Not sure if you should read this article Maisie ;-) <http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/whisky-haggis-and-four-other-things-that-aren-t-actually-scottish-1-3997867> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Maisie When I read articles like this I do wonder if the people making them up actually set foot outside of their ivory towers, be they in Glasgow Uni or London The regional accents are alive and well as far as I can can tell Whereas in London its just a mixture of languages often foreign ones mixed with English Some people have always changed the way they speak "to get on", its just a fact of life, no matter what some may say You are clearly more likely to get on in most jobs if you speak properly Perhaps this is a slow news period and they are needing to fill column? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/01/2016 00:44, Maisie Egger via wrote: > Researchers say that the Glaswegian sound has stayed the same, > > The Jan/Feb 2016 issue of The Highlander magazine is a bit more > informative than this Google link, though the research is by the same > person: > > http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/619869/Future-Scottish-accents-sounding-good > > The Highlander magazine heading: “Scottish Accents Endure While > England’s Disappear” is maybe a bit of a glittering generality as > English friends and relatives seem to have the same speech pattern as > they started out with. > > To me, the Glasgow ‘wye o’ speakin’ is ‘murder polis’ and has indeed > not changed a bit! Noted before, since coming to North American, I > have had to train myself to soften the Glasgow way of speaking as no > one could understand me, yet I did not consider myself rough spoken. > Being an office worker one had to smooth the edges off a bit when > answering the phone. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Ruth Almost certainly but take a look Not all left a birth or residence place but you can search by name, regiment etc Have a look, its free and very readable Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2016 17:19, ruth.enns@shaw.ca wrote: > Any IRISH?? > > Ruth --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I thought this an interesting item A visitors book in a tearoom in Peterborough filled in by soldiers in transit WW1 A lot of work has gone into this, well worth a look You can search for soldiers or browse, when browsing you can click on the page to get further details on that man There are many Scots soldiers leaving messages But well worth a read even if no connected <http://www.peterboroughww1.co.uk/browse-archive/> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Researchers say that the Glaswegian sound has stayed the same, The Jan/Feb 2016 issue of The Highlander magazine is a bit more informative than this Google link, though the research is by the same person: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/619869/Future-Scottish-accents-sounding-good The Highlander magazine heading: “Scottish Accents Endure While England’s Disappear” is maybe a bit of a glittering generality as English friends and relatives seem to have the same speech pattern as they started out with. To me, the Glasgow ‘wye o’ speakin’ is ‘murder polis’ and has indeed not changed a bit! Noted before, since coming to North American, I have had to train myself to soften the Glasgow way of speaking as no one could understand me, yet I did not consider myself rough spoken. Being an office worker one had to smooth the edges off a bit when answering the phone. As a young office girl I was tri-lingual(!): the house speech where my mother would not tolerate even acceptable Scottish words---standard English in this house, please; business office lingo, then street patter if one were associating with others outside of one’s normal purlieu. A little tip off would be if a young teenage girl from another street would ask if you went to the jiggin’. Jiggin’? No, you’d answer politely, I’m too young to be allowed to go to (the) dancing. Researchers at the University of Glasgow concluded from audio recordings dating from WWI that English regional accents are becoming more homogenized than Scots accents. The assumption was that traditional regional accents throughout the U.K. were being softened and dying out. The contention is that Glaswegian is less liable to change than what is going on in areas of England. Whether from a rough part of Glasgow or the more refined west end, it would appear, according to this research, that all levels of the Glasgow way of speaking have been maintained without too much change. Again, it all depends on where one lives in Glasgow and how a particular area affects the speech pattern. If one is a bit more refined one could be ‘accused’ of speaking with a Kelvinside accent (west side of Glasgow). Also, if one were university educated, Glasgow or otherwise, it is almost a foregone conclusion that the edges have been taken off the typical-sounding Glaswegian’s voice. One of my mother’s sisters attended Glasgow University and sounded so much more ‘refined,’ shall we say, than her four sisters. To quote “Ah’m no’ a herry fae Ferry Street!” --- I am not a hairy (tough, loud, mouthy person) person from Fairy Street! Maisie

Thanks Alan. I have a good idea what it says, but I dont want it to say that ! Cheers Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Cowan via" <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: "Andrew McCletchie via" <lanark@rootsweb.com>; <LANARK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Help with reading a Surname on Death Certificate. > I’ll have a look for you Andrew. > > Alan Cowan > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: Andrew McCletchie via > Sent: 13 January 2016 11:04 > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Lanark] Help with reading a Surname on Death Certificate. > > Hello everyone, > > My GGG GF, John McCletchie, died in 1864 at New City Road, Glasgow. > > I have his Death Certificate but am having trouble reading his Mother's > Maiden Surname. I know what ScotlandsPeople transcribe it as but would > like another opinion because it leads me to a Brick Wall. Anyone like to > help and I will send you the scan ? > > Many thanks to those who recently helped me with a similar request for an > 1861 Census. > > Another question while I am here. His death was announced in the Glasgow > Herald....was this an indication of some 'wealth' ? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I’ll have a look for you Andrew. Alan Cowan Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Andrew McCletchie via Sent: 13 January 2016 11:04 To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Help with reading a Surname on Death Certificate. Hello everyone,  My GGG GF, John McCletchie, died in 1864 at New City Road, Glasgow.  I have his Death Certificate but am having trouble reading his Mother's  Maiden Surname.  I know what ScotlandsPeople transcribe it as but would like another opinion because it leads me to a Brick Wall.   Anyone like to help and I will send you the scan ?  Many thanks to those who recently helped me with a similar request for an  1861 Census.  Another question while I am here.  His death was announced in the Glasgow  Herald....was this an indication of some 'wealth' ?  Thanks  Andrew   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andrew Pass a copy and I would be happy to take a look at it You can also request help from Scotlandspeople The announcement in the paper was just a sign that someone wanted to tell someone else, he does not appear to have left a will which would be the first sign of wealth, it does not exclude the possibility but suggests he left no large estate Even some paupers had an announcement in the paper, entered by a friend, whereas some very wealthy individuals did not His grave and or memorial might be a better signal Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2016 11:07, Andrew McCletchie via wrote: > Hello everyone, > > My GGG GF, John McCletchie, died in 1864 at New City Road, Glasgow. > > I have his Death Certificate but am having trouble reading his Mother's > Maiden Surname. I know what ScotlandsPeople transcribe it as but would > like another opinion because it leads me to a Brick Wall. Anyone like to > help and I will send you the scan ? > > Many thanks to those who recently helped me with a similar request for an > 1861 Census. > > Another question while I am here. His death was announced in the Glasgow > Herald....was this an indication of some 'wealth' ? > > Thanks > > Andrew --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello everyone, My GGG GF, John McCletchie, died in 1864 at New City Road, Glasgow. I have his Death Certificate but am having trouble reading his Mother's Maiden Surname. I know what ScotlandsPeople transcribe it as but would like another opinion because it leads me to a Brick Wall. Anyone like to help and I will send you the scan ? Many thanks to those who recently helped me with a similar request for an 1861 Census. Another question while I am here. His death was announced in the Glasgow Herald....was this an indication of some 'wealth' ? Thanks Andrew

Any IRISH?? Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:01 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] WW1 visitor book Peterborough I thought this an interesting item A visitors book in a tearoom in Peterborough filled in by soldiers in transit WW1 A lot of work has gone into this, well worth a look You can search for soldiers or browse, when browsing you can click on the page to get further details on that man There are many Scots soldiers leaving messages But well worth a read even if no connected <http://www.peterboroughww1.co.uk/browse-archive/> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

'Unless you've done your research on this little country's history, you might not know that today's Scots are the descendants of people from many different countries. The people who were native to Scotland in it's very early days were the Picts. The name translates to 'Painted People - a reference to their custom of painting/tattooing their bodies. This was a warlike Celtic tribe descended from this area's indigenous Iron Age inhabitants.' This quote from the article is confusing. My understanding was that first there were the Picts, and then there were the Celts. This is the first time I have seen the Picts described as a 'warlike Celtic tribe'. Surely this is inaccurate? -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Monday, 11 January 2016 5:23 AM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] About Scottish people https://scotlandinmyheartsite.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/about-scottish-people /comment-page-1/#comment-4 This is one of a series of articles from Scotland in My Heart. Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie These things always make me chuckle Take all the "personality" traits listed under The Scottish Personality and you can apply the same to virtually any group of people from wherever, England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland or wherever In every group of peoples there are a little of every trait and type of personality, good, bad, honest, dishonest etc etc There is no such thing as a 100% Scot or English, Welsh or Irish, all are a mixture of other peoples & races from here there and everywhere with the resulting mixture of traits good and bad from around the world And whilst there are elements brought forth in a persons make up from their ancestors genes I would suggest more comes from their upbringing and the events they encounter through their journey through life from a baby to the grave Many a child of the nicest parents went off the rails, and many a child of the worst of parents rose to become a model individual So I do have to wonder at these articles and their worth Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/01/2016 18:22, Maisie Egger via wrote: > https://scotlandinmyheartsite.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/about-scottish-people/comment-page-1/#comment-4 > > This is one of a series of articles from Scotland in My Heart. > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Eggsacky, Nivard, and being the super intelligent person that I am I read the article with a grain of salt! When I first went to Canada, I thought all Canadians were a conservative lot, not like (all!) friendly Glasgow people at all. When I came to America I thought that they were the most laid back people on the face of this earth. It took a little while of living in both countries, and the wise advice of my husband, to learn that humans are humans and are the same the world over, except my husband noted that there seemed to be more than a few people with big noses on the buses in Glasgow! He wondered if the Romans had indeed left their noses/DNA behind...or maybe the Vikings! Also, 'glittering generalities' have to be watched: Americans are laid back and easygoing...but to a point when one considers their fixation about gun ownership. Won't go beyond this, except to say that the only gun I ever saw in my whole life growing up in Glasgow was when one of the boys in our street tried to show me how to use a pellet gun. Huge failures in my life: don't know how to fire a gun, don't know how to swim, and don't know how to ride a horse...and will not eat beets! Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:17 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] About Scottish people Hi Maisie These things always make me chuckle Take all the "personality" traits listed under The Scottish Personality and you can apply the same to virtually any group of people from wherever, England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland or wherever In every group of peoples there are a little of every trait and type of personality, good, bad, honest, dishonest etc etc There is no such thing as a 100% Scot or English, Welsh or Irish, all are a mixture of other peoples & races from here there and everywhere with the resulting mixture of traits good and bad from around the world And whilst there are elements brought forth in a persons make up from their ancestors genes I would suggest more comes from their upbringing and the events they encounter through their journey through life from a baby to the grave Many a child of the nicest parents went off the rails, and many a child of the worst of parents rose to become a model individual So I do have to wonder at these articles and their worth Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/01/2016 18:22, Maisie Egger via wrote: > https://scotlandinmyheartsite.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/about-scottish-people/comment-page-1/#comment-4 > > This is one of a series of articles from Scotland in My Heart. > > Maisie ---

SCOTTISH WORD FOR TODAY January 10, 2016 Expressions: Whit’s fur ye’ll no’ go by ye. --- What’s meant to happen will happen. (My Piskie friend would assign this saying to John Calvin (Predestination!) and by extension John Knox and the Presbies.) (It’s the title for one of the series in the Assassin’s Creed: Assassin's Creed is an historical science fiction action-adventure open world stealth video game series.) (Go to Google for more information.) The following are typical Glesga sayings: (Though Nivard Ovington, if you say those expressions are used in Cornwall, it could very well be that some transplanted Glaswegians brought them with them!) a.. Gonnae no’ dae that so ahmurny. --- Going to not do that so I am not b.. C’moan, get aff. --- Come on, get off. c.. Is the cat deid? --- Has the cat died? A ‘subtle’ way of telling a person his trouser legs are too short, like a fag flying at half-mast. The expression “C’moan get aff” is a standard joke in Glasgow when clippies collected fares and controlled the number of passengers on the bus, with a maximum number allowed standing downstairs. There was absolutely no standing allowed upstairs or other jookery-pookery such as more than one to a seat! The clippies ran the buses with an iron fist and Glasgow Corporation Transport never had to worry about the clippies falling down on the job. (Clippies --- conductresses...when you used to be able to put ess at the end of a description for a female!) In the Glasgow patter when the clippie ordered(!) you to C’moan, get aff, that meant that the bus was overcrowded and you’d better get off. If there was no compliance from perhaps a heavily bevvied imbiber, the clippie would ring the bell, the bus would stop, and the bus driver would appear to offer reinforcement. Of course, for the foreigner, this positive, negative order to come on, get off, was totally confusing. Now the bus systems are universal, with no clippie to collect fares, only the money box with the exact change allowed beside the driver No chance for chit-chat with the conductor(ress) to talk about different fare stages (so many bus stops to a stage with a different ticket colour that cost more). The bus inspector would make periodic checks to make sure the passenger wasn’t cheating by staying on past the paid stage, and that the clippie was on top of her job. Even the Glasgow Transport System has gone through many name changes to metamorphose to First Glasgow. It’s jist no’ the same, so it isnae! Maisie

https://scotlandinmyheartsite.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/about-scottish-people/comment-page-1/#comment-4 This is one of a series of articles from Scotland in My Heart. Maisie

https://scotlandinmyheartsite.wordpress.com/2016/01/10/who-are-the-picts-scotlands-dna-at-last-finds-an-answer/ Scotland’s DNA finds the answer to who are the Picts. Maisie

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-17740638 Study reveals ‘extraordinary DNA of people in Scotland. Maisie

Sue, St. Mary's RC Church in Calton, Glasgow is between 3.5 and 4.5 km from St. Peter's Dalbeth Cemetery. The land was purchased by the Diocese abt 1851. It might have been the closest RC Cemetery to St Mary's parish with room. If you have access to Google Maps, you can search on either place and then put in the other for directions. Jo-Ann Here is a link to my search. Or as a condensed version *http://tinyurl.com/hqmyjgw <http://tinyurl.com/hqmyjgw>* https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Saint+Peter's+Cemetery+Dalbeth,+London+Road,+Glasgow,+UK/St+Marys+RC+Parish+Church,+89+Abercromby+St,+Glasgow+G40+2DQ/@55.8473689,-4.2149164,2558m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x48884115a5c5444d:0x75311f5768c33c6b!2m2!1d-4.1879898!2d55.8389622!1m5!1m1!1s0x488846adc4479be1:0xd3177b03f7d17446!2m2!1d-4.2272165!2d55.8539971!3e2?hl=en On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 3:55 PM, smrcus via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I took a look at the free Catholic parish records and found an 1849 > baptism for my great grandmother, Anne McInally. The baptism was > at St. Mary's Glasgow. Her father died before 1853, and I think I > found a burial record for him in 1852 at Old Dalbeth Cemetery, Glasgow. > Can someone verify that a St. Mary's parishioner might be buried at > Old Dalbeth Cemetery? > I'd like to verify this before I pay for the record. > Thanks, > Sue Marcus > > >

An aphorism to start off the new year! Maisie Why pay money to have your family tree traced. Go into politics, AND your opponents will do it for you. ~Author unknown

I took a look at the free Catholic parish records and found an 1849 baptism for my great grandmother, Anne McInally. The baptism was at St. Mary's Glasgow. Her father died before 1853, and I think I found a burial record for him in 1852 at Old Dalbeth Cemetery, Glasgow. Can someone verify that a St. Mary's parishioner might be buried at Old Dalbeth Cemetery? I'd like to verify this before I pay for the record. Thanks, Sue Marcus