Hi Jenny and Edward I have a few Mason,s by any chance do have other informationRegards jean > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:27:38 +1100 > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Death of John Mason between 1865 and 1871 - not found on SP > From: [email protected] > > Hi Edward, > > A couple of questions to try and help you.... > > On the 2nd child's birth and death reg. does it record the father as alive > or deceased? > > What occupation is given for John Mason on his marriage and 1st child's > birth reg.? > > In the 1871 census there is a John and Catherine living in Govan! In 1881 > this same family are living in Old Kilpatrick. > > As for an Irregular Marriage, they were quite common so not as discreet as > you may have thought. > > Regards > Jenny > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 4:28 AM > Subject: [Lanark] Death of John Mason between 1865 and 1871 - not found on > SP > > John Mason married Catherine Wyllie in 5 Abbotsford Place in Glasgow on 7th > July 1865. > Their first child is born 4 months after the marriage, and then another > child appears in 1869 who sadly dies quite shortly afterwards. > By 1871, she is living on her own as the Head of the house and there is no > mention of John Mason. > She remarries (irregular form in front of two witnesses rather than in > church, so all rather dscreet) in 1876. > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To: Jim Bundy Subject: Re: [Lanark] Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 105 Jim, nice to see a 'weel kent' face again. Though my forebears did not come from the Shotts area, I am sure some of the records/names you are uncovering might prove to be a gem for someone. Some of my relatives were involved with the Oakbank Oil Works, Mid Calder, Midlothian, and lived in company-owned Oakbank village, which is no more. Adjoining my aunt's house practically was this huge bing of leftover shale. It was some climb to the top but the view was outstanding. The residue from such oil/shale endeavours can be seen in the huge bings between Glasgow and the Lothians, including Shotts. Some of the bings have been demolished and the leftover shale repurposed in road building. Some of the bings are now protected environmental fauna and flora habitats. A bing near where I lived on north-east Glasgow was of left-over coal dross. It was quite high, and from the top one had a great view of the surrounding countryside. This coal mining bing was abandoned many years prior to this north-east end of Glasgow being developed. It was quite eye-popping to see a farmer and one policeman trying to figure out how to rescue the farmer's horse that had fallen down a disused shaft. What if this had been a child, I used to wonder. On the link, there is a small picture in the sidebar of an example of a bing. http://www.scottishshale.co.uk/GazVillages/OakbankVillage.html Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is the oil extracted from shale years ago the same as the current controversial fracking? Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bundy via Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:56 AM To: Lanarkshire Rootsweb Subject: [Lanark] Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 105 Hello, A kind lister who'd kept up with these transcriptions in the past informed me that I was repeating myself in the previous note. I had thought I was still sending information in early 2012, but wasn't able to find it in the search function for some reason. I've certainly found it now, and so am now presenting new material. In doing this in film order, the following is that last page in this series, and moves back in time starting in 1705 and titled "marriage and gifts to the poor". I'll start on that one next. Jim Bundy

Welcome back, Jim, Many of us appreciate the detailed work that you and others do in transcribing records and publishing the results. i have picked up clues from your work about my family who lived around the Shotts and Whitburn area. Many thanks, Jim F On 6 Oct 2014, at 01:50, Jim Bundy via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Listers, > > After 3 years I'm finally going to start contributing transcribed records > again. This note starts where I left off in July 2011, and I will send more > several pages at a time. I have been transcribing during these past 3 years > while volunteering at my local FHC as time has permitted, and so have quite > a few pages completed. > > > Jim Bundy > > > > Page 100 > > 1816 James Beverage Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Elisabeth Beverage Spouse > had a Daughter born there upon the 10th day of Augt and Baptized here on the > 11th of that month and Named Isobel Beverage > > 1816 Mr John Strang Farmer in Gartness and Mrs Agnes Fleming Spouse had a > Daughter born there upon the first day of Augt and Baptized here on the 11th > and Named Betty Strang > > 1816 Robert Bell Labourer residing at Pollockshill in Bothwell Parish and > Jean Walker Spouse had a Son born there upon the 21st day of July & baptized > here upon the 11th of Augt and Named William Bell > > 1815 Margaret Illegitimate Child to David Robert Weaver at Pollockshill and > Margt Russell Junr at Cottonhall born there upon the 9th Septr and Baptized > here upon the 11th of August 1860 > > > > 1816 James Muir Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Agnes Penman Spouse had a Son > born there upon the 12th day of August and upon the 20th thereof Baptized > and Name Thomas Muir > > 1816 David Gilmour Farmer in Easter Fortissat and Bett Gilmour Spouse had a > Son born there upon the 23d day of Augt & Baptized here upon the 15th of > Septr and Named Allan Gilmour > > 1816 Thomas Smith Furnace Filler at Omoa Iron Works and Agnes Sinclair > Spouse had Twins born there upon the 29th day of Augt both Daughters and > Baptized here upon the 15th of September The Eldest named Ann Smith The > younger named Elisabeth Smith > > 1816 John Baird Esqr Managing Partner of Shotts Iron Works & Mrs Mary Murray > Spouse had a Son born there upon the 20th day of Augt and Baptized upon the > 10th of September and Named Hugh Baird > > 1816 James Livingston Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Margaret Clarkson > Spouse had a (blank) born there upon the 2d day of September & Baptized upon > the 10th and Named (blank) > > > > Page 101 > > 1815 Charles Connor Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Helen Murie Spouse had a > Son born there upon the 9th day of May & Baptized upon the 3d June & Named > David Connor > > 1815 John Ross Smith at Omoa Iron Works & Janet Jack Spouse had a Son born > there upon the Twenty Second day of May and Baptized here upon the 4th June > (Say born at Gowne Green Bothwell Parish) and Named James Jack Ross > > 1815 James Thomson of Brackenknow & Ann Russell Spouse had a Son born there > upon the fifteenth day of May & Baptized upon the 4th June and Named George > Thomson > > 1815 John Craig Farmer in Bothwellshields & Janet McNair Spouse had a > Daughter born there upon he Eighth day of May & Baptized upon the 4th June > Named Jane Craig > > 1815 John Brown Coalier in Salisburgh and Agnes Hannah Spouse had a Daughter > born there upon the Twenty Third day of April & Baptized upon the 4th June > and Named Christian Brown > > > > 1815 William Hill Weaver in Airdrie & Ann Walker Spouse residing at Kirk of > Shotts had a Daughter born there upon the Eighth day of May & Baptized here > upon the 4th June and Named Marion Hill > > 1815 John Thomson Coalier residing at Omoa Iron Works & Margret Miller > Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the Eleventh day of May & Baptized > here the 4th June and Named Elisabeth Thomson > > 1815 Ebenezer Tayler Farmer in Forrest dyke & Marion Shanks Spouse had a Son > born there upon Sunday the Twenty Third day of April & + Baptized and Named > John Tayler > > 1815 Samuel Meuros Schoolmaster at Shotts & Grace Douglas Spouse had a > Daughter born there upon Thursday morning the Sixteenth day of March & > Baptized upon the 13th April James Marshall Esqr of Goodockhill and Mr > Samuel Sommervile Mercht Edinr Witnesses and Named Christian Arnot Meuros > > > + NB The Revd Wm Proudfoot Minister of this Parish Administrator S M Sess > Clk > > > > Page 102 > > 1815 James Smith Farmer in Glenmeadow & Janet Shaw Spouse had a Daughter > born there upon the Eighth day of May & Baptized & Named Jean Smith > > 1815 Alexr MacLuckie Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Janet Livingstone Spouse > had a Son born there upon the twelfth day of June & Baptized and Named > Robert MacLuckie > > 1815 Ritchie Letham Farmer in North Blairmuckhole & Mary Johnston Spouse had > a Daughter born there upon the 29th day of May & Baptized upon the 4th June > and Named Ann Letham > > 1814 John Cullen Farmer Longbyers & Elisabeth Young Spouse had a Son born > there upon the Twenty first day of Decemr & Baptized & Names James Cullen > > 1815 William Adam Coalier at Omoa Iron Works residing at Knownoble & Marion > Ross Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the ninth day of June & Baptized > here upon the 2d July & Named Elisabeth Burt Adam > > > > 1815 Mary Inglis Hamilton Ross Daughter of John Ross Overseer at Murdieston > & Jane Jack Spouse born at the Nort(h) Lodge at Murdieston upon the ninth > day of May & Baptized upon the 14 June same year > > 1815 Gavin Paterson Junr Carter at Omoa Foundry Bothwell Parish & Margaret > Lindsey Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the Sixth day of April & > Baptized here & Named Janet Paterson > > 1815 David Fisher Labourer at Omoa Foundry Bothwell Parish and Betty > Buchannan Spouse had a Son born there upon Saturday the fifteenth day of > July and Baptized here upon the 30th & Named Willm Fisher > > 1815 Jane Black in Salisburgh had a Daughter born there upon the Eighteenth > June illegitimate Named Jane McLaughla(n) > > 1815 Thomas Shaw & Margaret Allan Spouse residing at Shotts Iron Works had a > son born there upon the twenty ninth day of July and Baptized the 10th > August and Named Thomas Shaw > > 1815 Thomas Ritchie Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Janet Young Spouse had a > son born there upon the tenth day of August Baptized & Named Thos Ritchie > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Thanks to all for their comments. Edward R Paxton Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Oct 2014, at 10:52, Jennifer Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you I didn't go into SP, I only checked out census info. > > Jenny > > -----Original Message----- From: C M Houston > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:34 PM > To: Jennifer Myers ; edward paxton ; Lanark Rootsweb ; <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Death of John Mason between 1865 and 1871 - not foundon SP > > John's wife Catherine at Old Kilpatrick was a McCOLL not a Wylie. > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com >

When I was growing up in Glasgow, away back at the time of the flood (1940-1950s), nurses did their training in the hospital of choice, sort of like apprenticeships in factories. The apprfentices would learn their skills from an experienced worker, and then they'd have a day off to attend classes. I almost debated nurse's training at Stobhill Hospital, which might have meant I could have stayed at home as we lived within walking distance of the hospital. What put me off nursing completely were memories of the Sisters who 'ran' the ward, and the "fiends of the darkest pit' matrons that even the doctors were afraid of! Then of course the needles! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_in_the_United_Kingdom I believe nowadays, as in America, there is more emphasis on an academic approach to learning nursing. Here in the USA, most R.Ns. have university degrees. The local Community College offers different levels of nursing care, including the R.N. programme. Maybe under the National Health System (NHS) in U.K. nowadays things are quite different where nurses do not learn 'on the job.' Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Yvonne McDonald via Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:02 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [Lanark] Nursing School Agnes Crilley on the 1901 Census lived at 2 Church Place, Rutherglen and when she married Sidney Lister in Brighton, England in 1915, her occupation was as a nurse. Can anyone please tell me where she would have done her training and would it be possible to obtain her records. Thank you in advance, John, Pitt Meadows, BC, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Agnes Crilley on the 1901 Census lived at 2 Church Place, Rutherglen and when she married Sidney Lister in Brighton, England in 1915, her occupation was as a nurse. Can anyone please tell me where she would have done her training and would it be possible to obtain her records. Thank you in advance, John, Pitt Meadows, BC, Canada

Hello, A kind lister who'd kept up with these transcriptions in the past informed me that I was repeating myself in the previous note. I had thought I was still sending information in early 2012, but wasn't able to find it in the search function for some reason. I've certainly found it now, and so am now presenting new material. In doing this in film order, the following is that last page in this series, and moves back in time starting in 1705 and titled "marriage and gifts to the poor". I'll start on that one next. Jim Bundy Page 147 1810 John Petticrew Farmer Kirkgate Knows & Isobel Struthers his Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 28th of July and Baptized and Named Jane 1812 John Petticrew Farmer in Kirkgate Knows and Isobel Struthers his Spouse had a Son born there upon the 16th of May Say the Sixteenth and Baptized and Named Thomas 1814 John Petticrew Farmer in Kirkgate Knows & Isobel Struthers his Spouse had a Son born there upon the 6th day of May and Baptized and Named Robert 1816 John Petticrew Farmer in Kirkgate Knows and Isobel Struthers his Spouses had a Son born there upon the 2d day of June and Baptized and Named John 1818 John Petticrew Farmer in Kirkgate Knows and Isobel Struthers his Spouses had a Daughter born there upon the 28th of October and Baptized and Named Agnes 1821 John Petticrew Farmer in Kirkgate Knows and Isobel Struthers his Spouses had a Daughter born there upon the 7th day of May and Baptized and Named Janet 1821 David Gray residing at Harthill and Margaret Smart his Spouse had a Son born there upon the 24th of Feby Baptized and Named Alexander 1822 David Gray Wright residing at Harthill and Margaret Smart his Spouse had a Son born there upon the 4th of November Baptized and named James 1812 Andrew Cleland Farmer in Knownoble & Ann Fleming his Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 4th day of April and Baptized and Named Ann 1814 Andrew Cleland Farmer in Knownoble and Ann Fleming his Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 29th day of February and Baptized and Named Jess 1816 Andrew Cleland Farmer in Knownoble and Ann Fleming his Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 25th day of September and Baptized and Named Jean 1817 Thomas Orr Farmer in the Hill of Harthill and Barbara Cleland his Spouses had a Son born there upon the 3d day of Novr and Baptized and Named John being their 1st Child 1819 Thomas Orr Farmer in the Hill of Harthill and Barbara Cleland his Spouse had a Son born there upon the 4th day of Augt and Baptized and Named Thomas being their 2d Child 1821 Thomas Orr Farmer in Hill of Harthill and Barbara Clelend his Spouses had a Daughter born there upon the Seventeenth day of September and Baptized and Named Mary being their 3d Child 1824 Thomas Orr Farmer Hill of Harthill & Barbara Clelend hi Spouses had a Daughter born there upon the 13th day of April and Baptized by the Revd George Hill on the nineteenth of said Ninth and Named Jane

With Maisie posting about the Mitchell and the Poor Law Records, it jogged my memory of the outcome from my visit in May. After much to-ing and fro-ing with correspondence (email and snail) re my complaint of excess charging using the ScotlandsPeople Centre at the Mitchell, I was finally offered a £15 refund which in turn was direct deposited into my Aus. bank account (no exchange charges). The GROS (Edinburgh) is in no-way responsible for SP at the Mitchell Library Glasgow, it is completely under the Glasgow City Council jurisdiction. I might also add that a couple of my suggestions to improve service to users were taken on board to look at. Regards Jenny --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Edward, A couple of questions to try and help you.... On the 2nd child's birth and death reg. does it record the father as alive or deceased? What occupation is given for John Mason on his marriage and 1st child's birth reg.? In the 1871 census there is a John and Catherine living in Govan! In 1881 this same family are living in Old Kilpatrick. As for an Irregular Marriage, they were quite common so not as discreet as you may have thought. Regards Jenny Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 4:28 AM Subject: [Lanark] Death of John Mason between 1865 and 1871 - not found on SP John Mason married Catherine Wyllie in 5 Abbotsford Place in Glasgow on 7th July 1865. Their first child is born 4 months after the marriage, and then another child appears in 1869 who sadly dies quite shortly afterwards. By 1871, she is living on her own as the Head of the house and there is no mention of John Mason. She remarries (irregular form in front of two witnesses rather than in church, so all rather dscreet) in 1876. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I have a puzzle. John Mason married Catherine Wyllie in 5 Abbotsford Place in Glasgow on 7th July 1865. Their first child is born 4 months after the marriage, and then another child appears in 1869 who sadly dies quite shortly afterwards. By 1871, she is living on her own as the Head of the house and there is no mention of John Mason. She remarries (irregular form in front of two witnesses rather than in church, so all rather dscreet) in 1876. John Mason has simply disappeared. Did he emigrate? Did she "bump him off"? Could he not cope with his daughter's death, and so left home? All a puzzle!! Any help would be MOST appreciated Regards -- *Edward*

Hello Listers, After 3 years I'm finally going to start contributing transcribed records again. This note starts where I left off in July 2011, and I will send more several pages at a time. I have been transcribing during these past 3 years while volunteering at my local FHC as time has permitted, and so have quite a few pages completed. Jim Bundy Page 100 1816 James Beverage Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Elisabeth Beverage Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 10th day of Augt and Baptized here on the 11th of that month and Named Isobel Beverage 1816 Mr John Strang Farmer in Gartness and Mrs Agnes Fleming Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the first day of Augt and Baptized here on the 11th and Named Betty Strang 1816 Robert Bell Labourer residing at Pollockshill in Bothwell Parish and Jean Walker Spouse had a Son born there upon the 21st day of July & baptized here upon the 11th of Augt and Named William Bell 1815 Margaret Illegitimate Child to David Robert Weaver at Pollockshill and Margt Russell Junr at Cottonhall born there upon the 9th Septr and Baptized here upon the 11th of August 1860 1816 James Muir Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Agnes Penman Spouse had a Son born there upon the 12th day of August and upon the 20th thereof Baptized and Name Thomas Muir 1816 David Gilmour Farmer in Easter Fortissat and Bett Gilmour Spouse had a Son born there upon the 23d day of Augt & Baptized here upon the 15th of Septr and Named Allan Gilmour 1816 Thomas Smith Furnace Filler at Omoa Iron Works and Agnes Sinclair Spouse had Twins born there upon the 29th day of Augt both Daughters and Baptized here upon the 15th of September The Eldest named Ann Smith The younger named Elisabeth Smith 1816 John Baird Esqr Managing Partner of Shotts Iron Works & Mrs Mary Murray Spouse had a Son born there upon the 20th day of Augt and Baptized upon the 10th of September and Named Hugh Baird 1816 James Livingston Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Margaret Clarkson Spouse had a (blank) born there upon the 2d day of September & Baptized upon the 10th and Named (blank) Page 101 1815 Charles Connor Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Helen Murie Spouse had a Son born there upon the 9th day of May & Baptized upon the 3d June & Named David Connor 1815 John Ross Smith at Omoa Iron Works & Janet Jack Spouse had a Son born there upon the Twenty Second day of May and Baptized here upon the 4th June (Say born at Gowne Green Bothwell Parish) and Named James Jack Ross 1815 James Thomson of Brackenknow & Ann Russell Spouse had a Son born there upon the fifteenth day of May & Baptized upon the 4th June and Named George Thomson 1815 John Craig Farmer in Bothwellshields & Janet McNair Spouse had a Daughter born there upon he Eighth day of May & Baptized upon the 4th June Named Jane Craig 1815 John Brown Coalier in Salisburgh and Agnes Hannah Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the Twenty Third day of April & Baptized upon the 4th June and Named Christian Brown 1815 William Hill Weaver in Airdrie & Ann Walker Spouse residing at Kirk of Shotts had a Daughter born there upon the Eighth day of May & Baptized here upon the 4th June and Named Marion Hill 1815 John Thomson Coalier residing at Omoa Iron Works & Margret Miller Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the Eleventh day of May & Baptized here the 4th June and Named Elisabeth Thomson 1815 Ebenezer Tayler Farmer in Forrest dyke & Marion Shanks Spouse had a Son born there upon Sunday the Twenty Third day of April & + Baptized and Named John Tayler 1815 Samuel Meuros Schoolmaster at Shotts & Grace Douglas Spouse had a Daughter born there upon Thursday morning the Sixteenth day of March & Baptized upon the 13th April James Marshall Esqr of Goodockhill and Mr Samuel Sommervile Mercht Edinr Witnesses and Named Christian Arnot Meuros + NB The Revd Wm Proudfoot Minister of this Parish Administrator S M Sess Clk Page 102 1815 James Smith Farmer in Glenmeadow & Janet Shaw Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the Eighth day of May & Baptized & Named Jean Smith 1815 Alexr MacLuckie Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Janet Livingstone Spouse had a Son born there upon the twelfth day of June & Baptized and Named Robert MacLuckie 1815 Ritchie Letham Farmer in North Blairmuckhole & Mary Johnston Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the 29th day of May & Baptized upon the 4th June and Named Ann Letham 1814 John Cullen Farmer Longbyers & Elisabeth Young Spouse had a Son born there upon the Twenty first day of Decemr & Baptized & Names James Cullen 1815 William Adam Coalier at Omoa Iron Works residing at Knownoble & Marion Ross Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the ninth day of June & Baptized here upon the 2d July & Named Elisabeth Burt Adam 1815 Mary Inglis Hamilton Ross Daughter of John Ross Overseer at Murdieston & Jane Jack Spouse born at the Nort(h) Lodge at Murdieston upon the ninth day of May & Baptized upon the 14 June same year 1815 Gavin Paterson Junr Carter at Omoa Foundry Bothwell Parish & Margaret Lindsey Spouse had a Daughter born there upon the Sixth day of April & Baptized here & Named Janet Paterson 1815 David Fisher Labourer at Omoa Foundry Bothwell Parish and Betty Buchannan Spouse had a Son born there upon Saturday the fifteenth day of July and Baptized here upon the 30th & Named Willm Fisher 1815 Jane Black in Salisburgh had a Daughter born there upon the Eighteenth June illegitimate Named Jane McLaughla(n) 1815 Thomas Shaw & Margaret Allan Spouse residing at Shotts Iron Works had a son born there upon the twenty ninth day of July and Baptized the 10th August and Named Thomas Shaw 1815 Thomas Ritchie Coalier at Shotts Iron Works & Janet Young Spouse had a son born there upon the tenth day of August Baptized & Named Thos Ritchie

Maisie, I was very interested to read all about the Poorhouse records I know they are housed in the Mitchell and I could employ a researcher to search them, but I do not know at this stage how many of my ancestors were in and out of the poorhouse. So my question is - Is there any sort of index available to give a clue to if your ancestor is amongst these records or not. ? Not much point me employing a researcher or even asking the Library for a search, if I am not giving them the correct information or details. I do have some that died in the poorhouse but I suspect due to them being sick and poor at the same time, the family could no longer care for them, but so far nothing showing on the Census records that I have found. As I live in Australia, I cannot go to the Mitchell myself to check any of the wonderful records that I know they house ( I too have to win the Lotto), so therefore I would not want to waste anyone's time in searching for something that is not there. I would love the day when the Mitchell Library can make it so that you can log in from home (paying sites I have no issue with), just to search their catalogues and their computer data indexes, then at least you can then know what is available in order to get a researcher to obtain a copy of the information. thanks again Maisie, I enjoy reading your bits and pieces about Glasgow. Always gives a good insight to the background and what it must have been like. Ailsa Corlett [email protected] http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: [email protected] >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via >Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 5:56 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Lanark] Applications to the City Poorhouse, Glasgow > >Once more, if I barely need a reminder of how life has been so good to >me (well, winning a few million on the lottery would further sweeten the >pot!), all I need do is review the Applications to the Poorhouse >(Glasgow City Poorhouse, Parliamentary Rd.) made by some of my mother’s >Irish-born relatives and offspring to remind me again that this is the >best of times. > >A very kind (American) person on the Lanark list, whilst in Glasgow, >spent some time at the Mitchell library researching poorhouse records >for me which included copies of: > >Application for Relief: > >A detailed form :- > >No., Hour and Date of Application, Residence, Place of Birth, Hour and >Date of Inspector’s Visit to Applicant’s Home, Condition, Age, >Occupation, Average Value of Weekly Earnings, if any. Wholly or >Partially Disabled, Religious Denomination, Disability, Names and Ages >of Dependents. Other Information to enable Parochial Board to decide >case. Names of Children, Dependents, Earnings, etc. No. of previous >Applications, if any. Settlement. Remarks. Signature of Assistant >Inspector. > >Particulars of Settlement, (Barony Parish Historical Record Book) Cases >of Application for Parochial Relief, Assistant Inspector’s Report: Hour >and Date of Visit to Applicant’s Home. > >This application is strictly narrative, giving detailed notes about >dates, addresses, children involved, and comments/opinions , such as “No >trace can be got of the Putative father or anyone who knows him.” > >Barony Parish Historical Record Book: CASES OF APPLICATION FOR >PAROCHIAL RELIEF > >(Very poor copy) >Shortened format in the Application for Relief, with additional facts re >parents, ages of children. > >Assistant Inspector’s Report: Hour and Date of Visit to Applicant’s >Home: > >This form shows a few more short details of previous addresses where the >applicant lived between the first poorhouse application and one two >years later.

Subject: [Lanark] Applications to the City Poorhouse, Glasgow Agreed Maisie and Ian, the Inspectors left very few questions unanswered! Regards Jenny --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello Maisie and all I too have been very fortunate in finding a number of records for my early Glasgow family and was similarly overwhelmed by the information within. It makes one realise just how fortunate our later generations are. I regularly promote the Mitchell Library and the Poor House records to my fellow researchers here in our Society in Aust. Best wishes Ian Scott Perth Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 3:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Applications to the City Poorhouse, Glasgow Once more, if I barely need a reminder of how life has been so good to me (well, winning a few million on the lottery would further sweeten the pot!), all I need do is review the Applications to the Poorhouse (Glasgow City Poorhouse, Parliamentary Rd.) made by some of my mother’s Irish-born relatives and offspring to remind me again that this is the best of times. A very kind (American) person on the Lanark list, whilst in Glasgow, spent some time at the Mitchell library researching poorhouse records for me which included copies of: Application for Relief: A detailed form :- No., Hour and Date of Application, Residence, Place of Birth, Hour and Date of Inspector’s Visit to Applicant’s Home, Condition, Age, Occupation, Average Value of Weekly Earnings, if any. Wholly or Partially Disabled, Religious Denomination, Disability, Names and Ages of Dependents. Other Information to enable Parochial Board to decide case. Names of Children, Dependents, Earnings, etc. No. of previous Applications, if any. Settlement. Remarks. Signature of Assistant Inspector. Particulars of Settlement, (Barony Parish Historical Record Book) Cases of Application for Parochial Relief, Assistant Inspector’s Report: Hour and Date of Visit to Applicant’s Home. This application is strictly narrative, giving detailed notes about dates, addresses, children involved, and comments/opinions , such as “No trace can be got of the Putative father or anyone who knows him.” Barony Parish Historical Record Book: CASES OF APPLICATION FOR PAROCHIAL RELIEF (Very poor copy) Shortened format in the Application for Relief, with additional facts re parents, ages of children. Assistant Inspector’s Report: Hour and Date of Visit to Applicant’s Home: This form shows a few more short details of previous addresses where the applicant lived between the first poorhouse application and one two years later. ------------ My first instinct was to think of the ‘putative father” as a prize jerk. Upon reflection, perhaps not, as maybe he just could not provide for the child and figured she would have at least food and shelter in the poorhouse. The child of his “seeding” was born in the poorhouse, then shortly thereafter the mother died. The notes indicate that the poorhouse did not even know who the child was, though the father apparently was a resident there for e few weeks before he hightailed it and left her there. The child was then under the care of the grandmother before both ended up in the poorhouse again. There was another four-year-old child but after the initial mention on the application forms, there is nothing more reported about him. Perhaps he was in the care of this ‘putative father,’ or perhaps he had died in between times. This particular great-aunt of my mother that I have more particulars about and her daughter bounced around many addresses in the (really) older part of Glasgow. Old and New Vennels, Bell St., High Street, Saltmarket, as examples. At a place in Bell Street, the daughter was paying only 9d (nine pennies in old money) per week. I just can’t imagine the circumstances. For an idea of pictures of Old Glasgow go to: http://www.annanphotographs.co.uk/glasgowoldclosesvennels3.html What a sad and tragic story of my mother’s great-aunts from Ireland and a daughter of one being in and out of the poorhouse where they would end their days, the daughter dying at the young age of 29. A notation on an application: “Applies for admission to Poorhouse being destitute and confined to bed. Poor miserable creature, children and self.” Unfortunately the copy is very bad and some words illegible. I so appreciate to the fellow on this Lanark list who went out of his way to get me the poorhouse records at the Mitchell library. He said it cost him just a few pennies to copy them as (perhaps) he was able to access them online at the Mitchell. If you have an archivist there to do the research for you then the minimum charge is around £11, as I recall. Barnhill Poorhouse, Springburn, which replaced the City Poorhouse, was ‘just down the hill a bit’ from where I lived, and my mother’s constant threat was that we would all end up there if we as children didn’t stop asking for the unattainable...like maybe one extra pair of shoes! Hope this is of some interest to anyone whose forebears ended up in the poorhouse in Glasgow. ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ailsa, Now when I was seeking information from the Mitchell about another poor relative on my mother's side, the archivist at Mitchell did a preliminary search. The archivist said there was very little on the application) and then said if I wanted a copy of the document it would cost £11. I think I might have paid by credit card (can't remember) and it was sent by postal mail!...with apologies from the Mitchell about the dearth of information and poor copy...not their responsibility, of course. The little information that there was opened up other doors, with additional information I had no knowledge of. That was how I got the information on an iffy relative on my mother's side. His last name was Brown, but they still found him! I was then flabbergasted when this fellow here in the USA said when he'd be in Glasgow he'd be going to the Mitchell to do research and he would be glad to look up anything for me. He wouldn't even take his 'bus fare' from where he was staying in the outskirts of Glasgow, even though he made two trips to get the information for me. He said it was no bother as somehow he was able to access the information on the Mitchell computer. This was so in contrast to Jenny Myers' experience as she recounted on this list. I suggest that you give the Mitchell whatever information you have, however vague, with names, dates, places, etc. If there is an index, I wouldn't know how to access it, and so I suppose the archivists at the library do. This helpful fellow didn't give me any details when I asked how he accessed the names, except to say he plopped in the names and dates on the computer, and he went from there. Have a go, Ailsa. Depending on how much digging the archivist has to do it might take a while for them to get back to you. I must have had a lucky charm hanging around my neck as I did not have to wait a dog's age as some people complain about. Furthermore, in this in stance I was seeking an uncommon name. All the best. It's great when you can add a wee bit more to the narrative. Maisie 100oF + in Paso Robles California From: Ailsa Corlett via Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 7:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Applications to the City Poorhouse, Glasgow Maisie, I was very interested to read all about the Poorhouse records I know they are housed in the Mitchell and I could employ a researcher to search them, but I do not know at this stage how many of my ancestors were in and out of the poorhouse. So my question is - Is there any sort of index available to give a clue to if your ancestor is amongst these records or not. ? Not much point me employing a researcher or even asking the Library for a search, if I am not giving them the correct information or details. I do have some that died in the poorhouse but I suspect due to them being sick and poor at the same time, the family could no longer care for them, but so far nothing showing on the Census records that I have found. <<<<<------->>>>>

Once more, if I barely need a reminder of how life has been so good to me (well, winning a few million on the lottery would further sweeten the pot!), all I need do is review the Applications to the Poorhouse (Glasgow City Poorhouse, Parliamentary Rd.) made by some of my mother’s Irish-born relatives and offspring to remind me again that this is the best of times. A very kind (American) person on the Lanark list, whilst in Glasgow, spent some time at the Mitchell library researching poorhouse records for me which included copies of: Application for Relief: A detailed form :- No., Hour and Date of Application, Residence, Place of Birth, Hour and Date of Inspector’s Visit to Applicant’s Home, Condition, Age, Occupation, Average Value of Weekly Earnings, if any. Wholly or Partially Disabled, Religious Denomination, Disability, Names and Ages of Dependents. Other Information to enable Parochial Board to decide case. Names of Children, Dependents, Earnings, etc. No. of previous Applications, if any. Settlement. Remarks. Signature of Assistant Inspector. Particulars of Settlement, (Barony Parish Historical Record Book) Cases of Application for Parochial Relief, Assistant Inspector’s Report: Hour and Date of Visit to Applicant’s Home. This application is strictly narrative, giving detailed notes about dates, addresses, children involved, and comments/opinions , such as “No trace can be got of the Putative father or anyone who knows him.” Barony Parish Historical Record Book: CASES OF APPLICATION FOR PAROCHIAL RELIEF (Very poor copy) Shortened format in the Application for Relief, with additional facts re parents, ages of children. Assistant Inspector’s Report: Hour and Date of Visit to Applicant’s Home: This form shows a few more short details of previous addresses where the applicant lived between the first poorhouse application and one two years later. ------------ My first instinct was to think of the ‘putative father” as a prize jerk. Upon reflection, perhaps not, as maybe he just could not provide for the child and figured she would have at least food and shelter in the poorhouse. The child of his “seeding” was born in the poorhouse, then shortly thereafter the mother died. The notes indicate that the poorhouse did not even know who the child was, though the father apparently was a resident there for e few weeks before he hightailed it and left her there. The child was then under the care of the grandmother before both ended up in the poorhouse again. There was another four-year-old child but after the initial mention on the application forms, there is nothing more reported about him. Perhaps he was in the care of this ‘putative father,’ or perhaps he had died in between times. This particular great-aunt of my mother that I have more particulars about and her daughter bounced around many addresses in the (really) older part of Glasgow. Old and New Vennels, Bell St., High Street, Saltmarket, as examples. At a place in Bell Street, the daughter was paying only 9d (nine pennies in old money) per week. I just can’t imagine the circumstances. For an idea of pictures of Old Glasgow go to: http://www.annanphotographs.co.uk/glasgowoldclosesvennels3.html What a sad and tragic story of my mother’s great-aunts from Ireland and a daughter of one being in and out of the poorhouse where they would end their days, the daughter dying at the young age of 29. A notation on an application: “Applies for admission to Poorhouse being destitute and confined to bed. Poor miserable creature, children and self.” Unfortunately the copy is very bad and some words illegible. I so appreciate to the fellow on this Lanark list who went out of his way to get me the poorhouse records at the Mitchell library. He said it cost him just a few pennies to copy them as (perhaps) he was able to access them online at the Mitchell. If you have an archivist there to do the research for you then the minimum charge is around £11, as I recall. Barnhill Poorhouse, Springburn, which replaced the City Poorhouse, was ‘just down the hill a bit’ from where I lived, and my mother’s constant threat was that we would all end up there if we as children didn’t stop asking for the unattainable...like maybe one extra pair of shoes! Hope this is of some interest to anyone whose forebears ended up in the poorhouse in Glasgow.

I would like to share this with you, as I found it very poignant & used the last 4 lines in my Family Scrap Book beside the head stone of the eldest relative, I have found. Ancestor Poem Your tombstone stands among the rest Neglected and alone The name and date are chiseled out On polished marble stone It reaches out to all who care It is too late to mourn You did not know that I exist You died and I was born Yet each of us are cells of you In flesh, in blood and bone Our blood contacts and beats a pulse Entirely not our own Dear Ancestor , the place you filled One hundred years ago Spreads out among the ones you left Who would have loved you so I wonder if you if you lived and loved I wonder if you knew That someday I would find this spot And come and visit you Author Unknown

There was a John Forrest, a mason in Hamilton who married Margaret Bishop and had several children including James Forrest, born 1741, who died in 1795 in Dumbarton. I have a testament for this James McIntyre, died 1795 and his father is mentioned as John McIntyre, mason in Hamilton. This James Forrest had a spouse, Agnes McIntyre, mentioned in his testament. My James Forrest in Dumbarton was married to Janet McIntyre in 1777 and they were having children up to at least 1788. I cannot find a marriage anywhere between James Forest & Agnes McIntyre. Could Agnes be Janet? Does anyone else connect with this family and could help me sort it out? Judy

Correction the Valuation Rolls for the Burgh of Rutherglen were for 1875-1876 Maisie From: Maisie Egger Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Surprise in 1881 Valuation Roll for Burgh of Rutherglen Jenny Myers and I have been Lanark list friends for many years now. rica. What’s the significance in all of this for Jenny and me? Both her Keith and my Hillcoat potter forebears not only lived next to each other on Weaver Street, but also when they worked in a pottery in Rutherglen. Jenny found the Rutherglen information on Scotlandspeople valuation rolls for 1881. (CORRECTION – 1875-18760 Thank you, Jenny, for this day brightener. Maisie

Jenny Myers and I have been Lanark list friends for many years now. When Jenny went to Glasgow some years back, she met Jean McGee (such an entertaining writer) and they toured around Townhead, where I was born. I knew that some of that area opposite the cathedral had been demolished, but it took someone from Australia to confirm this and send a photograph that Weaver Street was one of the demolition boys’ casualties to make way for the University of Strathclyde, student housing and the ugly M8 overpass. Jenny was friends with another lister who was actually born and bred in Weaver Street, Townhead. She also sent some photographs of a building that was likely there in the 1880s. What a coincidence! She also kindly had a professional photographer friend take a photograph of a Corporation house (top drawer as tenements go in Glasgow!) where my mother’s family lived after they came back from Cape Town, South Africa. What’s the significance in all of this for Jenny and me? Both her Keith and my Hillcoat potter forebears not only lived next to each other on Weaver Street, but also when they worked in a pottery in Rutherglen. Jenny found the Rutherglen information on Scotlandspeople valuation rolls for 1881. Her Thomas Keith’s yearly rent at #8 Wardlawhill Street, Rutherglen, was £12.10s., whereas my great-great-grandfather James Hillcoat’s rent at #6 Wardlawhill St., was £9.10s. In those days a £3 difference in rent was substantial. I can’t imagine the disparity in rent as both were likely similar (nice) low-rise tenements. Thomas Keith and James Hillcoat are the only two shown as potters, whilst the rest of the renters seemed to have reasonably good jobs – builder, grocer, tailor, station master, etc. Needless to say, when Jenny sent the copy of the valuation roll for 1881, I was delighted as it brought the connection close to me with James Hillcoat as his daughter, my great-grandmother Jane (Jeannie) Hillcoat, worked as an ‘artist’ in the pottery. Two of her ironstone decorative plates have survived which I hope to pass on to my family. Jeannie Hillcoat’s husband, Alexander John Spence, was a master journeyman potter in the Caledonian Pottery. The People’s Palace Museum, Glasgow Green, had a few of his pottery items on display when I was in the museum some years back. A niece has a saut jar (salt), with another of the same design also at the People’s Palace. The amazing thing to me is that listers remember my family names that I am researching: Clint, Hyslop, Hillcoat, Brown, and Skiffington on my husband’s side. Thank you, Jenny, for this day brightener. Maisie