I have corresponded with Greg Townsend in 2010, and would like to find him again, regarding my THORNTONs. Is he still on the list? Thank you, Jeannette Walton

http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/findmypast-to-increase-subscriptions.html Maisie

I have corresponded with Greg Townsend in 2010, and would like to find him again, regarding my THORNTONs. Is he still on the list? Thank you, Jeannette Walton

Is there any body researching BRYCE or SWAN I have a Thomas BRYCE who married Janet SWAN in 1845 in Gorbals. His Parents were Thomas BRYCE and Isobella ALLEN who were married in 1804 in St Cuthberts Church Edinburgh. I have nothing on when or where Thomas the younger was born or when or where Janet SWAN was born, I do know that her father was John SWAN and her mother Janet PEARSON. Is there anybody who can help? Fran Stewart Brisbane Australia.

They certainly seem to be conspicuous by their absence from the IGI on FamilySearch! You obviously have more information on them than you have told us. It helps to have all the details handy and to know where you have already looked. For example How do you know the names of the parents of your Thomas and Janet? What was Thomas' occupation? Do you have any relevant original records from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk? Did they emigrate, and if so, when? Have you searched the census at www.freecen.org.uk? What were the names, approximate dates of birth and birthplaces of the children of Thomas and Janet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Stewart via" <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:00 AM Subject: [Lanark] Swan and Bryce > Is there any body researching BRYCE or SWAN I have a Thomas > BRYCE who > married Janet SWAN in 1845 in Gorbals. His Parents were Thomas > BRYCE and > Isobella ALLEN who were married in 1804 in St Cuthberts Church > Edinburgh. > I have nothing on when or where Thomas the younger was born or > when or where > Janet SWAN was born, I do know that her father was John SWAN > and her mother > Janet PEARSON. Is there anybody who can help? > > Fran Stewart > Brisbane Australia. > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the > earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as > LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or > click on the following link to the list information page > online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11442 - Release > Date: 01/20/16 >

Thanks again, Maisie, for your 'word for today'. I've lived out of Scotland for over forty years now and many of these words are new to me - or long forgotten. Many are there, just lurking in my memory or just so much part of me that I don't really think of them as being Scottish, just the appropriate word for a situation as, often, there isn't an exact English equivalent e.g. glaikit or, my favourite, peely wally (to feel under the weather/ off colour). Jose Sent from my iPad > On 20 Jan 2016, at 08:21, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > SCOTTISH WORD for TODAY > January 19, 2016 > > SLANG > > Wazzok > > On t.v. this evening a certain U.S. wanna-be President was referred to by someone in the British Parliament as a wazzok. It apparently has its roots in Northern England and means an idiot or daft person: > > Was fairly rare in Yorkshire before Capstick's popularisation of it in 1981. > “You great useless spawny-eyed parrot-faced wazzock.” > (Tony Capstick, 1981) > > Equivalent of the use of wazzok In parts of Scotland would be the following: > > > Glaikit – stupid. Ye’re a glaikit wee soul, so ye are. Kin ye no pick up efter yersel’? > > > > Skinny Malinky Langlegs!* --- A lang dreep o’ watter (a long drip of water) --- A tall thin person. > > > > Gaun yer dinger ---Going off the deep end...(or going postal). > > > > Gie it laldy---Give it its worth. > > > Puggled---He’s fair puggled, so he is. > > ppl. adj. Scots (Lallans) and Scottish vernacular. knackered, done for, finished, defeated, frustrated, under the weather > v. Puggle. > (Of recent slang origin, may correspond with the Eng. military slang "puggled", very drunk, believed to be from Hindustani "pagal", mad, furious, but may derive from buggered, and possibly influenced by Scots Pauchle, puzzled) > > ---------------------------------- > > (A tad vulgar, though anything goes nowadays!) > > Lanark contributor, John Duncan, used to get a kick out of this: > > *Skinny Malinky lang legs big banana feet, went tae the pictures but couldnae find a seat; when the picture started Skinny Malinky farted, Skinny Malinky lang legs big banana feet. > > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

SCOTTISH WORD for TODAY January 19, 2016 SLANG Wazzok On t.v. this evening a certain U.S. wanna-be President was referred to by someone in the British Parliament as a wazzok. It apparently has its roots in Northern England and means an idiot or daft person: Was fairly rare in Yorkshire before Capstick's popularisation of it in 1981. “You great useless spawny-eyed parrot-faced wazzock.” (Tony Capstick, 1981) Equivalent of the use of wazzok In parts of Scotland would be the following: Glaikit – stupid. Ye’re a glaikit wee soul, so ye are. Kin ye no pick up efter yersel’? Skinny Malinky Langlegs!* --- A lang dreep o’ watter (a long drip of water) --- A tall thin person. Gaun yer dinger ---Going off the deep end...(or going postal). Gie it laldy---Give it its worth. Puggled---He’s fair puggled, so he is. ppl. adj. Scots (Lallans) and Scottish vernacular. knackered, done for, finished, defeated, frustrated, under the weather v. Puggle. (Of recent slang origin, may correspond with the Eng. military slang "puggled", very drunk, believed to be from Hindustani "pagal", mad, furious, but may derive from buggered, and possibly influenced by Scots Pauchle, puzzled) ---------------------------------- (A tad vulgar, though anything goes nowadays!) Lanark contributor, John Duncan, used to get a kick out of this: *Skinny Malinky lang legs big banana feet, went tae the pictures but couldnae find a seat; when the picture started Skinny Malinky farted, Skinny Malinky lang legs big banana feet. Maisie

When I spent time living with some of my Australian cousins, they commented that I didn't have an accent, I sounded like them in Queensland. I had honed it down before leaving the states, which has so many variations. But like leaning other foreign languages, learning to speak and understand them without your native born dialect is so important. In high school, my Spanish instructor asked me if I had any Hispanic origins as I was speaking without any American accent. Of course the answer was no, I just challenge myself to think in any other language or dialect to help with learning it better. My Swedish born grandmother and her sisters would converse in what seemed like music, Swedish. Which I had to learn some and understand as a child as well. My McKinley family was from Glasgow, but I was born after my great grandfather had died. Since my parents were born over 100 years ago, I grew up with and older lexicon and stories about my great grandfather. Dale McKinley ----- Original Message ----- From: "nautakat via" <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: "'Iain McKenzie'" <iainmckenzie10@gmail.com>; <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Glasgow sound has stayed the same > I'm with you on this, Maisie. > Within a week of emigrating to Australia I had developed the Australian > accent to be used at school while maintaining the Manchester one for home. > The fear was that I would slip up and use the wrong accent and so invite > the dreaded teasing. > Kathryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Iain McKenzie via > Sent: Friday, 15 January 2016 3:15 AM > To: Maisie Egger; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Glasgow sound has stayed the same > > Maisie, > > Being trilingual, you were not alone, according to a programme on BBC > Radio 4. Linguists have discovered that it is quite usual for teenagers to > have five versions of their language that they use; typically one for use > at home, one for the classroom and one for the playground, plus others. > They did not mix them up. My memory at Hillington primary school was that > you could not tell much about a person by the speech they used in class, > but once you were in the playground you could almost tell which street > they lived in by the nuances of their playground speech. > > Thank you for starting this thread. I'm sure it is one we all have a view > on. > > Iain McKenzie > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Researchers say that the Glaswegian sound has stayed the same, >> >> The Jan/Feb 2016 issue of The Highlander magazine is a bit more >> informative than this Google link, though the research is by the same >> person: >> >> >> http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/619869/Future-Scottish-accents-soundi >> ng-good >> >> The Highlander magazine heading: “Scottish Accents Endure While >> England’s Disappear” is maybe a bit of a glittering generality as >> English friends and relatives seem to have the same speech pattern as >> they started out with. >> >> To me, the Glasgow ‘wye o’ speakin’ is ‘murder polis’ and has indeed >> not changed a bit! Noted before, since coming to North American, I >> have had to train myself to soften the Glasgow way of speaking as no >> one could understand me, yet I did not consider myself rough spoken. >> Being an office worker one had to smooth the edges off a bit when >> answering the phone. >> >> As a young office girl I was tri-lingual(!): the house speech where >> my mother would not tolerate even acceptable Scottish words---standard >> English in this house, please; business office lingo, then street >> patter if one were associating with others outside of one’s normal >> purlieu. A little tip off would be if a young teenage girl from >> another street would ask if you went to the jiggin’. Jiggin’? No, >> you’d answer politely, I’m too young to be allowed to go to (the) >> dancing. >> >> Researchers at the University of Glasgow concluded from audio >> recordings dating from WWI that English regional accents are becoming >> more homogenized than Scots accents. The assumption was that >> traditional regional accents throughout the U.K. were being softened and >> dying out. >> >> The contention is that Glaswegian is less liable to change than what >> is going on in areas of England. Whether from a rough part of Glasgow >> or the more refined west end, it would appear, according to this >> research, that all levels of the Glasgow way of speaking have been >> maintained without too much change. >> >> Again, it all depends on where one lives in Glasgow and how a >> particular area affects the speech pattern. If one is a bit more >> refined one could be ‘accused’ of speaking with a Kelvinside accent (west >> side of Glasgow). >> Also, if one were university educated, Glasgow or otherwise, it is >> almost a foregone conclusion that the edges have been taken off the >> typical-sounding Glaswegian’s voice. One of my mother’s sisters >> attended Glasgow University and sounded so much more ‘refined,’ shall we >> say, than her four sisters. >> >> To quote “Ah’m no’ a herry fae Ferry Street!” --- I am not a hairy >> (tough, loud, mouthy person) person from Fairy Street! >> >> Maisie >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier >> message. 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Here in the states, I knew what what the phrase meant without thinking about it, but it is not all that well known. Though in this country, it seems as if a lot of people confront each other with a lit candle in one hand and blue touch-paper in the other, just to be ready for what will happen next. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess via" <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com>; <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] "Speak properly" Nivard? Is that a deliberate lightingof the blue touch-paper? >> I confess I thought lighting the blue touch paper was known >> worldwide ;-) >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > I thought so too. > > Anne > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone and Ian Scott, I am Australian and saw this nest last week at Mt. Tamborine (behind the Gold Coast, Queensland) Look hard for the bird, but the next is bright and blue. Thank you. Lee Brisbane. -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Scott via Sent: Friday, 15 January 2016 6:25 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Here in some parts of Australia we use the term "bower bird" to mean the equivalent of Anne's comments below." Wikipedia describes the actions of a bower bird as "In and around the bower, the male places a variety of brightly coloured objects he has collected. These objects - usually different among each species - may include hundreds of shells, leaves, flowers, feathers, stones, berries, and even discarded plastic items, coins, nails, rifle shells, or pieces of glass. The males spend hours arranging this collection."

> Well, at the risk of lighting the blue touch paper...I thought it was > worldwide too ! > > I read previous posts about the Geordie accent and Sunderland (stand back > and light another blue touch paper)...I am Sunderland born and bred, our > accent is very different to our neighbours 12 miles up the road. > > There is a massive local rivalry in my opinion (oopps, pass a match > please). > > I can see similarities between what Maisie says about different ways of > speaking from street to street. I can easily pick up different accents > across towns from Sunderland to South Shields, Gateshead etc to the north > and to County Durham villages and to Teesside to the south. > > But Maisie...even to a North East England lad like me, when the Glasgae > patter starts at speed, I struggle to keep up ! > > Cheers everyone > > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Burgess via" <lanark@rootsweb.com> > To: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com>; <lanark@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Lanark] "Speak properly" Nivard? Is that a deliberate > lightingof the blue touch-paper? > > >>> I confess I thought lighting the blue touch paper was known >>> worldwide ;-) >>> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> I thought so too. >> >> Anne >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier >> message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. >> >> You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on >> the following link to the list information page online: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Anne, thank you. > That's a new one on me. Is it similar to a magpie? They are both members of the crow family, and they are both famous for collecting objects. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1229780 Anne

Hi Frank Are you sure you bought it at SP ? If you google it the death registration is there for all to copy And no I haven't lost any myself or heard of the problem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/01/2016 18:05, Frank Mcgonigal via wrote: > Hi Has anyone had a problem with missing images which they have > bought from Scotlands People online ?..I have a copy of the Poet > ?..William McGonagalls death in 1902 which I must have purchased from > Scotlands People..it's missing on my list of purchases ..I contacted > them but they say they can't locate it either.I wonder how many more > I am missing ?I think I remember someone posting this problem some > time agoFrank McGonigal --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi RuthI did some research on William and spent quite a lot of money on BMDs from Scotlands People. Norman Watson of Dundee wrote a new book on William and contacted me for what info I had..He did mention me in the credits ????.An Alistair McDonald of the wall Street Journal also contacted me when he was covering an auction of William McGonagalls works...he also mentioned me in his report....so as you see I've been pretty involved with the life and times of William Topaz McGonagall !I haven't proved any relationship to him..but as I said I feel that there would be, if only a descendant would have a YDNA test. Thanks RuthFrank~~~~~~~~~~> To: lanark@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:27:50 -0800 > Subject: [Lanark] Poems by Wm McGonagalls > From: lanark@rootsweb.com > > Frank: > > Go to GOOGLE & see what they have there. > Your relative & some of his poems are there! > > Ruth > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Just can't help but join in. As someone with Scottish family this discussion on dialects has been very absorbing. Same the world over. Here in some parts of Australia we use the term "bower bird" to mean the equivalent of Anne's comments below." Wikipedia describes the actions of a bower bird as "In and around the bower, the male places a variety of brightly coloured objects he has collected. These objects - usually different among each species - may include hundreds of shells, leaves, flowers, feathers, stones, berries, and even discarded plastic items, coins, nails, rifle shells, or pieces of glass. The males spend hours arranging this collection." As someone who is a long time hoarder, I am often described as a bower bird by family. I understood the "Lighting of the blue touch-paper" although it is now an uncommon expression in my parts. Regards Ian Scott Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess via Sent: Friday, 15 January 2016 4:08 PM To: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@shaw.ca>; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] "Speak properly" Nivard? Is that a deliberate lightingof the blue touch-paper? > Very interesting - but perhaps you could define "jackdaw"? A jackdaw http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4505383 is a species of crow which is well-known for collecting small and often shiny objects to decorate its nest. By extension the word is sometimes used metaphorically for a person who likes to collect and hoard things. Anne <snip>

When I was at school we had to learn a poem called The Jackdaw of Rheims You can read it at http://www.bartleby.com/246/108.html Iain McKenzie On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Ken Harrison via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Anne, thank you. > That's a new one on me. Is it similar to a magpie? > > Ken Harrison > North Vancouver, Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.listmail@btinternet.com] > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:08 AM > To: Ken Harrison; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] "Speak properly" Nivard? Is that a deliberate > lightingof the blue touch-paper? > > > Very interesting - but perhaps you could define "jackdaw"? > > A jackdaw http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4505383 is a species > of crow which is well-known for collecting small and often shiny > objects to decorate its nest. By extension the word is sometimes > used metaphorically for a person who likes to collect and hoard > things. > > Anne > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Has anyone had a problem with missing images which they have bought from Scotlands People online ?..I have a copy of the Poet ?..William McGonagalls death in 1902 which I must have purchased from Scotlands People..it's missing on my list of purchases ..I contacted them but they say they can't locate it either.I wonder how many more I am missing ?I think I remember someone posting this problem some time agoFrank McGonigal

Frank: Go to GOOGLE & see what they have there. Your relative & some of his poems are there! Ruth

In the years before he died, my Dad's Scots accent came more and more to the fore. He'd left his SW Scotland home in his 20s, gone to uni, joined the Merchant Navy, the Air Force then the Manchester Police Force and his lovely accent had been mellowed somewhat. Lovely then, in his last few years, to hear his home language return. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of edward paxton via Sent: Friday, 15 January 2016 4:38 AM To: Celia Renshaw; <LANARK@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Glasgow sound has stayed the same Celia I am delighted to say that Matt Baker on Countryfile, is from County Durham, so a Wearsider rather than a Geordie. MUCH more refined ;-) So was my grandfather, and 80 years in Glasgow didn't mellow his Sunderland accent one bit! Having spent 35 years of my working life in London, and living in Surrey, I had to very quickly change my accent as no-one could understand me when I first moved south. It wasn't so much the strength of Glasgow accent, after all I was from Langside ;-) (that's Langside pronounced "Lengside"), but the baritone voice which made it sound much more guttural. I raised my voice an octave, slowed down a little and it mellowed by itself. I damaged my vocal chords doing this, so now that I'm approaching the time to hang my boots up, I am planning to drop my voice back to its normal octave. Enjoying the discussion - nice one Maisie. Edward On 14 January 2016 at 11:53, Celia Renshaw via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Nivard, I think it's dialect rather than accent that usually causes > understanding issues. Here in my adopted county I love it when people > speak in one of the Derbyshire dialects but that wouldn't work for BBC > announcers or any other nationwide public service. I agree we need > clear understandable language for that, free of dialect that people > outside a particular location won't understand, but regional accents > with it are fine and dandy with me. My favourite is Geordie (eg. that > nice chap on Countryfile) - and I remember seeing the results of a > survey of call centre callers who voted for the accent they most liked > to hear when they rang up - and it was Geordie. > > Whereas someone speaking Geordie dialect... different matter. > Phrase-books and interpreters required. Judging by the fascinating > info posted here about Glasgow dialect, same applies with that, even > for me who had a Glasgow dad. But I feel sure the speakers of Geordie > and Glaswegian do nevertheless think they're speaking "properly" :) > > I don't watch the news these days so have no worries about desk or > no-desk - though I caught a few seconds of BBC news the other night, > and chap was behind a desk, like in olden times. > > Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield, Derbyshire > > On 14 January 2016 at 10:29, Nivard Ovington via <lanark@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > Hi Celia > > > > Light blue touch paper? > > > > Not at all, at least it wasn't my intention in any way, I mean speak > > properly in the accepted and general usage sense > > > > Meaning speak clearly with little or no accent so the majority of > > people can understand what that person is saying wherever that > > person is watching or listening from > > > > Apart from the left wing BBC and regional accents, in business if > > you were trying to get on and spoke with say a thick (meaning > > strong) Geordie accent you are *less* likely to get on than someone > > of similar ability who spoke without an accent (there will always be > > exceptions to the rule of course but in the main) > > > > Its just plain common sense > > > > I do not include myself in the "speaking proper" bracket as I have a > > Leicestershire accent, *I* don't think I do :-) but others certainly > > do > > > > I have no problem with speaking to others day to day in whatever > > accent or dialect they may have but for some things plain > > understandable speech is preferred, at least by me anyway > > > > I don't particularly mind regional accents for reading the news in > > the region they are from etc but prefer plain clear speech and I do > > wish they would put newsreaders back behind a desk, I hate them > > wandering all over the studio, they always look uncomfortable > > reporting whilst standing there > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 14/01/2016 09:28, Celia Renshaw via wrote: > >> "Speak properly" Nivard? Is that a deliberate lighting of the blue > touch-paper? > >> > >> I've been very happy in recent years to hear 'regional' accents on > >> the BBC - the programme announcers, local news journalists and so > >> forth - so if the BBC is anything to go by, as it always was (we > >> used to talk of BBC English), then regional accents ARE speaking > >> properly these days :) > >> > >> Celia Renshaw > >> Chesterfield, Derbyshire > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. 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I'm with you on this, Maisie. Within a week of emigrating to Australia I had developed the Australian accent to be used at school while maintaining the Manchester one for home. The fear was that I would slip up and use the wrong accent and so invite the dreaded teasing. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain McKenzie via Sent: Friday, 15 January 2016 3:15 AM To: Maisie Egger; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Glasgow sound has stayed the same Maisie, Being trilingual, you were not alone, according to a programme on BBC Radio 4. Linguists have discovered that it is quite usual for teenagers to have five versions of their language that they use; typically one for use at home, one for the classroom and one for the playground, plus others. They did not mix them up. My memory at Hillington primary school was that you could not tell much about a person by the speech they used in class, but once you were in the playground you could almost tell which street they lived in by the nuances of their playground speech. Thank you for starting this thread. I'm sure it is one we all have a view on. Iain McKenzie On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Researchers say that the Glaswegian sound has stayed the same, > > The Jan/Feb 2016 issue of The Highlander magazine is a bit more > informative than this Google link, though the research is by the same > person: > > > http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/619869/Future-Scottish-accents-soundi > ng-good > > The Highlander magazine heading: “Scottish Accents Endure While > England’s Disappear” is maybe a bit of a glittering generality as > English friends and relatives seem to have the same speech pattern as they started out with. > > To me, the Glasgow ‘wye o’ speakin’ is ‘murder polis’ and has indeed > not changed a bit! Noted before, since coming to North American, I > have had to train myself to soften the Glasgow way of speaking as no > one could understand me, yet I did not consider myself rough spoken. > Being an office worker one had to smooth the edges off a bit when answering the phone. > > As a young office girl I was tri-lingual(!): the house speech where > my mother would not tolerate even acceptable Scottish words---standard > English in this house, please; business office lingo, then street > patter if one were associating with others outside of one’s normal > purlieu. A little tip off would be if a young teenage girl from > another street would ask if you went to the jiggin’. Jiggin’? No, > you’d answer politely, I’m too young to be allowed to go to (the) dancing. > > Researchers at the University of Glasgow concluded from audio > recordings dating from WWI that English regional accents are becoming > more homogenized than Scots accents. The assumption was that > traditional regional accents throughout the U.K. were being softened and dying out. > > The contention is that Glaswegian is less liable to change than what > is going on in areas of England. Whether from a rough part of Glasgow > or the more refined west end, it would appear, according to this > research, that all levels of the Glasgow way of speaking have been > maintained without too much change. > > Again, it all depends on where one lives in Glasgow and how a > particular area affects the speech pattern. If one is a bit more > refined one could be ‘accused’ of speaking with a Kelvinside accent (west side of Glasgow). > Also, if one were university educated, Glasgow or otherwise, it is > almost a foregone conclusion that the edges have been taken off the > typical-sounding Glaswegian’s voice. One of my mother’s sisters > attended Glasgow University and sounded so much more ‘refined,’ shall we say, than her four sisters. > > To quote “Ah’m no’ a herry fae Ferry Street!” --- I am not a hairy > (tough, loud, mouthy person) person from Fairy Street! > > Maisie > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click > on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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