should be really easy to recreate my tree! I had purchased another lap top, to specifically be dedicated to my people, but I didn't follow through with that! Have been using it on a daily basis for other nonsense! Hmmm, recreate a few thousand people? A piece of cake! (well, at least I hope!) Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: Lorraine <[email protected]>; lanark <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:28 am Subject: Re: [Lanark] PAF help Hi Lorraine It sounds like you have a corruption in the program I would back up your data I would then reinstall PAF and try again Someone posted this as a source for a PAF file http://www.ParowanSoftware.com/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/03/2014 00:28, Lorraine wrote: > I'm in a tizzy, because I can't figure out why I can't add names!! I > thought it was because I was using the Mormon PAF. and because they > didn't like having a child without the mother being married to the father! > > > Lorraine

Thank you, Bob. I have FTM 2012 downloaded but I have been using the 2009 version. I also have the so much more simpler 2004 on my other computer as it is not compatible with Windows 7. I am anything but computer savvy but I clicked on to the FTM 2012 version and it would seem that one can choose the sex, without its being done for you, if you will. I don’t want the hassle of transferring everything from the 2009 FTM version to this 2012 because of the “ambivalence” of the sex choice of one entry UNLESS the entries in 2009 can somehow be automatically merged with the 2012 version. Any ideas? Maisie From: Bob Mitchell Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 11:36 AM To: Maisie Egger Subject: Re: [Lanark] FTM problems with sex! I am in FTM 12 and I have no trouble changing the sex. I am not sure about relationships. On 31 March 2014 10:21, Maisie Egger <[email protected]> wrote: Obviously the Family Tree Maker and all such other genealogy recording programmes will have to move with the times. England has just passed a Marriage Equality Law (or whatever it’s called), but a male relative in Scotland has been in a registered Civil Union with his male partner since 2009. The male partner brought a daughter to the union. Here’s the difficulty with the FTM: This male partner is now recorded as a ‘female,’ and the 4th great-granddaughter-in-law of my great-great grandfather. I can’t figure out how to change the sex to read ‘male’ and ‘4 xs great grandson-in-law’. I’m having a hard enough time manoeuvring around this more up-to-date version of the FTM as it is. Dislike it intensely, as a matter of fact! Does anyone know how I can somehow change the record of the sex to male, etc., on this FTM? Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Obviously the Family Tree Maker and all such other genealogy recording programmes will have to move with the times. England has just passed a Marriage Equality Law (or whatever it’s called), but a male relative in Scotland has been in a registered Civil Union with his male partner since 2009. The male partner brought a daughter to the union. Here’s the difficulty with the FTM: This male partner is now recorded as a ‘female,’ and the 4th great-granddaughter-in-law of my great-great grandfather. I can’t figure out how to change the sex to read ‘male’ and ‘4 xs great grandson-in-law’. I’m having a hard enough time manoeuvring around this more up-to-date version of the FTM as it is. Dislike it intensely, as a matter of fact! Does anyone know how I can somehow change the record of the sex to male, etc., on this FTM? Maisie

Barb, If you meant that you downloaded the image from the website, there is a link immediately below the image to contact them if there is an issue. Archie Gilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 4:52 AM Subject: [Lanark] need help with Scotland's People I can’t find help among the FAQs.....I bought an image and the index view had my record, but the complete view didn’t...my person wasn’t on that record... I need to contact SP....can someone help me with a link or an address please? Barb L. ---

Hi Dora You only need to check the to address to see who its going to, lists can be set either way (to poster or to list) always use Reply all and delete those you don't want to send to As I posted previously, PAF can be downloaded freely here http://www.parowansoftware.com/ So no need to copy to CD and post I suspect many will continue to use PAF for quite some time as it does what most people want with a minimum of fuss Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/03/2014 22:45, Dora Smith wrote: > I answered this several days ago and noone has taken me up on it. Since > this list isn't set up so that reply replies to the list, I bet whoever got > my reply was neither the list nor Ken. > > Anyone who needs PAF, send me your mailing address privately, and I'll copy > the software to CD and mail it to you. If I get a large response I might > have to ask for paypals for the materials, can't imagine that running more > than $2. > > Dora

I can’t find help among the FAQs.....I bought an image and the index view had my record, but the complete view didn’t...my person wasn’t on that record... I need to contact SP....can someone help me with a link or an address please? Barb L. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Yes, Nivard, I know that I can re-order children after entering them. I just wish I could set it to do so automatically as I enter them. I don't mind getting some of the warnings some of the time, but I just want to be able to switch some of them off. Anne ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: Anne Burgess <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 29 March 2014, 10:19 Subject: Re: [Lanark] PAF help Hi Anne I hope I am not trying to teach grandma to suck eggs but the ordering of children is there under the edit menu, but I am sure you knew that, entering children out of order is often necessary as you find them out of order, PAF being a very old program it does not resort them automatically, however I do not find that a problem myself The other warnings you get I prefer to have in case I miss-key something, I seem to recall you can turn them off but have not looked at that for some years, not having had the need I can't comment on the match/merge as I don't use it but would want the warning in case I made a mistake, I find it better not to make the mistake than try and fix it after the event :-( I find the standard print routines cover most problems or potential problems, but on occasion create a custom report for certain things But at the end of the day, PAF is an old program so its not likely to be as up to date as the latest releases of FTM, Legacy etc, all of which I find to be a sledge hammer to crack a nut Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > PAF does have several really annoying features. > > One is that it doesn't like it if you enter children out of the order of > their birth. It would be good to be able to set preferences to reorder > them automatically rather than moan about it. > > Another is the dialog box that insists on popping up if you put a street > number in a place field. > > Another follows on from what is thinks is an error, for example a number > in a place field or a child born before its parents' marriage. There > should be a way of telling it that you have checked the information and > it is correct, so please don't flag it up as an error again.

Dora (and all the others who offered me help): Thank you, all. I did get your kind offer(s) but I found it worked fine to copy the latest exe file I downloaded for PAF about a year ago, from the old computer onto the new one, and then just execute it. PAF5 re-installed like a charm (I think). Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30-Mar-14 2:46 PM To: Ken; Query Lanark Subject: Anyone who needs PAF I answered this several days ago and noone has taken me up on it. Since this list isn't set up so that reply replies to the list, I bet whoever got my reply was neither the list nor Ken. Anyone who needs PAF, send me your mailing address privately, and I'll copy the software to CD and mail it to you. If I get a large response I might have to ask for paypals for the materials, can't imagine that running more than $2. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:46 PM To: Query Lanark Subject: [Lanark] PAF help I know there are a lot of knowledgeable PAF users out there and I hope one of you can help me. I finally gave up on my boat-anchor WinXP computer and today got a Win7. I'm re-installing all my software (where compatible) and find that the FamilySearch site no longer supports software downloads. What do I do? My thoughts are: . Re-install from my 15-yr old PAF5.2 (which is quite outdated)? . Copy the most recent PAF exe file I downloaded a year or two ago from the old to the new computer and then install from it? Any other ideas - such as some site that will help someone who has been using PAF since DOS days? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I answered this several days ago and noone has taken me up on it. Since this list isn't set up so that reply replies to the list, I bet whoever got my reply was neither the list nor Ken. Anyone who needs PAF, send me your mailing address privately, and I'll copy the software to CD and mail it to you. If I get a large response I might have to ask for paypals for the materials, can't imagine that running more than $2. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:46 PM To: Query Lanark Subject: [Lanark] PAF help I know there are a lot of knowledgeable PAF users out there and I hope one of you can help me. I finally gave up on my boat-anchor WinXP computer and today got a Win7. I'm re-installing all my software (where compatible) and find that the FamilySearch site no longer supports software downloads. What do I do? My thoughts are: . Re-install from my 15-yr old PAF5.2 (which is quite outdated)? . Copy the most recent PAF exe file I downloaded a year or two ago from the old to the new computer and then install from it? Any other ideas - such as some site that will help someone who has been using PAF since DOS days? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com