Scotlandspeople has your answer. Helen Davidson Cassels is coming up in the index as being born in 1894 in Lanarkshire. Her birth cert should give you the date of her parents marriage as well as the other info. And that marriage cert should give the names of Helens grandparents. Irene Sent from my iPad > On 24 Mar 2016, at 23:04, Bart Simon via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello: I am new to this list. Helen Davidson Cassels (b:c.1894 Low Hill, Scotland) m:24-12-1914 Stellarton, Nova Scotia to Matthew Blair Murray (bp:30-09-1891 Airdrie, Lanarkshire d:30-03-1918 WWI). Her parents should be Bryce Cassels (b:11-06-1868 Carluke, Lanarkshire) m. ('Jeonie' ???). His parents (MBM) should be Robert Murray and Mary (Blair ?). Matthew Blair Murray and Helen Davidson Cassels have a son Bryce Cassels Murray (b:10-02-1917 Law Junction, Lanarkshire d:1982 Byo, Zim). It seems.... I would like to know the following: > > 1. Helen Davidson Cassels: Her bp. date/place, her mother’s full name. > 2. Robert Murray’s wife Mary (Blair ?): That her surname was Blair, and where and when did they marry ?. > 3. Where would (Low Hill, Scotland) be ?. > > Thanks – Bart [!!!] .... > ======================= > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: I am new to this list. Helen Davidson Cassels (b:c.1894 Low Hill, Scotland) m:24-12-1914 Stellarton, Nova Scotia to Matthew Blair Murray (bp:30-09-1891 Airdrie, Lanarkshire d:30-03-1918 WWI). Her parents should be Bryce Cassels (b:11-06-1868 Carluke, Lanarkshire) m. ('Jeonie' ???). His parents (MBM) should be Robert Murray and Mary (Blair ?). Matthew Blair Murray and Helen Davidson Cassels have a son Bryce Cassels Murray (b:10-02-1917 Law Junction, Lanarkshire d:1982 Byo, Zim). It seems.... I would like to know the following: 1. Helen Davidson Cassels: Her bp. date/place, her mother’s full name. 2. Robert Murray’s wife Mary (Blair ?): That her surname was Blair, and where and when did they marry ?. 3. Where would (Low Hill, Scotland) be ?. Thanks – Bart [!!!] .... =======================

You can find birth, death, marriage and census info on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It is the official government site for viewing/downloading the information. You will get the actual registry pages with all available information for the BMDs. It is a pay to view/download site but has very reasonable costs. All such BMD records in Scotland give the mother's maiden name. As for the location of Low Hill, you will get that from the birth record also. Jo-Ann Croft On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Bart Simon via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello: I am new to this list. Helen Davidson Cassels (b:c.1894 Low Hill, > Scotland) m:24-12-1914 Stellarton, Nova Scotia to Matthew Blair Murray > (bp:30-09-1891 Airdrie, Lanarkshire d:30-03-1918 WWI). Her parents should > be Bryce Cassels (b:11-06-1868 Carluke, Lanarkshire) m. ('Jeonie' ???). His > parents (MBM) should be Robert Murray and Mary (Blair ?). Matthew Blair > Murray and Helen Davidson Cassels have a son Bryce Cassels Murray > (b:10-02-1917 Law Junction, Lanarkshire d:1982 Byo, Zim). It seems.... I > would like to know the following: > > 1. Helen Davidson Cassels: Her bp. date/place, her mother’s full name. > 2. Robert Murray’s wife Mary (Blair ?): That her surname was Blair, and > where and when did they marry ?. > 3. Where would (Low Hill, Scotland) be ?. > > Thanks – Bart [!!!] .... >

Probably an EDINBURGH company, I'd expect Cliff - they've always been a bit jealous of us... ;-)) Edward On 24 March 2016 at 14:40, Cliff. Johnston via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Maisie, > Ach, the survey must have been done by an English or French company ;-) > Good hunting, > Cliff. > > On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:35 PM, Maisie Egger via < > lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/where-is-scotland-s-kindest-city-1-4080291 > > Glasgow is placed 18th and London the last at 19th as the kindest city. > Cannae believe it, so ah cannae! > > That is a load of hogswill as Glasgow has always been rated as the > friendliest city...so friendliest should not be equated with kindest? > > Belfast is listed as second kindest...japers, with all “The Troubles” that > have beset that country yet it’s still rated second kindest! > > To Glasgow: Here’s tae us wha’ like us? Damn few an’ they’re a’ deid! > > > https://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/heres-tae-us-whas-like-us-damn-few-and-theyre-a-deid/ > > Not all from Glasgow on the link, but enough to be proud of being a Glesga > keelie, says wan o’ them! > > Maisie > Former Glaswegian > Paso Robles, California > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- *Edward*

Maisie, Ach, the survey must have been done by an English or French company ;-) Good hunting, Cliff. On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:35 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/where-is-scotland-s-kindest-city-1-4080291 Glasgow is placed 18th and London the last at 19th as the kindest city. Cannae believe it, so ah cannae! That is a load of hogswill as Glasgow has always been rated as the friendliest city...so friendliest should not be equated with kindest? Belfast is listed as second kindest...japers, with all “The Troubles” that have beset that country yet it’s still rated second kindest! To Glasgow:  Here’s tae us wha’ like us? Damn few an’ they’re a’ deid! https://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/heres-tae-us-whas-like-us-damn-few-and-theyre-a-deid/ Not all from Glasgow on the link, but enough to be proud of being a Glesga keelie, says wan o’ them! Maisie Former Glaswegian Paso Robles, California   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/where-is-scotland-s-kindest-city-1-4080291 Glasgow is placed 18th and London the last at 19th as the kindest city. Cannae believe it, so ah cannae! That is a load of hogswill as Glasgow has always been rated as the friendliest city...so friendliest should not be equated with kindest? Belfast is listed as second kindest...japers, with all “The Troubles” that have beset that country yet it’s still rated second kindest! To Glasgow: Here’s tae us wha’ like us? Damn few an’ they’re a’ deid! https://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/heres-tae-us-whas-like-us-damn-few-and-theyre-a-deid/ Not all from Glasgow on the link, but enough to be proud of being a Glesga keelie, says wan o’ them! Maisie Former Glaswegian Paso Robles, California

Thanks for the interesting links, Maisie. I note in the text that the name Johnston is lumped in with "son of" names eg, Donaldson but I believe that the name Johnston is derived from John's toun or John's town. The English Johnson is a "son of" name. All the Best, John (Johnston)

I have an line from Fife which started out as Kingo, changed to Kenzie and then McKenzie. The name changed with the language used and the "ear" of the recorder. Jo-Ann On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I do not know, except that McWhinnie sounds Irish...and how right I was: > http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/McWhinnie > > Now how it turned around to be McKenzie is a puzzle. McKenzie is sometimes > pronounced McKenjie or McKengie (as in sengie, as in the ing in > sing/sang/song/bring, with the ing being soft, if I'm explaining myself). > McKengie could then have been softened to McWhinnie. All a huge guess, of > course. > > M.E. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ruth.enns via > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:18 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from > > Where does it come from if it is McWHINNIE in Ayrshire but changed later > to > McKENZIE in Lanark & WHY the change?? > > Ruth > > >

These things often come from the Scots Gaelic spelling, which could be very different, and the local Scottish pronunciations. Dora -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns via Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:18 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from Where does it come from if it is McWHINNIE in Ayrshire but changed later to McKENZIE in Lanark & WHY the change?? Ruth Subject: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/map-where-in-scotland-does-your-surname-come-from-1-4078418 Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

MAISIE Those my be your theories but not ones I have been able to prove over many years of research with BD &M & Census certificates. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger via Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:53 PM To: Jo Ann Croft ; LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from I just wrote to Ruth Enns as her McWhinnie (it’s supposedly an Irish name) somehow became McKenzie. It’s possible that McKenzie was pronounced differently depending on where one came from: McKingie (as in McKinsie --- instead of Mc KEnsie), McKingie (as in McKingy---stingy) then McKinghie as in McKinghay). I’m sure there were other pronunciations but those are the ones I heard most commonly in Glasgow where I grew up. Maisie From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:35 PM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: ruth.enns Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from I have an line from Fife which started out as Kingo, changed to Kenzie and then McKenzie. The name changed with the language used and the "ear" of the recorder. Jo-Ann On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: I do not know, except that McWhinnie sounds Irish...and how right I was: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/McWhinnie Now how it turned around to be McKenzie is a puzzle. McKenzie is sometimes pronounced McKenjie or McKengie (as in sengie, as in the ing in sing/sang/song/bring, with the ing being soft, if I'm explaining myself). McKengie could then have been softened to McWhinnie. All a huge guess, of course. M.E. -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns via Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:18 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from Where does it come from if it is McWHINNIE in Ayrshire but changed later to McKENZIE in Lanark & WHY the change?? Ruth ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Her again! McWhinnie appears to be Irish, so it would seem to me that someone deliberately changesd it to McKenzie...maybe to fit in as there might have been some anti-Irish stuff going on at the time. I don't know...but Dora does! -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith via Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:09 PM To: ruth.enns ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from These things often come from the Scots Gaelic spelling, which could be very different, and the local Scottish pronunciations. Dora -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns via Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:18 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from Where does it come from if it is McWHINNIE in Ayrshire but changed later to McKENZIE in Lanark & WHY the change?? Ruth Subject: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/map-where-in-scotland-does-your-surname-come-from-1-4078418 Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the link Maisie, a very interesting article. Susan -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Monday, 21 March 2016 3:12 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] All Jock Tamson's bairns...again https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/17/a-mans-discovery-of-b ones-under-his-pub-could-forever-change-what-we-know-about-the-irish/?wpisrc =nl_az_most ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just wrote to Ruth Enns as her McWhinnie (it’s supposedly an Irish name) somehow became McKenzie. It’s possible that McKenzie was pronounced differently depending on where one came from: McKingie (as in McKinsie --- instead of Mc KEnsie), McKingie (as in McKingy---stingy) then McKinghie as in McKinghay). I’m sure there were other pronunciations but those are the ones I heard most commonly in Glasgow where I grew up. Maisie From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:35 PM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: ruth.enns Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from I have an line from Fife which started out as Kingo, changed to Kenzie and then McKenzie. The name changed with the language used and the "ear" of the recorder. Jo-Ann On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: I do not know, except that McWhinnie sounds Irish...and how right I was: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/McWhinnie Now how it turned around to be McKenzie is a puzzle. McKenzie is sometimes pronounced McKenjie or McKengie (as in sengie, as in the ing in sing/sang/song/bring, with the ing being soft, if I'm explaining myself). McKengie could then have been softened to McWhinnie. All a huge guess, of course. M.E. -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns via Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:18 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from Where does it come from if it is McWHINNIE in Ayrshire but changed later to McKENZIE in Lanark & WHY the change?? Ruth

I do not know, except that McWhinnie sounds Irish...and how right I was: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/McWhinnie Now how it turned around to be McKenzie is a puzzle. McKenzie is sometimes pronounced McKenjie or McKengie (as in sengie, as in the ing in sing/sang/song/bring, with the ing being soft, if I'm explaining myself). McKengie could then have been softened to McWhinnie. All a huge guess, of course. M.E. -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns via Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:18 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from Where does it come from if it is McWHINNIE in Ayrshire but changed later to McKENZIE in Lanark & WHY the change?? Ruth Subject: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/map-where-in-scotland-does-your-surname-come-from-1-4078418 Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where does it come from if it is McWHINNIE in Ayrshire but changed later to McKENZIE in Lanark & WHY the change?? Ruth Subject: [Lanark] Where in Scotland does your surname come from http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/map-where-in-scotland-does-your-surname-come-from-1-4078418 Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/map-where-in-scotland-does-your-surname-come-from-1-4078418 Maisie

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/17/a-mans-discovery-of-bones-under-his-pub-could-forever-change-what-we-know-about-the-irish/?wpisrc=nl_az_most

It was pointed out in an article on St. Patrick's Day, that most people in the U.S. who had ancestors living in the U.S. before 1800, have some Scotch Irish ancestry, whether they know it or not. Many people also have Protestant Irish ancestors who came later, from both Scotland and England. In addition to the Catholic Irish who emigrated in the mid 19th century. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger via Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:55 AM To: ruth.enns ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: HAPPY 17th of Ireland! Is this your own wish, Ruth? My mother has Irish on her side, but my father was mainly Scottish with a smidgin of English...so I am a product of the British Isles and not just Scotland. -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns via Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:29 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Fw: HAPPY 17th of Ireland! ! To all those who are IRISH & those who wish they were!!! Ruth ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this your own wish, Ruth? My mother has Irish on her side, but my father was mainly Scottish with a smidgin of English...so I am a product of the British Isles and not just Scotland. -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns via Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:29 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Fw: HAPPY 17th of Ireland! ! To all those who are IRISH & those who wish they were!!! Ruth ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

! To all those who are IRISH & those who wish they were!!! Ruth