Do I remember! Of course, being the 'office type,' such 'patter' would never have crossed my lips. Another expression at the jiggin' (public dancing) was for the male to ask a prospective dancing partner, "Ur ye dancin'?' with the rejoinder, "Ur ye askin'?" If the couple hit it off, the male would then ask , "Can I gie ye a lumber?" This to mean, can I escort you home. If the 'asker' lived too far away, he'd escort his dancing partner to the tram or bus stop and progress from there, or not. Many a time, when the last bus ran at 11:00 p.m., I'd take the tramcar to Springburn then hoof it up the hill to Balornock with my 'lumber.' This seemed to discourage some 'asker,' as it meant having to catch fewer buses that ran on the hour after midnight. John Duncan, who contributed so much on this site to places and descriptions, described Glasgow as being built on drumlins, hence it was a bit of a hike up from Springburn to where I lived in Balornock, N.E. Glasgow: :::Glasgow is built on a moderately hilly landscape formed by marine deposits and some 180 drumlins, most of which are north of the Clyde with their higher sides to the north west and their 'tails' to the south-east. Its geology also includes large amounts of coal and iron ore though today the total area is primarily developed for urban use (77%) with little than 15% occupying open countryside, the smallest proportion of the 32 councils areas. Glasgow's climate, like much of the west of Scotland, is usually cloudier, slightly warmer and much wetter than the rest of Scotland. The city was extended several times to take in nearby villages and neighbourhoods. The main additions were in 1846 when Anderston, Bridgeton, Calton, Gorbals, Kelvingrove and Woodside were added to the city, in 1891 when Govanhill, Hillhead, Kelvinside, Maryhill and Pollokshields were included and in 1912 when Cathcart, Govan, Partick and Pollokshaws entered the city boundaries. Post-World War Two planning initiatives involved the creation of numerous council-owned high-rise flats on the city's outskirts, the renewal of city-centre housing and the Glasgow Overspill plan which moved several hundred thousand people to nearby New Towns, such as East Kilbride, Cumbernauld and Irvine.::: Maisie "Ah'm no' dancin' ony mair (pronounced merr) so don’t bother yer ginger askin' me!" -----Original Message----- From: Ken Mathieson via Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 12:46 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Scottish Word for Today 12.3.2015: Expressions Hi All, 'I amn't' may not be a unique Glasgow usage, but 'ahmurnae' surely is - as in the expression "ur ye gaun ra jiggin'?" - "Nawahmurnae!" Ken On 04/12/2015 20:14, Maisie Egger via wrote: > Just goes to show how insular one can be. > > The use of 'I amn't' is obviously a 'universal truth' throughout the U.K., > but totally unused, shall we say, on the other side of the Atlantic. I > have > never of the use of 'I amn't' even by 'hillbillies' who reputedly have > retained many older words and expression from the U.K., but which are no > longer used by the general population. 'I ain't' seems to cover all, and > is > used as emphasis by some standard English users. > > Thanks for broadening my 'education,' Nivard. > > Maisie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington via > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 11:45 AM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Scottish Word for Today 12.3.2015: Expressions > > Hi Maisie > > Not wishing to burst any bubbles but I wouldn't say amn't is specific to > Glasgow or even Scotland > > I am from Leicestershire in the Midlands and have used it all my life as > have friends and acquaintances > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 04/12/2015 19:24, Maisie Egger via wrote: >> Jose, your comment on using 'I amn't' brought back memories of when I >> took >> a class in English something or other at university. The instructor was >> a >> gentleman from the Middle East. I think I took the pins out from under >> him >> when I noted that 'I amn't' was a very common contraction in Scotland for >> 'I >> am not'. I supposed he figured he knew all that there was to know in >> contractions of the English language. >> >> Being a somewhat insulated Glaswegian, I thought 'I amn't' was >> particular >> to the No Mean City. We were definitely 'bilingual' in the use of the >> English language, such as "Gie's a dod o' paper!" Even within the >> context >> of Glesga patter, a dod of paper was not quite correct as dod more or >> less >> meant a lump of something; a sheet of paper could not be a dod...but we >> all >> knew what we meant, even the 'office types!' All in the nuance, I >> suppose. >> >> Apropos little: I once saw a movie where the spy had English down pat, >> but >> what tipped off his adversaries was how he used his knife and fork! >> >> Maisie > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. 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Just goes to show how insular one can be. The use of 'I amn't' is obviously a 'universal truth' throughout the U.K., but totally unused, shall we say, on the other side of the Atlantic. I have never of the use of 'I amn't' even by 'hillbillies' who reputedly have retained many older words and expression from the U.K., but which are no longer used by the general population. 'I ain't' seems to cover all, and is used as emphasis by some standard English users. Thanks for broadening my 'education,' Nivard. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 11:45 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Scottish Word for Today 12.3.2015: Expressions Hi Maisie Not wishing to burst any bubbles but I wouldn't say amn't is specific to Glasgow or even Scotland I am from Leicestershire in the Midlands and have used it all my life as have friends and acquaintances Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/12/2015 19:24, Maisie Egger via wrote: > Jose, your comment on using 'I amn't' brought back memories of when I > took > a class in English something or other at university. The instructor was a > gentleman from the Middle East. I think I took the pins out from under him > when I noted that 'I amn't' was a very common contraction in Scotland for > 'I > am not'. I supposed he figured he knew all that there was to know in > contractions of the English language. > > Being a somewhat insulated Glaswegian, I thought 'I amn't' was particular > to the No Mean City. We were definitely 'bilingual' in the use of the > English language, such as "Gie's a dod o' paper!" Even within the context > of Glesga patter, a dod of paper was not quite correct as dod more or less > meant a lump of something; a sheet of paper could not be a dod...but we > all > knew what we meant, even the 'office types!' All in the nuance, I > suppose. > > Apropos little: I once saw a movie where the spy had English down pat, > but > what tipped off his adversaries was how he used his knife and fork! > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jeannette You might find this website of interest: http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/scots/page-3 Cheers, Linda -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeannette Walton via Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:14 AM To: Olwyn Whitehouse; Maisie Egger via Subject: Re: [Lanark] Is there any sign of Robert Pollock SMITH b. 1833 with a wife in Scotland? Or marrying again. Please tell me if there is more information about the gold rush in N.Z. Was that the main reason for some of our Scots to go there? Thank you, Jeannette On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Olwyn Whitehouse via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > R.P. Smith comes out to NZ in c.1861 for the gold rush. > Marriage in Christchurch, N,Z. > SMITH, Robert Pollock to BURLEY, Elizabeth > Date - 25 Nov 1864 - a Friday > Place - at the Manse > Age - 30:29 - suggests yob 1834:1835 > Status - Bachelor: Spinster > Occupation - Engineer : Domestic > > He arrives back in NZ c. 1875. > Marries (don't where or when) and his next wife is MRS R. P. SMITH. (Janet > Smith nee WARDS) who died in Feb. 1913 aged 73) [Her father was Thomas > Wards of Sanday, Scotland] > > Thanks. > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jose, your comment on using 'I amn't' brought back memories of when I took a class in English something or other at university. The instructor was a gentleman from the Middle East. I think I took the pins out from under him when I noted that 'I amn't' was a very common contraction in Scotland for 'I am not'. I supposed he figured he knew all that there was to know in contractions of the English language. Being a somewhat insulated Glaswegian, I thought 'I amn't' was particular to the No Mean City. We were definitely 'bilingual' in the use of the English language, such as "Gie's a dod o' paper!" Even within the context of Glesga patter, a dod of paper was not quite correct as dod more or less meant a lump of something; a sheet of paper could not be a dod...but we all knew what we meant, even the 'office types!' All in the nuance, I suppose. Apropos little: I once saw a movie where the spy had English down pat, but what tipped off his adversaries was how he used his knife and fork! Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Jose Jones Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 6:52 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scottish Word for Today 12.3.2015: Expressions Thank you for yet another gem, Maisie. I have long lived south of the border, and although I too come from newton Stewart, I’m not really aware of the word reversal thing. However, when we abbreviated "I am not” we would say “I amn’t” instead of the English “I’m not”. I still say this and it’s probably the main part of my speech that betrays my origins. Jose > On 2 Dec 2015, at 22:10, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Scottish Word for Today > December 3, 2015 > > > Expressions: > > A friend who hails from Newton Stewart, Wigtownshire, sometimes changes > the word order around in a sentence, as an example: “Weeks they have been > there.” > > Some areas in this part of Southwest Scotland were once (Irish) Gaelic > speaking. As there was a lot of traffic between Ireland and Scotland, one > wonders if the English speech pattern was influenced by Scottish Gaelic, > Erse, or if this is just regional. (Take note, Glaswegians, Erse is > herein used with a capital E, and is not in reference to one’s bahoochey!) > > In Glasgow, word order was also changed around as in “What like is it?” > Again, as Glasgow, during and after the Irish famine in the mid-1800s, was > inundated with thousands of Irish ‘refugees,’ bringing their own manner of > speech and Erse, it is a question of who influenced whom in sentence > structure with words sometimes used backside foremost. Personally, I was > somewhat taken aback when I came to this side of the world and was > questioned/corrected as to why I would ask, “What like is it?” instead of > “What’s it like?” > > Another difference in word order is the expression “Ye’re a lang time > deid. ” which would be more likely expressed elsewhere as “You‘re dead a > long time.” in Standard English. It’s not quite the same as the Scottish > version which is a caution to get on with whatever you are doing now for > there’s no time left. > > Note: More on rammy from Lanark lister cmchouston: tramash (stramash) > and stooshie. > > Maisie

Hi Jeannette This site may also be of interest. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Cheers Susan -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda via Sent: Friday, 4 December 2015 8:56 AM To: 'Jeannette Walton' <jtwalton13@gmail.com>; lanark@rootsweb.com; 'Olwyn Whitehouse' <olwynbw@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Is there any sign of Robert Pollock SMITH b. 1833 with a wife in Scotland? Or marrying again. Hi Jeannette You might find this website of interest: http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/scots/page-3 Cheers, Linda -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeannette Walton via Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:14 AM To: Olwyn Whitehouse; Maisie Egger via Subject: Re: [Lanark] Is there any sign of Robert Pollock SMITH b. 1833 with a wife in Scotland? Or marrying again. Please tell me if there is more information about the gold rush in N.Z. Was that the main reason for some of our Scots to go there? Thank you, Jeannette On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Olwyn Whitehouse via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > R.P. Smith comes out to NZ in c.1861 for the gold rush. > Marriage in Christchurch, N,Z. > SMITH, Robert Pollock to BURLEY, Elizabeth Date - 25 Nov 1864 - a > Friday Place - at the Manse Age - 30:29 - suggests yob 1834:1835 > Status - Bachelor: Spinster Occupation - Engineer : Domestic > > He arrives back in NZ c. 1875. > Marries (don't where or when) and his next wife is MRS R. P. SMITH. (Janet > Smith nee WARDS) who died in Feb. 1913 aged 73) [Her father was Thomas > Wards of Sanday, Scotland] > > Thanks. > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click > on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please tell me if there is more information about the gold rush in N.Z. Was that the main reason for some of our Scots to go there? Thank you, Jeannette On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Olwyn Whitehouse via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > R.P. Smith comes out to NZ in c.1861 for the gold rush. > Marriage in Christchurch, N,Z. > SMITH, Robert Pollock to BURLEY, Elizabeth > Date – 25 Nov 1864 - a Friday > Place – at the Manse > Age – 30:29 - suggests yob 1834:1835 > Status - Bachelor: Spinster > Occupation – Engineer : Domestic > > He arrives back in NZ c. 1875. > Marries (don't where or when) and his next wife is MRS R. P. SMITH. (Janet > Smith nee WARDS) who died in Feb. 1913 aged 73) [Her father was Thomas > Wards of Sanday, Scotland] > > Thanks. > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for all the transcription regarding New Zealand. I'm still looking for my FORRESTS from Hamilton area, Lanarkshire. Family story tells me that Alexander Forrest arrived N.Z. about 1864, sent for his wife and family of nine to join him. When they arrived at the docks and saw the ship that would take them, some of the older ones said "no way" and stayed in Scotland. I am descended from the only son of that family who stayed. All others have history in the Otago and Oamaru areas. Love the Lanark list. Jeannette

R.P. Smith comes out to NZ in c.1861 for the gold rush. Marriage in Christchurch, N,Z. SMITH, Robert Pollock to BURLEY, Elizabeth Date – 25 Nov 1864 - a Friday Place – at the Manse Age – 30:29 - suggests yob 1834:1835 Status - Bachelor: Spinster Occupation – Engineer : Domestic He arrives back in NZ c. 1875. Marries (don't where or when) and his next wife is MRS R. P. SMITH. (Janet Smith nee WARDS) who died in Feb. 1913 aged 73) [Her father was Thomas Wards of Sanday, Scotland] Thanks.

Thanks for the interesting list, Olwyn. Some of my own family are there: Otago Daily Times, 20 April 1911, Page 6 MARRIAGE. JOHNSTON- YOUNG.- On April 13th, at Trinity Church, Timaru, by the Rev. Thos. Stinson, B.A., Robert Aitken, eldest son of John Johnston, Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Muriel Dempster, oldest daughter of T. D. Young, Timaru. All the Best, John Johnston

Off my favourite the South Canterbury site. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/ Timaru Herald January 1870 MARRIAGE; January 17, at the Presbyterian Church, Timaru, by the Rev. G. Barclay, Robert, eldest son of Mr. Robert Bowie GARTSHERRIE, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Julie, third daughter of the late Mr. W. JOHNSON, Plimlico, Belgravia, London. Timaru Herald June 1886 MARRIAGE: YOUNG - DONALDSON. On June 1st, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. J. Elmslie, Alexander, eldest son of James Young, of St. Andrews, to Elizabeth, third daughter of Thomas Donaldson, Christchurch, both late of Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Timaru Herald May 1882 MARRIAGE: EDMISTON - MACHIN. On the 15th May, at the house of the bride's father, by the Rev. T.B. Hallowes, Hugh Fleming Edmiston, second son of the late H.F. Edmiston, of Bossfield East, Killbride, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Clara, third daughter of Thomas Machin, architect, Timaru. Timaru Herald Jan. 32st 1884 MARRIAGE: RICHARDSON. On the 11th January, at Timaru, the wife of Edward Richardson, of a daughter. Only daughter of G. D. Lockhart, youngest son of Robert Lockhart, Esq., of Castle Hill, Camnethau House, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Home papers please copy. Star 22 January 1884, Page 2. Edward George Kerr, Newspaper Proprietor. b. 1845, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Married in 1861 daughter of S. Goldthorpe, Cheshire. North Otago Times, 20 August 1892, Page 3 Death of MR JAMES HENDERSON Another old identity, ripe in years, and respected by all, passed away yesterday morning at the age of 78. Mr James Henderson came to Port Chalmers 18 years ago in the Wild Deer, and has resided in this district ever since. He was a native of Bridge of Allan, Stirlingshire, and previous to coming to this colony was well known in the parishes of Carnwath and Lesmnhagow, Lanarkshire, where he resided for many years. He has enriched the colony by the fact that eleven sons and daughters are settled in New Zealand, and their offspring and their children's offspring add considerably to our industrious population. His grand-children alone number nearly 80, and the tree has therefore borne many branches. Nine of his children are settled in this district, and are well known, one resides in Timaru, and another (Mr David Henderson) is settled in the North Island. The funeral will leave his late residence, Coquet street, to-morrow, for the Oamaru Cemetery. Timaru Herald, 30 December 1920, Page 7 OBITUARY. MR JAMES YOUNG. Full of years and after a long and useful life, the late Mr James Young, well known in the early days as a storekeeper at St. Andrews, passed to his rest on Sunday last at the residence of his eldest daughter, Nurse Lawrie, Elizabeth Street, Timaru. The deceased was born in 1834, in Haddingtonshire, East Lothian, Scotland. He learned the trade of a black; smith at Home, and came to New Zealand in the ship Cartsburn in 1874, landing at Port Chalmers, where he found his first employment in this country. From Port Chalmers he came to Timaru, where he worked for a few years, and in 1878 he set up in business as a blacksmith at St. Andrews. He carried on this business till 1887, when he sold it to one of his sons, and in partnership with another son went into the grocery business at St. Andrews, the firm being known as J. Young and Son, general storekeepers. When Mr Young first went to St. Andrews the township consisted of a small public, house and the stationmaster's residence, Mr Young, who had been living retired for many years, was married in 1858 to Miss Strain, of Lanarkshire, Scotland. His wife died in 1897. Mr and Mrs Young are survived by four sons and four daughters, twenty grandchildren, and six great-grandchildren. Cyclopedia of New Zealand, Canterbury edition. Part 4. pages 898-899. Published 1903 Gapes Valley. WELLS, Richard Perry, farmer, "Greendale Farm," Gapes' Valley, Mr. Wells was borne in Blantyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland, in 1841, and being trained to farming pursuits, from the time he was nine years old he worked for himself. His father Joshua Wells, paymaster-sergeant, served in the 27th Regiment of the line at Waterloo, and his brother, Sergeant John Wells, of the Royal Artillery, served through the Crimean War and the Indian Mutiny. Mr. R.P. Wells landed at Lyttelton in the ship "Lancashire Witch." in 1863, under the engagement to Mr. James Lockhead, being accompanied by his brother, the late William Wells. He reached Christchurch with only ten shillings in his pocket... Reference: Cyclopedia of New Zealand, Canterbury edition. Part 4. pages 954-959. Published 1903 Fairlie Councillor Richard IRVING was born in Lanarkshire, Scotland, in 1837. He was brought up to farming, and in 1867 came to New Zealand under engagement to the Levels Land Company, for whom he brought out a valuable stallion, "Iveno." After a time Mr Irving was appointed manager of the farming department, and held the position for fifteen years, when he bought 309 acres of the Levels estate at Albury. He has since increased his holding to 1775 acres, known as "Brown Hill." In 1899 he took a pleasure trip of seven months to England, and brought to New Zealand a number of very valuable draught stallions, two of which, "Sandy Erskine" and "Agitator." have been champions ever since coming to the colony. Mr Irving also owns the stud draught horses "Reformer" and "Brown Hill." and has acted as a judge of draught horses at nearly all the agricultural shows throughout Canterbury. He has been a member of the Timaru Agricultural Show Committee for twenty years, a director of the Albury Saleyards Company since its foundation, has served for twelve years on the local school committee, and been a member of the Mackenzie County Council since 1902. Mr Irving married in 1887 to a daughter of the late Mr. Samuel Young, of Lanarkshire, Scotland, and has seven sons and four daughters. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/images/StAndrews1042.jpg Young, J amd son (James and David), General Storekeepers, St. Andrews. Mr Young married was married in 1858 to a d/o William Strain, of lanarkshire, Scotland. His wife d. in 1897 leaving six sons and five daughters. The "Echunga" departed London 10 Sept.1862 and arrived in Timaru 16 Dec. 1862, 102 days, then onto and then at Lyttelton on 24th December 1862. Gilfillan Robert M wife & 2 children Ploughman Lanarkshire 27, Marion 35, Jessie 17, Margaret 9 Gilmour John M wife & 2 children Shepherd Lanarkshire age 26. Agnes 25, Ann 5, James 4 mths Hislop Joseph M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire 30 Hislop Maria F 2 children Logan John M Miller 21 Lanarkshire, travelling with Vallance Pope Patrick M boy Lanarkshire Blacksmith Saddler Thomas M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire 25 Shaw Wm. M wife & 1 child Shepherd Lanarkshire age 28 Jane V. age 25, John 7 Shields James M wife & 2 children Ploughman Lanarkshire 32, marion 26, Thomas 5, Ellen 3. Smellie Wm. M wife & 3 children Ploughman Lanarkshire age 28, Janet V. 27, Jane 6, Wm 3, James 5mths Vallance Robert M Ploughman 19 Lanarkshire travelling with John Logan 21 The Huntress, Captain Barrow, arrived yesterday evening after a protracted passage. Left 10th December 1862. Arrived April 21st 1863 Brown J. and wife Carpenter Lanarkshire Craw David wife and 3 children Farm Laborer Lanarkshire Craw Elizabeth 12 Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Craw Ellen 15 Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Craw Margaret 16 Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Craw Robt. Farm Laborer Lanarkshire Craw Robt. wife and 2 children Farm Laborer Lanarkshire Dalziel Jas. wife and 3 children Smith Lanarkshire Grainger Thomas Laborer Lanarkshire Russell Thos. wifr Carpenter Lanarkshire Smith Mary 32 Cook Lanarkshire Arrived - October 13, 1863 Lancashire Witch, ship, 1383 tons, West, from London. Beattie William M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire Belch John M wife & one child Carpenter Lanarkshire Brackenrigde Alex M wife & one child Carpenter Lanarkshire M'Cutcheon Geo. M wife & one child Shoemaker Lanarkshire Menzies Adam M Plasterer Lanarkshire Robertson Duncan M wife Carpenter Lanarkshire Smith Sophia F Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Tayery Catherine F Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Wells Richard M Ploughman Lanarkshire Wells William M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire Robertson Duncan M Y Carpenter Lanarkshire Tayery Catherine F Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Wells Richard M Ploughman Lanarkshire Wells William M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire The ship Ivanhoe, Captain Dunn, from London, arrived off the Heads at noon Sunday, after a passage of 108 days from Plymouth. She sailed from thence on the 25th February 1964 Champniss, T. with wife and 2 children. Wheelwright Lanarkshire Crawford, J. with wife and seeven children. Ploughman Lanarkshire Cullen Jane F Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Fenton Robert M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire Press, 18 December 1869, Page 2 List of Assisted Government Immigrants per ship Celaeno. Eliza Morrison, Lanarkshire Auckland Star, 12 August 1926, Page 8 Obit. MR. JOHN MEIKLE. Te Aroha, Wednesday. The death took place yesterday at his residence, Ruakaka, Te Aroha, of Mr. John Meikle, a very highly respected resident of this district, aged 83 years. The late Mr. Meikle was born in the parish of Strathavon, Lanarkshire, Scotland, in 1843. He migrated to New Zealand, arriving at Dunedin in 1863, and taking a position with Orbell Bros, at Waikomatai. [John was the s/o Thomas MEIKLE, farmer & Mary M.S. STEELE; Lanarkshire SCT]

Interesting that each spouse came mainly from Lanarkshire. Such odds. I wonder how that came about. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Olwyn Whitehouse via Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:57 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Timaru, South Canterbury N.Z. snippets. Off my favourite the South Canterbury site. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/ Timaru Herald January 1870 MARRIAGE; January 17, at the Presbyterian Church, Timaru, by the Rev. G. Barclay, Robert, eldest son of Mr. Robert Bowie GARTSHERRIE, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Julie, third daughter of the late Mr. W. JOHNSON, Plimlico, Belgravia, London. Timaru Herald June 1886 MARRIAGE: YOUNG - DONALDSON. On June 1st, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. J. Elmslie, Alexander, eldest son of James Young, of St. Andrews, to Elizabeth, third daughter of Thomas Donaldson, Christchurch, both late of Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Timaru Herald May 1882 MARRIAGE: EDMISTON - MACHIN. On the 15th May, at the house of the bride's father, by the Rev. T.B. Hallowes, Hugh Fleming Edmiston, second son of the late H.F. Edmiston, of Bossfield East, Killbride, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Clara, third daughter of Thomas Machin, architect, Timaru. Timaru Herald Jan. 32st 1884 MARRIAGE: RICHARDSON. On the 11th January, at Timaru, the wife of Edward Richardson, of a daughter. Only daughter of G. D. Lockhart, youngest son of Robert Lockhart, Esq., of Castle Hill, Camnethau House, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Home papers please copy. Star 22 January 1884, Page 2. Edward George Kerr, Newspaper Proprietor. b. 1845, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Married in 1861 daughter of S. Goldthorpe, Cheshire. North Otago Times, 20 August 1892, Page 3 Death of MR JAMES HENDERSON Another old identity, ripe in years, and respected by all, passed away yesterday morning at the age of 78. Mr James Henderson came to Port Chalmers 18 years ago in the Wild Deer, and has resided in this district ever since. He was a native of Bridge of Allan, Stirlingshire, and previous to coming to this colony was well known in the parishes of Carnwath and Lesmnhagow, Lanarkshire, where he resided for many years. He has enriched the colony by the fact that eleven sons and daughters are settled in New Zealand, and their offspring and their children's offspring add considerably to our industrious population. His grand-children alone number nearly 80, and the tree has therefore borne many branches. Nine of his children are settled in this district, and are well known, one resides in Timaru, and another (Mr David Henderson) is settled in the North Island. The funeral will leave his late residence, Coquet street, to-morrow, for the Oamaru Cemetery. Timaru Herald, 30 December 1920, Page 7 OBITUARY. MR JAMES YOUNG. Full of years and after a long and useful life, the late Mr James Young, well known in the early days as a storekeeper at St. Andrews, passed to his rest on Sunday last at the residence of his eldest daughter, Nurse Lawrie, Elizabeth Street, Timaru. The deceased was born in 1834, in Haddingtonshire, East Lothian, Scotland. He learned the trade of a black; smith at Home, and came to New Zealand in the ship Cartsburn in 1874, landing at Port Chalmers, where he found his first employment in this country. From Port Chalmers he came to Timaru, where he worked for a few years, and in 1878 he set up in business as a blacksmith at St. Andrews. He carried on this business till 1887, when he sold it to one of his sons, and in partnership with another son went into the grocery business at St. Andrews, the firm being known as J. Young and Son, general storekeepers. When Mr Young first went to St. Andrews the township consisted of a small public, house and the stationmaster's residence, Mr Young, who had been living retired for many years, was married in 1858 to Miss Strain, of Lanarkshire, Scotland. His wife died in 1897. Mr and Mrs Young are survived by four sons and four daughters, twenty grandchildren, and six great-grandchildren. Cyclopedia of New Zealand, Canterbury edition. Part 4. pages 898-899. Published 1903 Gapes Valley. WELLS, Richard Perry, farmer, "Greendale Farm," Gapes' Valley, Mr. Wells was borne in Blantyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland, in 1841, and being trained to farming pursuits, from the time he was nine years old he worked for himself. His father Joshua Wells, paymaster-sergeant, served in the 27th Regiment of the line at Waterloo, and his brother, Sergeant John Wells, of the Royal Artillery, served through the Crimean War and the Indian Mutiny. Mr. R.P. Wells landed at Lyttelton in the ship "Lancashire Witch." in 1863, under the engagement to Mr. James Lockhead, being accompanied by his brother, the late William Wells. He reached Christchurch with only ten shillings in his pocket... Reference: Cyclopedia of New Zealand, Canterbury edition. Part 4. pages 954-959. Published 1903 Fairlie Councillor Richard IRVING was born in Lanarkshire, Scotland, in 1837. He was brought up to farming, and in 1867 came to New Zealand under engagement to the Levels Land Company, for whom he brought out a valuable stallion, "Iveno." After a time Mr Irving was appointed manager of the farming department, and held the position for fifteen years, when he bought 309 acres of the Levels estate at Albury. He has since increased his holding to 1775 acres, known as "Brown Hill." In 1899 he took a pleasure trip of seven months to England, and brought to New Zealand a number of very valuable draught stallions, two of which, "Sandy Erskine" and "Agitator." have been champions ever since coming to the colony. Mr Irving also owns the stud draught horses "Reformer" and "Brown Hill." and has acted as a judge of draught horses at nearly all the agricultural shows throughout Canterbury. He has been a member of the Timaru Agricultural Show Committee for twenty years, a director of the Albury Saleyards Company since its foundation, has served for twelve years on the local school committee, and been a member of the Mackenzie County Council since 1902. Mr Irving married in 1887 to a daughter of the late Mr. Samuel Young, of Lanarkshire, Scotland, and has seven sons and four daughters. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/images/StAndrews1042.jpg Young, J amd son (James and David), General Storekeepers, St. Andrews. Mr Young married was married in 1858 to a d/o William Strain, of lanarkshire, Scotland. His wife d. in 1897 leaving six sons and five daughters. The "Echunga" departed London 10 Sept.1862 and arrived in Timaru 16 Dec. 1862, 102 days, then onto and then at Lyttelton on 24th December 1862. Gilfillan Robert M wife & 2 children Ploughman Lanarkshire 27, Marion 35, Jessie 17, Margaret 9 Gilmour John M wife & 2 children Shepherd Lanarkshire age 26. Agnes 25, Ann 5, James 4 mths Hislop Joseph M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire 30 Hislop Maria F 2 children Logan John M Miller 21 Lanarkshire, travelling with Vallance Pope Patrick M boy Lanarkshire Blacksmith Saddler Thomas M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire 25 Shaw Wm. M wife & 1 child Shepherd Lanarkshire age 28 Jane V. age 25, John 7 Shields James M wife & 2 children Ploughman Lanarkshire 32, marion 26, Thomas 5, Ellen 3. Smellie Wm. M wife & 3 children Ploughman Lanarkshire age 28, Janet V. 27, Jane 6, Wm 3, James 5mths Vallance Robert M Ploughman 19 Lanarkshire travelling with John Logan 21 The Huntress, Captain Barrow, arrived yesterday evening after a protracted passage. Left 10th December 1862. Arrived April 21st 1863 Brown J. and wife Carpenter Lanarkshire Craw David wife and 3 children Farm Laborer Lanarkshire Craw Elizabeth 12 Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Craw Ellen 15 Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Craw Margaret 16 Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Craw Robt. Farm Laborer Lanarkshire Craw Robt. wife and 2 children Farm Laborer Lanarkshire Dalziel Jas. wife and 3 children Smith Lanarkshire Grainger Thomas Laborer Lanarkshire Russell Thos. wifr Carpenter Lanarkshire Smith Mary 32 Cook Lanarkshire Arrived - October 13, 1863 Lancashire Witch, ship, 1383 tons, West, from London. Beattie William M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire Belch John M wife & one child Carpenter Lanarkshire Brackenrigde Alex M wife & one child Carpenter Lanarkshire M'Cutcheon Geo. M wife & one child Shoemaker Lanarkshire Menzies Adam M Plasterer Lanarkshire Robertson Duncan M wife Carpenter Lanarkshire Smith Sophia F Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Tayery Catherine F Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Wells Richard M Ploughman Lanarkshire Wells William M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire Robertson Duncan M Y Carpenter Lanarkshire Tayery Catherine F Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Wells Richard M Ploughman Lanarkshire Wells William M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire The ship Ivanhoe, Captain Dunn, from London, arrived off the Heads at noon Sunday, after a passage of 108 days from Plymouth. She sailed from thence on the 25th February 1964 Champniss, T. with wife and 2 children. Wheelwright Lanarkshire Crawford, J. with wife and seeven children. Ploughman Lanarkshire Cullen Jane F Domestic Servant Lanarkshire Fenton Robert M Farm Labourer Lanarkshire Press, 18 December 1869, Page 2 List of Assisted Government Immigrants per ship Celaeno. Eliza Morrison, Lanarkshire Auckland Star, 12 August 1926, Page 8 Obit. MR. JOHN MEIKLE. Te Aroha, Wednesday. The death took place yesterday at his residence, Ruakaka, Te Aroha, of Mr. John Meikle, a very highly respected resident of this district, aged 83 years. The late Mr. Meikle was born in the parish of Strathavon, Lanarkshire, Scotland, in 1843. He migrated to New Zealand, arriving at Dunedin in 1863, and taking a position with Orbell Bros, at Waikomatai. [John was the s/o Thomas MEIKLE, farmer & Mary M.S. STEELE; Lanarkshire SCT] ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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Scottish Word for Today December 3, 2015 Expressions: A friend who hails from Newton Stewart, Wigtownshire, sometimes changes the word order around in a sentence, as an example: “Weeks they have been there.” Some areas in this part of Southwest Scotland were once (Irish) Gaelic speaking. As there was a lot of traffic between Ireland and Scotland, one wonders if the English speech pattern was influenced by Scottish Gaelic, Erse, or if this is just regional. (Take note, Glaswegians, Erse is herein used with a capital E, and is not in reference to one’s bahoochey!) In Glasgow, word order was also changed around as in “What like is it?” Again, as Glasgow, during and after the Irish famine in the mid-1800s, was inundated with thousands of Irish ‘refugees,’ bringing their own manner of speech and Erse, it is a question of who influenced whom in sentence structure with words sometimes used backside foremost. Personally, I was somewhat taken aback when I came to this side of the world and was questioned/corrected as to why I would ask, “What like is it?” instead of “What’s it like?” Another difference in word order is the expression “Ye’re a lang time deid. ” which would be more likely expressed elsewhere as “You‘re dead a long time.” in Standard English. It’s not quite the same as the Scottish version which is a caution to get on with whatever you are doing now for there’s no time left. Note: More on rammy from Lanark lister cmchouston: tramash (stramash) and stooshie. Maisie

Hear hear. Elton who? Edward R Paxton Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Dec 2015, at 23:09, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Nivard, I think you and Malcolm out to be given an honour by the Queen. > After all, if Elton John can be given a BE or other for plunking on some > piano keys and not singing all that great, your contributions to genealogy > are more productive! > > Maisie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington via > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 2:42 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Peter SMITH b 28 Jun 1803, Glasgow, Lanark, SCT. > married Jane POLLOCK 1830. Looking for their children? > > Hi Olwyn > > I would start with the census > > A quick search for Robert SMITH born 1833 +/2 years finds two in the > 1841 census , only one has a brother Thomas and he is 10 in 1841 > > Please note the 1841 does not have as much detail as later census > > The ages are rounded down to the nearest whole five for those above 16, > birth places are either in county where enumerated (Y) or not in county > where enumerated (N) > > Also bear in mind the transcript may have errors in and is itself a > transcript of a transcript, the enumerator transcribed the household > schedules onto the forms we have access to today and from which the > transcripts are made > > The following does not prove its your family but suggests that it may be > > Name: Peter Smith > Age: 40 > Estimated birth year: abt 1801 > Gender: Male > Where born: Scotland > Civil Parish: Old Monkland > County: Lanarkshire > Address: Calder Worky Gaspel Row > Occupation: Furnace Man > Parish Number: 652 > Household Members: > Name Age > Peter Smith 40 furnace man N (not born in Lanarkshire) > Jane Smith 30 Y > Thomas Smith 10 Y > Robert Smith 9 Y > Agnes Smith 7 Y > Peter Smith 4 Y > Andrew Smith 1 Y > > Parish: Old Monkland; ED: 9; Page: 2; Line: 1030; Year: 1841 > > The easiest way to get the page image is to visit scotlandspeople, armed > with the above it should cost you 6 credits > > The Robert above was according to the 1841 census, born in Lanarkshire > > I found nothing on either a Robert Pollock SMITH b1833 +/- 2 years > anywhere (but he may have adopted the Pollock later) or a Robert SMITH > b1833 +/- 2 years re Airdrie > > What appears to be the same family in 1851 > > Name: Peter Smith > Age: 47 > Estimated birth year: abt 1804 > Relationship: Head > Spouse: Jane Smith > Gender: Male > Where born: Dundee > Parish Number: 652 > Civil Parish: Old Monkland > Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: > View related Ecclesiastical Parish > Town: Calder Iron Works > County: Lanarkshire > Address: 15 Bridge Row > Occupation: Furnace Keeper > ED: 21 > Page: 3 > Household schedule number: 8 > LINE: 8 > Roll: CSSCT1851_171 > Household Members: > Name Age > Peter Smith 47 furnace keeper Dundee > Jane Smith 44 wife of East Kelhark? Lanarkshire > Thomas Smith 21 engine keeper Old Monkland Lanarkshire > Albert Smith 13 assistant of furnace keeper Old Monkland Lanarkshire > Agnes Smith 17 house servant Old Monkland Lanarkshire > Jane Smith 10 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire > Margaret Smith 8 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire > Marion Smith 5 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire > Andrew Smith 3 Old Monkland Lanarkshire > > Parish: Old Monkland; ED: 21; Page: 3; Line: 8; Roll: CSSCT1851_171; > Year: 1851 > > There was a Robert SMITH aged 20 in the 1851 census but he is down as > born Old Monkland an Iron stone miner > > You may find the baptisms for them on scotlandspeople also > > Given the times you may find there were other children born and died > between the census > > I would urge you to get the page images for the census if the details > marry up with your data, don't rely on the transcripts > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 01/12/2015 21:53, Olwyn Whitehouse via wrote: >> I am not familiar with Scottish research. How do I find out if Thomas >> Smith >> b. 1831 and Robert Pollock Smith b. 1833 have any other brothers and >> sisters. >> >> Peter SMITH born: 28 Jun 1803, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland >> Peter married Jane POLLOCK on 1 Jan 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, >> Scotland. (Jane POLLOCK was born in 1807 in Scotland) >> Who were their children? >> >> Thomas SMITH born in 1831, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Died: 26 >> June 1897, Waimate, NZ at age 66 >> Marriage: Jane AITKEN on 4 Dec. 1853 in Scotland. Jane was born on 27 Jun >> 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland and died on 19 May 1910 in >> Waimera, Otago, and was buried in Clinton Cemetery, NZ. Arrived in NZ in >> the Helenslee in 1863. >> Children John, Annabella, Jane all born in NZ. >> >> Robert Pollock-Smith was a native of Airdrie, Scotland. He died in NZ in >> 1916, aged 83. He was born in 1833. Came out to NZ twice. Married 25 Nov >> 1864 in Christchurch, NZ. to Elizabeth BURLEY. No children born in NZ. He >> came back c. 1875. No sign of a marriage in NZ to Janet Wards. >> http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/ward/thread/1200148 >> Seven children born in NZ: Ellen, Robert, James, Donald Brock Smith, >> Jane, Annabella Pollock Smith, Thomas Peter Smith. >> >> Thanks. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Hi Olwyn I would start with the census A quick search for Robert SMITH born 1833 +/2 years finds two in the 1841 census , only one has a brother Thomas and he is 10 in 1841 Please note the 1841 does not have as much detail as later census The ages are rounded down to the nearest whole five for those above 16, birth places are either in county where enumerated (Y) or not in county where enumerated (N) Also bear in mind the transcript may have errors in and is itself a transcript of a transcript, the enumerator transcribed the household schedules onto the forms we have access to today and from which the transcripts are made The following does not prove its your family but suggests that it may be Name: Peter Smith Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: Calder Worky Gaspel Row Occupation: Furnace Man Parish Number: 652 Household Members: Name Age Peter Smith 40 furnace man N (not born in Lanarkshire) Jane Smith 30 Y Thomas Smith 10 Y Robert Smith 9 Y Agnes Smith 7 Y Peter Smith 4 Y Andrew Smith 1 Y Parish: Old Monkland; ED: 9; Page: 2; Line: 1030; Year: 1841 The easiest way to get the page image is to visit scotlandspeople, armed with the above it should cost you 6 credits The Robert above was according to the 1841 census, born in Lanarkshire I found nothing on either a Robert Pollock SMITH b1833 +/- 2 years anywhere (but he may have adopted the Pollock later) or a Robert SMITH b1833 +/- 2 years re Airdrie What appears to be the same family in 1851 Name: Peter Smith Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1804 Relationship: Head Spouse: Jane Smith Gender: Male Where born: Dundee Parish Number: 652 Civil Parish: Old Monkland Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Calder Iron Works County: Lanarkshire Address: 15 Bridge Row Occupation: Furnace Keeper ED: 21 Page: 3 Household schedule number: 8 LINE: 8 Roll: CSSCT1851_171 Household Members: Name Age Peter Smith 47 furnace keeper Dundee Jane Smith 44 wife of East Kelhark? Lanarkshire Thomas Smith 21 engine keeper Old Monkland Lanarkshire Albert Smith 13 assistant of furnace keeper Old Monkland Lanarkshire Agnes Smith 17 house servant Old Monkland Lanarkshire Jane Smith 10 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire Margaret Smith 8 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire Marion Smith 5 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire Andrew Smith 3 Old Monkland Lanarkshire Parish: Old Monkland; ED: 21; Page: 3; Line: 8; Roll: CSSCT1851_171; Year: 1851 There was a Robert SMITH aged 20 in the 1851 census but he is down as born Old Monkland an Iron stone miner You may find the baptisms for them on scotlandspeople also Given the times you may find there were other children born and died between the census I would urge you to get the page images for the census if the details marry up with your data, don't rely on the transcripts Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/12/2015 21:53, Olwyn Whitehouse via wrote: > I am not familiar with Scottish research. How do I find out if Thomas Smith > b. 1831 and Robert Pollock Smith b. 1833 have any other brothers and > sisters. > > Peter SMITH born: 28 Jun 1803, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Peter married Jane POLLOCK on 1 Jan 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, > Scotland. (Jane POLLOCK was born in 1807 in Scotland) > Who were their children? > > Thomas SMITH born in 1831, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Died: 26 > June 1897, Waimate, NZ at age 66 > Marriage: Jane AITKEN on 4 Dec. 1853 in Scotland. Jane was born on 27 Jun > 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland and died on 19 May 1910 in > Waimera, Otago, and was buried in Clinton Cemetery, NZ. Arrived in NZ in > the Helenslee in 1863. > Children John, Annabella, Jane all born in NZ. > > Robert Pollock-Smith was a native of Airdrie, Scotland. He died in NZ in > 1916, aged 83. He was born in 1833. Came out to NZ twice. Married 25 Nov > 1864 in Christchurch, NZ. to Elizabeth BURLEY. No children born in NZ. He > came back c. 1875. No sign of a marriage in NZ to Janet Wards. > http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/ward/thread/1200148 > Seven children born in NZ: Ellen, Robert, James, Donald Brock Smith, > Jane, Annabella Pollock Smith, Thomas Peter Smith. > > Thanks. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Mataura Ensign 26 May 1911, Page 4 Death BOYD.— At the residence of her son-inlaw, Mr Wm. Wilson, Papatowai, on May 24, 1911, Margaret Boyd, relict of Stephenson Boyd, of Blyntyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland, in her 86th year. Her end was peace. Press, 29 July 1915, Page 7 Died of Disease CANTERBURY BATTALION. Brown, Andrew, Private, 6-2077 (dysentery, Egyptian Army Hospital) (Mrs E. Brown, Anthinbegg, Lesmahgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, mother). Otago Daily Times 29 August 1883, Page 2 Death On the 23rd August, at his residence, Kaihiku Bash, Mr James Brownlie, farmer, formerly of Lanarkshire, aged 55 years. North Otago Times 18 March 1903, Page 2 Death BRUCE. On the 17th Inst., at his late residence, North Road, John Bruce the beloved husband of Marion Bruce, aged 71 years native of Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Press, 15 August 1890, Page 4 Death Cookburn. Sunday, August 10th, Allen of West Oxford, native of Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, forty-seVen. Home papers please copy. Otago Daily Times 14 May 1903, Page 6 Death COUBROUGH. On the 13th May, at the residence of her daughter (Mrs Cunningham), Opoho road, N.E. Valley, Margaret, relict of the late Archibald Coubrough, of Biggarshields, Lanarkshire, Scotland; in her eightieth year. Flowers respectfully declined.— Private interment. New Zealand Spectator and Cook's Strait Guardian, 24 July 1847, Page 2 At Edinburgh, Helen, widow of the late Captain James Coutts Crawford, R. N. of Overtown, Lanarkshire. Otago Daily Times 26 May 1870, Page 2 Deaths On the 21st May, at his brother's residence Mavis Bank Farm, Lake Waipori, John Cross, eldest son of the late John Cross, solicitor, Airdrie, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Home papers please copy. Southland Times, 18 April 1866, Page 2 Death Findllay. At Springhill, on 22nd January last, John Findlay, Esquire, of Springhiil, and Barrachney, Lanarkshire, Scotland aged 86 years. Press, 24 February 1903, Page 1 Death Frame. At her son's residence Lyttelton, relict of the late James Frame, formerly of Cloburn Wood Farm, Lanarkshire. Scotland, aged 83. West Coast Times 5 August 1880, Page 2 Death Frew, At Hokitika, on the 4th instant, James Frew, late of Larkhall, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Poverty Bay Herald, 5 January 1907, Page 2 GRAY. At Gisborne, on December 28th (by accident), John Gray, native of Courtbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland, and son of William Gray, late of Tokomairiro South, Otago, aged 56 years. Bruce Herald, 26 August 1902, Page 4 Death HAMILTON — On the 26th August (suddenly), at his residence, Clarksville, Tokomairiro, John Baillie Hamilton, late of Cambuslang, Lanarkshire, Sootland, dearly beloved husband of Elizabeth Hamilton aged 73 years. Oamaru Mail, 19 August 1892, Page 2 Henderson. At his residence, Coquet street, James Henderson, late of Lanarkshire, Scotland, aged 78 years. The funeral will leave his late residence at 2.30 p.m. on Sunday next. Friends please accept this intimation. Thos. Falconer, Undertaker. Otago Daily Times 22 July 1901, Page 4 Death Henderson. On the 1st July 1901, at the Dunedin Hospital, Thomas Henderson, native of Larkhall, Lanarkshire, Scotland, late of Shand's Siding, Otago, N.Z. aged 66years. Home and American papers please copy. New Zealand Herald, 30 October 1878, Page 2 Death LITSTER. On October 24, at his residence, Graham street, Parnell, Auckland, N.Z., John Litster, late of Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland.— Glasgow papers please copy. Daily Telegraph 17 October 1894, Page 2 Death Martin. At the Clarendon Hotel, Napier, suddenly, on the 17th October, Robert Martin, of Lanarkshire, Scotland. North Otago Times, 19 July 1878, Page 2 On the 17th iiut.. at his residence, Urc street, Oamaru, David M'Auslin, aged 33 years, native of Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Oamaru Mail, 30 August 1883, Page 2 Death M'Auslin. On the 3rd inst., at Sydney, suddenly, William M'Auslin, stonemason, late of Oamaru, and native of Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Home papers please copy. Grey River Argus, 15 May 1891, Page 2 M'Gavin. On the 14th Inst, at the Grey River Hospital, William M'Gavin, native of Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland, and late of Greymouth, aged 55 years. Star 15 August 1882, Page 2 Death M'Lean. At the residence of his brother-in-law, Robort Wallace Tarrace, Leithfield, William McLean, of Lanarkshire, Scotland, in his fifty-sixth year. Clutha Leader, 16 July 1880, Page 4 Death Meair. On the 10th of July, at the residence of Alexander Youngson, Hillside, Warepa, Andrew Meair, native of Lanarkshire, Scotland, aged 42. Otago Daily Times 21 March 1882, Page 2 On the 24th January, at Navo Nadi, Fiji, Thomas Lindsay Muir, third son of the late William Muir, Hardington Mains, Lanarkshire, Scotland aged 50? years. Timaru Herald, 30 October 1911, Page 4 Death. PROVAN. Departed this life on 28th inst. at Broomfield Terrace, Airdrie, Lanarkshire, Scotland, James Provan; in his 77th year. (By cable.) Lyttelton Times, 29 January 1869, Page 2 Death Paterson. Jan. 27, at his residence, Cashel street, Mr James Paterson, formerly of Wester Park, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, aged 35 years. Wanganui Herald, 5 July 1918, Page 4 RIDDELL. At Victoria Hospital, Wellington, on July 1st, Trooper Robert Dunipace Riddell, of Okoia, late of Strathaven, Lanarkshire, Scotland, aged 30 years. Symes and Roberts, Undertakers. Auckland Star, 19 August 1890, Page 8 ROBERTSON. On August 18, at 11 a.m.. at Sentinel Road, Janet Robertson, sister of Rev. T. F. Robertson, and daughter of William Robertson, Bastibeirst, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Auckland Star, 18 November 1892, Page 4 Death ROBERTSON. On November 17. at St. Mary's Road, Ponsonby, Agnes Frew Robertson, wife of the late William Robertson. Barubeeth, Lanarkshire, Scotland, and mother of Rev. T.F. Robertson, of St. Stephen's; aged 85. Interment private. Evening Star 28 October 1904, Page 4 Death ROBERTSON. At Calderbank. Lanarkshire, Scotland, on September 10th, Mrs Elizabeth Robertson, mother of Mrs Robert Hill, Abbbtsford. West Coast Times 25 November 1893, Page 2 Death Scoular. At his residence, Hall street, on November 24, John Scoular, eldest son of the late John Scoular, Esq., of Green Park, Lesmahago, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Clutha Leader, 18 August 1882, Page 4 Death Smith - On the 19th June, at Leven Hall, near Musselburgh, Scotland, Margaret, relict of Hugh Smith, of Westown, Pettinain, Lanarkshire, and mother of J. Gibson Smith, Balclutha in her 68th year. Mataura Ensign 7 September 1899, Page 2 Death Strang. At his residence, Avondale Park, Woodlands, on the 5th September, 1899, James Strang, farmer, native of Lanarkshire, Scotland, aged 74 years. Bruce Herald, 5 May 1869, Page 4 Death Vary.— At Cadzow Cottage, Hamilton, Scotland, on 12th February, Richard Vary, Esq., Solicitor, and Registrar of Deeds for Lanarkshire. Father of Mrs G. 0. Tait, Tokomairiro. Otago Daily Times 1 March 1899, Page 4 Death WATSON. On the 27th February, 1899, at the residence of his sister, Mrs Fleming, East Winton, Thomas Watson, farmer, Meadowbank, Heddon Bush, Southland, second son of the late Thomas Watson, farmer Muirhead, Dalserf, Lanarkshire, Scotland; aged 47 years. Southland Times 7 January 1882, Page 2 WHITEFORD. On the 6th January, 1882, at his residence, Tweed street, Invercargill, John Whiteford (formerly of Lanarkshire, Scotland), aged 44 years. Deeply regretted by a large circle of friends and acquaintances. West Coast Times 24 January 1898, Page 2 Death Wilson. At his late residence, Brittan street, Hokitika, January 21, 1898, David, eldest san of the late James Wilson, merchant, Motherwell, Scotland—native of Motherwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Aged 61 years. Hamilton papers, Scotland, please copy. New Zealander, 28 August 1847, Page 2 Died Died, at Albert Street, Auckland, on the 25th inst., Jane Wilson, aged 27 years, wife of John Walker, Esq., and fifth daughter of William Wilson, Esq., of Campbellfield, Lanarkshire, and Woodlands, Argylleshire, Scotland. Otago Daily Times 18 September 1882, Page 2 DEATH. On the 14th September, drowned in the bay, at Dunedin, Robert Wilson, native of Strathaven, Lanarkshire, Scotland aged 57. Thames Star, 10 July 1901, Page 2 Death Wilson. On the 9th July (suddenly), at the residence of his son, Mr. R. Wilson, manager of the Thames Gasworks, William Wilson, late of Owaka, Catlin's River, Otago, and formerly of Westquarter, Lanarkshire, Scotland, in his 77nd year.— Private Interment. [Robert Twentyman.] Auckland Star, 3 November 1892, Page 12Birth BEWS - TAYLOR. 0n October 31st at St, David's Church, by Rev. R. Scott West, assisted by the Rev. A. Carrick Gordon Wallace, third son of the late David Bews, of Bothwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Mary Boulcott fourth daughter of the late William Innes Taylor, of Glen Innes, Tamaki. Press, 12 August 1863, Page 2 Birth On 11th Aug., the wife of George Duncan Lockhart, Esq., of Camnetham House, Lanarkshire, Scotland, of a son. Star 14 January 1884, Page 2 Birth RICHARDSON. Jan. 11, at Timaru, Mrs. Richardson of a daughter. Only daughter of G. D. Lockhart, youngest son of Robert Lockhart, Esq., of Castle Hill Camnethan House, Lanarkshire, of Scotland. Home papers please copy

Thank you Jo Ann and Nivard for coming through with prompt replies. Appreciated. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Otago Daily Times 26 March 1875, Page 3 The Glasgow people are noted for their hospitality, geniality, thoroughness, and determination - these qualities they have carried with them all the world over. Oamaru Mail, 11 May 1891, Page 2 ALGIE — Carr.—On the 15th April, at Burn House, Dunedin, by the Rev. J. F. Fraser, David Naismith, third, son of the late Robert Algie, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Margaret, second daughter of Mr John Carr, West Taieri. Colonist, 4 December 1880, Page 2 Marriage ALLAN - ATMORE. December 2, at the residence of the bride's father, by the Rev John Beckenhatn, Thomas Allan, eldest son of Robert Allan, of Cairatairs Junction, Lanarkshire, to Martha, eldest daughter of Edward Atmore, of Nelson. Otago Daily Times 3 February 1872, Page 2 Marriage On the 1st February, at the residence of J. T. M'Kerras, Esq., Rosemount, by the Rev. D. M. Stuart, Hugh Armour, to Elizabeth, youngest daughter of the late William Allan, farmer, Lanarkshire. Timaru Herald, 19 January 1870, Page 2 Married Jan. 17, at the Presbyterian Church, Timaru, by the Rev G. Barclay, Robert, eldest son of Mr Robert Bowie, Gartsherrie, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Julia, third daughter of the late Mr W. Johnson, Pimilico, Belgravia, London. Akaroa Mail and Banks Peninsula Advertiser, 5 June 1883, Page 2 Marriage Brodie — Pettigrew. At the residence of Jas. Pettigrew. Esq., Duvauchelle's Bay, on May 31st, William Brodie, eldest son of Andrew Brodie, Orkney, Scotland, to Jane Pettigrew, second daughter of James Pettigrew, Esq.. Lanarkshire, Scotland. Home papers please copy. Otago Daily Times 13 September 1873, Page 2 On the 9th September, at Leith street, Dunedin, by the Rev. Dr Stuart, Mr James Cooper to Miss Annie Gilbert, both of Larkhall, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Glasgow papers please copy Otago Daily Times 4 February 1865, Page 4 Married On 3rd February, by the Rev. D. M. Stuart, George Cowie, Esq., M.D., son of George Cowie, Esq of Groveside, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Catherine Balfour Stuart, only daughter of the late Thomas Stuart, Esq, Honduras, West Indies. Southland Times 23 January 1886, Page 2 Marriage Craig— French.— At Invercargill, on the 22nd inst., by the Rev. Archdeacon Stacker, William Craig to Margaret French, youngest daughter of the late Alexander Hastie, Esq., of Newmains, Lanarkshire, Scotland. West Coast Times 28 October 1867, Page 2 Marriage CUMMING - MILLER. On the 18th inst., at his residence, by the Rev. Mr Gow, Mr Andrew Cumming, merchant, to Jane Starke Miller widow of the late Thomas Haigh, Esq., Melbourne, Victoria, and third daughter of the late Capt. Gavin Miller, Airdrie, Lanarkshire, Scotland. [Home papers please copy.] Mataura Ensign, 13 March 1894, Page 2 At Riversdale Presbyterian Church on the 7th March, by the Rev. R. Waddell, M.A., Dunedin, assisted by the Rev. James McKellar, Riversdale, William Alexander, second son of the late Thomas Donald, Commissary Park, Lanarkshire, to Joan, fifth daughter of the late Robert Gilkison, Esq., of Glasgow. Bruce Herald, 31 May 1871, Page 4 Marriage FERGUSSON — Hunter. At Tokomairiro, on the 26th inst., by the Rev. J. Chisholm, Mr Peter Fergusson, to Jane, fourth daughter of George Hunter, Esq., Bellshill, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Home papers plase copy. Otago Daily Times 30 January 1888, Page 2 Marriage On the 26th January, at Knox Church, Dunedin, by the Rev. Dr. Stuart, James Forrest, Melbourne, third son of William Foresst, Esq., Brockley, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Phemy, youngest daughter of H. Clark, Esq., Clarksville, Otngo, New Zealand. Evening Post, 25 August 1885, Page 2 Marriage Eades — Campbell. On the 22nd August, at the residence of Mr M'Allister, Lower Hutt, by the Rev. Mr Rodgers, Presbyterian minister, William Henry Eades, jun. to Mary, fourth daughter of late G. Campbell, of Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Press, 31 December 1891, Page 4 Marriage Elder— Campbell. At Blarmore, Kfllinchy, Canterbury, the residence of the bride's parents, on the 30th December, by the Rev. W. West, of Southbridge, assisted by the Rev. P. J. Riddle, of Rakaia, A. F. Elder, of Greymouth, youngest son of the late Alexander Elder, Esq., Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Mary, youngest daughter of P. Campbell, Esq. Home papers please copy. Evening Star 18 April 1884, Page 2 Marriage FLEMING - CAIRNS. At St. Patrjok'a Church, South Dunedin, On the 17ih April, by the Rev. Father Purton, John, third son of James Fleming:, of Edenwood, County Derry, Ireland, to Mary, eldest daughter of the late Patrick Cairns, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Bruce Herald, 16 February 1865, Page 8 Married At Christchurch, Tokomairiro, on the 7th inst, by the Rev R. L. Stanford, B.A., Edward Thomas Gillon, Esq, to Isabella, youngest daughter of the late Captain Gavin Miller, Airdrie, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Hawke's Bay Herald, 9 April 1867, Page 2 MARRIAGE. GRAY— HAMILTON. At the Spit, Napier, on the 5th April, by the Rev. G. Morice, Mr. John Gray, of Clyde, Wairoa, to Maggie, eldest daughter of the late Mr. W. Hamilton, Summerlee, Lanarkshire, Scotland. North Otago Times, 21 March 1871, Page 2 Marriage At the Manse, Oaraaru, on the 12th March, by the Rev Mr Ryley, Robert Gray, third son of Mr William Gray, late of Braehead, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Martha, third daughter of Mr Archibald M'Nab, late of Campbeltown, Scotland. Otago Daily Times 14 March 1917, Page 4 GUYTON — TAYLOR. On February 21, at the residence of the bride's parents' Laing's road, Mornington. by Chaplain-captain John Miller, Lance-corporal Henry Guyton (Main Body), second son of James Guyton, St. Clair, to Margaret Forrester fourth daughter of Maxwell Taylor, Mornington (late of Lanarkshire, Scotland). Otago Daily Times 31 August 1872, Page 2 Marriage On the 30th August, at Great King street Dunedin, by the Rev. Dr. Copland, Ephram Harris, Esq., Lawrence, to Janet, young daughter of the late John Miller, Esq., We_tport, Bothwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Home papers please copy. Poverty Bay Herald, 15 December 1915, Page 2 Marriage HARRISON — SOMERTON. On December 12th, at St. Andrew's Presyterian Church, Christopher George Harrison, of Blantyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Annie, second daughter of the late George Somerton, of Noke, Oxfordshire, England. Otago Daily Times, 20 April 1911, Page 6 MARRIAGE. JOHNSTON- YOUNG.- On April 13th, at Trinity Church, Timaru, by the Rev. Thos. Stinson, B.A., Robort Aitken, eldest son of John Johnston, Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Muriel Dempster, oldest daughter of T. D. Young, Timaru. Dominion, 31 December 1918, Page 1 marriage KYDD - KELLY. On December 19, 1918, at Kelbum Parade, Wellington, by the Rev. J. H. MacKenzie, George Esplin Kydd, youngest son of William Kydd, Arbroath. Scotland, to Marion Wallace Kelly, fourth daughter of the late George Kelly. Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland. (Home papers please copy.) Auckland Star, 17 March 1927, Page 1 Marriage LUMSDEN—PRENTICE. On February 16, At St Stephen's Church, Auckland, by the Rev. Frazer Barton, Robert Wilson, fourth son of John Lumsden, Aberdeenehire Scotland, to Isabella Thomson, eldest daughter of Alexander Prentice, Cambuslang, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Southland Times 1 November 1870, Page 2 Lyon—Mackenzie. At Sylvan Bank, Invercargill, on the 28th ult., by the Rev. A. H. Stobo, William Lyon, to Jane Alexander, eldest daughter of the late William Mackenzie, of Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland. New Zealand Herald 20 September 1882, Page 4 Marriage Martin — Trotter. On September 12th. at St. David's Church, Kyber Pass, by the Rev. McKenzie Fraser, Adam David Martin, of Mahurangi Heads, to Isabella Trotter, of Lanarkshire, Scotland. Tasmanain papers please copy Otago Daily Times 18 April 1870, Page 2 On the 16th April, by the Rev. David Johnstone, James, eldest son of Mr James Marshall, to Mary Watt, youngest daughter of the late Robert Wardrop, both of the Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Inangahua Times, 20 April 1885, Page 2 Married McDonald - Alexander-Cauldwell. At Wsetport, on 14th April, 1885, Alexander McDonald, of Reefton, to Janet Alexander-Cauldwell, late of Lanarkshire, Scotland. Grey River Argus please copy. Press, 7 September 1876, Page 2 Marriage McSolvin — Jenkins. On the 6th September. 1876, by the Rev Father Sherry, John, eldest son of John McSolvin, of Lanarkshire. Scotland, to Emily youngest daughter of John Jenkins, of Cornwall, England. North Otago Times, 14 December 1865, Page 2 Marriage On the 12th instant, at Oamaru, by the Rev Mr Gaimell, Mr Thomas Meek, late of Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Miss Jane Hurst, late of Cumberland. Southland Times 30 January 1899, Page 2 Meikle — Henderson.— At One Tree Point, on 20th January, 1899, by the Rev. Evan Bissett, Archibald Meikle, formerly of Stonehouse, Lanarkshire, to Barbara Henderson, formerly of Campbelltown, Scotland. Otago Daily Times 16 April 1864, Page 4 Married On the 8th April, by the Rev. D. Meiklejohn, Mr Archibald M'Indoe, Caversham, to Agnes, second daughter of Mr William Thomson, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Southland Times 11 September 1868, Page 2 MILLAR — Hynes.— At Waikivi, on 3rd September, 1863, by the Rev. R. S. Bunn, Thomas Millar, late of Delziel, Lanarkshire, Sootland, to Mary, eldest daughter of Mr Martin Hynes, Athenry, Galway, Ireland. Southland Times 8 April 1885, Page 2 Marriage RENNIE — Henederson.— -At the Manse, Kelvin street, by the Rev. David Gordon, on the 31st March, William Rennie, to Annie, relict of tbe late John Henderson, and daughter of Mr James Wyper, stationmaster, of Stonehouse, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Press, 28 April 1864, Page 2 Marriage April 27, at Trinity Church, Avonside, by the Ven. the Archdeacon of Akaroa, Edward Richardson, Esq., to Frances Mary Elizabeth Corke, step-daughter of George Duncan Lockhart, Esq., of Comnethan House, Lanarkshire. No cards. Auckland Star, 17 January 1871, Page 2 MARRIAGE. Robertson — Pettigrew. At 77, Grey-street, on the 13th January, by the Rev. R.F. McNicol, John Robertson, Auckland, late of Airdrie, Lanarkshire Scotland, to Agnes, second daughter of the late Mr Thomas Pettigrew, Airdrie, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Lanarkshire papers please copy. West Coast Times 1 January 1869, Page 2 Married Scouler Ormsby. On December 31, by Rev. J. Gow, at his private residence, Hokitika, John, eldest son of John Scouler, Esq., Greenpark, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Anna Ormsby, relict of the late H. Roberts, of Melbourne, and second daughter of John Reilly, Esq., of Dublin, late collector of HI.M. Customs, Westport, Mayo, Ireland. Press, 9 November 1918, Page 1 Marriage SHEARER—DAVIDSON. On October 9th, 1918, at the residence of the bride's mother, Mrs J. Davidson, "Lucerne," 1 Braddon street, Addington, by the Rev. Cocker, William M., oldest son of W. Shearer, Auchmeddan, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Josephine Tronchet, youngest daughter of Josephine and the late Arthur Davidson, Christchurch. Lake Wakatip Mail 14 January 1865, Page 2 Marriage Married at Dunedin, on the 3rd instant, by special license, Mr David L. Simpson, to Sarah, eldest daughter of the late William Jones, Esq., of Calder Bank, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Auckland Star, 10 January 1930, Page 1 SPOONER — HENDERSON. On January 8 at Belmont Presbyterian Church, by the Rev S. J. Atkins, Isabella Kinnear Henderson, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs John Henderson, Thorntonhall, Lanarkshire, and William John, second son of William Spooner (late of Carmunnock, and Mrs. Spooner, Narrow Neck. Press, 23 March 1917, Page 1 Marriage WHITCOMBE - YOUNG. On January 26th 19717, at park street Parish Church, Glasgow, by the Rev. J.A. C. Murray, assisted by the Rev. William Jack, Eric Aubrey Hawkes, Lientant Royal Field Artillery, fifth?, son of Mr George H. Whitcommbe, Woodham, Christchurch, New Zealand, to Nancy Templeton, only daughter of Mr D.H>L. YOung, of Crutherland, East K__ride, Lanarkshire. Clutha Leader, 11 February 1875, Page 5 Marriage Whiteford - Combe. At the office of the Registrar, Invercargill, on the 2nd of February, John eldest son of John Whiteford, Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Maggie, youngest daughter of William Combe, late of Edinburgh. Otago Daily Times 28 August 1884, Page 2 On the 27th August, at Portlethen Villa, by the Rev. R B. M Sutherland, Bryce, only son of the late Bryce Wright, Newton Stewart, Wigtonshire, Scotland, to Jessie, second daughter of Gray Russell, late of Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Home papers please copy. Timaru Herald, 3 June 1886, Page 2 Marriage Young Donaldson.— On June 1st, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. J. Elmslie, Alexander, eldest son of James Young, of St. Andrews, to Elizabeth, third daughter of Thomas Donaldson, Christohurch, both late of Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland. New Zealand Herald, 1 July 1927, Page 1 SILVER WEDDING. (25th) ABERCROMBIE - COCHRANE.—On June 27, 1902, at Larkhall, Lanarkshire, Scotland, by the Rev. Alex. Borland, William Aberercrombie, to Mary Cochrane. Present address: Pukemiro, N.Z.— American and Home papers please copy. Press, 31 October 1912, Page 1 GOLDEN WEDDING. (50th) BARLOW — BEECH. On October 31st, 1862, at Airdrie, Lanarkshire, by Benjamin Cornwall Brown (Estabhshed Church of Scotland), William J. Barlow, only son of William Barlow, Esq., Airdrie, to Janet Ballingall, second daughter of the late Elisha Beech, Esq., Port Dundas, Glasgow. Present address, Glentunnel, New Zealand. Press, 6 July 1921, Page 1 GOLDEN WEDDING. BROWN — STEEL. On June 2nd, 1871, at Flemington, Strathaven, Lanarkshire, Scotland, by the Rev. James Allen, Thomas, eldest son of Mr and Mrs James Brown, of Kilmaure, Ayrshire, to Mary Frue, youngest daughter of the late David and Mrs Steel, of Strathaven, Lanarkshire. Present address: "Waterside," Coalgate. Press, 20 August 1917, Page 1 GOLDEN WEDDING. OSBORNE - JAMIESON — On August 20th, Prebbleton, by the Rev. John Campbell.Job son of George Osborne, Somersetshire, to Mary Robertson, daughter of William Jamieson, Lanarkshire. Press, 14 December 1926, Page 1 DIAMOND WEDDING. (60th) COLTHART — FULLERTON. On December ___ 1866, at the residence of Mr William D_man, Addington, by the Charles ____, Robert, son of William and late Janet Colhart, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Margaret, youngest daughter of Edward and Nancy Fullerton, Clougher, County Down, Ireland. Present adress: Sheffield. New Zealand Herald, 15 August 1938, Page 1 PLATINUM WEDDING (70th) HANNAH — FOSTER. On August 15, 1873, at 10 High Patrick Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire. Scotland, by late Rev. John McFarlane, William Hannah, to Agnes Foster. Present address: 80 Schoolhouse, Kopu, Thames. (Christchurch papers please copy.) Auckland Star, 11 April 1934, Page 12 ENGAGEMENTS ANNOUNCED The engagement is announced of Margaret, youngest daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. J. Brown, of Bargeddie, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to James Robertson, elder son of Mr. and the late Mrs. A. H. Wallace, of Glasgow, Scotland.

You can use http://www.freecen.org.uk to look up the family in the 1841 & 1851 census records. This site does not have the later census records transcribed. This should give you the names/ages of living children as of 1841/1851. A search in http://www.familysearch.org for children of Peter Smith & Jane Pollock gives only two official records. Peter Smith b 20 Dec 1837 Old Monkland Andrew Smith b 10 Jan 1840 Old Monkland User submitted tree records give the following additional children born in Old Monkland: Thomas b 1830 Robert b 1832 Agnes b 1834 Jane b 1841 Margaret b 1843 The 1851 census adds two additional children: Marion b 1845 Andrew b 1848 There does not seem to be records for these births in the Old Parish Records which is the main source for BMDs prior to 1855 in Scotland. This is usually due to lost records or a move by the family to one of the dissenting churches. To look for deaths and marriages after 1855 you should go to http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk which is the source for Scotland birth, marriage, death & census records and many others. It is a pay to view/download site, but the rates are very reasonable and the images are great. I should also point out that there is a partially documented family tree (Gibson Family) on ancestry.com for the family. Be careful as there are other poorly documented ones there also. Jo-Ann Croft By the On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Olwyn Whitehouse via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am not familiar with Scottish research. How do I find out if Thomas Smith > b. 1831 and Robert Pollock Smith b. 1833 have any other brothers and > sisters. > > Peter SMITH born: 28 Jun 1803, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Peter married Jane POLLOCK on 1 Jan 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, > Scotland. (Jane POLLOCK was born in 1807 in Scotland) > Who were their children? > >

I am not familiar with Scottish research. How do I find out if Thomas Smith b. 1831 and Robert Pollock Smith b. 1833 have any other brothers and sisters. Peter SMITH born: 28 Jun 1803, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Peter married Jane POLLOCK on 1 Jan 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland. (Jane POLLOCK was born in 1807 in Scotland) Who were their children? Thomas SMITH born in 1831, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Died: 26 June 1897, Waimate, NZ at age 66 Marriage: Jane AITKEN on 4 Dec. 1853 in Scotland. Jane was born on 27 Jun 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland and died on 19 May 1910 in Waimera, Otago, and was buried in Clinton Cemetery, NZ. Arrived in NZ in the Helenslee in 1863. Children John, Annabella, Jane all born in NZ. Robert Pollock-Smith was a native of Airdrie, Scotland. He died in NZ in 1916, aged 83. He was born in 1833. Came out to NZ twice. Married 25 Nov 1864 in Christchurch, NZ. to Elizabeth BURLEY. No children born in NZ. He came back c. 1875. No sign of a marriage in NZ to Janet Wards. http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/ward/thread/1200148 Seven children born in NZ: Ellen, Robert, James, Donald Brock Smith, Jane, Annabella Pollock Smith, Thomas Peter Smith. Thanks.

Nivard, I think you and Malcolm out to be given an honour by the Queen. After all, if Elton John can be given a BE or other for plunking on some piano keys and not singing all that great, your contributions to genealogy are more productive! Maisie. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 2:42 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Peter SMITH b 28 Jun 1803, Glasgow, Lanark, SCT. married Jane POLLOCK 1830. Looking for their children? Hi Olwyn I would start with the census A quick search for Robert SMITH born 1833 +/2 years finds two in the 1841 census , only one has a brother Thomas and he is 10 in 1841 Please note the 1841 does not have as much detail as later census The ages are rounded down to the nearest whole five for those above 16, birth places are either in county where enumerated (Y) or not in county where enumerated (N) Also bear in mind the transcript may have errors in and is itself a transcript of a transcript, the enumerator transcribed the household schedules onto the forms we have access to today and from which the transcripts are made The following does not prove its your family but suggests that it may be Name: Peter Smith Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: Calder Worky Gaspel Row Occupation: Furnace Man Parish Number: 652 Household Members: Name Age Peter Smith 40 furnace man N (not born in Lanarkshire) Jane Smith 30 Y Thomas Smith 10 Y Robert Smith 9 Y Agnes Smith 7 Y Peter Smith 4 Y Andrew Smith 1 Y Parish: Old Monkland; ED: 9; Page: 2; Line: 1030; Year: 1841 The easiest way to get the page image is to visit scotlandspeople, armed with the above it should cost you 6 credits The Robert above was according to the 1841 census, born in Lanarkshire I found nothing on either a Robert Pollock SMITH b1833 +/- 2 years anywhere (but he may have adopted the Pollock later) or a Robert SMITH b1833 +/- 2 years re Airdrie What appears to be the same family in 1851 Name: Peter Smith Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1804 Relationship: Head Spouse: Jane Smith Gender: Male Where born: Dundee Parish Number: 652 Civil Parish: Old Monkland Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Calder Iron Works County: Lanarkshire Address: 15 Bridge Row Occupation: Furnace Keeper ED: 21 Page: 3 Household schedule number: 8 LINE: 8 Roll: CSSCT1851_171 Household Members: Name Age Peter Smith 47 furnace keeper Dundee Jane Smith 44 wife of East Kelhark? Lanarkshire Thomas Smith 21 engine keeper Old Monkland Lanarkshire Albert Smith 13 assistant of furnace keeper Old Monkland Lanarkshire Agnes Smith 17 house servant Old Monkland Lanarkshire Jane Smith 10 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire Margaret Smith 8 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire Marion Smith 5 scholar Old Monkland Lanarkshire Andrew Smith 3 Old Monkland Lanarkshire Parish: Old Monkland; ED: 21; Page: 3; Line: 8; Roll: CSSCT1851_171; Year: 1851 There was a Robert SMITH aged 20 in the 1851 census but he is down as born Old Monkland an Iron stone miner You may find the baptisms for them on scotlandspeople also Given the times you may find there were other children born and died between the census I would urge you to get the page images for the census if the details marry up with your data, don't rely on the transcripts Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/12/2015 21:53, Olwyn Whitehouse via wrote: > I am not familiar with Scottish research. How do I find out if Thomas > Smith > b. 1831 and Robert Pollock Smith b. 1833 have any other brothers and > sisters. > > Peter SMITH born: 28 Jun 1803, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Peter married Jane POLLOCK on 1 Jan 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, > Scotland. (Jane POLLOCK was born in 1807 in Scotland) > Who were their children? > > Thomas SMITH born in 1831, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Died: 26 > June 1897, Waimate, NZ at age 66 > Marriage: Jane AITKEN on 4 Dec. 1853 in Scotland. Jane was born on 27 Jun > 1830 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland and died on 19 May 1910 in > Waimera, Otago, and was buried in Clinton Cemetery, NZ. Arrived in NZ in > the Helenslee in 1863. > Children John, Annabella, Jane all born in NZ. > > Robert Pollock-Smith was a native of Airdrie, Scotland. He died in NZ in > 1916, aged 83. He was born in 1833. Came out to NZ twice. Married 25 Nov > 1864 in Christchurch, NZ. to Elizabeth BURLEY. No children born in NZ. He > came back c. 1875. No sign of a marriage in NZ to Janet Wards. > http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/ward/thread/1200148 > Seven children born in NZ: Ellen, Robert, James, Donald Brock Smith, > Jane, Annabella Pollock Smith, Thomas Peter Smith. > > Thanks. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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