And dog-sledders shouting "Mush!" ? > You can spot a skier trained in Scotland because not only can we > ski on snow, we can handle porridge, ice, gravel, heather roots > and snow fencing. > > Anne Nice picture, Anne-- Jim Polson

> I've always wondered why they didn't do something inventive > with the left-over, treated shale, i.e.: build a ski hill or > modify a nearby mountain into a ski run ;-) Ski lifts hadn't been invented yet :-) And they have now found a use for it surfacing roads, so it's just as well they didn't use it up for something else. Some of the bings have been declared nature reserves because of the plant colonies that have developed on them, and people use them for recreation, motorcycling being one of the most popular uses. And I think at least one or two are now protected as industrial heritage sites. Seriously, Lowland Scotland isn't cold enough, so except in very bad winters snow doesn't last long. Even in the Highlands the freezing level in winter is often above the tops of the mountains, so that the snow surface at the ski resorts we do have often melts through the day and re-freezes at night. You can spot a skier trained in Scotland because not only can we ski on snow, we can handle porridge, ice, gravel, heather roots and snow fencing. Anne

Joyce, I do not have your e-mail address. Forgot to say, Joyce, that my grandmother was Catherine McDougall Anderson. Her parents Margaret McDougall and Archibald Anderson b. 1829, likely Glasgow. He was a good bit older than Margaret, and when he died she remarried a fellow by the name of Jimmy Cruikshank from Kinross (about 55 miles north of Glasgow which would might as well have been the ends of the earth when I was growing up!). In turn Archibald's parents were Archibald Anderson and Margaret Smellie (pronounced as in Smiley in Scotland!). I know nothing about them, however. Maisie ---------------------------------- Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 3:06 PM To: Joyce Pavelko Subject: Re: Your memories on the Lanark list. Thanks for that day-brightener, Joyce. Some people have a ton of names on their tree that they trip off their tongues, but my major names, beginning with myself and immediate forebears are a handful or so, Of course, I have plenty more but this group of names is the set that I work back from. The Hillcoat tree goes back to 1630s. It's a diaspora with those with this name fanning out from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England, to Australia, S. Africa, S. America, N. America, etc. I didn't do all that research but a woman with the Hillcoat name in Australia sent me the equivalent of a 59-page list of names. Somebody did a Herculean job in putting this list together and it must have taken years. CLINT SPENCE HARVIE HILLCOAT (English) HYSLOP BROWN McDOUGALL ANDERSON GRIBBIN (Irish) POPE (Irish-Scottish) ---------------------------------- Subject: Your memories on the Lanark list. Hello Maise, When I read your recent post, all I could think was, I wish I were related to you! Thank you for sharing your memories. I’m not sure if we’ve been in contact before, may I ask your Scottish family names from your ancestors? Regards, Joyce Pavelko Arlington Heights, IL Reaserching: SMITH, GIBSON, STAFFORD, ANDERSON=

I see, said the blind man ;-) lol..,. On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:26 PM, Maisie Egger <[email protected]> wrote: BECAUSE, Cliff, believe it or not, we don’t get a lot of snow in the Central Belt (compared with the Highland and North-East areas). Too much rain that would wash away the snow in a twinkling! The worst winter I remember with snow up to my knees practically was in 1947. My husband, from Long Island, N.Y., said that there was an equally cold winter there that year too. I gather that super cold years, as in 1963, don’t necessarily translate into snow. Not that I would attempt to think like a meteorologist, but I suppose snow falls would depend on how much moisture is in the air. That being so, Glasgow should be piled high with snow in the winter, but fortunately the climate is too temperate for that. Maisie Straight from the horse’s mouth on Google: Scottish Climate Scotland’s climate tends to be very changeable. It has much milder winters than areas on similar latitudes, such as southern Scandinavia and Moscow, but its summers tend to be cooler and wetter. Western Scotland is usually warmer than the east because of Atlantic Ocean currents and the colder surface temperatures of the North Sea. The average number of days with snow falling in Scotland ranges from 15 to 20 days, whereas on the peaks and mountains in the Highlands the average number of days with snow falling is about 100 days. From: Cliff. Johnston Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:55 PM To: Maisie Egger ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lanark] Fw: Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 105 Maisie, I've always wondered why they didn't do something inventive with the left-over, treated shale, i.e.: build a ski hill or modify a nearby mountain into a ski run ;-) Cliff. On Monday, October 6, 2014 10:13 PM, Maisie Egger via <[email protected]> wrote:

BECAUSE, Cliff, believe it or not, we don’t get a lot of snow in the Central Belt (compared with the Highland and North-East areas). Too much rain that would wash away the snow in a twinkling! The worst winter I remember with snow up to my knees practically was in 1947. My husband, from Long Island, N.Y., said that there was an equally cold winter there that year too. I gather that super cold years, as in 1963, don’t necessarily translate into snow. Not that I would attempt to think like a meteorologist, but I suppose snow falls would depend on how much moisture is in the air. That being so, Glasgow should be piled high with snow in the winter, but fortunately the climate is too temperate for that. Maisie Straight from the horse’s mouth on Google: Scottish Climate Scotland’s climate tends to be very changeable. It has much milder winters than areas on similar latitudes, such as southern Scandinavia and Moscow, but its summers tend to be cooler and wetter. Western Scotland is usually warmer than the east because of Atlantic Ocean currents and the colder surface temperatures of the North Sea. The average number of days with snow falling in Scotland ranges from 15 to 20 days, whereas on the peaks and mountains in the Highlands the average number of days with snow falling is about 100 days. From: Cliff. Johnston Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:55 PM To: Maisie Egger ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lanark] Fw: Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 105 Maisie, I've always wondered why they didn't do something inventive with the left-over, treated shale, i.e.: build a ski hill or modify a nearby mountain into a ski run ;-) Cliff. On Monday, October 6, 2014 10:13 PM, Maisie Egger via <[email protected]> wrote:

Maisie, I've always wondered why they didn't do something inventive with the left-over, treated shale, i.e.: build a ski hill or modify a nearby mountain into a ski run ;-) Cliff. On Monday, October 6, 2014 10:13 PM, Maisie Egger via <[email protected]> wrote: From: Maisie Egger Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 105 Cliff, Maybe that’s why there were so many shale bings, as well as the ones from coal leftovers and I’m not talking about charcoal left over from being processed at the gasworks. Trying to burn charcoal in the fireplace was a last resort as it gave off barely any heat, but during the war there were lines of people at the gasworks from all over the north end of Glasgow to get some charcoal. My brother and I took the garden wheelbarrow for our quota. I can’t remember if we paid for it. It’s odd to look back on those years when maybe one special person for blocks around had a telephone, It must have been word of mouth, therefore, that we heard that the gasworks was giving charcoal away that day and that the dairy had some eggs, and the fruiterer (yes...in England it would be referred to as the greengrocer) had in stock sweeties (candies) on which we would be only too happy to spend our hoarded sweet coupons. Back to the shale: I don’t know why years ago there wasn’t a solution to getting rid of the bings. When travelling east from Glasgow it was rather pleasant to see some of the roadways paved in repurposed red shale. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, at my old age I am sharing these memories of a time when probably not even your parents were born. I can only remember my grandparents on my mother’s side – Glasgow-born grandmother 1876-1954, and Edinburgh-born grandfather 1873-1941. Though born in Edinburgh, he actually grew up in Dalserf/Dalziel (var. sp.)/Motherwell, until he married my grandmother and moved to Glasgow. They were the ones who had upward mobility with the diamond rings, fur coats, fine china, etc., and did not end up their days in the Glasgow poorhouse as their forebears had. Maisie ----------------------------- From: Cliff. Johnston Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 105 One of the issues with oil shale is that after the rock (shale) has been treated and the oil removed there is a greater volume of shale left over than before the oil was extracted. On Monday, October 6, 2014 11:54 AM, Anne Burgess via <[email protected]> wrote: ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too would like to thank Ruth for sharing the Ancestor poem - I posted it on my Facebook page and everyone loves it and all my relatives from the Anderson 'clan' ???? all say they will or hope to visit Scotland one day and find our ancestor grave markers. I for one will read this poem out loud if I have the good fortune of finding our Great, great Grandfather Angus Anderson's relatives from Lanark.........thanks again Ruth!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 17:06:43 +1000 > From: Alastair <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Ancestor Poem > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear Ruth, > > My eternal thanks for the poem that you brought to us. > > God! How I wish I could have written that! > > It is precisely what is in my heart when I discover my ancestors' > wherever I may find them. > > Top marks Ruth. > > Alastair Macdonald > Brisbane, Australia. Ancestor Poem Your tombstone stands among the rest Neglected and aloneThe name and date are chiseled out On polished marble stone It reaches out to all who care It is too late to mourn You did not know that I exist You died and I was bornYet each of us are cells of you In flesh, in blood and bone Our blood contacts and beats a pulse Entirely not our own Dear Ancestor , the place you filled One hundred years ago Spreads out among the ones you left Who would have loved you soI wonder how you lived and loved I wonder if you knew That someday I would find this spot And come and visit you Author Unknown

HI, The first pages of this portion of the parish register are in poor condition, which isn't unusual for the first pages of a document of this age. Jim Bundy ? Alexr Waddell & Christ? B?rly both in ys par gave 1/10/0 John Chawly & Margt Buraly gave to the poor 1/10/0 A getd given to Marion Couper 1/5/0 & the rest put in the box 1706 (Au)gust ?2 Thomas Baillie of Polkemmet in the Paroch of Livingstone & Mrs Anna Cockburn Daughter to the deceased Patrick Cockburn of Bortwick gave to 2/18/2 David Marshall & Jean Manuell both in this par 1/10/0 David Mortoun in ys pa & Jenet Steill in the pa of Cambus? Poor 2/10/? 1707 Jan 20 Thoms ? pa ? in the pa ? Livingstone Febr 8 Thomas Gilkerson ? pa & Jean Smith ? pa of Cambusnethan gave ? 22 David ? Cristen ? gave in March 14 Given ? by Mr ? to William ? officer 29 ? Aprill 12 ? 1705 ?aw & Agnas ? both in ys pa 1/10/0 ? in the pa ? & Margrat ? in ys pa 9th he ? deeed To give to Marg ?tock 1/10/0 ?get halfe touns I have ? to David Russal late ? mester 9th Rott Scot to give him 1/8/0 (17)06 ?lachan ? Bothwell & ? Russall in ? 1/10/0 ? Scot pym the pa ? Munkton & Jenent ? in ys pa gave 1/10/0 Thomas Steill ? to give to ? 0/10/0 ? 0/6/8 ? 0/13/4 ? 2/18/0 ? the poor 27 William Symrall in ys pa & Jenet Marshall in ys pa gave to & May 4 John Clerk & Margrat Forsyth both in ths pa gave & 1/5/? 4 William Burnly in the pa of Livingstone & Elizabeth Lightbody in ys pa gave to the poor 8 John Chairly & Jenet Douns both in ys pa gave to the poor 1/10/? Of get half ?ouns Cash I gave to Mr Law to take to the presbrty burst 10 Andrew Galloway in the pa of Old Monckland & Jenet Fleming in this pa gave to the poor 9th Mr Law got 25 Andrew Buchannan and Elizabeth Douns both in ys pa gave June 1 Patrick Marshall & Cristen Story both in ys pa gave to the poor (1712) ? ? paroch ? yr Li? In the paroch ? gave 1/10/0 ? Gordon ane man ? dumb & deaf by order 2/16/0 ? to Alexd Muckell a traveler 0/6/0 Robt Guilmuir and Margt Hogg in ys paroch gave 1/10/0 William Robinson and Issobell Wilson both in ys paroch gave 1/10/0 Gave to James Flemming for meal that he gave to Agnas Marshall 0/17/6 ? ? glaves by order 1/6/0 1713 ? James Brown in the pa ? munckland and Agnas Thomson in ys par gave 1/10/0 ? Mr John Corbett ? and presbitry Jully 1 to Hugh ? a traveller ? Laws order ? 20 by order of the session to Arth Marshall 0/12/? 23 to Mr Law himself 4/0/? Ag 2 To Margt Byrdall a traveller by Mr laws order 0/6/0 Ag 6 Given to ane traveller whose name jane not, not ? & by Mr Laws order 10 Given to Mr ? himself ? Ag 15 Patrick Whitte in the pa of Bothy? And Agnas ? in ys par gave ? 18 ? Michaell ? and James John? Travelers by Mr La(ws) order?

Charcoal is made by partly combusting wood. Coke was one of the by-products of producing gas from coal. That is no longer necessary because most gas now used is natural gas. Coke was and I believe still is also made industrially to fuel iron smelters, because it burns hotter than fresh coal. > Back to the shale: I don't know why years ago there wasn't a > solution to getting rid of the bings. I doubt if anyone in those days regarded bings as something that ought to be got rid of. However in recent years many of the bings have been used for roadmaking. The spent shale loses the red colour over time and reverts to black. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3683801 and http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3683895 > Dalserf/Dalziel (var. sp.)/Motherwell Dalserf and Dalziel are two separate parishes. Dalserf is on the west bank of the River Clyde, surrounded by the parishes of Hamilton, Stonehouse, Lesmahagow, Carluke and Cambusnethan. Dalziel is next door to the parishes of Cambusnethan and Hamilton, but it has a very complicated boundary. So not only are Dalserf and Dalziel mutually exclusive, they are not even contiguous. The town of Motherwell is (mostly) in the parish of Dalziel. The best-known place in Dalserf is probably Larkhall. See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/parishes.shtml Anne

Thank you I didn't go into SP, I only checked out census info. Jenny -----Original Message----- From: C M Houston Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:34 PM To: Jennifer Myers ; edward paxton ; Lanark Rootsweb ; <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Death of John Mason between 1865 and 1871 - not foundon SP John's wife Catherine at Old Kilpatrick was a McCOLL not a Wylie. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thanks Judy, I passed on Des Garrity's info to Ailsa yesterday as he indexed all the LKS Poor Law at the Mitchell. Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Judy TOC via Subject: [Lanark] Poor Law Records Glasgow In the past I have used Des Garrity to search his indexes and find records for me in the archives. http://www.desgarrity.co.uk/ Judy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Correction: When there was no coal available we went to the gasworks for COKE, not charcoal! Maisie

From: Maisie Egger Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 105 Cliff, Maybe that’s why there were so many shale bings, as well as the ones from coal leftovers and I’m not talking about charcoal left over from being processed at the gasworks. Trying to burn charcoal in the fireplace was a last resort as it gave off barely any heat, but during the war there were lines of people at the gasworks from all over the north end of Glasgow to get some charcoal. My brother and I took the garden wheelbarrow for our quota. I can’t remember if we paid for it. It’s odd to look back on those years when maybe one special person for blocks around had a telephone, It must have been word of mouth, therefore, that we heard that the gasworks was giving charcoal away that day and that the dairy had some eggs, and the fruiterer (yes...in England it would be referred to as the greengrocer) had in stock sweeties (candies) on which we would be only too happy to spend our hoarded sweet coupons. Back to the shale: I don’t know why years ago there wasn’t a solution to getting rid of the bings. When travelling east from Glasgow it was rather pleasant to see some of the roadways paved in repurposed red shale. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, at my old age I am sharing these memories of a time when probably not even your parents were born. I can only remember my grandparents on my mother’s side – Glasgow-born grandmother 1876-1954, and Edinburgh-born grandfather 1873-1941. Though born in Edinburgh, he actually grew up in Dalserf/Dalziel (var. sp.)/Motherwell, until he married my grandmother and moved to Glasgow. They were the ones who had upward mobility with the diamond rings, fur coats, fine china, etc., and did not end up their days in the Glasgow poorhouse as their forebears had. Maisie ----------------------------- From: Cliff. Johnston Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 105 One of the issues with oil shale is that after the rock (shale) has been treated and the oil removed there is a greater volume of shale left over than before the oil was extracted. On Monday, October 6, 2014 11:54 AM, Anne Burgess via <[email protected]> wrote:

One of the issues with oil shale is that after the rock (shale) has been treated and the oil removed there is a greater volume of shale left over than before the oil was extracted. On Monday, October 6, 2014 11:54 AM, Anne Burgess via <[email protected]> wrote: > Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is the oil extracted from > shale years > ago the same as the current controversial fracking? Yes and no. Shale is a type of rock formed from muddy sediments deposited on the sea bed. The oil and gas were both formed by the decomposition of organic matter in the shale. So to that extent, the oil and the gas are similar. Oil was extracted by mining the shale, then heating it and condensing the vapour that was driven off by the heat. The spent shale, which is red in colour, was then dumped in bings. Fracking extracts gas rather than oil. This is gas that is trapped in pockets and holes inside the rock, usually shale, and it is exploited by shattering the rock so that the gas is no longer trapped, and then extracting it (not sure exactly how). No mining is involved, and no heating, and there are no spoil heaps or bings. Anne ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the past I have used Des Garrity to search his indexes and find records for me in the archives. http://www.desgarrity.co.uk/ Judy

Welcome back Jim, your efforts are appreciated by so many of us. Cheers, Billeye in Oz

> Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is the oil extracted from > shale years > ago the same as the current controversial fracking? Yes and no. Shale is a type of rock formed from muddy sediments deposited on the sea bed. The oil and gas were both formed by the decomposition of organic matter in the shale. So to that extent, the oil and the gas are similar. Oil was extracted by mining the shale, then heating it and condensing the vapour that was driven off by the heat. The spent shale, which is red in colour, was then dumped in bings. Fracking extracts gas rather than oil. This is gas that is trapped in pockets and holes inside the rock, usually shale, and it is exploited by shattering the rock so that the gas is no longer trapped, and then extracting it (not sure exactly how). No mining is involved, and no heating, and there are no spoil heaps or bings. Anne

Wonderful to see you back Jim Bundy! Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bundy via Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] FW: Shotts Parish Register 1707-1855 Note 94 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Dear Ruth, My eternal thanks for the poem that you brought to us. God! How I wish I could have written that! It is precisely what is in my heart when I discover my ancestors' wherever I may find them. Top marks Ruth. Alastair Macdonald Brisbane, Australia. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ On 4/10/2014 6:24 PM, ruth.enns via wrote: > I would like to share this with you, as I found it very poignant & used the > last 4 lines in my Family Scrap Book beside the head stone of the eldest > relative, I have found. > > > Ancestor Poem > Your tombstone stands among the rest > Neglected and alone > The name and date are chiseled out > On polished marble stone > It reaches out to all who care > It is too late to mourn > You did not know that I exist > You died and I was born > Yet each of us are cells of you > In flesh, in blood and bone > Our blood contacts and beats a pulse > Entirely not our own > Dear Ancestor , the place you filled > One hundred years ago > Spreads out among the ones you left > Who would have loved you so > I wonder if you if you lived and loved > I wonder if you knew > That someday I would find this spot > And come and visit you > > Author Unknown > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hear hear. On 10/06/2014 02:09 PM, Jennifer Myers via wrote: > Wonderful to see you back Jim Bundy! > > > Jenny > > ---