Another link from Christine Woodcock, Ontario, Canada. A few notes: Many Highlanders came to the Lowlands, and Glasgow in particular, as a result of the Clearances. The men and those from around Roxburgh (Borders) were taller than the average and were considered to be the best specimens to be ‘polismen.’. The Glasgow police force when I was growing up had a lot of quite tall hielan’ polisman. Now because of all this PC ‘stuff’ there are fewer restrictions on height at maybe a minimum of 5’8’ for policemen, and as short as under 5’ for policewomen. Recently, the English are now gaining in height over the Scotsman once considered to be the tallest in the British Isles. Even some of the Hielan’ women in my growing up years in Glasgow still brought their traditions with them, such as what would be referred to as the shawlies. I have mentioned this before. Either by choice or financial circumstances, many of the women chose to wear a large shawl (like a car rug), instead of a coat. There were no prams (baby buggies) and the babies were ‘happed’ inside the shawl...sort of like pictures of Native American women who carried their babies in this fashion. Most likely it was a case of not having extra money to buy a pram, plus the other reason would be that there was absolutely no extra room in a tenement to keep the pram. My sister lived in a single-end tenement in Springburn, Glasgow, and there wasn’t even extra room for a doll pram. To read about the social interactions in Glasgow among the Hielanders after the Clearances, go to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hielanman's_Umbrella Subject: Highland Clearances Database Highland Clearances: In the mid -1700s Highland life changed dramatically as the Lairds of the highland estates made a brisk move from agricultural farming to sheep farming. The Clearances, which lasted a full century, from 1785 when the Glengarry Estates were first forced into evacuation until 1886 when the Crofter’s Act was passed, caused forced emigration of thousands of highlanders. The clearances were brutal acts of violence which were swift and all consuming. Often the Lairds men would sweep into a crofting village when the men were away at work or at war and would torch the thatched roofs of the crofts, driving the women and children out into the streets. The swiftness and cruelty of both the timing and the acts themselves meant that the raiders would not be faced with resistance. These clearances left the crofting families displaced and often destitute. They were left to wander aimlessly, with nowhere to go and no possessions to speak of. Some families were granted crofts on the rocky coastal shores. Here they learned to farm kelp. A nasty, wet, arduous and physically demanding job. Others wandered into the larger cities in hopes of finding work in the factories there. However, the cities were already overcrowded and lacking in employment opportunities. The jobs that were available were not jobs that the highlanders had any training to perform. Many of the highlanders ended up losing their loved ones in the process of migrating either through hunger, fatigue or disease. Here are some databases to search for ancestors who might have been affected by the Clearances: List of those who were cleared: http://www.fernandocandido.com/scotland/clearances-a-b.html

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/glasgow-to-recognise-slave-trade-links-1-3497713 A different aspect of slavery. The ‘letters’ make interesting reading, too. Maisie

Just to point out that names were spelled as the recorder "heard" them and according to his personal writing habits. Even today regional accents are hard to understand for people from another region. Spelling of anything did not become stabilized until after the 1870s when general education laws went into effect. I have seen wills where the same names were spelled differently in separate paragraphs. Jo-Ann On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Dora Smith via <[email protected]> wrote: > But I am wondering specifically where these soldiers came from, and if it > is > known what became of any of them. The spellings of their names are odd > even by Galloway standards. I wonder if that means they originated any > place different. If they were captured in the west midlands of England > they > could have been from any part of Scotland. > > >

I'm not the first to wonder. http://www.americanancestors.org/scots-for-sale/ http://minerdescent.com/2012/07/24/scottish-prisoners/ - it wasn't only that shipload. http://scottishprisonersofwar.com/biographies-of-the-prisoners-from-the-john-and-sara/ Dora -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger via Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Scottish slaves Christine Woodcock posted this on FB. Might be of interest to some. http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/scottish.slaves.htm ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I wish I was more surprised. The Irish were shipped out as slaves in large numbers, mostly to South America, the Carribean, and the southern Atlantic colonies. I thought the specific issue was they were Catholic, but I suppose with Cromwell it didn't take much. I wonder if any English were exported as slaves and we don't know it yet. But I am wondering specifically where these soldiers came from, and if it is known what became of any of them. The spellings of their names are odd even by Galloway standards. I wonder if that means they originated any place different. If they were captured in the west midlands of England they could have been from any part of Scotland. It looks like they were sent for specific terms. In South America, the Caribbean and Virginia large numbers of indentured servants never survived their terms of servitude, partly because they were treated horribly and the work itself was brutal, and partly because the majority of people who were there died in these places in that time, with the rampant disease. I am going to take the liberty of reposting to some New England lists; this could answer some peoples' mysteries with tracing origins, especially in the Charlestown area. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger via Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Scottish slaves Christine Woodcock posted this on FB. Might be of interest to some. http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/scottish.slaves.htm ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Christine Woodcock posted this on FB. Might be of interest to some. http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/scottish.slaves.htm

Could you give more details about these families? Parents of John Watson? Jessie Reid Young? Town or village? I do have some Watson connections and would like to see if they fit. Judy Russell Bogart (now Watkinsville) Georgia, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Wheeler via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:45 AM Subject: [Lanark] John Watson/Jessie Young descendants > I'm looking for descendants of my ggrandparents John Watson(1858-1935?) & > Jessie Reid Young(1867-1947) of Lanark >

I'm looking for descendants of my ggrandparents John Watson(1858-1935?) & Jessie Reid Young(1867-1947) of Lanark Sent from my iPad

Hi all I am trying to expand the family tree for Australian soldier of Scottish descent, Mervyn ROSS who died in WW1 at Fromelles aged 21, particularly looking for male relatives. none of Mervyn’s siblings have male descendants in Australia. One brother had only daughters and the other also died in France about a month after Mervyn. His parents were James Waddell ROSS 1869-1932 (b Scotland) and Mary Anne Davis in Western Australia, m abt 1892 Western Australia. grandparents were Robert Abercrombie Ross 1847-1892 and Mary Waddell, both of Airdrie, married in Slamanan 1866 ( I suppose this was related to occupation being coal miner) I have been unable to track what happened to their sons b Airdrie, Colin 1868, Robert Abercrombie b 1871, and Alexander McLuckie b 1874, perhaps they all died young. The family migrated to Australia in 1878. The great grandparents were Colin Ross 1815 - after 1866, and Isabella Abercrombie of New Monkland. Would like to know his parents and siblings. They had a son James b 1842 in New Monkland, I have been unable to track what happened to him. (They had two sons Colin, but both died young) I would be grateful to be directed to any records that might help. I have been using family search and Scotland's people so far. (and Ancestry trees but not much there kind regards Marg O'Leary Port Stephens NSW

Marg, A few names that may interest you: ROSS, James Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 24 Aug 1842 Christening Date: 6 Nov 1842 Recorded in: New Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland Father: Colin ROSS Mother: Isobella ABERCROMBIE Source: FHL Film 1066601 Dates: 1840 - 1855 ROSS, Colin Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 10 Jan 1845 Christening Date: 18 May 1845 Recorded in: New Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland Father: Colin ROSS Mother: Isobella ABERCROMBIE Source: FHL Film 1066601 Dates: 1840 - 1855 ROSS, Robert Abercrombie Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 1846 Birthplace: , New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Recorded in: New Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland Father: Colin ROSS Mother: Isobella ABERCROMBIE Source: FHL Film 1066601 Dates: 1840 - 1855 Bob CDN ================ On 8/1/2014 5:55 PM, marg o'leary via wrote:<SNIP>....Hi all I am trying to expand the family tree for Australian soldier of Scottish descent, Mervyn ROSS who died in WW1 at Fromelles aged 21, particularly looking for male relatives. none of Mervyn’s siblings have male descendants in Australia. One brother had only daughters and the other also died in France about a month after Mervyn....

Interesting article in the Scotsman <http://www.scotsman.com/news/we-re-nearly-all-celts-under-the-skin-1-1141420> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi all Our List administrator has encouraged me to write to you about a request for help from experienced researchers in the UK. I am a volunteer researcher with the Fromelles Association of Australia. (on Face Book) We assist the Australian Army to identify living relatives of soldiers who died in WW1 at the battle of Fromelles. (Please google The Fromelles Project) About 250 soldiers of the Australian Imperial Forces (AIF) were exhumed from a mass grave a few years ago, and their DNA taken for the purpose of matching with living relatives. About 144 have now been identified. Many were identified early on as 5000 relatives rushed forward to offer DNA. We are working with the more difficult cases: · Australian born, but with UK parents or grandparents. · UK born. Of the UK born, many came to Australia to work as jackaroos on cattle stations, farms etc. Just like modern backpackers, they sometimes came with a mate, ended up in a rural town, joined up with all the other young men in 1915. So no family in Australia. Some joined up as they stepped off the ship. We build family trees, we also build more specific DNA charts. We need both Y and Mt DNA. Y follows the soldier’s father’s line and Mt follows the soldier’s mother’s line. Sometimes we go back many generations. The army will fund one DNA test only for each type per soldier, so we must get it right. So we work a family tree back…. and then through to the living relatives. We are seeking experienced volunteer researchers on the ground in the UK. Not necessarily to do the whole research but to help other researchers who have come to a brick wall, reviewing the tree and following it through to the end with the relatives. We believe some aspects of the research are easier to do at the UK end. We have received excellent but rather random help from lists in the past. We are looking for some consistency. We provide training, so it’s an opportunity to build skills. We have a number of training documents, pro-forma letters and other docs already prepared, for when a donor is identified and contact is made. Once we get the agreement of the prospective donor, it then goes to the army and they take over in a complete legal privacy frame work. Skills/commitment needed: · Have some regular time to commit · Be able to work in a team and report regularly to the coordinator via email · Be tactful, discreet and supportive and maintain privacy where needed. · Have a family tree program that will do a tree or descendant report · Able to work trees back in time · Able to work trees forward to the living. · Able to do DNA reports (can use Word shapes or hand done and scanned) - we train for that. · Confident to contact prospective donors by phone or mail, and support them though the process until the army takes over. We can do the contacting if that is preferred. So I am asking the list if there is anyone who would like to be involved in this type of research on an ongoing basis? My local family history group has 6 people who are doing some of the research, some like to work alone, some in pairs and some like to work in a bigger group, but we all help each other regularly via email, to bounce ideas around. Everything has to be peer reviewed because if we make a mistake, it means the wrong dna is done and the soldier is never identified. I have an “average” brick wall test case of a soldier whose parents were born in Kendal, Westmorland, and whose relatives live in Lancashire if anyone would like to try it to see how they go. Hopefully someone will get further than we have. I became a researcher because someone asked for my genealogy help with their soldier and I thought ‘this sounds like something I would like to do.’ The team is very supportive and the work rewarding. We would really be interested in some expressions of interest or questions. Please reply off the list Marg O’Leary, Fromelles Association [email protected]

Celts descended from Spanish tribes, 7000 years ago?!!! typical balderdash from the Oxford University crew. Their notion of Picts is as entertaining. Honest, we have a Genographic crew on our side of the pond, getting actual large grants to investigate the notion that we are all Phoenicians, descended from people who colonized North Africa just before Roman times or something - via the Merovingian blood line and Christ's daughter. Celts were a culture/ empire of central Europe. Their people (and some of their chieftains) spread into England and Scotland, but not to Ireland. They were preceded by the Urnfield people, a late bronze age people very similar to the Celts except that the Celts used iron. That culture was larger and included Spain, and I think that they may have spread to Ireland as well. The Neolithic spread in two branches. The southern branch came along the Mediterranean coast, around the coast of Spain, and sailed up between England and Ireland and settled the two facing coasts. They got as far as Scotland. They brought megalithic culture. They were not Celts, and they weren't Spanish. It was 5000 BC, give or take a few hundred years. I didn't even trouble to read what they are saying about Picts today. Picts were a group of tribes that organized around 400 AD, give or take a hundred years, in north central Scotland, in resistance to the Romans, and spread to the south and to the east. They were never an ethnic group. They do not have characteristic DNA. Their DNA would have been the northern Scottish mish mash of their time, and it would have absorbed central and southeastern Scottish mishmash DNA of their time. In early medieval times they were one of the three groups that ruled Scotland. To the southwest were the Scots, to the southeast, Anglo-Saxons. Eventually the Norse moved into far northern, western and southwestern areas. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 4:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] We're nearly all Celts under the skin Interesting article in the Scotsman <http://www.scotsman.com/news/we-re-nearly-all-celts-under-the-skin-1-1141420> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Growing up, for my wife and myself, Saturday was bath night. There were a few times when the water had to be heated for the sponge bath when I was young. We do shower when needed, but certainly not every day, and never in the morning. We just tend to stay cool and comfortable most all the time. We are just lucky that way not having to waste all that time and water. I know my weaving ancestors of Bridgeton would have been working in tough conditions and would have enjoyed a bath. Dale McKinley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:10 AM Subject: [Lanark] What Hath God Wrought > > > "Life in America in had enough babies to beat these grim odds. To help > them through labor, neighbors and trained midwives Press > Copyright 2007 by Oxford University Press, Inc. > Pages 32, 37 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Exercise, or movement in your occupation keeps your mind, organs and body in good shape, so you live longer. On Thu 31/07/14 3:00 AM , [email protected] sent: > > > > > PLEASE NOTE > > > > When replying to a digest message, please quote only the specific portion > or message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from > your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it > coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. What Hath God Wrought (Maisie Egger) > > 2. Re: What Hath God Wrought (Cliff. Johnston) > > 3. Re: What Hath God Wrought (Cliff. Johnston) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:10:51 -0700 > > From: "Maisie Egger" ca > [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] What Hath God Wrought > > To: [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Amazing to think that some of my ?ancients? in the 1700s lived until they > were well into their 90s. Most were agricultural workers, dairymaids, > etc., in the Kirkcudbrightshire, Wigtownshire areas. Conversely, the ones > who gravitated from there north to such as Glasgow didn?t live nearly so > long. > > > > > > > Maisie > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >From What Hath God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe. In > 1815, Americans were young, went barefoot, and didn't take baths: > > > > > > > "Life in America in 1815 was dirty, smelly, laborious, and uncomfortable. > People spent most of their waking hours working, with scant opportunity for > the development of individual talents and interests unrelated to farming. > Cobbler-made shoes being expensive and uncomfortable, country people of > ordinary means went barefoot much of the time. White people of both sexes > wore heavy fabrics covering their bodies, even in the humid heat of summer, > for they believed (correctly) sunshine bad for their skin. People usually > owned few changes of clothes and stank of sweat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week. Since water had > to be carried from a spring or well and heated in a kettle, people gave > themselves sponge baths, using the washtub. Some bathed once a year, in the > spring, but as late as 1832, a New England country doctor complained that > four out of five of his patients did not bathe from one year to the next. > When washing themselves, people usually only rinsed off, saving their > harsh, homemade soap for cleaning clothes. Inns did not provide soap to > travelers. > > > > > > > "Having an outdoor privy signified a level of decency above those who > simply relieved themselves in the woods or fields. Indoor light was scarce > and precious; families made their own candles, smelly and smoky, from > animal tallow. A single fireplace provided all the cooking and heating for > a common household. During winter, everybody slept in the room with the > fire, several in each bed. Privacy for married couples was a luxury. ... > > > > > > > "It was a young society: The census listed the median age as sixteen, and > only one person in eight as over forty-three years old. Women bore children > in agony and danger, making their life expectancy, unlike today, slightly > shorter than that of men. Once born, infants often succumbed to diseases > like diphtheria, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. One-third of white > children and over half of black children died before reaching adulthood. > The women had enough babies to beat these grim odds. To help them through > labor, neighbors and trained midwives attended them. Doctors were in short > supply, hospitals almost unknown. This proved a blessing in disguise, for > physicians then did as much harm as good, and hospitals incubated > infection. The upside of rural isolation was that epidemics did not spread > easily." > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 (Oxford > History of the United States) > Author: Daniel Walker Howe > > Publisher: Oxford University Press > > Copyright 2007 by Oxford University Press, Inc. > > Pages 32, 37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:15:14 -0700 > > From: "Cliff. Johnston" texasfa > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] What Hath God Wrought > > To: Maisie Egger ca > [email protected]>, "[email protected] > otsweb.com" > [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: > > [email protected] > gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Maise, > > > > That city life will do you in every time ;-)? Much the same history with my > ancestors too. > > > Cliff. > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:13 AM, Maisie Egger via [email protected] > otsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Amazing to think that some of my ?ancients? in the 1700s lived until they > were well into their 90s.? Most were agricultural workers, dairymaids, > etc., in the Kirkcudbrightshire, Wigtownshire areas.? Conversely, the ones > who gravitated from there north to such as Glasgow didn?t live nearly so > long. > > > > > > > Maisie > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >From What Hath God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe. In > 1815, Americans were young, went barefoot, and didn't take baths: > > > > > > > "Life in America in 1815 was dirty, smelly, laborious, and uncomfortable. > People spent most of their waking hours working, with scant opportunity for > the development of individual talents and interests unrelated to farming. > Cobbler-made shoes being expensive and uncomfortable, country people of > ordinary means went barefoot much of the time. White people of both sexes > wore heavy fabrics covering their bodies, even in the humid heat of summer, > for they believed (correctly) sunshine bad for their skin. People usually > owned few changes of clothes and stank of sweat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week. Since water had > to be carried from a spring or well and heated in a kettle, people gave > themselves sponge baths, using the washtub. Some bathed once a year, in the > spring, but as late as 1832, a New England country doctor complained that > four out of five of his patients did not bathe from one year to the next. > When washing themselves, people usually only rinsed off, saving their > harsh, homemade soap for cleaning clothes. Inns did not provide soap to > travelers. > > > > > > > "Having an outdoor privy signified a level of decency above those who > simply relieved themselves in the woods or fields. Indoor light was scarce > and precious; families made their own candles, smelly and smoky, from > animal tallow. A single fireplace provided all the cooking and heating for > a common household. During winter, everybody slept in the room with the > fire, several in each bed. Privacy for married couples was a luxury. ...? > > > > > > > "It was a young society: The census listed the median age as sixteen, and > only one person in eight as over forty-three years old. Women bore children > in agony and danger, making their life expectancy, unlike today, slightly > shorter than that of men. Once born, infants often succumbed to diseases > like diphtheria, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. One-third of white > children and over half of black children died before reaching adulthood. > The women had enough babies to beat these grim odds. To help them through > labor, neighbors and trained midwives attended them. Doctors were in short > supply, hospitals almost unknown. This proved a blessing in disguise, for > physicians then did as much harm as good, and hospitals incubated > infection. The upside of rural isolation was that epidemics did not spread > easily."? > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 (Oxford > History of the United States) > Author: Daniel Walker Howe > > Publisher: Oxford University Press > > Copyright 2007 by Oxford University Press, Inc. > > Pages 32, 37 > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > ------------------------------- > > > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > otsweb.com. > > > You may contact the List Admin at lan > [email protected] or click on the following link to the list > information page online:? > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to L > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:58:47 -0700 > > From: "Cliff. Johnston" texasfa > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] What Hath God Wrought > > To: "Cliff. Johnston" texasfa > [email protected]>, Maisie Egger > ca > [email protected]>, "[email protected] > otsweb.com" > [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: > > [email protected] > gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > "Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week. Since water had > to be carried from a spring or well and heated in a kettle, people gave > themselves sponge baths, using the washtub. Some bathed once a year, in the > spring, but as late as 1832, a New England country doctor complained that > four out of five of his patients did not bathe from one year to the next." > > > Interesting as I was watching a bit about Vikings on the TV about a month > ago.? As far back as 900 AD, and perhaps earlier, they were?claimed to have > typically?taken a bath once a week.? I cannot imagine the B.O. from someone > who had not bathed for an entire year though? :-( > > > Cliff. > > > > P.S.: I have tried to delete most of the previous comments, but for some > reason or other the Delete key function is not working here :-( > > > > > On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:16 AM, Cliff. Johnston via [email protected] > otsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Maise, > > > > That city life will do you in every time ;-)? Much the same history with my > ancestors too. > > > Cliff. > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:13 AM, Maisie Egger via [email protected] > otsweb.com> wrote: > ? > > > > > > Amazing to think that some of my ?ancients? in the 1700s lived until they > were well into their 90s.? Most were agricultural workers, dairymaids, > etc., in the Kirkcudbrightshire, Wigtownshire areas.? Conversely, the ones > who gravitated from there north to such as Glasgow didn?t live nearly so > long. > > > > > > > Maisie > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >From What Hath God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe. In > 1815, Americans were young, went barefoot, and didn't take baths: > > > > > > > "Life in America in 1815 was dirty, smelly, laborious, and uncomfortable. > People spent most of their waking hours working, with scant opportunity for > the development of individual talents and interests unrelated to farming. > Cobbler-made shoes being expensive and uncomfortable, country people of > ordinary means went barefoot much of the time. White people of both sexes > wore heavy fabrics covering their bodies, even in the humid heat of summer, > for they believed (correctly) sunshine bad for their skin. People usually > owned few changes of clothes and stank of sweat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week. Since water had > to be carried from a spring or well and heated in a kettle, people gave > themselves sponge baths, using the washtub. Some bathed once a year, in the > spring, but as late as 1832, a New England country doctor complained that > four out of five of his patients did not bathe from one year to the next. > When washing themselves, people usually only rinsed off, saving their > harsh, homemade soap for cleaning clothes. Inns did not provide soap to > travelers. > > > > > > > "Having an outdoor privy signified a level of decency above those who > simply relieved themselves in the woods or fields. Indoor light was scarce > and precious; families made their own candles, smelly and smoky, from > animal tallow. A single fireplace provided all the cooking and heating for > a common household. During winter, everybody slept in the room with the > fire, several in each bed. Privacy for married couples was a luxury. ...? > > > > > > > "It was a young society: The census listed the median age as sixteen, and > only one person in eight as over forty-three years old. Women bore children > in agony and danger, making their life expectancy, unlike today, slightly > shorter than that of men. Once born, infants often succumbed to diseases > like diphtheria, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. One-third of white > children and over half of black children died before reaching adulthood. > The women had enough babies to beat these grim odds. To help them through > labor, neighbors and trained midwives attended them. Doctors were in short > supply, hospitals almost unknown. This proved a blessing in disguise, for > physicians then did as much harm as good, and hospitals incubated > infection. The upside of rural isolation was that epidemics did not spread > easily."? > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 (Oxford > History of the United States) > Author: Daniel Walker Howe > > Publisher: Oxford University Press > > Copyright 2007 by Oxford University Press, Inc. > > Pages 32, 37 > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > ------------------------------- > > > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. 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I seem to remember reading in A Century of the Scottish People 1830–1950 by T.C. Smout that children raised in the country were better off.  Fresh air and the availability of fresh produce did much to alleviate childhood ailments like rickets, rife in the poor living in the cities.  People were also not piled on top of one another in unsanitary conditions.  Not that conditions were more sanitary, there just wasn't the congestion. Elizabeth On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:19:59 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:10:51 -0700 From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> Subject: [Lanark] What Hath God Wrought To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8" Amazing to think that some of my ?ancients? in the 1700s lived until they were well into their 90s.  Most were agricultural workers, dairymaids, etc., in the Kirkcudbrightshire, Wigtownshire areas.  Conversely, the ones who gravitated from there north to such as Glasgow didn?t live nearly so long. Maisie --------------------------------

"Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week. Since water had to be carried from a spring or well and heated in a kettle, people gave themselves sponge baths, using the washtub. Some bathed once a year, in the spring, but as late as 1832, a New England country doctor complained that four out of five of his patients did not bathe from one year to the next." Interesting as I was watching a bit about Vikings on the TV about a month ago.  As far back as 900 AD, and perhaps earlier, they were claimed to have typically taken a bath once a week.  I cannot imagine the B.O. from someone who had not bathed for an entire year though  :-( Cliff. P.S.: I have tried to delete most of the previous comments, but for some reason or other the Delete key function is not working here :-( On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:16 AM, Cliff. Johnston via <[email protected]> wrote: Maise, That city life will do you in every time ;-)  Much the same history with my ancestors too. Cliff. On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:13 AM, Maisie Egger via <[email protected]> wrote:   Amazing to think that some of my ‘ancients’ in the 1700s lived until they were well into their 90s.  Most were agricultural workers, dairymaids, etc., in the Kirkcudbrightshire, Wigtownshire areas.  Conversely, the ones who gravitated from there north to such as Glasgow didn’t live nearly so long. Maisie -------------------------------- From What Hath God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe. In 1815, Americans were young, went barefoot, and didn't take baths: "Life in America in 1815 was dirty, smelly, laborious, and uncomfortable. People spent most of their waking hours working, with scant opportunity for the development of individual talents and interests unrelated to farming. Cobbler-made shoes being expensive and uncomfortable, country people of ordinary means went barefoot much of the time. White people of both sexes wore heavy fabrics covering their bodies, even in the humid heat of summer, for they believed (correctly) sunshine bad for their skin. People usually owned few changes of clothes and stank of sweat. "Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week. Since water had to be carried from a spring or well and heated in a kettle, people gave themselves sponge baths, using the washtub. Some bathed once a year, in the spring, but as late as 1832, a New England country doctor complained that four out of five of his patients did not bathe from one year to the next. When washing themselves, people usually only rinsed off, saving their harsh, homemade soap for cleaning clothes. Inns did not provide soap to travelers. "Having an outdoor privy signified a level of decency above those who simply relieved themselves in the woods or fields. Indoor light was scarce and precious; families made their own candles, smelly and smoky, from animal tallow. A single fireplace provided all the cooking and heating for a common household. During winter, everybody slept in the room with the fire, several in each bed. Privacy for married couples was a luxury. ...  "It was a young society: The census listed the median age as sixteen, and only one person in eight as over forty-three years old. Women bore children in agony and danger, making their life expectancy, unlike today, slightly shorter than that of men. Once born, infants often succumbed to diseases like diphtheria, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. One-third of white children and over half of black children died before reaching adulthood. The women had enough babies to beat these grim odds. To help them through labor, neighbors and trained midwives attended them. Doctors were in short supply, hospitals almost unknown. This proved a blessing in disguise, for physicians then did as much harm as good, and hospitals incubated infection. The upside of rural isolation was that epidemics did not spread easily."    What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 (Oxford History of the United States) Author: Daniel Walker Howe Publisher: Oxford University Press Copyright 2007 by Oxford University Press, Inc. Pages 32, 37   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Maise, That city life will do you in every time ;-)  Much the same history with my ancestors too. Cliff. On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:13 AM, Maisie Egger via <[email protected]> wrote: Amazing to think that some of my ‘ancients’ in the 1700s lived until they were well into their 90s.  Most were agricultural workers, dairymaids, etc., in the Kirkcudbrightshire, Wigtownshire areas.  Conversely, the ones who gravitated from there north to such as Glasgow didn’t live nearly so long. Maisie -------------------------------- From What Hath God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe. In 1815, Americans were young, went barefoot, and didn't take baths: "Life in America in 1815 was dirty, smelly, laborious, and uncomfortable. People spent most of their waking hours working, with scant opportunity for the development of individual talents and interests unrelated to farming. Cobbler-made shoes being expensive and uncomfortable, country people of ordinary means went barefoot much of the time. White people of both sexes wore heavy fabrics covering their bodies, even in the humid heat of summer, for they believed (correctly) sunshine bad for their skin. People usually owned few changes of clothes and stank of sweat. "Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week. Since water had to be carried from a spring or well and heated in a kettle, people gave themselves sponge baths, using the washtub. Some bathed once a year, in the spring, but as late as 1832, a New England country doctor complained that four out of five of his patients did not bathe from one year to the next. When washing themselves, people usually only rinsed off, saving their harsh, homemade soap for cleaning clothes. Inns did not provide soap to travelers. "Having an outdoor privy signified a level of decency above those who simply relieved themselves in the woods or fields. Indoor light was scarce and precious; families made their own candles, smelly and smoky, from animal tallow. A single fireplace provided all the cooking and heating for a common household. During winter, everybody slept in the room with the fire, several in each bed. Privacy for married couples was a luxury. ...  "It was a young society: The census listed the median age as sixteen, and only one person in eight as over forty-three years old. Women bore children in agony and danger, making their life expectancy, unlike today, slightly shorter than that of men. Once born, infants often succumbed to diseases like diphtheria, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. One-third of white children and over half of black children died before reaching adulthood. The women had enough babies to beat these grim odds. To help them through labor, neighbors and trained midwives attended them. Doctors were in short supply, hospitals almost unknown. This proved a blessing in disguise, for physicians then did as much harm as good, and hospitals incubated infection. The upside of rural isolation was that epidemics did not spread easily."    What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 (Oxford History of the United States) Author: Daniel Walker Howe Publisher: Oxford University Press Copyright 2007 by Oxford University Press, Inc. Pages 32, 37   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amazing to think that some of my ‘ancients’ in the 1700s lived until they were well into their 90s. Most were agricultural workers, dairymaids, etc., in the Kirkcudbrightshire, Wigtownshire areas. Conversely, the ones who gravitated from there north to such as Glasgow didn’t live nearly so long. Maisie -------------------------------- >From What Hath God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe. In 1815, Americans were young, went barefoot, and didn't take baths: "Life in America in 1815 was dirty, smelly, laborious, and uncomfortable. People spent most of their waking hours working, with scant opportunity for the development of individual talents and interests unrelated to farming. Cobbler-made shoes being expensive and uncomfortable, country people of ordinary means went barefoot much of the time. White people of both sexes wore heavy fabrics covering their bodies, even in the humid heat of summer, for they believed (correctly) sunshine bad for their skin. People usually owned few changes of clothes and stank of sweat. "Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week. Since water had to be carried from a spring or well and heated in a kettle, people gave themselves sponge baths, using the washtub. Some bathed once a year, in the spring, but as late as 1832, a New England country doctor complained that four out of five of his patients did not bathe from one year to the next. When washing themselves, people usually only rinsed off, saving their harsh, homemade soap for cleaning clothes. Inns did not provide soap to travelers. "Having an outdoor privy signified a level of decency above those who simply relieved themselves in the woods or fields. Indoor light was scarce and precious; families made their own candles, smelly and smoky, from animal tallow. A single fireplace provided all the cooking and heating for a common household. During winter, everybody slept in the room with the fire, several in each bed. Privacy for married couples was a luxury. ... "It was a young society: The census listed the median age as sixteen, and only one person in eight as over forty-three years old. Women bore children in agony and danger, making their life expectancy, unlike today, slightly shorter than that of men. Once born, infants often succumbed to diseases like diphtheria, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. One-third of white children and over half of black children died before reaching adulthood. The women had enough babies to beat these grim odds. To help them through labor, neighbors and trained midwives attended them. Doctors were in short supply, hospitals almost unknown. This proved a blessing in disguise, for physicians then did as much harm as good, and hospitals incubated infection. The upside of rural isolation was that epidemics did not spread easily." What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 (Oxford History of the United States) Author: Daniel Walker Howe Publisher: Oxford University Press Copyright 2007 by Oxford University Press, Inc. Pages 32, 37

Looking up the words separately, Nevig or Nevus may refer to a birthmark, Maros is a slavic word, meaning a super hero or man with abnormal abilities and a big penis? Catt