For those with Irish blood coursing through their veins: From Sigma Xi SmartBriefs Top Story Whole-DNA study traces origins of the Irish Ancient people from the Middle East and what's now Eastern Europe are the early ancestors of the Irish, according to a whole-genome analysis. Scientists used DNA from a 5,000-year-old woman found near Belfast and a trio of men between 3,000 and 4,000 years old buried on an offshore Irish island. "It is clear that this project has demonstrated what a powerful tool ancient DNA analysis can provide in answering questions which have long perplexed academics regarding the origins of the Irish," said Eileen Murphy, co-author of the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The Guardian (London) (12/28) Maisie

Thanks Nivard, that transcription fits in great with other information. I cannot read the last two words of his occupation, but 'water works' it is ! Oh No ! That will set me off on another mission !....Where was the water works, or there any photos of it, are there any photos of staff ??? Thanks again Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington via" <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Help with 1861 Transcription > Hi Andrew > > The findmypast transcript gives his occupation as sarveyer corporation > water works > > So most likely surveyor > > If you want to send a copy I will gladly take a look at it > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 28/12/2015 21:12, Andrew McCletchie via wrote: >> Hello again all, >> >> I am having trouble reading GGG GF's profession in the 1861 Census. >> >> Does anyone want to have a go at reading it, and I will send the image ? >> >> John McCletchie was at 209 New City Road, St Georges at the time, and at >> his death 3 years later his occupation was given as Water Surveyor, so it >> has something to do with this and the Glasgow Corporation, I think. >> >> Cheers >> >> Andrew > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milngavie_water_treatment_works Andrew, for all the time I lived in Glasgow the Glasgow Waterworks were in Milngavie (pronounced MilGUY from the Gaelic, no doubt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milngavie ) If you go to Google re Milngavie, it might help you with photos, etc. Of course, I could be leading you astray and maybe your forebear worked in a small local waterworks...but again, Milngavie was the main waterworks for Glasgow. I should add that Milngavie and Bearsden are rather 'nice' communities and we used to make fun of any hoity toity people by saying that they came from MilnGAVIE, instead of the common pronunciation MilGUY. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Andrew McCletchie via Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:06 AM To: Nivard Ovington ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Help with 1861 Transcription Thanks Nivard, that transcription fits in great with other information. I cannot read the last two words of his occupation, but 'water works' it is ! Oh No ! That will set me off on another mission !....Where was the water works, or there any photos of it, are there any photos of staff ??? Thanks again Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington via" <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Help with 1861 Transcription > Hi Andrew > > The findmypast transcript gives his occupation as sarveyer corporation > water works > > So most likely surveyor > > If you want to send a copy I will gladly take a look at it > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 28/12/2015 21:12, Andrew McCletchie via wrote: >> Hello again all, >> >> I am having trouble reading GGG GF's profession in the 1861 Census. >> >> Does anyone want to have a go at reading it, and I will send the image ? >> >> John McCletchie was at 209 New City Road, St Georges at the time, and at >> his death 3 years later his occupation was given as Water Surveyor, so it >> has something to do with this and the Glasgow Corporation, I think. >> >> Cheers >> >> Andrew > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andrew The findmypast transcript gives his occupation as sarveyer corporation water works So most likely surveyor If you want to send a copy I will gladly take a look at it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/12/2015 21:12, Andrew McCletchie via wrote: > Hello again all, > > I am having trouble reading GGG GF's profession in the 1861 Census. > > Does anyone want to have a go at reading it, and I will send the image ? > > John McCletchie was at 209 New City Road, St Georges at the time, and at his death 3 years later his occupation was given as Water Surveyor, so it has something to do with this and the Glasgow Corporation, I think. > > Cheers > > Andrew --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Auld Lang Syne: An absolute treat sung by the celebrated Norwegian singer, Sissel. http://biggeekdad.com/2011/01/happy-new-year/ No, not genealogy pertaining to the list, but an indication of how Robert Burns’ Auld Lang Syne has reached around the world and not just in such as Glasgow where Hogmanay/Ne’erday is still one of the most important holidays in the Land o’ Cakes. New Year would not be New Year if we did not join hands together -- And there’s a hand, my trusty fiere! (friend) and gie's a hand o’ thine! And we’ll tak' a right gude-willie waught, (goodwill draught of wine, or...) for auld lang syne. Maisie

I'll have a go, if you want to send me the image.Bob Elliott On Monday, December 28, 2015 4:07 PM, Andrew McCletchie via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello again all, I am having trouble reading GGG GF's profession in the 1861 Census. Does anyone want to have a go at reading it, and I will send the image ? John McCletchie was at 209 New City Road, St Georges at the time, and at his death 3 years later his occupation was given as Water Surveyor, so it has something to do with this and the Glasgow Corporation, I think. Cheers Andrew   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again all, I am having trouble reading GGG GF's profession in the 1861 Census. Does anyone want to have a go at reading it, and I will send the image ? John McCletchie was at 209 New City Road, St Georges at the time, and at his death 3 years later his occupation was given as Water Surveyor, so it has something to do with this and the Glasgow Corporation, I think. Cheers Andrew

I can recall living as a child at my grandparents' house on Shannon Street, Toronto, Canada.  I was 4 at the time, but the memory still remains.  At midnight people opened their front doors, went out onto their porches and wished everyone a Happy New Year!  There were shouts of well-wishing - "Health, wealth & happiness for the New Year.  Sadly, when I visited my grandparents some 6 years later that custom had fizzled out.  Too bad :-(  It was a "mixed" neighborhood, with Poles, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Christians including several Orthodox families, Scots, Irish, and Lord only knows what else ;-)  What was nice is that everyone participated, and if someone didn't they were asked the next day, "What happened to you?".  Now it's as quiet as a church mouse...the police would probably come in to see who was disturbing the peace ;-) Cliff. On Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:12 AM, Jeannette Walton via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks for this message, Maisie, and the words I learned from my "Faither".  Best wishes to all. Jeannette On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > To all: > > A Guid New Year . > > > http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-s-hogmanay-origins-and-traditions-1-3984218 > > Miss those great Hogmanay parties at my parents’ house, with friends and > neighbours welcome.  My mother played the piano, my father whistled like a > (linty) professional whistler, whilst brothers, sisters and neighbours did > their party pieces...then it was off in the wee hours of Hogmanay by my > brothers and their bottles to first foot.  We visited my friends, > grandmother and aunt at a more respectable hour the next day...sometimes > hoofing it if there was black ice on the ground and the buses either didn’t > run or were skittering all over the place. > > Time and change as I believe parties at home  are a thing of the past. > Hugely commercial enterprises are afoot in Glasgow and Edinburgh, as > examples, where you have to buy a ticket to attend, I believe. > > Whatever happened to the happy crowds who would gather at Glasgow Cross at > the bottom of High Street leading on to Argyle Street?  The High Street > Cross clock would toll out the time as the crowds waited in anticipation, > then there would be singing and dancing as people sang Auld Lang Syne. > Little did Robert Burns know that the words for his song would be sung > around the world as the Old Year gave way to the New Year.  To be followed > A Guid New Year tae Ane an’ A’:  (Some of the words could be different.  It > depends upon who copied them online.) > > Should Auld Acquaintance > > Should auld acquaintance be forgot, > And never brought to mind? > Should auld acquaintance be forgot, > And auld lang syne. > > Chorus: > > For auld lang syne, my jo, > For auld lang syne, > We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, > For auld lang syne, > > And surely ye'll be your pint-stowp! > And surely I'll be mine! > And we'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, > For auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > We twa hae run about the braes > And pu'd the gowans fine; > But we've wander'd mony a weary foot > Sin auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > We twa hae paidl'd i' the burn, > Frae mornin' sun till dine; > But seas between us braid hae roar'd > Sin’ auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > And there's a hand, my trusty fiere! > And gie's a hand o' thine! > And we'll tak a right guid willy waught, > For auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > Then --- > > > > A Guid New Year Tae Ane an’ A’ > > > > A Guid New Year to Ane An’ > > A guid new year to ane an a’ > An mony may ye see, > An during a the years to come, > O happy may ye be. > An may ye ne'er hae cause to mourn, > To sigh or shed a tear; > To ane an a’ baith great an sma’ > A hearty guid New year. > > Chorus > A guid new year to ane an a > An mony may ye see, > An during a the years to come, > O happy may ye be. > > O time flies past, he winna wait, > My friend for you or me, > He works his wonders day by day, > And onward still doth flee. > > > > Chorus > > O wha can tell when ilka ane, > I see sae happy here, > Will meet again and merry be > Anither guid New year. > > > Chorus > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. 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Hi Maisie When I was visiting Scotland I was told the New Year was not the same. We were so lucky to have those wonderful times when it was open hoose. At New Year do's here people say such as "Is it midnight yet". No doubt in our young days when the church bells and ships bells all rang out in unison. You are forgiven for not mentioning the Gallowgate where I was born!! Cheers Ella > On 27 Dec 2015, at 17:04, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > To all: > > A Guid New Year . > > http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-s-hogmanay-origins-and-traditions-1-3984218 > > Miss those great Hogmanay parties at my parents’ house, with friends and neighbours welcome. My mother played the piano, my father whistled like a (linty) professional whistler, whilst brothers, sisters and neighbours did their party pieces...then it was off in the wee hours of Hogmanay by my brothers and their bottles to first foot. We visited my friends, grandmother and aunt at a more respectable hour the next day...sometimes hoofing it if there was black ice on the ground and the buses either didn’t run or were skittering all over the place. > > Time and change as I believe parties at home are a thing of the past. Hugely commercial enterprises are afoot in Glasgow and Edinburgh, as examples, where you have to buy a ticket to attend, I believe. > > Whatever happened to the happy crowds who would gather at Glasgow Cross at the bottom of High Street leading on to Argyle Street? The High Street Cross clock would toll out the time as the crowds waited in anticipation, then there would be singing and dancing as people sang Auld Lang Syne. Little did Robert Burns know that the words for his song would be sung around the world as the Old Year gave way to the New Year. To be followed A Guid New Year tae Ane an’ A’: (Some of the words could be different. It depends upon who copied them online.) > > Should Auld Acquaintance > > Should auld acquaintance be forgot, > And never brought to mind? > Should auld acquaintance be forgot, > And auld lang syne. > > Chorus: > > For auld lang syne, my jo, > For auld lang syne, > We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, > For auld lang syne, > > And surely ye'll be your pint-stowp! > And surely I'll be mine! > And we'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, > For auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > We twa hae run about the braes > And pu'd the gowans fine; > But we've wander'd mony a weary foot > Sin auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > We twa hae paidl'd i' the burn, > Frae mornin' sun till dine; > But seas between us braid hae roar'd > Sin’ auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > And there's a hand, my trusty fiere! > And gie's a hand o' thine! > And we'll tak a right guid willy waught, > For auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > Then --- > > > > A Guid New Year Tae Ane an’ A’ > > > > A Guid New Year to Ane An’ > > A guid new year to ane an a’ > An mony may ye see, > An during a the years to come, > O happy may ye be. > An may ye ne'er hae cause to mourn, > To sigh or shed a tear; > To ane an a’ baith great an sma’ > A hearty guid New year. > > Chorus > A guid new year to ane an a > An mony may ye see, > An during a the years to come, > O happy may ye be. > > O time flies past, he winna wait, > My friend for you or me, > He works his wonders day by day, > And onward still doth flee. > > > > Chorus > > O wha can tell when ilka ane, > I see sae happy here, > Will meet again and merry be > Anither guid New year. > > > Chorus > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeanette or anyone else I wonder if you can help out with my problem. I have James Forrest who married Janet McIntyre (parents William McIntyre & Janet Lang) in Dumbarton in 1777. I thought that I had found James' parents from a death of James Forrest in Dumbarton in 1793. I looked as his testament and this James' father was John Forrest, a mason, in Hamilton. Checking parish records, this James was born in 1741 to John Forrest and Margaret Bishop. However, in the testament James' wife was stated as AGNUS McIntyre not JANET. I could not find a marriage anywhere for Agnus McIntyre and James Forrest, nor any children born to them. I wondered if it could it be a error or 2nd marriage . There didn't seem to be any other James Forrest in Dumbarton at the time of suitable age. James and Janet McIntyre had 5 sons, the eldest named John (after his father's father) and the second William (after his mother's father), the only daughter, I have found is Janet (after her mother's mother) following the accepted naming pattern. There were 3 Forrest boys in later generations who migrated to Australia if you are interested Judy Jeannette Walton sent Thanks for all the transcription regarding New Zealand. I'm still looking for my FORRESTS from Hamilton area, Lanarkshire. Family story tells me that Alexander Forrest arrived N.Z. about 1864, sent for his wife and family of nine to join him. When they arrived at the docks and saw the ship that would take them, some of the older ones said "no way" and stayed in Scotland. I am descended from the only son of that family who stayed. All others have history in the Otago and Oamaru areas. Jeannette ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for this message, Maisie, and the words I learned from my "Faither". Best wishes to all. Jeannette On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > To all: > > A Guid New Year . > > > http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-s-hogmanay-origins-and-traditions-1-3984218 > > Miss those great Hogmanay parties at my parents’ house, with friends and > neighbours welcome. My mother played the piano, my father whistled like a > (linty) professional whistler, whilst brothers, sisters and neighbours did > their party pieces...then it was off in the wee hours of Hogmanay by my > brothers and their bottles to first foot. We visited my friends, > grandmother and aunt at a more respectable hour the next day...sometimes > hoofing it if there was black ice on the ground and the buses either didn’t > run or were skittering all over the place. > > Time and change as I believe parties at home are a thing of the past. > Hugely commercial enterprises are afoot in Glasgow and Edinburgh, as > examples, where you have to buy a ticket to attend, I believe. > > Whatever happened to the happy crowds who would gather at Glasgow Cross at > the bottom of High Street leading on to Argyle Street? The High Street > Cross clock would toll out the time as the crowds waited in anticipation, > then there would be singing and dancing as people sang Auld Lang Syne. > Little did Robert Burns know that the words for his song would be sung > around the world as the Old Year gave way to the New Year. To be followed > A Guid New Year tae Ane an’ A’: (Some of the words could be different. It > depends upon who copied them online.) > > Should Auld Acquaintance > > Should auld acquaintance be forgot, > And never brought to mind? > Should auld acquaintance be forgot, > And auld lang syne. > > Chorus: > > For auld lang syne, my jo, > For auld lang syne, > We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, > For auld lang syne, > > And surely ye'll be your pint-stowp! > And surely I'll be mine! > And we'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, > For auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > We twa hae run about the braes > And pu'd the gowans fine; > But we've wander'd mony a weary foot > Sin auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > We twa hae paidl'd i' the burn, > Frae mornin' sun till dine; > But seas between us braid hae roar'd > Sin’ auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > And there's a hand, my trusty fiere! > And gie's a hand o' thine! > And we'll tak a right guid willy waught, > For auld lang syne. > > Chorus > > Then --- > > > > A Guid New Year Tae Ane an’ A’ > > > > A Guid New Year to Ane An’ > > A guid new year to ane an a’ > An mony may ye see, > An during a the years to come, > O happy may ye be. > An may ye ne'er hae cause to mourn, > To sigh or shed a tear; > To ane an a’ baith great an sma’ > A hearty guid New year. > > Chorus > A guid new year to ane an a > An mony may ye see, > An during a the years to come, > O happy may ye be. > > O time flies past, he winna wait, > My friend for you or me, > He works his wonders day by day, > And onward still doth flee. > > > > Chorus > > O wha can tell when ilka ane, > I see sae happy here, > Will meet again and merry be > Anither guid New year. > > > Chorus > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all: A Guid New Year . http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-s-hogmanay-origins-and-traditions-1-3984218 Miss those great Hogmanay parties at my parents’ house, with friends and neighbours welcome. My mother played the piano, my father whistled like a (linty) professional whistler, whilst brothers, sisters and neighbours did their party pieces...then it was off in the wee hours of Hogmanay by my brothers and their bottles to first foot. We visited my friends, grandmother and aunt at a more respectable hour the next day...sometimes hoofing it if there was black ice on the ground and the buses either didn’t run or were skittering all over the place. Time and change as I believe parties at home are a thing of the past. Hugely commercial enterprises are afoot in Glasgow and Edinburgh, as examples, where you have to buy a ticket to attend, I believe. Whatever happened to the happy crowds who would gather at Glasgow Cross at the bottom of High Street leading on to Argyle Street? The High Street Cross clock would toll out the time as the crowds waited in anticipation, then there would be singing and dancing as people sang Auld Lang Syne. Little did Robert Burns know that the words for his song would be sung around the world as the Old Year gave way to the New Year. To be followed A Guid New Year tae Ane an’ A’: (Some of the words could be different. It depends upon who copied them online.) Should Auld Acquaintance Should auld acquaintance be forgot, And never brought to mind? Should auld acquaintance be forgot, And auld lang syne. Chorus: For auld lang syne, my jo, For auld lang syne, We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, For auld lang syne, And surely ye'll be your pint-stowp! And surely I'll be mine! And we'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, For auld lang syne. Chorus We twa hae run about the braes And pu'd the gowans fine; But we've wander'd mony a weary foot Sin auld lang syne. Chorus We twa hae paidl'd i' the burn, Frae mornin' sun till dine; But seas between us braid hae roar'd Sin’ auld lang syne. Chorus And there's a hand, my trusty fiere! And gie's a hand o' thine! And we'll tak a right guid willy waught, For auld lang syne. Chorus Then --- A Guid New Year Tae Ane an’ A’ A Guid New Year to Ane An’ A guid new year to ane an a’ An mony may ye see, An during a the years to come, O happy may ye be. An may ye ne'er hae cause to mourn, To sigh or shed a tear; To ane an a’ baith great an sma’ A hearty guid New year. Chorus A guid new year to ane an a An mony may ye see, An during a the years to come, O happy may ye be. O time flies past, he winna wait, My friend for you or me, He works his wonders day by day, And onward still doth flee. Chorus O wha can tell when ilka ane, I see sae happy here, Will meet again and merry be Anither guid New year. Chorus

This link from the Scotsman today confirms the presence of an RBS in the square during 1939-45! > > http://www.scotsman.com/news/plan-to-smuggle-gold-out-of-scotland-after-nazi-invasion-1-3979273 > >

Not that I would dare to say I told you so, but I most distinctly would deliver my solicitor boss's letters to the RBS when it was right there in that colonnaded building in Royal Exchange Square. This link, as you say, confirms that the RBS was there at least between 1939-45. I was a wee office lassie for that particular solicitor's office from when I left school in 1944 through 1945. Cannae tell people anythin', so ye cannae! Thanks for submitting the link to the Lanark site, Julia. I had debated about it when I saw the article, but let it pass. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: julia kenny via Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:09 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] RBS in Royal Exchange Square! This link from the Scotsman today confirms the presence of an RBS in the square during 1939-45! > > http://www.scotsman.com/news/plan-to-smuggle-gold-out-of-scotland-after-nazi-invasion-1-3979273 > > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maisie, thank you as always. Merry Christmas to you and the list, and all the best for 2016. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Friday, 25 December 2015 4:55 AM To: Ken Mathieson; LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow Delete if you are not at all interested in this little jaunt down memory lane of what life was like when I was just a lass. Ken, Ahem, I don't give a 'sugar' about my age as there is hang all I can do about it! It's the crepe paper face that's discouraging though, so I try not to look in the mirror too much! Yes, I am as old as tea now, but I was a flibbertigibbet of barely 14 in 1944 when I would deliver letters to what was then the RBS in that colonnaded building in Royal Exchange Square. I would just enter the colonnaded front of the building and deliver the correspondence to the reception desk, and so I have no idea what the rest of the interior looked like, except as a bank. The office where I worked was at 144 St. Vincent Street, between Hope Street and Renfield Street, so smack dab in the middle of Glasgow. Royal Exchange Square was within a reasonable walking distance from the office where I would flit about delivering the day's office mail. I would trudge as far up as Park Circus (before one of the offices was used for genealogy purposes) and Blythswood Square, where the club was of the 'thoughtful gentleman' boss who once phoned me to bring him his raincoat as it was pouring rain. Silly young girl that I was it never dawned on me to use the raincoat to cover myself so I ended up 'drookit.' This seems like light years ago and one wonders if even legal, confidential correspondence is e-mailed or faxed nowadays and if the position of a wee office lass or lad is now obsolete. Maybe not, for who is going to pick up the wee bottles of milk and make tea for the staff? Has to be some low man on the totem pole, unless matters are more egalitarian now. The legal documents had to be taken to the Inland Revenue building, on George Street, looking out on to the side of the City Chambers building (George Square), to be proofread before being sealed with sealing wax with the official government stamp while the wax was still hot. If there was a typing error the whole page had to be re-typed. No computers, of course. On this, I liked a Royal Standard far better than an Underwood typewriter! One trip to the Inland Revenue in 1945 was of historical importance as that was when mobs of people lined the street to cheer as Winston Churchill and Clementine drove by in an open car. He was either tanned or was wearing makeup as he did not have a 'peely-wally' complexion! A-political as I was at the age of 14, I thought it was so unfair that he was not re-elected after all he had done to boost the spirits of the Brits during WWII. Lesson learned that you're only as good as your last movie, as the saying goes. I am sure Frank McGonigal can tell us about how 14-year-old shipyard apprentices were treated 'back then.' It's all of a time, but in my youth not much different from the time of Charles Dickens. When I was a lass the 40-hour week was a bit of a luxury for office workers, so the hours I worked were from 9:00am until 5:30pm (with 1-1/2 lunch break), and then from 9:00am to 1:00pm on Saturdays. This did not comply with the official 40 hour work week for children. The big aim was to find an office job where you did not have to work half-day on a Saturday. Out of the office at 5:30p.m., if you were lucky that the boss had all his correspondence ready, and off to stand at the bus stop, sometimes until 7:00pm as the buses were not too frequent (war time) and were filled with workers from the shipyards and other heavy industry. A friend and I tried different bus routes, but we likely would have been better off and quicker hoofing it home to the north end of Glasgow. On 'dirty workers!' Back in the 1940s/50s there were no such things as showers for men to clean themselves off at the end of the work day, so they'd travel on the buses still wearing their grimy overalls. Every so often there would be letters to the paper from women protesting how this grime affected their coats, and what were 'they' going to do about it. San ferry ann (ça ne fait rien) because I think even up to 1954 when I left Glasgow the 'dirty workers' were still travelling on the buses wearing their dirty work clothes. Soon such would be academic anyway as so much industry, shipyards, coal mining, and other heavy works went the way of the dinosaur, with such as Springburn, with its locomotive works closing down, deeply affected the livelihood of a population of 30,000. The foregoing is to give some colour to the way it was in my lifetime...remember, I'm only 15 years away from being a centenarian! Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Ken Mathieson Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:18 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow Hi Maisie et al, The full story of RBS at Buchanan Street/Royal Exchange Sq is to be found here: http://heritagearchives.rbs.com/places/list/glasgow.html Maisie is partially correct in that the bank was indeed located in apart of a mansion on Queen Street on the site of today's GOMA. However it was only there from 1817 to c1827 and by 1834 it was at the west side of Royal Exchange Sq facing into the rear of the largely new Exchange Building (now GOMA), which itself was built on the site of a previously-existing mansion. The collonaded facade of the bank can be seen in the etching at the top of the website article and in the foreground is the rear corner of the Exchange Building, which occupies the centre of the square. The bank extended its property westwards to Buchanan St in 1850 and remained on that large site until 1997, when the entire building became a Borders bookstore. Since Borders withdrew from UK, the building has continued to be used for retailing. So if Maisie was going to RBS in the GOMA building for her boss, she's a bit older than she's let on about! Just joshin'! Ken On 24/12/2015 03:14, Maisie Egger wrote: > Unless I am going totally and absolutely dippy, I was sure that the > Royal Bank of Scotland was located in Royal Exchange Square in the > 1940s as I know that I would deliver mail there for the solicitor for whom I worked > as a wee office lassie. The following backs up my memories, thank > goodness. > > ::: In 1954 Stirling's Library removed once again, to the Royal > Exchange on Queen Street. It was moved back to Miller Street in 1994 > to allow for the building's conversion into the Gallery of Modern Art. > The library returned to the basement of the Royal Exchange building > (previously occupied by the Commercial Library) as the Library at GOMA in 2002 ::: > > http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image/?inum=TGSA00860 > > When I returned home for a visit years later I discovered that the > Royal Bank of Scotland had, in between times, latterly been > 'displaced' by the GoMA (Modern Art Museum). > > I have an account with the Royal Bank of Scotland, now in the Gordon > Street branch, Glasgow. I should add that the RBS h.q. in Edinburgh > threatened to move to London in the event of a YES vote to split > Scotland from the rest of the U.K. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Bank_of_Scotland > > -----Original Message----- From: Ken Mathieson via > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 5:24 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow > > Hi Maisie and List, > > Royal Bank wasn't in the building now housing GPMA in the middle of > Royal Exchange Sq. Since at least the 1950s (perhaps earleir) to the > 1980s that building was occupied by the Stirling Library at ground > level and the Commercial Library in the basement. During that period > the library was run by the City Council's Libraries. In the 1980's the > basement was occupied by Arts organisations like Mayfest and the Jazz > Festival. > > The Royal Bank fronted on to Buchanan Street with a rear entrance in > the colonnaded facade looking on to Royal Exchange Square. In the > 1960s (possibly earlier too) the rear entrance was the security > entrance for the bank's large-scale cash movements in and out of the > building, so public access was from Buchanan Street. Somewhere online > there will be a history of these buildings. I'm nearly sure the GOMA > building started life as a merchant's very grand house, but it's late > here now, so that research will have to wait for another day. > > Ken > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4489/11246 - Release Date: > 12/24/15 > > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. 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Hello all, Speaking of 'Lost Glasgow' have a look here http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ Go to the old photographs and see what has been 'lost'. I'm only an 1/8th scottish with my GG GF from Glasgow and am bewildered at what happened to the historical social fabric of the city. Have a good Christmas everyone. Cheers Andrew

Hi Maisie et al, The full story of RBS at Buchanan Street/Royal Exchange Sq is to be found here: http://heritagearchives.rbs.com/places/list/glasgow.html Maisie is partially correct in that the bank was indeed located in apart of a mansion on Queen Street on the site of today's GOMA. However it was only there from 1817 to c1827 and by 1834 it was at the west side of Royal Exchange Sq facing into the rear of the largely new Exchange Building (now GOMA), which itself was built on the site of a previously-existing mansion. The collonaded facade of the bank can be seen in the etching at the top of the website article and in the foreground is the rear corner of the Exchange Building, which occupies the centre of the square. The bank extended its property westwards to Buchanan St in 1850 and remained on that large site until 1997, when the entire building became a Borders bookstore. Since Borders withdrew from UK, the building has continued to be used for retailing. So if Maisie was going to RBS in the GOMA building for her boss, she's a bit older than she's let on about! Just joshin'! Ken On 24/12/2015 03:14, Maisie Egger wrote: > Unless I am going totally and absolutely dippy, I was sure that the > Royal Bank of Scotland was located in Royal Exchange Square in the > 1940s as I know that I would deliver mail there for the solicitor for > whom I worked as a wee office lassie. The following backs up my > memories, thank goodness. > > ::: In 1954 Stirling's Library removed once again, to the Royal > Exchange on Queen Street. It was moved back to Miller Street in 1994 > to allow for the building's conversion into the Gallery of Modern Art. > The library returned to the basement of the Royal Exchange building > (previously occupied by the Commercial Library) as the Library at GOMA > in 2002 ::: > > http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image/?inum=TGSA00860 > > When I returned home for a visit years later I discovered that the > Royal Bank of Scotland had, in between times, latterly been > 'displaced' by the GoMA (Modern Art Museum). > > I have an account with the Royal Bank of Scotland, now in the Gordon > Street branch, Glasgow. I should add that the RBS h.q. in Edinburgh > threatened to move to London in the event of a YES vote to split > Scotland from the rest of the U.K. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Bank_of_Scotland > > -----Original Message----- From: Ken Mathieson via > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 5:24 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow > > Hi Maisie and List, > > Royal Bank wasn't in the building now housing GPMA in the middle of > Royal Exchange Sq. Since at least the 1950s (perhaps earleir) to the > 1980s that building was occupied by the Stirling Library at ground level > and the Commercial Library in the basement. During that period the > library was run by the City Council's Libraries. In the 1980's the > basement was occupied by Arts organisations like Mayfest and the Jazz > Festival. > > The Royal Bank fronted on to Buchanan Street with a rear entrance in the > colonnaded facade looking on to Royal Exchange Square. In the 1960s > (possibly earlier too) the rear entrance was the security entrance for > the bank's large-scale cash movements in and out of the building, so > public access was from Buchanan Street. Somewhere online there will be a > history of these buildings. I'm nearly sure the GOMA building started > life as a merchant's very grand house, but it's late here now, so that > research will have to wait for another day. > > Ken > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4489/11246 - Release Date: > 12/24/15 > >

Thank you, Andrew. I haven't come across this link before. Well, my girlfriend in Glasgow referred to the demolition of so much good (and bad) of Glasgow as being the work of the 'demolition boys' who were in somebody's back pocket or vice versa. Springburn, for example, had many fine Victorian red sandstone buildings, all pulverised into dust to be replaced by what I refer to as Moscow style apartment buildings. As mentioned in my last e-mail, Springburn in the north end of Glasgow, depended on Cowlairs, St. Rollox and North British Locomotive Works to provide the economic health for 30,000, a small city in itself with every shopping requirement met in Springburn Road. Springburn was a working class community of decent hard working people. It 'unhinges' one to read that the poverty level in Springburn is at 40% and that it has the reputation of being crime ridden. To be asked: Where is the Springburn (Glasgow) that I used to know? http://www.mysongbook.de/msb/songs/g/glgothat.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSQt37Q1Ins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu49CdlnaMo A link about the infamous Gorbals: (For those not int tune with the Gl;asgow speech pattern!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu49CdlnaMo Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Andrew McCletchie via Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:47 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow Hello all, Speaking of 'Lost Glasgow' have a look here http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/ Go to the old photographs and see what has been 'lost'. I'm only an 1/8th scottish with my GG GF from Glasgow and am bewildered at what happened to the historical social fabric of the city. Have a good Christmas everyone. Cheers Andrew ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I should add that the RBS h.q. in Edinburgh threatened to > move to London in the event of a YES vote to split Scotland > from the rest of > the U.K. True. But Wikipedia doesn't have the full story. Quite apart from the fact that since the UK government bailed out RBoS, and now actually owns most of the shares of RBoS, EU legislation requires a bank has to have its HQ in the country where it does most business. The RBoS owns the National Westminster Bank, which was actually bigger than RBoS at the time of the takeover, and consequently does more business in England and Wales than it does in Scotland. Therefore if the UK were to break up, RBoS would have no choice but to move its HQ south. The Band of Scotland is part of the Halifax/Lloyds/TSB conglomerate and in a similar position, although ever since that merger the tail (Halifax) has been wagging the dog (BoS) so that a lot of group activity is already in England. The TSB would of course go south with the BoS. The Clydesdale Bank was owned by the Midland Bank, which was bought by the National Australian Bank, which intends to sell its UK operations in 2016. If its English operations are bigger than its Scottish operations, which I don't know, then the Clydesdale would also have to move its HQ south. It might have to do that anyway, depending on the decision of whoever buys it next year. So if Scotland were to become independent there would be no Scottish banks left with HQs in Scotland, and although (so they say) day-to-day banking would not change, all Scottish banking would be controlled from England and Wales, and Scottish banks' taxes would go to the Westminster exchequer. It would be rather interesting to see what would happen next. Anne

Delete if you are not at all interested in this little jaunt down memory lane of what life was like when I was just a lass. Ken, Ahem, I don't give a 'sugar' about my age as there is hang all I can do about it! It's the crepe paper face that's discouraging though, so I try not to look in the mirror too much! Yes, I am as old as tea now, but I was a flibbertigibbet of barely 14 in 1944 when I would deliver letters to what was then the RBS in that colonnaded building in Royal Exchange Square. I would just enter the colonnaded front of the building and deliver the correspondence to the reception desk, and so I have no idea what the rest of the interior looked like, except as a bank. The office where I worked was at 144 St. Vincent Street, between Hope Street and Renfield Street, so smack dab in the middle of Glasgow. Royal Exchange Square was within a reasonable walking distance from the office where I would flit about delivering the day's office mail. I would trudge as far up as Park Circus (before one of the offices was used for genealogy purposes) and Blythswood Square, where the club was of the 'thoughtful gentleman' boss who once phoned me to bring him his raincoat as it was pouring rain. Silly young girl that I was it never dawned on me to use the raincoat to cover myself so I ended up 'drookit.' This seems like light years ago and one wonders if even legal, confidential correspondence is e-mailed or faxed nowadays and if the position of a wee office lass or lad is now obsolete. Maybe not, for who is going to pick up the wee bottles of milk and make tea for the staff? Has to be some low man on the totem pole, unless matters are more egalitarian now. The legal documents had to be taken to the Inland Revenue building, on George Street, looking out on to the side of the City Chambers building (George Square), to be proofread before being sealed with sealing wax with the official government stamp while the wax was still hot. If there was a typing error the whole page had to be re-typed. No computers, of course. On this, I liked a Royal Standard far better than an Underwood typewriter! One trip to the Inland Revenue in 1945 was of historical importance as that was when mobs of people lined the street to cheer as Winston Churchill and Clementine drove by in an open car. He was either tanned or was wearing makeup as he did not have a 'peely-wally' complexion! A-political as I was at the age of 14, I thought it was so unfair that he was not re-elected after all he had done to boost the spirits of the Brits during WWII. Lesson learned that you're only as good as your last movie, as the saying goes. I am sure Frank McGonigal can tell us about how 14-year-old shipyard apprentices were treated 'back then.' It's all of a time, but in my youth not much different from the time of Charles Dickens. When I was a lass the 40-hour week was a bit of a luxury for office workers, so the hours I worked were from 9:00am until 5:30pm (with 1-1/2 lunch break), and then from 9:00am to 1:00pm on Saturdays. This did not comply with the official 40 hour work week for children. The big aim was to find an office job where you did not have to work half-day on a Saturday. Out of the office at 5:30p.m., if you were lucky that the boss had all his correspondence ready, and off to stand at the bus stop, sometimes until 7:00pm as the buses were not too frequent (war time) and were filled with workers from the shipyards and other heavy industry. A friend and I tried different bus routes, but we likely would have been better off and quicker hoofing it home to the north end of Glasgow. On 'dirty workers!' Back in the 1940s/50s there were no such things as showers for men to clean themselves off at the end of the work day, so they'd travel on the buses still wearing their grimy overalls. Every so often there would be letters to the paper from women protesting how this grime affected their coats, and what were 'they' going to do about it. San ferry ann (ça ne fait rien) because I think even up to 1954 when I left Glasgow the 'dirty workers' were still travelling on the buses wearing their dirty work clothes. Soon such would be academic anyway as so much industry, shipyards, coal mining, and other heavy works went the way of the dinosaur, with such as Springburn, with its locomotive works closing down, deeply affected the livelihood of a population of 30,000. The foregoing is to give some colour to the way it was in my lifetime...remember, I'm only 15 years away from being a centenarian! Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Ken Mathieson Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:18 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow Hi Maisie et al, The full story of RBS at Buchanan Street/Royal Exchange Sq is to be found here: http://heritagearchives.rbs.com/places/list/glasgow.html Maisie is partially correct in that the bank was indeed located in apart of a mansion on Queen Street on the site of today's GOMA. However it was only there from 1817 to c1827 and by 1834 it was at the west side of Royal Exchange Sq facing into the rear of the largely new Exchange Building (now GOMA), which itself was built on the site of a previously-existing mansion. The collonaded facade of the bank can be seen in the etching at the top of the website article and in the foreground is the rear corner of the Exchange Building, which occupies the centre of the square. The bank extended its property westwards to Buchanan St in 1850 and remained on that large site until 1997, when the entire building became a Borders bookstore. Since Borders withdrew from UK, the building has continued to be used for retailing. So if Maisie was going to RBS in the GOMA building for her boss, she's a bit older than she's let on about! Just joshin'! Ken On 24/12/2015 03:14, Maisie Egger wrote: > Unless I am going totally and absolutely dippy, I was sure that the Royal > Bank of Scotland was located in Royal Exchange Square in the 1940s as I > know that I would deliver mail there for the solicitor for whom I worked > as a wee office lassie. The following backs up my memories, thank > goodness. > > ::: In 1954 Stirling's Library removed once again, to the Royal Exchange > on Queen Street. It was moved back to Miller Street in 1994 to allow for > the building's conversion into the Gallery of Modern Art. The library > returned to the basement of the Royal Exchange building (previously > occupied by the Commercial Library) as the Library at GOMA in 2002 ::: > > http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image/?inum=TGSA00860 > > When I returned home for a visit years later I discovered that the Royal > Bank of Scotland had, in between times, latterly been 'displaced' by the > GoMA (Modern Art Museum). > > I have an account with the Royal Bank of Scotland, now in the Gordon > Street branch, Glasgow. I should add that the RBS h.q. in Edinburgh > threatened to move to London in the event of a YES vote to split Scotland > from the rest of the U.K. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Bank_of_Scotland > > -----Original Message----- From: Ken Mathieson via > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 5:24 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some of Lost Glasgow > > Hi Maisie and List, > > Royal Bank wasn't in the building now housing GPMA in the middle of > Royal Exchange Sq. Since at least the 1950s (perhaps earleir) to the > 1980s that building was occupied by the Stirling Library at ground level > and the Commercial Library in the basement. During that period the > library was run by the City Council's Libraries. In the 1980's the > basement was occupied by Arts organisations like Mayfest and the Jazz > Festival. > > The Royal Bank fronted on to Buchanan Street with a rear entrance in the > colonnaded facade looking on to Royal Exchange Square. In the 1960s > (possibly earlier too) the rear entrance was the security entrance for > the bank's large-scale cash movements in and out of the building, so > public access was from Buchanan Street. Somewhere online there will be a > history of these buildings. I'm nearly sure the GOMA building started > life as a merchant's very grand house, but it's late here now, so that > research will have to wait for another day. > > Ken > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4489/11246 - Release Date: 12/24/15 > >