Hi Glasgow has a history of tobacco and cotton. > > http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/lost-glasgow-the-tobacco-lords-1-3610853 Ella Ross

Hi Maisie and List, Royal Bank wasn't in the building now housing GPMA in the middle of Royal Exchange Sq. Since at least the 1950s (perhaps earleir) to the 1980s that building was occupied by the Stirling Library at ground level and the Commercial Library in the basement. During that period the library was run by the City Council's Libraries. In the 1980's the basement was occupied by Arts organisations like Mayfest and the Jazz Festival. The Royal Bank fronted on to Buchanan Street with a rear entrance in the colonnaded facade looking on to Royal Exchange Square. In the 1960s (possibly earlier too) the rear entrance was the security entrance for the bank's large-scale cash movements in and out of the building, so public access was from Buchanan Street. Somewhere online there will be a history of these buildings. I'm nearly sure the GOMA building started life as a merchant's very grand house, but it's late here now, so that research will have to wait for another day. Ken On 23/12/2015 23:30, Maisie Egger via wrote: > Oops! Apologies to the list for failing to delete the Lanark address with > some personal comments when replying to Ella . It could have been worse > than to call someone an idiot because of his political point of view > (counter to mine, of course!). > > As an office girl in Glasgow in the 1940-50s, I knew Glasgow inside and out > as I had to deliver legal correspondence to many businesses in the city > including what was then the Royal Bank of Scotland but now the GoMa - > Glasgow Modern Art Museum in Royal Exchange Square. > > Many changes in Glasgow, and as the saying goes, you can't go back. > > Maisie > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4489/11240 - Release Date: 12/23/15 > >

Unless I am going totally and absolutely dippy, I was sure that the Royal Bank of Scotland was located in Royal Exchange Square in the 1940s as I know that I would deliver mail there for the solicitor for whom I worked as a wee office lassie. The following backs up my memories, thank goodness. ::: In 1954 Stirling's Library removed once again, to the Royal Exchange on Queen Street. It was moved back to Miller Street in 1994 to allow for the building's conversion into the Gallery of Modern Art. The library returned to the basement of the Royal Exchange building (previously occupied by the Commercial Library) as the Library at GOMA in 2002 ::: http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image/?inum=TGSA00860 When I returned home for a visit years later I discovered that the Royal Bank of Scotland had, in between times, latterly been 'displaced' by the GoMA (Modern Art Museum). I have an account with the Royal Bank of Scotland, now in the Gordon Street branch, Glasgow. I should add that the RBS h.q. in Edinburgh threatened to move to London in the event of a YES vote to split Scotland from the rest of the U.K. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Bank_of_Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Ken Mathieson via Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 5:24 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow Hi Maisie and List, Royal Bank wasn't in the building now housing GPMA in the middle of Royal Exchange Sq. Since at least the 1950s (perhaps earleir) to the 1980s that building was occupied by the Stirling Library at ground level and the Commercial Library in the basement. During that period the library was run by the City Council's Libraries. In the 1980's the basement was occupied by Arts organisations like Mayfest and the Jazz Festival. The Royal Bank fronted on to Buchanan Street with a rear entrance in the colonnaded facade looking on to Royal Exchange Square. In the 1960s (possibly earlier too) the rear entrance was the security entrance for the bank's large-scale cash movements in and out of the building, so public access was from Buchanan Street. Somewhere online there will be a history of these buildings. I'm nearly sure the GOMA building started life as a merchant's very grand house, but it's late here now, so that research will have to wait for another day. Ken

Oops! Apologies to the list for failing to delete the Lanark address with some personal comments when replying to Ella . It could have been worse than to call someone an idiot because of his political point of view (counter to mine, of course!). As an office girl in Glasgow in the 1940-50s, I knew Glasgow inside and out as I had to deliver legal correspondence to many businesses in the city including what was then the Royal Bank of Scotland but now the GoMa - Glasgow Modern Art Museum in Royal Exchange Square. Many changes in Glasgow, and as the saying goes, you can't go back. Maisie

Thanks for posting this to the list, Ella. My grand-nephew has been sending me a few on Lost Edinburgh on Facebook as well as another collection All About Scotland, I think. They are a bit dated, but of my era, so that I'm at hame wi' them! Sometimes I get a twinge of homesickness but it's futile as just about everyone is gone, with only a brother and his daughter left in the Glasgow area, then a Scottish nationalst 'idiot' cousin in Larkhall, and that's about the extent of it. I have nieces and a nephew in the Lothians. but they were born and brought up in Glasgow before my sisters, their husbands and my mother moved to East Lothian as part of Glasgow's overspill. Only my mother went back to Glasgow when she was 84 to stay with my brother for eight years before she died. My brother's wife deserved a medal for taking care of for so long. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: ebbtide.i via Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:27 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow Hi Glasgow has a history of tobacco and cotton. > > http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/lost-glasgow-the-tobacco-lords-1-3610853 Ella Ross ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some bits and dabs about Robert Burns, Scotland's national bard. There is a most interesting Robert Burns room in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow. Traditionally, around January 25, thousands gather from one end of the globe to the other to join together to honour Robert Burns on his birthday and to enjoy some sangs and clatter. For those in the Land o’ Cakes, you are encouraged to attend any Burns Nights in or near your area, or make the special (short trip from Glasgow) to attend special events sponsored by the Robert Burns World Federation around Ayr, as an example, or by local organisations, masonic or otherwise. http://www.burnsmuseum.org.uk/index.php/whats-on-whats-going-on The following observation by Robert Burns made me smile a little, especially during the political presidential debates in the USA at this time. The whole stanza is from a poem written by Burns on the occasion of the birth of his ill-begotten child, whom his wife Jean Armour reared along with her own baby at the time: What tho’ they ca’ me fornicator, (ca’ – call) An’ tease my name in kintry clatter: (kintry clatter – country noise) The mair they talk I’m kent the better, (mair – more: kent – known) E’en let them clash; (clash – tattle) An auld wife’s tongue’s a feckless matter (feckless – weak) To gie ane fash. (ane – one: fash - irritate – annoy – trouble) Maisie

Is anyone researching this part of the CLUGGIE / FORSYTH family? James Cluggie and Margaret Forsyth, may or not, have married, Margaret was born c 1866, Stow Midlothian. Her Mother was Janet DODDS , Father Thomas FORSYTH. Children; Isabella Forsyth; born c 1889, in Glasgow. Married Robert BROWN , 1912, in Stow, Midlothian. James Cluggie; born 1898, died in Glasgow, 1933. Matthew born 1901 in Glasgow. Mary

In my family there are a number of females with male names, so it is not all that uncommon. My ggg Grandmother was baptised James, recorded on a number of Census as female James, but was registered as Jemima when the Death Certificate was written. Ian Scott Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess via Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2015 2:24 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Got thrown for a LOOP! > Subject: Got thrown for a LOOP! > on this MATTHEW McCAW, b 1787, Girvan, Ayr, who was FEMALE, later > referred to as MARTHA! > Guess they were worried they would not have a MALE heir! Much more likely that the clerk just misheard the name of the child. Anne ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Subject: Got thrown for a LOOP! > on this MATTHEW McCAW, b 1787, Girvan, Ayr, who was FEMALE, > later > referred to as MARTHA! > Guess they were worried they would not have a MALE heir! Much more likely that the clerk just misheard the name of the child. Anne

> It's interesting that there were few if any Gaelic names among > your list > 'back then.' I noticed that, and I searched the pre-1855 index for all the Gaelic names I could think of. Before 1854 there were one Iain, one Mairi, one Marsali and two Dughalls. Not one single Catriona, Eachan, Seumas, Ulilleam, Eildih, Mairead, Alasdair, Uisdean, Morag, Seoras, Ealasaidh, Sine, Ruaraidh/Ruairidh, Murchadh, Domhnall, Raonull, Raibeart or Donn(a)chadh. So were no registers kept in the Gaelic-speaking areas, or have none of the registers survived, or were the clerks were obliged to record baptisms using the anglicised versions of the names? Anne

I have two sisters both christened Christina. One was Auntie Kate or Kathy (yes, spelled with the K rather than C), the other Auntie Chrissie. It helps to find their ancestors, though, as this tends to be caused by the naming patterns. Regards Edward On 18 December 2015 at 15:04, Ken Thompson via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > My wife, a Fleming with roots in Lanarkshire by way of Pictou Nova Scotia, > has many Alexanders aka Sandies in her lineage, often 2 or more in the same > generation, in relatively close proximity. Have to wonder what unofficial > nicknames were used, to keep it all straight? Ken Thompson > Silver Lake, OH > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- *Edward*

> My wife, a Fleming with roots in Lanarkshire by way of Pictou > Nova Scotia, has many Alexanders aka Sandies in her lineage, > often 2 or more in the same generation, in relatively close > proximity. Have to wonder what unofficial nicknames were > used, to keep it all straight? Ken Thompson > Silver Lake, OH Al, Alasdair, Alec, Alex, Alick, Allister, Aly, Eck, Ecky, Sandy, Sawny, Zander .... Anne

My wife, a Fleming with roots in Lanarkshire by way of Pictou Nova Scotia, has many Alexanders aka Sandies in her lineage, often 2 or more in the same generation, in relatively close proximity.  Have to wonder what unofficial nicknames were used, to keep it all straight? Ken Thompson Silver Lake, OH

When my brother was born in 1943, the only son of a long line of Peter-William-Peter-Williams, he was called Peter after our father and Russell after an uncle who was at war in the Pacific, breaking with the naming tradition. The "hold a grudge" gene in the family, didn't get over that for a whole year. Sometimes the naming tradition can be a great help, and other times, very confusing. Merry Christmas to you all, and happy hunting for the New Year. Jeannette On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Anne, > > Thanks for stepping back a few generations in naming patterns. > > Of the names you have listed, I have more than a few named in my family > named Margaret, Mary, Elizabeth, Agnes, Catherine, Helen (Ellen), Sarah. > There were a couple that caught my eye as being quite different (for women, > i.e.), Nicholas and Gordon. Nowadays it is very difficult to tell by first > names whether it is a female or male child with many being given surnames > as > a first name. > > Among the male names I have more than a few named John, James, William in > the top tier and not bucking the naming trend; however, it was very > inconsiderate of my forebears to be less creative! > > It's interesting that there were few if any Gaelic names among your list > 'back then.' > > Maisie > > > > > > From: Anne Burgess via > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:27 AM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Ranking of first names in Scotland > > The GROS published a booklet in 1991 listing the most popular > given names. > > Of the top ten girls' names in 1858, only Elizabeth, Catherine > and Helen were still in the top 100 in 1990. Sarah was 15th in > 1858 and 3rd in 1990. The 'missing' ones are probably Margaret, > Mary, Isabella, Jane/Jean, Janet, Agnes and Ann. > > Out of curiosity, I searched the SP index for various given > names from 1800 to 1854, and found the top ten were > Margaret and variants 150,502 > Mary 129,381 > Jean/Jane and variants 114,529 > Jan(n)et 103,122 > Ann and variants 100,538 > Elizabeth and variants 100,883 > Isabella and variants 71,930 > Agnes 57,232 > Catherine/Katherine and variants 52,910 > Helen and variants 52,609 > Christina and variants 33,345 > Others that may be of interest > Sara(h) 11,324 > Jessie 9,358 > Susan and variants 7,441 > If I've missed one, please point her out to me! > > Boys' names are much less affected by the vagaries of fashion. > The top ten in 1858 were all still in the top 100 in 1990 > 1 John (8th in 1990) [228,060 in 1800-1854] > 2 James (7th) [188,557] > 3 William (22nd) [169,596] > 4 Alexander (34th) [104,172] > 5 Robert (18th) [91,471] > 6 George (68th) [65,334] > 7 David (1st) [58,224] > 8 Thomas (24th) [58,763] > 9 Andrew (5th) [34,794] > 10 Charles (88th) [19,943] > > Anne > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

They just want to give us the "run-around", I guess! R -----Original Message----- From: Ian Scott via Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 2:28 PM To: 'Anne Burgess' ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Got thrown for a LOOP! In my family there are a number of females with male names, so it is not all that uncommon. My ggg Grandmother was baptised James, recorded on a number of Census as female James, but was registered as Jemima when the Death Certificate was written. Ian Scott Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess via Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2015 2:24 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: Got thrown for a LOOP! > Subject: Got thrown for a LOOP! > on this MATTHEW McCAW, b 1787, Girvan, Ayr, who was FEMALE, later > referred to as MARTHA! > Guess they were worried they would not have a MALE heir! Much more likely that the clerk just misheard the name of the child. Anne ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: Got thrown for a LOOP! on this MATTHEW McCAW, b 1787, Girvan, Ayr, who was FEMALE, later referred to as MARTHA! ( married , & had children ) Guess they were worried they would not have a MALE heir!! Ruth

Anne, Thanks for stepping back a few generations in naming patterns. Of the names you have listed, I have more than a few named in my family named Margaret, Mary, Elizabeth, Agnes, Catherine, Helen (Ellen), Sarah. There were a couple that caught my eye as being quite different (for women, i.e.), Nicholas and Gordon. Nowadays it is very difficult to tell by first names whether it is a female or male child with many being given surnames as a first name. Among the male names I have more than a few named John, James, William in the top tier and not bucking the naming trend; however, it was very inconsiderate of my forebears to be less creative! It's interesting that there were few if any Gaelic names among your list 'back then.' Maisie From: Anne Burgess via Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:27 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Ranking of first names in Scotland The GROS published a booklet in 1991 listing the most popular given names. Of the top ten girls' names in 1858, only Elizabeth, Catherine and Helen were still in the top 100 in 1990. Sarah was 15th in 1858 and 3rd in 1990. The 'missing' ones are probably Margaret, Mary, Isabella, Jane/Jean, Janet, Agnes and Ann. Out of curiosity, I searched the SP index for various given names from 1800 to 1854, and found the top ten were Margaret and variants 150,502 Mary 129,381 Jean/Jane and variants 114,529 Jan(n)et 103,122 Ann and variants 100,538 Elizabeth and variants 100,883 Isabella and variants 71,930 Agnes 57,232 Catherine/Katherine and variants 52,910 Helen and variants 52,609 Christina and variants 33,345 Others that may be of interest Sara(h) 11,324 Jessie 9,358 Susan and variants 7,441 If I've missed one, please point her out to me! Boys' names are much less affected by the vagaries of fashion. The top ten in 1858 were all still in the top 100 in 1990 1 John (8th in 1990) [228,060 in 1800-1854] 2 James (7th) [188,557] 3 William (22nd) [169,596] 4 Alexander (34th) [104,172] 5 Robert (18th) [91,471] 6 George (68th) [65,334] 7 David (1st) [58,224] 8 Thomas (24th) [58,763] 9 Andrew (5th) [34,794] 10 Charles (88th) [19,943] Anne

The GROS published a booklet in 1991 listing the most popular given names. Of the top ten girls' names in 1858, only Elizabeth, Catherine and Helen were still in the top 100 in 1990. Sarah was 15th in 1858 and 3rd in 1990. The 'missing' ones are probably Margaret, Mary, Isabella, Jane/Jean, Janet, Agnes and Ann. Out of curiosity, I searched the SP index for various given names from 1800 to 1854, and found the top ten were Margaret and variants 150,502 Mary 129,381 Jean/Jane and variants 114,529 Jan(n)et 103,122 Ann and variants 100,538 Elizabeth and variants 100,883 Isabella and variants 71,930 Agnes 57,232 Catherine/Katherine and variants 52,910 Helen and variants 52,609 Christina and variants 33,345 Others that may be of interest Sara(h) 11,324 Jessie 9,358 Susan and variants 7,441 If I've missed one, please point her out to me! Boys' names are much less affected by the vagaries of fashion. The top ten in 1858 were all still in the top 100 in 1990 1 John (8th in 1990) [228,060 in 1800-1854] 2 James (7th) [188,557] 3 William (22nd) [169,596] 4 Alexander (34th) [104,172] 5 Robert (18th) [91,471] 6 George (68th) [65,334] 7 David (1st) [58,224] 8 Thomas (24th) [58,763] 9 Andrew (5th) [34,794] 10 Charles (88th) [19,943] Anne

I commend you on your diligence! Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess via Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:27 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Ranking of first names in Scotland The GROS published a booklet in 1991 listing the most popular given names. Of the top ten girls' names in 1858, only Elizabeth, Catherine and Helen were still in the top 100 in 1990. Sarah was 15th in 1858 and 3rd in 1990. The 'missing' ones are probably Margaret, Mary, Isabella, Jane/Jean, Janet, Agnes and Ann. Out of curiosity, I searched the SP index for various given names from 1800 to 1854, and found the top ten were Margaret and variants 150,502 Mary 129,381 Jean/Jane and variants 114,529 Jan(n)et 103,122 Ann and variants 100,538 Elizabeth and variants 100,883 Isabella and variants 71,930 Agnes 57,232 Catherine/Katherine and variants 52,910 Helen and variants 52,609 Christina and variants 33,345 Others that may be of interest Sara(h) 11,324 Jessie 9,358 Susan and variants 7,441 If I've missed one, please point her out to me! Boys' names are much less affected by the vagaries of fashion. The top ten in 1858 were all still in the top 100 in 1990 1 John (8th in 1990) [228,060 in 1800-1854] 2 James (7th) [188,557] 3 William (22nd) [169,596] 4 Alexander (34th) [104,172] 5 Robert (18th) [91,471] 6 George (68th) [65,334] 7 David (1st) [58,224] 8 Thomas (24th) [58,763] 9 Andrew (5th) [34,794] 10 Charles (88th) [19,943] Anne ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-s-most-popular-baby-names-of-2015-1-3978207 No coined name on the lists that I could detect, so there’s hope for the family tree climbers years hence. One positive of the ‘sectarian’ names chosen is it will make it easier years hence that a genealogy researcher doesn’t have to sift through umpteen generations with the same names and surnames. I have so many by the name of William, John, Agnes and Sarah that I wonder if it was mandatory that the ‘begetters’ had to so name their children. Mary is too much a favourite name in my family too, even two sisters-in-law are named Mary, a niece and grand-niece. Well, it could be worse, it could be some multi-syllabic coined name with no rhyme or reason to it! Mary (aka Maisie)