Hi all this question is not specific to Lanark, wondering about the Mormon Missions in SCotland and the Mormon migration to USA in 1850s. Wondering if anyone can advise where to go to sort out this problem. Looking for Scottish ancestors of an Australian soldier William Beith who died in world war 1. His grand parents Robert and Barbara Beith of Campbeltown Argyll in Scotland migrated to USA at the same time their son Daniel came to Australia in the 1850s. Robert and Barbara both b abt 1814 (and a lot of Roberts born abt that time and place.) My problem to solve is - they left Liverpool on a Mormon migration ship in 1850s, and were in the USA census in 1860 in St Louis Missouri, but vanished after that. I need to find their death or other info to establish their parents. I have written to both the Argyll list and one Mormon interest list (HANDCART) but they were unable to help. I somehow imagine the Latter day saints would have information about people they recruited and who may have continued with them, and also if they were sent somewhere else as missionaries. And is there any repository in Scotland that might have information. Can anyone suggest where to go from here? To find what happened to Robert and Barbara? regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW

Marg, Yes, the Latter Day Saints should have the information you need. You could go to familysearch.org and in the Help menu access Live Chat. This would allow you to ask questions about the location and film numbers of the research materials you need without waiting days for a response. The information is most likely on microfilm that is held at the main library in Salt Lake City, Utah, but should be available for lending to your local LDS Family History Center. I believe there is a $6 USD charge for ordering a microfilm, but I'm not positive. I don't know how detailed the information will be, i.e. names, dates, but they should be able to supply background information. Regretfully, if they died in the American West, it is unlikely that there is a record. The Federal Government did not require BDM recordkeeping and very few states did it on their own until the early 1900s. Jo-Ann On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:25 PM, marg o'leary <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all > > this question is not specific to Lanark, wondering about the Mormon > Missions > in SCotland and the Mormon migration to USA in 1850s. > > Wondering if anyone can advise where to go to sort out this problem. > > I somehow imagine the Latter day saints would have information about people > they recruited and who may have continued with them, and also if they were > sent somewhere else as missionaries. > > And is there any repository in Scotland that might have information. >

Hi Donna Could this be a candidate for your John Name: John Lawson Gender: Male Christening Place: , GLASGOW, LANARK, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 18 Nov 1777 Birthplace: , Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Father's Name: James Lawson Mother's Name: Janet Thomson Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11975-8 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 994181 , Reference ID: 2:16Q96GV Does THOMSON crop up at all in the family Are there any second names used in your line in Canada, often used for previous generations His marriage John Lawson Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910 Name: John Lawson Spouse's Name: Elisabeth Sommervell Event Date: 06 Apr 1796 Event Place: , Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11652-2 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1066602 , Reference ID: 2:G4C48S Do you have the above copies of the source documents? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > *John LAWSON*, GGGG Grandfather. Born abt 1777 in Glasgow, > Lanarkshire, Scotland. John died in 1869 in Lanark County, Ontario, > Canada. Emigrated in 1820 from Scotland. Immigrated in 1820 to > Lanark Twp, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. > > On 6 Apr 1796 John married *Elizabeth "Minnie" SOMERVILLE*, GGGG > Grandmother, in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Born on 8 Jun > 1781 in Crawfordjohn??, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Elizabeth "Minnie" > died in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada, on 4 Jul 1850; she was 69. > Religion: Presbyterian. >

Hello Nivard, The last generation to live in Scotland in 1820, resided in Glasgow, or near Glasgow, which is a large urban area for the time. I know they were not well off, they were weavers, as they emigrated to Canada as members of an Emigration Society, due to the economic hardships they were facing in Glasgow. I just posted a family outline to this list, with as much information as I have been able to gather thus far. I am hoping to locate members of the extended family they left behind. Andrew Boag wrote letters to his sister in Glasgow, but there her name is not mentioned in the publication of the letter. I don't know what her given or surname were, perhaps she was married, further complicating the search. Best Wishes, Donna On 2014-07-09, 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 08:22:47 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Finding Family Groups prior to the 1841 census > To:[email protected] > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Donna > > Much will depend upon the places your people were living and their > status in life > > There are few of the kind of sources you are looking for, but if you can > post where and when your people were > > Plus the names of course, others will be better able to advise you > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 08/07/2014 02:31, Donna dm87 wrote: >> >Hello all, I have been following this group for years, but have little >> >of value to contribute, unless questions count as a contribution. >> > >> >My ancestors left their loved ones in Scotland and travelled to Canada >> >in 1820. I have been looking for records of their life in Scotland, no >> >so easy! I would like to find a source that offers information on >> >family groups, such as the census lists all members of the family. But >> >since they left before 1841 there are no census records, so piecing >> >together who they were related to is extremely challenging. Does anyone >> >know of records that would list family groups prior to the first census? >> > >> >Thanks so much, >> >Donna dm87 in Canada

Hello Jenny, Thank you so much for the list! It will certainly keep me happily busy for months, perhaps years! Here is a family list of my ancestors who came from Scotland to Canada in 1820 with the Lanark Society Settlers. Weavers, they faced hardship after the end of the Napoleonic War, feeling keenly the impact of the industrial revolution. *John LAWSON*, GGGG Grandfather. Born abt 1777 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. John died in 1869 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. Emigrated in 1820 from Scotland. Immigrated in 1820 to Lanark Twp, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. On 6 Apr 1796 John married *Elizabeth "Minnie" SOMERVILLE*, GGGG Grandmother, in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Born on 8 Jun 1781 in Crawfordjohn??, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Elizabeth "Minnie" died in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada, on 4 Jul 1850; she was 69. Religion: Presbyterian. They had the following children: i. Margaret (Somerville) LAWSON (1797-1869) ii. Mary Ann (Somerville) LAWSON (1798-1887) NOTE:On 30 May 1820 when Mary Ann (Somerville) was 22, she married *Andrew James BOAG*, son of Thomas BOAG & ? [BOAG], in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. iii. James (Somerville) LAWSON. Born on 5 Jun 1799 in Barony, Anderston, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. iv. Andrew (Somerville) LAWSON. Born on 15 Mar 1801 in Barony, Anderston, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. v. Jennett Janet (Somerville) LAWSON (1803-1883) born in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland vi. Robert (Somerville) LAWSON. Born on 12 Oct 1804 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. vii. Robert (Somerville) LAWSON (1806->1891) born in Bridgton, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland viii. Marion Geddes (Somerville) LAWSON. Born on 1 Sep 1813 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. ix. Isabella "Bell" (Somerville) LAWSON. Born on 15 Oct 1815 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. x. John (Somerville) LAWSON (1816-1903) born in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland xi. Peter (Somerville) LAWSON (1819-1895) born in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland xii. Alexander (Somerville) LAWSON (1822-1889) Thanks so much! Best Wishes, Donna On 2014-07-08, 3:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > From: "Jennifer Myers"<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] RESOURCES Finding Family > To: "Donna dm87"<[email protected]>,<[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Donna, > > Maybe we could help further if you post a little about your family, such as > names and places in Lanarkshire. > > There are other sites where one might find information to add flesh to the > bones...probably the first place to begin in is the ScotlandsPeople website, > it is pay to view and download OPRs and Civil registrations at a very > reasonable cost. > > Here are a number of URLs to keep you busy.......... > > [A LONG LIST!] > > Regards > Jenny

Good morning, listers, I was 'bemused' when I scanned the list of births in Donaghmore and Dungannon, Co. Tyrone from 1838 through 1869 to see that though the father's name was given the mother of the child was referred to as the 'wife of' or 'lady of' so-and-so. As is obvious, this makes it well-nigh impossible to trace the birth of the child through the mother's roots if she doesn't even have a name except as the 'wife of' or 'lady of' the male. http://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/dungannon.html My husband's great-grandfather Patrick Skiffington (b. 1815-d 1863) is still 'out there' and we haven't found his roots in Donaghmore as yet. We have enough on his life and death when he went to Baltimore, Maryland, perhaps when he'd be about 25, but nothing of his life in Ireland. There is a very vague chance that Patrick Skiffington could have had a younger brother, Bernard, b. Dungannon, who with his wife, Helen Houston (sp.), went to Bothwell, Lanarkshire to work in the coal industry. His grown children then formed their own diaspora, with some moving to USA., Australia, etc. With thanks to Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia, for researching this information, and to 'Ray in Oz' and Allison White for offering direction. Maisie

Hi Donna, Maybe we could help further if you post a little about your family, such as names and places in Lanarkshire. There are other sites where one might find information to add flesh to the bones...probably the first place to begin in is the ScotlandsPeople website, it is pay to view and download OPRs and Civil registrations at a very reasonable cost. Here are a number of URLs to keep you busy.......... GENUKI – Scotland http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ Rootsweb Mailing List Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ Message Boards IGI Batch Nos. and comparisons to Hugh Wallis site http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/index.htm ScotlandsPeople - http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ ScotlandsPlaces - http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/ http://www.electricscotland.com BBC Scottish History http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/history_trails_index.shtml Scottish Monumental Inscriptions - Searchable Indexes to CDs http://www.scottish-monumental-inscriptions.com/ Deceased Online – Scottish Burial Records http://www.deceasedonline.com R C Archdiocese of Glasgow pre-1855 records are with the archivist, they are not kept by the individual parishes any more. The archivist is Dr Mary McHugh, B.A. M.Litt., Ph.D. LL.B, F.S.A.Scot. Postal address is, The Archdiocese of Glasgow, Curial Offices, 196 Clyde Street, Glasgow G1 JY. [email protected] Historic Hospital Admission Records - database of admission records to the HHARP website: the Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow. Covering the period 1883 (when the hospital first opened) to 1903 http://www.hharp.org/ Scottish irregular marriages and runaway marriages from 1754-1826. http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/grosweb/grosweb.nsf/pages/runmar The information from the website reads in part: "Irregular Border and Scottish Runway Marriages - This list of Custodians and Owners of all the known existing records of Scottish Irregular and Runaway Marriages, is based upon an original list compiled in 1927 by Mr G W Shirley of the Ewart Library in Dumfries. Covering Dates: 1754 - 1826 Place: Portpatrick, Stranraer, Stonykirk, Leswalt "Priests": Dr John McKenzie Descripitive Notes: Irregular Marriages, Extracted from Parish Records, by Arthur Brack, 247 entries Irish Runaways Locations of Owners & Custodians: ....Dumfries & Galloway, Family History Society Research Centre, 9 Glasgow Street, Dumfries DG2 9AF, Tel: 01387 850 263" National Library of Scotland historical information - news http://www.nls.uk/broadsides/index.html To locate farms the Ordnance Survey 1st edition is helpful: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ The NLS hold originals: http://www.nls.uk/maps/ Royal Commission on the Ancient & Historical Monuments of Sct. http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/ Scottish Universities Archives Scottish Family History Societies Local Shire/County Archives ARCHON – Scottish Directory (National Records of Sct formerly NAS) http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult.asp?lctry=Scotland Scottish Law Terms http://www.govanlc.com/debtdictionary.htm The Queen’s and Lord Treasurer’s Remembrancer is the Crown’s representative in Scotland who deals with ownerless property. http://www.qltr.gov.uk/ Scots at War - Commemorative Roll of Honour. http://www-saw.arts.ed.ac.uk/roll.html Changed names of Glasgow streets - http://www.douglas-brown.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/home.htm The old country houses of the old Glasgow gentry http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/smihou/index.html http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk Scottish Potteries - http://www.scottishpotterysociety.co.uk/ Mining in Scotland - http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/ The site was www.mining-villages.co.uk/index.html It seems to cover more Lanarkshire but does have some Ayrshire deaths http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cmhrc/lom08.htm http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/deaths.htm http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RBurt/MinHistNet/ Book: Mining Ayrshire's lost industry by Guthrie Hutton published by Richard Stenlake Publishing 1996. Lots of photos, not much text, most photos are early 20th to mid 20th century. Websites: Peak District Mines Historical Society – Mines Index includes a list of Ayrshire mines in 1896 http://www.tidza.demon.co.uk/ Ayrshire Miners Rows 1913 – Description of Housing based on the Royal Commission on Scottish Housing at that date. http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/Bibliography/monos/amr_intro.htm For other links look at http://www.mining-memorabilia.co.uk/Links.htm#Scotland There is also a Royal Commission report on Children and Young People in the Mines dated 1842, well worth reading. You can order it from http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wsct.htm for seven pounds (not sure about overseas prices). Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Donna dm87 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Finding Family Groups prior to the 1841 census Hello all, I have been following this group for years, but have little of value to contribute, unless questions count as a contribution. My ancestors left their loved ones in Scotland and travelled to Canada in 1820. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I found an old message posted Oct. 1999 by Cathy Cliff who said she had an old Bible , printed in Glasgow in 1860, with a family register in it. Family name is McCAW & she wishes to find someone related to the McCAWS but her old email does not go thru. I am related to the McCAWS , originally from Ayrshire, & would LOVE to have the Bible but can't find Cathy who posted. She lived in the United States. Does anyone know Cathy? Thanks, Ruth of the McCAWS

Hi Donna Much will depend upon the places your people were living and their status in life There are few of the kind of sources you are looking for, but if you can post where and when your people were Plus the names of course, others will be better able to advise you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/07/2014 02:31, Donna dm87 wrote: > Hello all, I have been following this group for years, but have little > of value to contribute, unless questions count as a contribution. > > My ancestors left their loved ones in Scotland and travelled to Canada > in 1820. I have been looking for records of their life in Scotland, no > so easy! I would like to find a source that offers information on > family groups, such as the census lists all members of the family. But > since they left before 1841 there are no census records, so piecing > together who they were related to is extremely challenging. Does anyone > know of records that would list family groups prior to the first census? > > Thanks so much, > Donna dm87 in Canada

Hello all, I have been following this group for years, but have little of value to contribute, unless questions count as a contribution. My ancestors left their loved ones in Scotland and travelled to Canada in 1820. I have been looking for records of their life in Scotland, no so easy! I would like to find a source that offers information on family groups, such as the census lists all members of the family. But since they left before 1841 there are no census records, so piecing together who they were related to is extremely challenging. Does anyone know of records that would list family groups prior to the first census? Thanks so much, Donna dm87 in Canada

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/records-of-first-world-war-fallen-revealed-1-3469364 Maisie

Such a helpful list, Jenny, which I have passed on to my research genius Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list who does outstanding volunteer work for me as I seem always to have a mental block trying to find information. Thanks forf this trove. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Myers Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 6:57 PM To: Donna dm87 ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] RESOURCES Finding Family Hi Donna, Maybe we could help further if you post a little about your family, such as names and places in Lanarkshire. There are other sites where one might find information to add flesh to the bones...probably the first place to begin in is the ScotlandsPeople website, it is pay to view and download OPRs and Civil registrations at a very reasonable cost. Here are a number of URLs to keep you busy.......... GENUKI – Scotland http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ Rootsweb Mailing List Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ Message Boards IGI Batch Nos. and comparisons to Hugh Wallis site http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/index.htm ScotlandsPeople - http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ ScotlandsPlaces - http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/ http://www.electricscotland.com BBC Scottish History http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/history_trails_index.shtml Scottish Monumental Inscriptions - Searchable Indexes to CDs http://www.scottish-monumental-inscriptions.com/ Deceased Online – Scottish Burial Records http://www.deceasedonline.com R C Archdiocese of Glasgow pre-1855 records are with the archivist, they are not kept by the individual parishes any more. The archivist is Dr Mary McHugh, B.A. M.Litt., Ph.D. LL.B, F.S.A.Scot. Postal address is, The Archdiocese of Glasgow, Curial Offices, 196 Clyde Street, Glasgow G1 JY. [email protected] Historic Hospital Admission Records - database of admission records to the HHARP website: the Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow. Covering the period 1883 (when the hospital first opened) to 1903 http://www.hharp.org/ Scottish irregular marriages and runaway marriages from 1754-1826. http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/grosweb/grosweb.nsf/pages/runmar The information from the website reads in part: "Irregular Border and Scottish Runway Marriages - This list of Custodians and Owners of all the known existing records of Scottish Irregular and Runaway Marriages, is based upon an original list compiled in 1927 by Mr G W Shirley of the Ewart Library in Dumfries. Covering Dates: 1754 - 1826 Place: Portpatrick, Stranraer, Stonykirk, Leswalt "Priests": Dr John McKenzie Descripitive Notes: Irregular Marriages, Extracted from Parish Records, by Arthur Brack, 247 entries Irish Runaways Locations of Owners & Custodians: ....Dumfries & Galloway, Family History Society Research Centre, 9 Glasgow Street, Dumfries DG2 9AF, Tel: 01387 850 263" National Library of Scotland historical information - news http://www.nls.uk/broadsides/index.html To locate farms the Ordnance Survey 1st edition is helpful: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ The NLS hold originals: http://www.nls.uk/maps/ Royal Commission on the Ancient & Historical Monuments of Sct. http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/ Scottish Universities Archives Scottish Family History Societies Local Shire/County Archives ARCHON – Scottish Directory (National Records of Sct formerly NAS) http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult.asp?lctry=Scotland Scottish Law Terms http://www.govanlc.com/debtdictionary.htm The Queen’s and Lord Treasurer’s Remembrancer is the Crown’s representative in Scotland who deals with ownerless property. http://www.qltr.gov.uk/ Scots at War - Commemorative Roll of Honour. http://www-saw.arts.ed.ac.uk/roll.html Changed names of Glasgow streets - http://www.douglas-brown.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/home.htm The old country houses of the old Glasgow gentry http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/smihou/index.html http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk Scottish Potteries - http://www.scottishpotterysociety.co.uk/ Mining in Scotland - http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/ The site was www.mining-villages.co.uk/index.html It seems to cover more Lanarkshire but does have some Ayrshire deaths http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cmhrc/lom08.htm http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/deaths.htm http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RBurt/MinHistNet/ Book: Mining Ayrshire's lost industry by Guthrie Hutton published by Richard Stenlake Publishing 1996. Lots of photos, not much text, most photos are early 20th to mid 20th century. Websites: Peak District Mines Historical Society – Mines Index includes a list of Ayrshire mines in 1896 http://www.tidza.demon.co.uk/ Ayrshire Miners Rows 1913 – Description of Housing based on the Royal Commission on Scottish Housing at that date. http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/Bibliography/monos/amr_intro.htm For other links look at http://www.mining-memorabilia.co.uk/Links.htm#Scotland There is also a Royal Commission report on Children and Young People in the Mines dated 1842, well worth reading. You can order it from http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wsct.htm for seven pounds (not sure about overseas prices). Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Donna dm87 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Finding Family Groups prior to the 1841 census Hello all, I have been following this group for years, but have little of value to contribute, unless questions count as a contribution. My ancestors left their loved ones in Scotland and travelled to Canada in 1820. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Am I correct in assuming that this is one of the distinguishing features of Scottish weddings which allowed the convention of English people coming to Gretna for the marriage. My parents were married in an Edinburgh hotel with their local minister from Whitburn officiating. The Scottish custom may have migrated to New Zealand where my maternal grandparents were married in the house of my grandmother's cousin but the marriage is recorded in the records of the church which they attended. Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: 06 July 2014 03:52 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Old Monklands Church I second that, Sheila. Prior to the 1950s, most wedding receptions were in the home, so because of limited space, the numbers were limited to family and some friends. With the exception of two brothers whose wives had their wedding receptions in 'commercial' places, all my other relatives were married in the church or manse, and then the reception was held at the bride's home. A DIGRESSION: Right now, I am having a time of it sorting out the timeline when my aunt was married. I can't argue with facts as the marriage certificate shows clearly that she was married December 31, 1937 in Renfield St. Church, Glasgow, according to the forms of the Church of Scotland. However, I remember at her wedding reception at the school hall where my grandfather was the janitor (a totally different connotation from janitor on this side of the pond), I began to feel as if I were coming down with ten cases of the flu. My cousin was a cut-up but I wasn't at all amused by his antics as I felt so awful. The next day, my mother looked at my throat and saw a caul at the back of it, so off to Ruchill (Fever) Hospital where I spent ten weeks recovering from diphtheria, along with four other children who lived on the same street as I. The confusion of when I was in Ruchill is bothering me because I had my eighth birthday in October 1938 while in hospital, but my aunt had married 31 December 1937. There is absolutely no way that I would have been in the hospital from January 1, 1938 to October 1938 as I distinctly remember receiving birthday cards with a big 8 numeral on them on my birthday in October. Also, I was disappointed that as I recovered I would be going home before Christmas 1938 as I remember talk of the children in the ward going to have a Christmas party. I can't figure out why the dates can't be sorted out in my head because I remember the name of the Sister of the ward, Sister Hunter, the ward number, 2, the name of a nurse, Queen, because she was highly amused when I asked if her husband's name was King. The names of my friends who lived near me, and then the first name of the boy who died in the bed next to me by the door of the ward, are all clearly imprinted! Seemingly I have a super memory, but I can't get the dates straightened out between my aunt's wedding reception December 31, 1937, and when I was carted off by ambulance to Ruchill (but when?). My outstanding research friend on the Wigtown list has sent me this link http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/collects/hb42.html I have contacted the archivist to see if there are records of children in Ruchill between 1937-1938. Stay tuned! This source was very helpful before when I was tracing my father's WWI and health records after he was wounded in France. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 5:47 PM To: John Elliott Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Old Monklands Church In my part of Lanarkshire weddings didn't take place in the church until the 1950s. Before then they would be at the manse or the bride's home. My mother and her sisters were married at home by the minister in the 1930s. The banns were called in the church beforehand. If the marriage ceremony was at home the reception would be there also. If they were married at the manse the reception would be at a hotel if they could afford it. Sheila ---- John Elliott <[email protected]> wrote: > Appreciate some advice on the following. > My forebears were married in the manse of Old Monklands Church. 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Appreciate some advice on the following. My forebears were married in the manse of Old Monklands Church. Was there an official church edict back in 1850 that identifed who should and should not get married in the church building ??. Regards John

I second that, Sheila. Prior to the 1950s, most wedding receptions were in the home, so because of limited space, the numbers were limited to family and some friends. With the exception of two brothers whose wives had their wedding receptions in 'commercial' places, all my other relatives were married in the church or manse, and then the reception was held at the bride's home. A DIGRESSION: Right now, I am having a time of it sorting out the timeline when my aunt was married. I can't argue with facts as the marriage certificate shows clearly that she was married December 31, 1937 in Renfield St. Church, Glasgow, according to the forms of the Church of Scotland. However, I remember at her wedding reception at the school hall where my grandfather was the janitor (a totally different connotation from janitor on this side of the pond), I began to feel as if I were coming down with ten cases of the flu. My cousin was a cut-up but I wasn't at all amused by his antics as I felt so awful. The next day, my mother looked at my throat and saw a caul at the back of it, so off to Ruchill (Fever) Hospital where I spent ten weeks recovering from diphtheria, along with four other children who lived on the same street as I. The confusion of when I was in Ruchill is bothering me because I had my eighth birthday in October 1938 while in hospital, but my aunt had married 31 December 1937. There is absolutely no way that I would have been in the hospital from January 1, 1938 to October 1938 as I distinctly remember receiving birthday cards with a big 8 numeral on them on my birthday in October. Also, I was disappointed that as I recovered I would be going home before Christmas 1938 as I remember talk of the children in the ward going to have a Christmas party. I can't figure out why the dates can't be sorted out in my head because I remember the name of the Sister of the ward, Sister Hunter, the ward number, 2, the name of a nurse, Queen, because she was highly amused when I asked if her husband's name was King. The names of my friends who lived near me, and then the first name of the boy who died in the bed next to me by the door of the ward, are all clearly imprinted! Seemingly I have a super memory, but I can't get the dates straightened out between my aunt's wedding reception December 31, 1937, and when I was carted off by ambulance to Ruchill (but when?). My outstanding research friend on the Wigtown list has sent me this link http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/collects/hb42.html I have contacted the archivist to see if there are records of children in Ruchill between 1937-1938. Stay tuned! This source was very helpful before when I was tracing my father's WWI and health records after he was wounded in France. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 5:47 PM To: John Elliott Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Old Monklands Church In my part of Lanarkshire weddings didn't take place in the church until the 1950s. Before then they would be at the manse or the bride's home. My mother and her sisters were married at home by the minister in the 1930s. The banns were called in the church beforehand. If the marriage ceremony was at home the reception would be there also. If they were married at the manse the reception would be at a hotel if they could afford it. Sheila ---- John Elliott <[email protected]> wrote: > Appreciate some advice on the following. > My forebears were married in the manse of Old Monklands Church. Was there > an official church edict back in 1850 that identifed who should and should > not get married in the church building ??. > > Regards > John > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my part of Lanarkshire weddings didn't take place in the church until the 1950s. Before then they would be at the manse or the bride's home. My mother and her sisters were married at home by the minister in the 1930s. The banns were called in the church beforehand. If the marriage ceremony was at home the reception would be there also. If they were married at the manse the reception would be at a hotel if they could afford it. Sheila ---- John Elliott <[email protected]> wrote: > Appreciate some advice on the following. > My forebears were married in the manse of Old Monklands Church. Was there > an official church edict back in 1850 that identifed who should and should > not get married in the church building ??. > > Regards > John > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I might be wrong (often am) but my understanding is that a "church wedding" was quite uncommon. Usually held at bride's home, manse, hotel, whatever was available. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Elliott Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 4:20 PM Cc: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Old Monklands Church Appreciate some advice on the following. My forebears were married in the manse of Old Monklands Church. Was there an official church edict back in 1850 that identifed who should and should not get married in the church building ??. Regards John ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

More on carrot tops. Notion could be as I had glorious ‘red’ (not carrot) hair until I came to USA, and then California with its hot, hot sunny climate. In no time at all all the ‘red’ tones were gone and I was left mousy brown. Maisie http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/gingers-could-become-extinct-due-3809752

Thank you Maisie, an interesting article. We in Victoria, Australia are very lucky in that our certificates all have the maiden name of the father and mother, when known. I believe this is the case since civil registration began in 1853. That is not the case in all states, however most have probably included the mother at a later date. Lorraine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 6:26 AM Subject: [Lanark] Mothers' names on Eng/Welsh marriage certs > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28158341 > > Finally, for future family researchers. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Such enlightenment in Victoria. Women continue to fight for 'equal rights' in so many areas, and this is just one, which is unbelievable in the year 2014! Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Lorraine Standfield Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 6:51 PM To: Maisie Egger ; Lanark List Subject: Re: [Lanark] Mothers' names on Eng/Welsh marriage certs Thank you Maisie, an interesting article. We in Victoria, Australia are very lucky in that our certificates all have the maiden name of the father and mother, when known. I believe this is the case since civil registration began in 1853. That is not the case in all states, however most have probably included the mother at a later date. Lorraine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 6:26 AM Subject: [Lanark] Mothers' names on Eng/Welsh marriage certs > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28158341 > > Finally, for future family researchers. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >