Hi Mary I note that there is a message on the website Cousins Connect, dated December 2015, from a child of Ena Ruby Crichton Haining looking for their birth mother. It also gives some details of the family and mentions her brother as Ronald (not Robert). You might also like to check New Zealand and Australian records, as some Rhodesians migrated to these countries during the Southern Rhodesia civil war, if you cannot find them in Scotland. Kind regards, Linda -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harper via Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 8:41 AM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] HAINING Family - Glasgow/Kilmarnock Hello - I'm new to this site. I'm looking for info on the present whereabouts of the members, or their descendants, of the Haining family who left Scotland to live in Southern Rhodesia. According to Ships Passenger Lists, their address at the time of leaving Scotland was: 376 Abercromby Street, Glasgow. Robert Haining Snr, a motor mechanic, travelled in 1947 and his family followed in 1948 - wife Elizabeth and children Moira, Robert and Ena Ruby. In 1952 Elizabeth and children paid a visit to Scotland, at which time they stayed at 3 Clark Street, Kilmarnock, which may have been where mother Elizabeth originated from. They were known to be still in Rhodesia in 1967, but I have found no reference to them in Rhodesia or South Africa thereafter. The likelihood is they would have returned to Scotland in the 1970's when civil war broke out in Rhodesia. Robert and/or Elizabeth would probably have had parents and siblings with whom they kept in touch, some of whom may still be alive and who could possibly provide information on what became of them after leaving Southern Rhodesia. It is also quite likely that Moira, Robert and Ena Ruby are alive and living somewhere in Scotland. If anyone can help me trace this family or their relatives, I would be extremely grateful. Thank you and best wishes, Mary Harper ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello - I'm new to this site. I'm looking for info on the present whereabouts of the members, or their descendants, of the Haining family who left Scotland to live in Southern Rhodesia. According to Ships Passenger Lists, their address at the time of leaving Scotland was: 376 Abercromby Street, Glasgow. Robert Haining Snr, a motor mechanic, travelled in 1947 and his family followed in 1948 - wife Elizabeth and children Moira, Robert and Ena Ruby. In 1952 Elizabeth and children paid a visit to Scotland, at which time they stayed at 3 Clark Street, Kilmarnock, which may have been where mother Elizabeth originated from. They were known to be still in Rhodesia in 1967, but I have found no reference to them in Rhodesia or South Africa thereafter. The likelihood is they would have returned to Scotland in the 1970's when civil war broke out in Rhodesia. Robert and/or Elizabeth would probably have had parents and siblings with whom they kept in touch, some of whom may still be alive and who could possibly provide information on what became of them after leaving Southern Rhodesia. It is also quite likely that Moira, Robert and Ena Ruby are alive and living somewhere in Scotland. If anyone can help me trace this family or their relatives, I would be extremely grateful. Thank you and best wishes, Mary Harper

One for Maisie perhaps ;-) <http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/google-translate-adds-scottish-gaelic.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+BritishGenesGenealogyNewsAndEvents+%28British+GENES+%28GEnealogy+News+and+EventS%29%29> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Irene Just for clarity I think you meant to say that England has no *open* census post 1911 We have a 1921 which will be open 2022 The 1931 was totally destroyed by a fire The 1941 was not taken due to the war So the next after that is the 1951 to be released in 2052 The redaction in the 1939 NIR is not actually haphazard, it does follow the rules laid down Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/02/2016 18:30, Irene Macleod via wrote: > Hi Maisie Yes it's Findmypast that it's on. As soon as I return the > grandchildren to their parents I'm going to have a look at it. Yes > it's got info similar to census but remember England has no census > later than 1911.....the 100 year closure is strictly applied. The > redaction is applied to people who might still be alive....but it > seems to be a bit haphazardly applied. I got your email about the > prisoner camp in Rothesay. When I was at school in the 60s it was a > holiday camp owned by the Co-op. I wasn't aware that it was used > during the war. I've had the grandchildren all week....it's half > term. Mummy is coming up on Saturday to take them home on Sunday. > I've enjoyed their company but it's quite tiring running around after > them. Irene --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Maisie Yes it's Findmypast that it's on. As soon as I return the grandchildren to their parents I'm going to have a look at it. Yes it's got info similar to census but remember England has no census later than 1911.....the 100 year closure is strictly applied. The redaction is applied to people who might still be alive....but it seems to be a bit haphazardly applied. I got your email about the prisoner camp in Rothesay. When I was at school in the 60s it was a holiday camp owned by the Co-op. I wasn't aware that it was used during the war. I've had the grandchildren all week....it's half term. Mummy is coming up on Saturday to take them home on Sunday. I've enjoyed their company but it's quite tiring running around after them. Irene Sent from my iPad > On 18 Feb 2016, at 17:44, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > My English research friend Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list forwarded the Register for 1939 (which I think he found on Find My Past), but I am not sure what this Register means as it seemed to be like the same information recorded on a census. > > Malcolm was able to find some ‘removed’ relatives whose forebears started out in southwest Scotland before moving south to England where they seemed to have ‘upgraded’ their employment status from agricultural labourer to such as shopkeeper or insurance agent. > > In the 1939 Register entries for Clitheroe, Lancashire and Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, some of the records had been redacted, blacked out with a note superimposed ’This record is officially closed.’ Why redacted, I don’t know. There is not explanatory footnote. > > What intrigued me, however, was the occupation listed as ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ or ‘Housekeeper Unpaid.’ Stay-at-home wives/mothers used to joke that they were ‘unpaid flunkies, but I had no idea that ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ was an official designation for one who was obviously the spouse of the ‘head of household,’ male, i.e. (back then!). Was this an enlightened enumeration term pre-WWII? Needless to say, the head of household, generally the male, had traditional employment listed:, carpenter, farm worker, or if female, shop assistant, Paid Domestic Duties, etc. > > Presently, an historical ‘stay-at-home’ (unpaid!) salary for a mother works out at about $135,000 for a 97 hour week (USA)...depending on who does the survey!...technically, she still qualifies for the designated occupation of ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’! > > > Maisie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie Firstly its not a census but the 1939 National Identity registration All persons no matter their age were required to register, most did A schedule was left beforehand to be filled in by the head of household with names, date of birth and occupation The enumerator called to collect them and sat down with the head of household and checked the details were correct, he also took the occupation and skills of the person concerned, the unpaid household duties was to differentiate them from a paid cleaner etc , the idea was to build a knowledge of who could do what in the event they may be needed, you are painting a picture of something that wasn't even considered, many wives stayed at home and were unpaid housekeepers no more no less The 1939 included all within England & Wales except for those in the military whether abroad or at bases in the UK Those who are not as yet 100 or have not had proof of death are redacted The 1939 NIR was used as the basis for the NHS register and was used as a working document until 1991, many ladies in 1939 later married and their new name was updated on the NIR If a person is known to have died but is still closed (redacted) you can supply proof to findmypast in the way of a death certificate to have the record opened Ration books were also based on the NIR and some mothers having left off their sons in case of call up, found they had to register them afterwards to get a ration book for them Those who were missed or left off or entered the country after Sep 1939 are not included in this release Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/02/2016 17:44, Maisie Egger via wrote: > My English research friend Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list > forwarded the Register for 1939 (which I think he found on Find My > Past), but I am not sure what this Register means as it seemed to be > like the same information recorded on a census. > > Malcolm was able to find some ‘removed’ relatives whose forebears > started out in southwest Scotland before moving south to England > where they seemed to have ‘upgraded’ their employment status from > agricultural labourer to such as shopkeeper or insurance agent. > > In the 1939 Register entries for Clitheroe, Lancashire and > Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, some of the records had been redacted, > blacked out with a note superimposed ’This record is officially > closed.’ Why redacted, I don’t know. There is not explanatory > footnote. > > What intrigued me, however, was the occupation listed as ‘Unpaid > Domestic Duties’ or ‘Housekeeper Unpaid.’ Stay-at-home wives/mothers > used to joke that they were ‘unpaid flunkies, but I had no idea that > ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ was an official designation for one who was > obviously the spouse of the ‘head of household,’ male, i.e. (back > then!). Was this an enlightened enumeration term pre-WWII? > Needless to say, the head of household, generally the male, had > traditional employment listed:, carpenter, farm worker, or if female, > shop assistant, Paid Domestic Duties, etc. > > Presently, an historical ‘stay-at-home’ (unpaid!) salary for a mother > works out at about $135,000 for a 97 hour week (USA)...depending on > who does the survey!...technically, she still qualifies for the > designated occupation of ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’! > > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

My English research friend Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list forwarded the Register for 1939 (which I think he found on Find My Past), but I am not sure what this Register means as it seemed to be like the same information recorded on a census. Malcolm was able to find some ‘removed’ relatives whose forebears started out in southwest Scotland before moving south to England where they seemed to have ‘upgraded’ their employment status from agricultural labourer to such as shopkeeper or insurance agent. In the 1939 Register entries for Clitheroe, Lancashire and Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, some of the records had been redacted, blacked out with a note superimposed ’This record is officially closed.’ Why redacted, I don’t know. There is not explanatory footnote. What intrigued me, however, was the occupation listed as ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ or ‘Housekeeper Unpaid.’ Stay-at-home wives/mothers used to joke that they were ‘unpaid flunkies, but I had no idea that ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’ was an official designation for one who was obviously the spouse of the ‘head of household,’ male, i.e. (back then!). Was this an enlightened enumeration term pre-WWII? Needless to say, the head of household, generally the male, had traditional employment listed:, carpenter, farm worker, or if female, shop assistant, Paid Domestic Duties, etc. Presently, an historical ‘stay-at-home’ (unpaid!) salary for a mother works out at about $135,000 for a 97 hour week (USA)...depending on who does the survey!...technically, she still qualifies for the designated occupation of ‘Unpaid Domestic Duties’! Maisie

Hello again. Someone from the list very nicely pointed out a significant typo I made in my previous email. I wrote that Jonathan Kearsley emigrated to the US ca 1837 when in fact he emigrated ca 1737. I am very sorry for the confusion. Alexandra

I grew up in Galloway in south west Scotland and went to school there in the mid fifties. There, each classroom had a belt. A minor infraction incurred a belt on one hand - or several belts, depending on how severe the ‘crime'. A more major one and the two hands were held out with one on top of the other. An even more major ‘crime’ and you had to go to the class above to ask the teacher to borrow her belt which was thicker. This you took back to your class teacher who administered the punishment. A really, really naughty ‘ crime’ and you had to go to the headmaster who inflicted his even thicker belt himself. There were about 32 - 34 children in each class. The children were all remarkably well behaved. One would never dream of speaking without putting up your hand first - and, of course, always standing to speak to your teacher. I was a bit of a goody-goody but did receive the belt once in an art lesson. And, I still remember the reason: I had used a pencil when we had specifically been instructed to use charcoal. We knew the rules - and what would happen when we broke them. However, I don’t remember anyone being punished for poor performance in arithmatic, writing or spelling. Worse, we had exams each term. Each class had double desks and we were positioned in the classroom according to our performance in the exams. The top of the class was as the back left, adjacent to the second in the class; third and fourth in front of them etc. The poorest performer was at front right, immediately letting a classroom visitor know who was the ‘brightest' and who was the’ dunce' of the class, labelling them for life. Jose > On 3 Feb 2016, at 20:02, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Delete if one is not interested in narrative commentaries. > > It has been suggested in the media over the past months that in order for such as office workers to improve their health they should stand at their desks rather than sit....” Research suggests that the more we sit, the more we’re likely to develop heart disease and other illnesses,including diabetes and cancer...sitting on the couch watching t.v. or at the computer.... Solution: set the alarm to go off every 30-60 minutes, pace during phone calls and watch less t.v...” > > Fancy that now! The Scottish (Glasgow) Education Authority must have figured this out right from the get-go as teachers’ desks were of standing height (a la Dickens’ sketches), as it were. There were no chairs of comparable height for the teacher to sit at to take the weight off. I don’t even recall the teacher leaning against the desk if tired. After presenting the lessons on the blackboard (none of this transitional green to white ‘plastic’ to smart boards), pupils set to to perform the assignment as the teacher walked up and down the aisles to make sure they were on task, that their handwriting was better than legible, and that they were not cheating! Never once during the whole school day did the teacher sit down. > > Jotters were brought to this high desk for such as spelling or handwriting to be corrected. The desktop was a little lower than the child’s eye-level, so that there was instant feedback as one’s work was checked. Both teacher and pupil stood. > > The inside of this high desk was not like the Labyrinth of Knossos. There was a place for everything and everything in its place, including the coiled up black leather belt at the back of the desk. Why at the back as it was used all too frequently, depending on how “strap happy’ the teacher was! The belt was named strap or tawse. The belt (strap) used in Glasgow was all of one piece and long enough for the teacher to wind around her fist a few times. The Lochgelly strap was eventually deemed illegal in the public schools as the split ends caused the skin to break. > > http://johndick-leathergoods.co.uk/the-true-history-of-the-lochgelly-tawse-times-are-changing.htm > > Depending on the amount of pain to be inflicted, the shorter the length of the strap the less pain to the palm of the hand. If it was a mild infraction, such as copying a wrong number off the board, one got a whack on one ‘single’ palm. If there was a major infraction, such as being too careless with one’s work or talking to one’s classmate (absolutely verboten), one would get a’ double,’ one hand supporting the other so that there was little or no give when the strap came whacking down. On occasion a boy would separate his hands just as the belt descended and it would whack the teacher’s thigh instead. All holy heck would break out and the boy (always a boy!) was ‘invited’ to place one hand on top of the other (a double) on top of this high desk. There was no give as she pressed her fingers on the child’s wrist to prevent ‘escape’ as the belt came slamming down. > > Even a single caused red marks on the palm, and if the belt was brought down hard enough, the pupil would cool his/her palm against the iron support of the desk, fighting back tears, even the ‘tougher’ boys. > > The toughest of the tough rarely felt it a badge of honour to get the belt. No talking back EVER! There was a very minor riot one time though when a boy couldn’t spell worth a hang. He’d been warned that he’d get the belt for each word he mis-spelled. Lo and behold, out he’s ‘invited’ to get the belt for each word out of 10 he spelled wrong. Doubles, not singles: One, two, three four, five whacks...then there was the rumble from the classroom in protest that he’d only mis-spelled three words, the best ever for him. There was no apology, only the comment that the next time he ‘deserved’ the belt he was to remind her. This boy’s father was a j.p., and it’s a wonder there wasn’t a huge outcry at the way he was mistreated. Another time a girl said she was not to get the belt as her sister had fainted. Too bad, that was her sister, put out your hand! > > It would take book to relate the instances of ‘child abuse,’ for that was really what it was. As it was the ‘law,’ there was no recourse unless the parents were strong enough to buck the system in court to defend their children, as eventually happened in the 1990s. > > Charles Dickens’ times? Yes! It took another 50 years before corporal punishment in the schools was finally abolished. > > That was the way schoolchildren were made to toe the mark under the Scottish (Glasgow) Education Authority school system up until the 1990s. Some teachers never used the belt, whilst enough of them were altogether too strap happy. There was indeed ‘order in the court’ and as a result pupils did learn and were not distracted by the bad behaviour of others. > > Maybe standing at their desks all day made the teachers super ‘healthy’ and ‘somebody’ knew something years ago that they are only now figuring out! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Delete if one is not interested in narrative commentaries. It has been suggested in the media over the past months that in order for such as office workers to improve their health they should stand at their desks rather than sit....” Research suggests that the more we sit, the more we’re likely to develop heart disease and other illnesses,including diabetes and cancer...sitting on the couch watching t.v. or at the computer.... Solution: set the alarm to go off every 30-60 minutes, pace during phone calls and watch less t.v...” Fancy that now! The Scottish (Glasgow) Education Authority must have figured this out right from the get-go as teachers’ desks were of standing height (a la Dickens’ sketches), as it were. There were no chairs of comparable height for the teacher to sit at to take the weight off. I don’t even recall the teacher leaning against the desk if tired. After presenting the lessons on the blackboard (none of this transitional green to white ‘plastic’ to smart boards), pupils set to to perform the assignment as the teacher walked up and down the aisles to make sure they were on task, that their handwriting was better than legible, and that they were not cheating! Never once during the whole school day did the teacher sit down. Jotters were brought to this high desk for such as spelling or handwriting to be corrected. The desktop was a little lower than the child’s eye-level, so that there was instant feedback as one’s work was checked. Both teacher and pupil stood. The inside of this high desk was not like the Labyrinth of Knossos. There was a place for everything and everything in its place, including the coiled up black leather belt at the back of the desk. Why at the back as it was used all too frequently, depending on how “strap happy’ the teacher was! The belt was named strap or tawse. The belt (strap) used in Glasgow was all of one piece and long enough for the teacher to wind around her fist a few times. The Lochgelly strap was eventually deemed illegal in the public schools as the split ends caused the skin to break. http://johndick-leathergoods.co.uk/the-true-history-of-the-lochgelly-tawse-times-are-changing.htm Depending on the amount of pain to be inflicted, the shorter the length of the strap the less pain to the palm of the hand. If it was a mild infraction, such as copying a wrong number off the board, one got a whack on one ‘single’ palm. If there was a major infraction, such as being too careless with one’s work or talking to one’s classmate (absolutely verboten), one would get a’ double,’ one hand supporting the other so that there was little or no give when the strap came whacking down. On occasion a boy would separate his hands just as the belt descended and it would whack the teacher’s thigh instead. All holy heck would break out and the boy (always a boy!) was ‘invited’ to place one hand on top of the other (a double) on top of this high desk. There was no give as she pressed her fingers on the child’s wrist to prevent ‘escape’ as the belt came slamming down. Even a single caused red marks on the palm, and if the belt was brought down hard enough, the pupil would cool his/her palm against the iron support of the desk, fighting back tears, even the ‘tougher’ boys. The toughest of the tough rarely felt it a badge of honour to get the belt. No talking back EVER! There was a very minor riot one time though when a boy couldn’t spell worth a hang. He’d been warned that he’d get the belt for each word he mis-spelled. Lo and behold, out he’s ‘invited’ to get the belt for each word out of 10 he spelled wrong. Doubles, not singles: One, two, three four, five whacks...then there was the rumble from the classroom in protest that he’d only mis-spelled three words, the best ever for him. There was no apology, only the comment that the next time he ‘deserved’ the belt he was to remind her. This boy’s father was a j.p., and it’s a wonder there wasn’t a huge outcry at the way he was mistreated. Another time a girl said she was not to get the belt as her sister had fainted. Too bad, that was her sister, put out your hand! It would take book to relate the instances of ‘child abuse,’ for that was really what it was. As it was the ‘law,’ there was no recourse unless the parents were strong enough to buck the system in court to defend their children, as eventually happened in the 1990s. Charles Dickens’ times? Yes! It took another 50 years before corporal punishment in the schools was finally abolished. That was the way schoolchildren were made to toe the mark under the Scottish (Glasgow) Education Authority school system up until the 1990s. Some teachers never used the belt, whilst enough of them were altogether too strap happy. There was indeed ‘order in the court’ and as a result pupils did learn and were not distracted by the bad behaviour of others. Maybe standing at their desks all day made the teachers super ‘healthy’ and ‘somebody’ knew something years ago that they are only now figuring out! Maisie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlq7M2CYow O murder polis! The narrator in this video is neither fish nor fowl. I don’t know where his mixter-maxter ‘dialect’ comes from (I don’t believe he’s really Scottish), but I think the people from Kirkcdubright would be annoyed at their town/shire being pronounced as KIR-CUD (as in dud)-BRIGHT, instead of Kir-COO-brie (brie almost sounds like a cross between bree and bray). Not to mention dropping the ‘t’ in the word Scottish/Scotland throughout the video. I found the whole presentation extremely annoying. However, for those not in tune with such as the Central Belt way of speaking, this could be a little bit edifying, shall we say. To quote Robert Burns from his poem ‘To a Louse,’ with a change in word, “To hear ourselves as others hear us.” Maisie Burns original O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! It wad frae mony a blunder free us, An' foolish notion: What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us, An' ev'n devotion! Standard English translation And would some Power give us the gift To see ourselves as others see us! It would from many a blunder free us, And foolish notion: What airs in dress and gait would leave us, And even devotion!

What great information! I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, during the '50s and learned that Pittsburgers had their own slang, called Pittsburghese. They (I was never permitted to use the slang) said *youse* and *yuns*. I had it explained to me that *youse* was singular and* yuns* was plural. Now I can imagine the origin of the word. There were many Irish immigrants in the Pittsburgh area, my Mum's family being some of them. Thanks Maisie. Jeannette On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/the-history-of-the-glasgow-accent-explained-1-4013218 > > This is not a very good article to explain the whys and wherefores of how > the Glasgow speech pattern came about. > > There was the notion right after the Great Famine (Gorta Mor 1845-49) when > a huge influx of Irish descended on Glasgow that such would change the > Glasgow way of speaking, and it did to some degree. There are certain > regions in Lanarkshire, where many Irish came to work in the coal and steel > industry who have left their linguistic mark. > > Youse is used commonly in some sections of Glasgow/Lanarkshire and in such > as NYC and NJ, where there was a huge influx of Irish after the Great > Famine and afterwards. Whether the influence of the Irish is to blame or > not, there is also a strong tendency among some Glaswegians to drop the ‘t’ > in words such as bottle---bo’le, and Saturday--- Sa’urday. Linguistically > it is referred to as a glottal stop, but in Glasgow such ‘talkers’ would > have been accused of swallying (pronounced as in dallying) their lazy > tongues! London Cockneys omit the middle t in button, as another example, > whereas most American speakers ‘glide over’ many middle consonants, but not > quite a glottal stop: Connecticut sounds like Conne’ticut and Maryland is > Marilyn, as examples. > > The word youse, as in the plural for you, is considered by some to be from > Old English, borrowed from the French vous. This plural form of you > didn’t catch on in the American South where y’all is the preferred usage. > > More than a few Ulster Irish have been influenced by the Central Belt > region, especially Glasgow/Lanarkshire. We hear it on the Scottish side of > the North Channel as being a distinctively Irish way of speaking, but to > most Irish Ulstermen are easily recognised as having their tongue brought > over from ‘across the watter!” Some in Wigtown, almost across the border > from England via the Solway Firth, oddly enough have a strong Irish > inflection, harking back to the influence of Dal Riata and the busy comings > and goings of both Irish and Scots. > > It’s been an ongoing linguistic journey, but no matter what the academics > write, “Glasgow Belongs to Me” and so does its patter! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/the-history-of-the-glasgow-accent-explained-1-4013218 This is not a very good article to explain the whys and wherefores of how the Glasgow speech pattern came about. There was the notion right after the Great Famine (Gorta Mor 1845-49) when a huge influx of Irish descended on Glasgow that such would change the Glasgow way of speaking, and it did to some degree. There are certain regions in Lanarkshire, where many Irish came to work in the coal and steel industry who have left their linguistic mark. Youse is used commonly in some sections of Glasgow/Lanarkshire and in such as NYC and NJ, where there was a huge influx of Irish after the Great Famine and afterwards. Whether the influence of the Irish is to blame or not, there is also a strong tendency among some Glaswegians to drop the ‘t’ in words such as bottle---bo’le, and Saturday--- Sa’urday. Linguistically it is referred to as a glottal stop, but in Glasgow such ‘talkers’ would have been accused of swallying (pronounced as in dallying) their lazy tongues! London Cockneys omit the middle t in button, as another example, whereas most American speakers ‘glide over’ many middle consonants, but not quite a glottal stop: Connecticut sounds like Conne’ticut and Maryland is Marilyn, as examples. The word youse, as in the plural for you, is considered by some to be from Old English, borrowed from the French vous. This plural form of you didn’t catch on in the American South where y’all is the preferred usage. More than a few Ulster Irish have been influenced by the Central Belt region, especially Glasgow/Lanarkshire. We hear it on the Scottish side of the North Channel as being a distinctively Irish way of speaking, but to most Irish Ulstermen are easily recognised as having their tongue brought over from ‘across the watter!” Some in Wigtown, almost across the border from England via the Solway Firth, oddly enough have a strong Irish inflection, harking back to the influence of Dal Riata and the busy comings and goings of both Irish and Scots. It’s been an ongoing linguistic journey, but no matter what the academics write, “Glasgow Belongs to Me” and so does its patter! Maisie

http://www.scotsman.com/news/the-scottish-diaspora-how-scots-spread-across-the-globe-1-4011012 http://www.electricscotland.com/history/articles/migration_scotland.htm This link details the Lithuanians who came to work in the coalfields in Coatbridge. My nephew in Coatbridge indicated that there are a few left of Lithuanian heritage in Coatbridge. Interesting how Scots consider themselves to be homogeneaously Scots when they are a hodge-podge like some other countries. Maisie

> A few years ago, I was visiting family in rural Aberdeenshire. > Lovely, welcoming, large , happy family , lots of stories and > lots of laughter. With a lot, and I mean, a Lot, of > concentration, I got the gist of what they were telling me, > with me doing a lot of smiling and nodding. > Several talking at once, and the more excited they became, the > less I understood them, became a totally foreign language to > me. Sitting beside me was another cousin , from the Orkneys > , I had to keep looking at her to translate for me. At the > end of the visit, I suspect they decided their New Zealand > cousin was a bit dim, couldn't understand the Queens > English. Almost certainly not, in actual fact. Those of us who are privileged to belong between the Tay and the Spey are very much aware of our special linguistic heritage and the fact that when the dialect is spoken fluently it is difficult, if not impossible, for someone from south or west of the Tay or west of the Spey to understand it, let alone someone from the Antipodes, and none of us would ever call it or think of it as the Queen's English. If anything, they probably felt a little guilty that in their enthusiasm for conversation they had embarrassed you. Anne

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Is no wonder that some new immigrants find it so difficult to learn English, with all the variations spoken. A few years ago, I was visiting family in rural Aberdeenshire. Lovely, welcoming, large , happy family , lots of stories and lots of laughter. With a lot, and I mean, a Lot, of concentration, I got the gist of what they were telling me, with me doing a lot of smiling and nodding. Several talking at once, and the more excited they became, the less I understood them, became a totally foreign language to me. Sitting beside me was another cousin , from the Orkneys , I had to keep looking at her to translate for me. At the end of the visit, I suspect they decided their New Zealand cousin was a bit dim, couldn't understand the Queens English. At the time, I thought, too, that my Aunt in Perthshire ( where my Father was brought up ) used some seriously weird words and phrases at times, but generally speaking she was easy to understand. Mary -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:22 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Scottish Word Today---Slang Jan 19,2016 SCOTTISH WORD for TODAY January 19, 2016 SLANG Wazzok On t.v. this evening a certain U.S. wanna-be President was referred to by someone in the British Parliament as a wazzok. It apparently has its roots in Northern England and means an idiot or daft person: Was fairly rare in Yorkshire before Capstick's popularisation of it in 1981. “You great useless spawny-eyed parrot-faced wazzock.” (Tony Capstick, 1981) Equivalent of the use of wazzok In parts of Scotland would be the following: Glaikit – stupid. Ye’re a glaikit wee soul, so ye are. Kin ye no pick up efter yersel’? Skinny Malinky Langlegs!* --- A lang dreep o’ watter (a long drip of water) --- A tall thin person. Gaun yer dinger ---Going off the deep end...(or going postal). Gie it laldy---Give it its worth. Puggled---He’s fair puggled, so he is. ppl. adj. Scots (Lallans) and Scottish vernacular. knackered, done for, finished, defeated, frustrated, under the weather v. Puggle. (Of recent slang origin, may correspond with the Eng. military slang "puggled", very drunk, believed to be from Hindustani "pagal", mad, furious, but may derive from buggered, and possibly influenced by Scots Pauchle, puzzled) ---------------------------------- (A tad vulgar, though anything goes nowadays!) Lanark contributor, John Duncan, used to get a kick out of this: *Skinny Malinky lang legs big banana feet, went tae the pictures but couldnae find a seat; when the picture started Skinny Malinky farted, Skinny Malinky lang legs big banana feet. Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Language reflects and carries culture. We're a' uncos! -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Legarth via Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 9:19 AM To: 'Maisie Egger'; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Scottish Words and Language Is no wonder that some new immigrants find it so difficult to learn English, with all the variations spoken. A few years ago, I was visiting family in rural Aberdeenshire. Lovely, welcoming, large , happy family , lots of stories and lots of laughter. With a lot, and I mean, a Lot, of concentration, I got the gist of what they were telling me, with me doing a lot of smiling and nodding. Several talking at once, and the more excited they became, the less I understood them, became a totally foreign language to me. Sitting beside me was another cousin , from the Orkneys , I had to keep looking at her to translate for me. At the end of the visit, I suspect they decided their New Zealand cousin was a bit dim, couldn't understand the Queens English. At the time, I thought, too, that my Aunt in Perthshire ( where my Father was brought up ) used some seriously weird words and phrases at times, but generally speaking she was easy to understand. Mary -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:22 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Scottish Word Today---Slang Jan 19,2016 SCOTTISH WORD for TODAY January 19, 2016 SLANG Wazzok On t.v. this evening a certain U.S. wanna-be President was referred to by someone in the British Parliament as a wazzok. It apparently has its roots in Northern England and means an idiot or daft person: Was fairly rare in Yorkshire before Capstick's popularisation of it in 1981. “You great useless spawny-eyed parrot-faced wazzock.” (Tony Capstick, 1981) Equivalent of the use of wazzok In parts of Scotland would be the following: Glaikit – stupid. Ye’re a glaikit wee soul, so ye are. Kin ye no pick up efter yersel’? Skinny Malinky Langlegs!* --- A lang dreep o’ watter (a long drip of water) --- A tall thin person. Gaun yer dinger ---Going off the deep end...(or going postal). Gie it laldy---Give it its worth. Puggled---He’s fair puggled, so he is. ppl. adj. Scots (Lallans) and Scottish vernacular. knackered, done for, finished, defeated, frustrated, under the weather v. Puggle. (Of recent slang origin, may correspond with the Eng. military slang "puggled", very drunk, believed to be from Hindustani "pagal", mad, furious, but may derive from buggered, and possibly influenced by Scots Pauchle, puzzled) ---------------------------------- (A tad vulgar, though anything goes nowadays!) Lanark contributor, John Duncan, used to get a kick out of this: *Skinny Malinky lang legs big banana feet, went tae the pictures but couldnae find a seat; when the picture started Skinny Malinky farted, Skinny Malinky lang legs big banana feet. Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie & all There is a little more to it than just that There are a few changes They are adding the Eng/Welsh 1939 National Identity Register to the 12 month subscription, World or British from the 16th Feb 2016 They are freezing present subscribers subscription prices, new subscriptions will rise by 20% (I think that is new subscriptions from the 16th Feb) And they are having a free weekend 22nd to 25th Jan 2016 (excludes the 1939 & electoral rolls) Present subscribers will have three days added to their subscriptions Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/01/2016 20:21, Maisie Egger via wrote: > http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/findmypast-to-increase-subscriptions.html > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Jeannette who are your Thornton's I have Thornton and my gran was also a Thornton Regards jean ________________________________________ From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com <lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Jeannette Walton via <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 3:30 AM To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Looking for Greg Townsend I have corresponded with Greg Townsend in 2010, and would like to find him again, regarding my THORNTONs. Is he still on the list? Thank you, Jeannette Walton ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message