Thank you so much Jenny, you've been so very helpful. I realised that I had added too much information into the searches which is why I couldn't find the death of Helen Penman nee Drummond. She died in 1860 at Calton, her daughter Helen being present. I didn't know about the other children ie Helen D Penman c1846 with her death in 1846. Would have loved to have known what the "D" stood for. Died of smallpox. Also James Fleming Penman died 1844 but couldn't find a birth. I'm intrigued by these children's middle names; I would assume that they are family names ie James Fleming, Helen Baxter and Mary Gilbert. The two children who died, I found from their Deaths that they were buried in the Lair of William & Alexander (I think) Penman. Is there somewhere that I can follow up on this? Thank you again. Laurette --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I have a neighbour with the surname YEAMAN. I suspect this is the name you should be looking for. We live near Kinross which is only a few miles from Muckhart. Archie Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Harford via Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 5:21 PM To: Query Lanark ; Ken Harrison Subject: Re: [Lanark] Middle Names & the Naming Tradition I’ve been reading this exchange with great interest since I have one gguncle born in Muckhart in 1832 named James Yeman Strachan Kirk. I can buy the Strachan since it is I believe Scottish in origin but the Yeman absolutely boggles my mind. I’m hoping someday to find out where it comes from. Only one of his eight siblings and half-siblings has a middle name. This is a working class family. He came to Canada in 1852 and I don’t know if my grandfather, who emigrated here from Glasgow in 1906, even knew he existed though they lived within a 100 miles of one another. Got to love a family history puzzle. Wendy From: Ken Harrison via Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎06‎, ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎40‎ ‎AM To: Query Lanark According to discussions on this topic over the past couple of decades, on this List and others, my ancestors were unusual in that middle names were used as far back as the early 1700s. They were generally working class, either rural or urban. Although I have only a few scattered cases 300 years ago, the practice became more common by the mid 1800s, particularly in my cotton mill labourer Murray family in Thornliebank. Most (but not all) of these were girls. In most cases, I have found they were named after grandparents or other close relatives. Sometimes it took me a couple of decades to learn of those grandparents, and the names were the clue that kept me going. I found that usually (but not always) it was not just the middle name but rather the full name which was carried forward. For instance my grandmother's eldest sister, born 1861 in Thornliebank of an Irish-born mother, was named Elizabeth Graham Murray after her maternal grandmother, Elizabeth Graham, who died in Ireland before the family moved. My grandmother, born 1877 in Thornliebank, was named Margaret Sinclair Murray after her paternal grandmother, Margaret Sinclair, who was born in Braco. It took me almost 40 years to find this gr-gr-grandmother and it was only the name which finally made the connection. This same gggmother, Margaret Sinclair, herself had two middle names. She was Margaret Seymour Masterton Sinclair. I found that the Masterton family were well-to-do Jacobites around Alloa/Clackmannan and that one of their daughters was a Margaret Seymour Masterton born around 1795. My gggmother, born 1804, was clearly named after this 10 year old neighbour. Was this an attempt to curry favour with a more prominent family? Or were they related somehow? Other instances show that children were named after prominent neighbours, clergy, etc. I tried for years to find a connection to a lad born about 1840 in Orkney with the middle name Smellie (one of my family names) and eventually found in the church register that he was the first child baptized by the new minister, Andrew Smellie, and he was named after that unrelated minister. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeannette Walton via Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Middle Names & the Naming Tradition I'd like to make a comment on the middle names discussion. In my line from West Lothian and Lanark, from 1730 to 1900, I have 19 Peter Thorntons and a similar number of William Thorntons on my tree. Of the Peters, only 2 have middle names, those being surnames of their mother's family. Of the Williams, the are 4 with middle names. When I'm working on this Thornton line, I need to refer either to wives or mothers to see who belongs with whom. In some families, there are cousins born in the same year, and named after their grandfather, according to the naming tradition. The naming tradition makes research a little easier, but I'm so glad to reach the 20th century in this line, where there are middle names. Thanks, Jeannette ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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> I can buy the Strachan since it is I believe Scottish in > origin but the Yeman absolutely boggles my mind. I'm > hoping someday to find out where it comes from. Yeaman is a perfectly respectably Scottish surname, the equivalent of Yeoman in England, and with the same meaning. G F Black says that it appeared comparatively late in Scotland, the earliest references to it being in 1565 and 1592. It is commonest in the north-east of Scotland, from Angus to Moray. Anne

I’ve been reading this exchange with great interest since I have one gguncle born in Muckhart in 1832 named James Yeman Strachan Kirk. I can buy the Strachan since it is I believe Scottish in origin but the Yeman absolutely boggles my mind. I’m hoping someday to find out where it comes from. Only one of his eight siblings and half-siblings has a middle name. This is a working class family. He came to Canada in 1852 and I don’t know if my grandfather, who emigrated here from Glasgow in 1906, even knew he existed though they lived within a 100 miles of one another. Got to love a family history puzzle. Wendy From: Ken Harrison via Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎06‎, ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎40‎ ‎AM To: Query Lanark According to discussions on this topic over the past couple of decades, on this List and others, my ancestors were unusual in that middle names were used as far back as the early 1700s. They were generally working class, either rural or urban. Although I have only a few scattered cases 300 years ago, the practice became more common by the mid 1800s, particularly in my cotton mill labourer Murray family in Thornliebank. Most (but not all) of these were girls. In most cases, I have found they were named after grandparents or other close relatives. Sometimes it took me a couple of decades to learn of those grandparents, and the names were the clue that kept me going. I found that usually (but not always) it was not just the middle name but rather the full name which was carried forward. For instance my grandmother's eldest sister, born 1861 in Thornliebank of an Irish-born mother, was named Elizabeth Graham Murray after her maternal grandmother, Elizabeth Graham, who died in Ireland before the family moved. My grandmother, born 1877 in Thornliebank, was named Margaret Sinclair Murray after her paternal grandmother, Margaret Sinclair, who was born in Braco. It took me almost 40 years to find this gr-gr-grandmother and it was only the name which finally made the connection. This same gggmother, Margaret Sinclair, herself had two middle names. She was Margaret Seymour Masterton Sinclair. I found that the Masterton family were well-to-do Jacobites around Alloa/Clackmannan and that one of their daughters was a Margaret Seymour Masterton born around 1795. My gggmother, born 1804, was clearly named after this 10 year old neighbour. Was this an attempt to curry favour with a more prominent family? Or were they related somehow? Other instances show that children were named after prominent neighbours, clergy, etc. I tried for years to find a connection to a lad born about 1840 in Orkney with the middle name Smellie (one of my family names) and eventually found in the church register that he was the first child baptized by the new minister, Andrew Smellie, and he was named after that unrelated minister. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeannette Walton via Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Middle Names & the Naming Tradition I'd like to make a comment on the middle names discussion. In my line from West Lothian and Lanark, from 1730 to 1900, I have 19 Peter Thorntons and a similar number of William Thorntons on my tree. Of the Peters, only 2 have middle names, those being surnames of their mother's family. Of the Williams, the are 4 with middle names. When I'm working on this Thornton line, I need to refer either to wives or mothers to see who belongs with whom. In some families, there are cousins born in the same year, and named after their grandfather, according to the naming tradition. The naming tradition makes research a little easier, but I'm so glad to reach the 20th century in this line, where there are middle names. Thanks, Jeannette ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the Stewartry of Kirkcudbright, the given name Nicholas was more often used for a girl child. In the 1841 census about 85% of those with that name were female. Also in the Stewartry, Dumfries and Wigtownshire, they were more likely to give a female child a family surname for a given name. You will find many Stewart, McKenzie, Graham, etc. all used for girls. Only occasionally would a boy child have such a name. Jo-Ann On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Maisie Egger via <[email protected]> wrote: > On names in general. I have one on my FTM list, a woman, whose name is > Hamilton Malcolmson, b. 1838, m. William Ireland, Kirkcudbright. Now I am > beginning to wonder if I have entered the wrong name. Another was Nicholas > Montgomery, also Kirkcudbrightshire, though some listers have indicated > that this forename was common enough for a female in times past > >

Subject: Middle Names! I have a real puzzler: BRADBURY!!!!!!!!!! 1. John BRADBURY McKenzie b 1853 04 Aug. Glasgow d 1950, Wandsworth, England Mother: Agnes McFadzean McKenzie registered his birth: 19 Aug. 1854 Glasgow Witnesses Alexander McWhinnie & Hugh Girvan Father: Matthew McKenzie 2. Matthew BRADBURY McKenzie, son b 29 June 1877 b Glasgow d Wands worth , Surrey 1964 3. Kenneth Douglas BRADBURY McKenzie son, b 29 June 1907 Bloemfontein, Africa. d 1992 QLD 4. Douglas Kenneth BRADBURY McKenzie son, b 06 May 1937, Townsville, QLD d 2005 Townsville, QLD 5. Peter Lesley BRADBURY McKenzie son, b 1962, Townsville. QLd 6. William BRADBURY McKenzie son b 16 Apr 1992 , Townsville Robert BRADBURY McKenzie b 16 Apr 1992, Townsville TWINS ................................... 7. Quentin BRADBURY McKenzie b 1927 Tasmania F: Thomas McKenzie b Glasgow & Sarah Ann Crabtree b Tasmania. Had shop, sold flour under the name BRADBURY!!!! And NO ONE knows where the name came from!!!!!

Laurette, All of the following are available to download from ScotlandsPeople.....there is a choice of 2 deaths for Helen PENMAN, maybe it is both mother and daughter. I didn't check for a birth/bapt of James Fleming Penman elsewhere. Prior to 1855 you will only have a Parish Record, 1855+ it will be a Statutory registration. You should be able to find the families or part thereof in the 1841, 51, 61 census. OPR - Birth/Bapt 27/02/1846 PENMAN HELEN WILLIAM PENMAN/HELEN DRUMMOND FR5847 (FR5847) F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0370 0451 OPR - Death/Burial 24/07/1846 PENMAN HELEN D WILLM PENMAN F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0560 0284 ============ OPR - Birth/Bapt 17/09/1847 PENMAN HELEN BAXTER WILLIAM PENMAN/HELEN DRUMMOND FR5977 (FR5977) F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0380 0129 OPR - Birth/Bapt 20/11/1849 PENMAN MARY GILBERT WILLIAM PENMAN/HELEN DRUMMOND FR6123 (FR6123) F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0380 0417 ================ SI Deaths 1860 PENMAN HELEN F CALTON (GLASGOW) GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/04 0658 1862 PENMAN HELEN F SPRINGBURN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 622/02 0191 ================== OPR - Death/Burial 19/12/1844 PENMAN JAMES FLEMING WILLIAM PENMAN M GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0560 0216 19/08/1852 PENMAN WM ----- M GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0580 0076 Hope this helps, Jenny On beautiful Lake Macquarie NSW -----Original Message----- From: L Gerholt via Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:48 AM To: Lanarkshire Mailing List Subject: [Lanark] Helen Penman c1812 nee Drummond I've been searching for the death of Helen Drummond for quite some time now, without any luck. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

On names in general. I have one on my FTM list, a woman, whose name is Hamilton Malcolmson, b. 1838, m. William Ireland, Kirkcudbright. Now I am beginning to wonder if I have entered the wrong name. Another was Nicholas Montgomery, also Kirkcudbrightshire, though some listers have indicated that this forename was common enough for a female in times past The parents of my nine great-grandchildren have given some of their children ‘unconventional’ first names, with three (males) given surnames as a middle name. The girls, however, have ‘conventional’ forenames as middle names ---Maisie (!), Marie, Grace, Rose, June, then one boy, James. There are then Marshall, Campbell and Clint as middle surnames for the other boys. As noted, all have middle names one way or the other. Maisie

I've been searching for the death of Helen Drummond for quite some time now, without any luck. She was born in Crieff, Perthshire on 2 Mar 1812 (have certificate) to parents James Drummond and Ann Carmichael. Helen married William Penman in Glasgow on 12 Nov 1843. William died in Glasgow on 21 Aug 1852. They had two children, Helen Baxter Penman c1847 and Mary Gilbert Penman c1849. Helen applied for Poor Relief in 1852 "when she remained on the funds up to 23 Dec 1856 when she got a line of admission to Poorhouse, she having only one child to support. 6 March 1860 she applies again in ill health, confined to bed. See Dr McCarron." There was no report from Dr McCarron. I might point out that I have a copy of the Application for Poor Relief. I think I found her on the 1861 Census living in a sunk flat at 47 Oswald Street, Glasgow. Her age was given as 45yo and it was stated she was born in Glasgow, so it may not be her. I've looked into the deaths on Scotlands People, and also marriages, but cannot find any trace of her. Is there anywhere else I can look please? Any advice greatly appreciated. Laurette New South Wales Australia

I'd like to make a comment on the middle names discussion. In my line from West Lothian and Lanark, from 1730 to 1900, I have 19 Peter Thorntons and a similar number of William Thorntons on my tree. Of the Peters, only 2 have middle names, those being surnames of their mother's family. Of the Williams, the are 4 with middle names. When I'm working on this Thornton line, I need to refer either to wives or mothers to see who belongs with whom. In some families, there are cousins born in the same year, and named after their grandfather, according to the naming tradition. The naming tradition makes research a little easier, but I'm so glad to reach the 20th century in this line, where there are middle names. Thanks, Jeannette

According to discussions on this topic over the past couple of decades, on this List and others, my ancestors were unusual in that middle names were used as far back as the early 1700s. They were generally working class, either rural or urban. Although I have only a few scattered cases 300 years ago, the practice became more common by the mid 1800s, particularly in my cotton mill labourer Murray family in Thornliebank. Most (but not all) of these were girls. In most cases, I have found they were named after grandparents or other close relatives. Sometimes it took me a couple of decades to learn of those grandparents, and the names were the clue that kept me going. I found that usually (but not always) it was not just the middle name but rather the full name which was carried forward. For instance my grandmother's eldest sister, born 1861 in Thornliebank of an Irish-born mother, was named Elizabeth Graham Murray after her maternal grandmother, Elizabeth Graham, who died in Ireland before the family moved. My grandmother, born 1877 in Thornliebank, was named Margaret Sinclair Murray after her paternal grandmother, Margaret Sinclair, who was born in Braco. It took me almost 40 years to find this gr-gr-grandmother and it was only the name which finally made the connection. This same gggmother, Margaret Sinclair, herself had two middle names. She was Margaret Seymour Masterton Sinclair. I found that the Masterton family were well-to-do Jacobites around Alloa/Clackmannan and that one of their daughters was a Margaret Seymour Masterton born around 1795. My gggmother, born 1804, was clearly named after this 10 year old neighbour. Was this an attempt to curry favour with a more prominent family? Or were they related somehow? Other instances show that children were named after prominent neighbours, clergy, etc. I tried for years to find a connection to a lad born about 1840 in Orkney with the middle name Smellie (one of my family names) and eventually found in the church register that he was the first child baptized by the new minister, Andrew Smellie, and he was named after that unrelated minister. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeannette Walton via Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Middle Names & the Naming Tradition I'd like to make a comment on the middle names discussion. In my line from West Lothian and Lanark, from 1730 to 1900, I have 19 Peter Thorntons and a similar number of William Thorntons on my tree. Of the Peters, only 2 have middle names, those being surnames of their mother's family. Of the Williams, the are 4 with middle names. When I'm working on this Thornton line, I need to refer either to wives or mothers to see who belongs with whom. In some families, there are cousins born in the same year, and named after their grandfather, according to the naming tradition. The naming tradition makes research a little easier, but I'm so glad to reach the 20th century in this line, where there are middle names. Thanks, Jeannette

It wasn't just the middle name, it was the combination of first name and second name, so the person she was named after was Catherine Henderson, who may be a single or married woman and may be a relative or a close friend or a patron My ancestors surname SKEAD had 18 children all with names such as that-, two were named for witnesses at the wedding eg Catherine SWEENY and James CURD, so the children were called James Curd Skead and Catherine Sweeny SKEAD. One was after the ship's captain George HOPE, so George Hope SKEAD..... I eventually worked out 17 of them except my direct ancestor Henry Price SKEAD, he was no 17 - so by then it might have been for the local doctor or some such. They must have kept him very busy Marg -----Original Message----- From: Shirlee Cantwell via Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Middle names My great great grandmother Agnes and her older brother Robert both were given a middle name of Adam while the youngest sister Catherine was given a middle name of Henderson. I have no idea where the names come from. Their parents were Thomas RUSSELL b Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Marion CARRICK b Glasgow, Lanark. The remaining 6 children had just one name. My sisters and I were not given middle names and my twin daughters weren't given middle names either but everyone else in my family all have middle names. My mother chose names no-one in the family were given as she did not want any argument with her mother in law. Shirlee Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Middle names > My sister, born in the mid-1920s, was named Catherine McDougall Anderson > Brown after my mother's mother. I have just one surname, my mother's, as > a > middle name. We were just ordinary 'Joe-Blows' from equally ordinary Joe > Blows back to the beginning of time! Some of my grandma's forebears had > middle 'Christian' names, but quite a few did not. On my father's > 'Doonhamer' side more had middle names than on my mother's Scottish - > Irish > lot. > > Maisie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Struthers via > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Middle names > > On 30/12/2014 10:15, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) via wrote: >> Morning all, >> Until after WWII it was relatively rare for working class families to >> give >> children more than one Christian name. Middle names tended to be the >> preserve of the landed/middle class. Obviously there are exceptions to >> all >> general rules. Middle names were often adopted where there was an >> unmarried great aunt or uncle with something worth inheriting, e.g. a >> croft or a healthy Coop insurance and parents would name a child after >> the >> said great aunt or uncle and indeed often invite her/him to be >> godparent/sponsor of said child in the hope it would lead to the >> inheritance! >> Happy New Year when it comes >> Mark >> > > I have found that it's quite normal for women to have middle names > (usually that of their maternal grandmother), and rare for men. One of > my predecessors has the name 'Balfour' shoe-horned in as a middle name, > for reasons that escape me (pre-dates both PM 1st Earlof Balfour and > David Balfour of 'Kidnapped' fame). > > Regards, > > Robert Struthers > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. 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My great great grandmother Agnes and her older brother Robert both were given a middle name of Adam while the youngest sister Catherine was given a middle name of Henderson. I have no idea where the names come from. Their parents were Thomas RUSSELL b Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Marion CARRICK b Glasgow, Lanark. The remaining 6 children had just one name. My sisters and I were not given middle names and my twin daughters weren't given middle names either but everyone else in my family all have middle names. My mother chose names no-one in the family were given as she did not want any argument with her mother in law. Shirlee Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Middle names > My sister, born in the mid-1920s, was named Catherine McDougall Anderson > Brown after my mother's mother. I have just one surname, my mother's, as > a > middle name. We were just ordinary 'Joe-Blows' from equally ordinary Joe > Blows back to the beginning of time! Some of my grandma's forebears had > middle 'Christian' names, but quite a few did not. On my father's > 'Doonhamer' side more had middle names than on my mother's Scottish - > Irish > lot. > > Maisie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Struthers via > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Middle names > > On 30/12/2014 10:15, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) via wrote: >> Morning all, >> Until after WWII it was relatively rare for working class families to >> give >> children more than one Christian name. Middle names tended to be the >> preserve of the landed/middle class. Obviously there are exceptions to >> all >> general rules. Middle names were often adopted where there was an >> unmarried great aunt or uncle with something worth inheriting, e.g. a >> croft or a healthy Coop insurance and parents would name a child after >> the >> said great aunt or uncle and indeed often invite her/him to be >> godparent/sponsor of said child in the hope it would lead to the >> inheritance! >> Happy New Year when it comes >> Mark >> > > I have found that it's quite normal for women to have middle names > (usually that of their maternal grandmother), and rare for men. One of > my predecessors has the name 'Balfour' shoe-horned in as a middle name, > for reasons that escape me (pre-dates both PM 1st Earlof Balfour and > David Balfour of 'Kidnapped' fame). > > Regards, > > Robert Struthers > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

> I am trying to help a friend find a death notice for a > relative whot lived in this area. The death occurred in the > last > 2 weeks.Thanks Margaret Ontario Have you tried http://www.iannounce.co.uk/ ? Anne

I am trying to help a friend find a death notice for a relative whot lived in this area. The death occurred in the last 2 weeks.Thanks Margaret Ontario

On 30/12/2014 10:15, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) via wrote: > Morning all, > Until after WWII it was relatively rare for working class families to give children more than one Christian name. Middle names tended to be the preserve of the landed/middle class. Obviously there are exceptions to all general rules. Middle names were often adopted where there was an unmarried great aunt or uncle with something worth inheriting, e.g. a croft or a healthy Coop insurance and parents would name a child after the said great aunt or uncle and indeed often invite her/him to be godparent/sponsor of said child in the hope it would lead to the inheritance! > Happy New Year when it comes > Mark > I have found that it's quite normal for women to have middle names (usually that of their maternal grandmother), and rare for men. One of my predecessors has the name 'Balfour' shoe-horned in as a middle name, for reasons that escape me (pre-dates both PM 1st Earlof Balfour and David Balfour of 'Kidnapped' fame). Regards, Robert Struthers --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

My sister, born in the mid-1920s, was named Catherine McDougall Anderson Brown after my mother's mother. I have just one surname, my mother's, as a middle name. We were just ordinary 'Joe-Blows' from equally ordinary Joe Blows back to the beginning of time! Some of my grandma's forebears had middle 'Christian' names, but quite a few did not. On my father's 'Doonhamer' side more had middle names than on my mother's Scottish - Irish lot. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Robert Struthers via Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Middle names On 30/12/2014 10:15, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) via wrote: > Morning all, > Until after WWII it was relatively rare for working class families to give > children more than one Christian name. Middle names tended to be the > preserve of the landed/middle class. Obviously there are exceptions to all > general rules. Middle names were often adopted where there was an > unmarried great aunt or uncle with something worth inheriting, e.g. a > croft or a healthy Coop insurance and parents would name a child after the > said great aunt or uncle and indeed often invite her/him to be > godparent/sponsor of said child in the hope it would lead to the > inheritance! > Happy New Year when it comes > Mark > I have found that it's quite normal for women to have middle names (usually that of their maternal grandmother), and rare for men. One of my predecessors has the name 'Balfour' shoe-horned in as a middle name, for reasons that escape me (pre-dates both PM 1st Earlof Balfour and David Balfour of 'Kidnapped' fame). Regards, Robert Struthers --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lorraine, Jim's statement - "If you have something to say to the list, do so." This means - "If you have Lanarkshire related people, post the details you either have or you are wanting help and advice finding them! Happy New Year, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Lorraine Standfield via Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 12:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Trial I was asked to do so after contacting admin. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 2 January 2015 2:17 AM To: 'Lorraine Standfield' Subject: RE: [Lanark] Trial I do not understand the need for a "trial" email. If you have something to say to the list, do so. Otherwise please do not clutter our mailboxes and the archives with useless mails. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I am sorry this made it way to the list. It was sent privately since it was totally Off Topic but it found its way here anyway. My apologies to you all. Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Myers via Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 5:32 PM To: Lorraine Standfield; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Trial Lorraine, Jim's statement - "If you have something to say to the list, do so." This means - "If you have Lanarkshire related people, post the details you either have or you are wanting help and advice finding them! Happy New Year, Jenny

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