http://www.scotsman.com/news/is-your-surname-among-the-20-most-common-in-scotland-1-4100176 Out of the 20 names listed, I can claim four on my tree to make me truly Scottish (?): (2) Brown, (5) Thomson, (8 ) Anderson, (15) Young Anderson is not really a clan name, so one might say that all four names are generic with no particular claim to Scotland. The only hielan’ blood that I can claim are two by the name of McLean and McDougall, but the female progeny did not carry the names down through the generations. My ‘lot’ seem to be rooted mainly in the Southwest area and Central Belt/Lanarkshire areas of Scotland. Throw in a spot of Irish and English and I can claim to be one of Jock Tamson’s bairns. Maisie

Hi Listers I'm looking for birth records (date and location) for the following individuals who are listed in the 1891 Census as resident at 8 Govan Road, Kinning Park, Glasgow. Joan Sinclair, age 17 (Possibly 11 May 1873, Tradestown, Glasgow) Christina Sinclair, age 16 Maggie Sinclair, age 9 Barbara Sinclair, age 6 Magnus Sinclair, age 3 months (Possibly 3 January 1891, Kinning Park, Lanarkshire) Parents are Magnus Sinclair, mariner and Mary Ann Sinclair. Any Assistance greatly appreciated. Neil Fraser Shoal Bay NSW

I see that Scotland's People lists 244 Mary Smiths born in 1862 plus or minus one year who died after 1913. As you say, expensive to do online (£287 if you are really unlucky and she is the 244th one you look at, or if she didn't die in Scotland, or if her mother's maiden name isn't on the certificate because the informant didn't know it.) Given that she obviously spent most of her life in Glasgow, one would start by restricting one's search to those deaths registered in Lanarkshire, of which there were only 66. If she died in Lanarkshire that would cut your maximum cost to £84. Obviously it would be cheaper to spend a day in the Scotland's People Centre, pay the £15 for the day, and plough through the 244 certificates, or as many of them as necessary to find her, but equally obviously that is only practical if you are within reach of Edinburgh or Glasgow. It would be possible to look at 244 certificates in a day if you are not trying to take notes from all of them. You might find a kind volunteer willing to do this, but it could take a significant chunk of the volunteer's day. That's quite a big ask for people who only go occasionally and have their own research to do A more reliable way would be to commission a professional searcher. This would almost certainly be cheaper than £287, but if the first certificate they looked as was hers, then obviously you would lose out. See http://www.asgra.co.uk/ HTH Anne From: Joyce Pavelko via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: lanark@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016, 16:49 Subject: [Lanark] Looking for death record-Mary SMITH-b.1862 I am looking for the death record of an ancestor named Mary Smith. Because of the large number of Mary Smiths listed in Scotland's People, it is cost-prohibitive to pay to view all the records. If anyone has any suggestions, I would be appreciative. I have listed a basic outline of facts we have from various documents. Though she was born in Stirlingshire, her adult life was in Lanarkshire. Relatives remember that she visited the family in Maryland, USA in 1913, but we lost track of her after that year. There is a death record for a Mary Hutton Smith listed in the Perth newspaper index. However, I determined that she is not our ancestor. Apart from her birth record, Mary Smith's middle name of Hutton does not appear on any other documents. Because she did not have any biological children, we suspect that her death record does not give many details, but we would like to find out. Some of the surnames of people who may have signed the death record include: STIRLING-HUNTER-BURROWS-GRANT Thank you, Joyce Here are some of the facts we have: Mary Hutton SMITH b. 16 Mar 1862 Slamannan, Stirlingshire parents: Thomas SMITH and Elizabeth STAFFORD Marriage: 1886 to William SMITH (b.1836-d.1894) in Glasgow Residences: 1871 Slamannan 1881 Glasgow 1886 Arlington St. Glasgow 1891 Renfrew St. Glasgow Arrival/Departure Sep 1913 Glasgow-New York   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Neil, You can get images of those records on scotlandspeople.gov.uk. It is pay to view/download but very reasonable. Also, for this month they are giving 20 free credits using the Voucher Code - scotland. Just enter it in the Voucher Code box on the Buy Credits page. Jo-Ann Croft On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Neil Fraser via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Listers > > I'm looking for birth records (date and location) for the following > individuals who are listed in the 1891 Census as resident at 8 Govan Road, > Kinning Park, Glasgow. > Joan Sinclair, age 17 (Possibly 11 May 1873, Tradestown, Glasgow) > Christina Sinclair, age 16 > Maggie Sinclair, age 9 > Barbara Sinclair, age 6 > Magnus Sinclair, age 3 months (Possibly 3 January 1891, Kinning Park, > Lanarkshire) > > Parents are Magnus Sinclair, mariner and Mary Ann Sinclair. > > Any Assistance greatly appreciated. > Neil Fraser > Shoal Bay NSW > >

I am looking for the death record of an ancestor named Mary Smith. Because of the large number of Mary Smiths listed in Scotland's People, it is cost-prohibitive to pay to view all the records. If anyone has any suggestions, I would be appreciative. I have listed a basic outline of facts we have from various documents. Though she was born in Stirlingshire, her adult life was in Lanarkshire. Relatives remember that she visited the family in Maryland, USA in 1913, but we lost track of her after that year. There is a death record for a Mary Hutton Smith listed in the Perth newspaper index. However, I determined that she is not our ancestor. Apart from her birth record, Mary Smith's middle name of Hutton does not appear on any other documents. Because she did not have any biological children, we suspect that her death record does not give many details, but we would like to find out. Some of the surnames of people who may have signed the death record include: STIRLING-HUNTER-BURROWS-GRANT Thank you, Joyce Here are some of the facts we have: Mary Hutton SMITH b. 16 Mar 1862 Slamannan, Stirlingshire parents: Thomas SMITH and Elizabeth STAFFORD Marriage: 1886 to William SMITH (b.1836-d.1894) in Glasgow Residences: 1871 Slamannan 1881 Glasgow 1886 Arlington St. Glasgow 1891 Renfrew St. Glasgow Arrival/Departure Sep 1913 Glasgow-New York

To Lanark listers: I had forgotten I had this information that I had sent to the Wigtownshire list four years ago. If I had my “genealogy research life” to live over again I would have printed off this information and indexed it in a binder. Unless I store it in the computer (not dependable as computers can do funny things!) or on the External Free Agent, I am liable to forget much that has already been researched, such as the following description of the three Hyslop brothers who died at sea. I have just recently found out that Gordon Hyslop drowned when the ship was in Lagos, Nigeria. Maybe more can be found about the circumstances of his death as time goes on. Take note of how young one of the brothers was who went to see. At the moment I am reading James Barke’s ‘Land of the Leal’ in which a very young boy character in the story at the age of seven- ten is pining to go off to sea. I haven’t reached the part in the book yet if he does or not, The locus of the book is in Southwest Scotland, exactly where my antecedents came from. Maisie, Glaswegian aeons ago! Paso Robles, California ---------------------------------------------- My outstanding sleuth on the Wigtown list has been able to access the Merchant Navy Seaman's Ticket records 1835-57 which have just become available on Find My Past. I am the second great-grand niece of John Hyslop and Grace Thomson, on my father's Kirkcudbrightshire Hyslop side, which line I have going back before 1700. John Hyslop and Grace Thomson had 11 children, three of whom were "lost at sea." I have tried for years to get information on them through the Merchant Navy records, and the local history of both Kirkcudbrightshire and Wigtownshire (thinking perhaps they were just local fishermen), but to no avail. Today was a bonanza, thanks to the outstanding help of the Wigtown lister! James, the oldest son of John and Grace Thomson Hyslop, "first went to sea as a boy" as an apprentice seaman at the tender age of TEN. He served with the Royal Navy for three years, and then I assume he switched to the Merchant Navy where he was ticketed at age 23. He was 5'5", had black hair, blue eyes, and a sallow complexion, with a cut above his left eye. Ink mark on arms (tattoo?). When unemployed he resided in Glasgow. His seaman's ticket was stolen in Glasgow and he had a new one issued. The next son, Peter, born 1832, died 1858. Apprentice. Height "growing" "Supposed drowned 20-4-1856. Vessel lost." The vessel was the "City of Montreal, Liverpool," but I can't find it yet on ships' lists. (I have the year of death obviously wrong for Peter Hyslop on the FTM.) The third son, Gordon Duncan Hyslop, born 3 Oct. 1848 "died at sea" 2 Jan. 1875. No information on him yet. (Since learned the ship was ‘Victoria,’ Lagos, Nigeria 1878, April 2016.) It was suggested that as so many ships foundered and sank at an unbelievable rate in those times, perhaps all three ships the Hyslop brothers were on just sank, maybe as a result of storms, even if only plying across the English Channel to the Channel Islands. I don't have much on William Hyslop, the second son, born 1826, except that in 1854 he served on the Admiral Napier, London, for three sailings, I suppose, and then on the Monarch which plied between Scilly and London (?). (Go to this link to learn about Scottish born Admiral Sir Charles John Napier ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Elers_Napier). William Hyslop, b.1856, served on the Tuscan, London. We have no documentation of when he died, but not at sea. The assumption is that he may have left the navy to become an iron/lead miner, and we think he is the same William Hyslop who erected a large headstone to his family in Auchencairn Cemetery, Kirkcudbrightshire, with special reference to his three brothers lost at sea. I have tried to find the genesis of this headstone, who paid for it, as William stated he had erected it in memory of his brothers. Was William back in Kirkcudbrightshire, or did he go to England or Wales, or even Lanarkshire, to work in the mines, and then ordered the headstone when he could afford it? The odd thing about this headstone is that inscriptions of quite a few of his descendants/family were added long after his death, but his name was not added at all. I cannot find out who paid for the later inscriptions which were added long after William would have died. No records have been kept on this by the monumental masons or local authorities. All this as a fill-in in that apparently Find My Past is offering more than Ancestry.com in some instances, and in Merchant Seaman's Ticket records specifically. It is a pay for view site, but I have heard that the library may have this link for free viewing. I was "blown away" by this young boy, James Hyslop, out to sea at the age of TEN, and wondered why. Too many children in his family for his parents to feed, or what? Maybe not as this Admiral Sir Charles John Napier was at sea at the age of TWELVE, but he came from an extremely well-to-do Edinburgh family. How very fortunate I am to have a volunteer on the Wigtown list who goes away above and beyond in doing research on my family, not just in south-west Scotland but the rest of Scotland and England, as well. Hope these notes will encourage others to go to Find My Past to help with any leads. Maisie

As an aside to Cliffs post Anyone who has searched parish registers around the coast or visited churchyards will know just how commonplace it was to find unidentified bodies washed up and who quite often remained unidentified Its a surprising common occurrence Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/04/2016 20:44, Cliff. Johnston wrote: > I should have added that these unidentified bodies were only one portion > of the bodies recovered as many were identified. Most of the murdered > seamen had some money in their pockets and went ashore to buy clothes, > shoes, get a good meal and a drink (or 2 or 3 or more). They were easy > targets for the dock gangs. > > Good hunting, > > Cliff. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Maisie Although a lower rung than the 1st or 2nd Engineer it was still a respectable rank and far from a skivvy As to how he came to drown, no one on a ship stayed below the whole time You may be right but seems rather unkind to assume he was drunk without some sort of evidence, he may have been a teetotaller and fell over a rope I don't like to think ill of the dead without some sort of evidence Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > The 3rd engineer was low man on the totem pole, then, the equivalent > of a skivvy! I was curious that if Gordon Hyslop worked below decks > as an engineer what were the circumstances of his death by drowning. > Mean thought: maybe he’d been in his cups and lost his balance and > fell overboard!!! > > Thanks for the info. > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I should have added that these unidentified bodies were only one portion of the bodies recovered as many were identified.  Most of the murdered seamen had some money in their pockets and went ashore to buy clothes, shoes, get a good meal and a drink (or 2 or 3 or more).  They were easy targets for the dock gangs. Good hunting, Cliff. On Saturday, April 9, 2016 2:26 PM, Nivard Ovington via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi Maisie Although a lower rung than the 1st or 2nd Engineer it was still a respectable rank and far from a skivvy As to how he came to drown, no one on a ship stayed below the whole time You may be right but seems rather unkind to assume he was drunk without some sort of evidence, he may have been a teetotaller and fell over a rope I don't like to think ill of the dead without some sort of evidence Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > The 3rd engineer was low man on the totem pole, then, the equivalent > of a skivvy!  I was curious that if Gordon Hyslop worked below decks > as an engineer what were the circumstances of his death by drowning. > Mean thought:  maybe he’d been in his cups and lost his balance and > fell overboard!!! > > Thanks for the info. > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maisie, I was looking for the father of my uncle Robert Maitland years ago.  He was a crew member aboard a ship.  One of the interesting bits of information that I came across was that in most ports when a seaman was found floating, the authorities assumed that he had been robbed, murdered and dumped into the water by the gangs that worked the dock areas.  Our Maitland disappeared in the port of NYC.  The police there have, and I stand to be corrected on this, at least 180 (as of 20 years ago) such cases of the bodies of seamen that are still unidentified after having been fished from the waters around the docks.  If this is just one U.S. port, you can imagine how many more were killed around the world in other ports.  Asian ports had the worst reputations for such misdoings. Good hunting, Cliff. On Saturday, April 9, 2016 2:13 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks for this extra information, Jo Ann. Trade has expanded exponentially from just palm oil, however. I have been reading more about British involvement in Lagos-Nigeria, and then the eventual separation of both entities. Interestingly, nowadays many scam artists have their h.q. in Nigeria, some speaking with a Brit accent! The 3rd engineer was low man on the totem pole, then, the equivalent of a skivvy!  I was curious that if Gordon Hyslop worked below decks as an engineer what were the circumstances of his death by drowning.  Mean thought:  maybe he’d been in his cups and lost his balance and fell overboard!!! Thanks for the info. Maisie From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:37 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Maisie, Some info on the port of Lagos.  This was the main port for Nigeria and exports were mostly palm oils.  From Wikipedia: "In order to stop the slave trade there, Britain annexed Lagos in 1861. In 1879, Sir George Goldie gained control of all the British firms trading on the Niger, and in the 1880s he took over two French companies active there and signed treaties with numerous African leaders. Largely because of Goldie's efforts, Great Britain was able to claim S Nigeria at the Conference of Berlin (see Berlin, Conference of) held in 1884–85." As for 3rd Engineer, this is not the highly qualified position it sounds like.  It's was more someone who ran around do scut work for the senior engineers, such as cleaning, check for leaks, etc. Jo-Ann Croft On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote:   Very good information, Nivard.  I just would not have known where to unearth   this information.   I can not quite figure out what the ship was used for, however,...what would   be brought into and taken away from Lagos?   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Maisie, Here is another link that may help: http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/archive/info-sheet.aspx?sheetId=47 Best wishes, John

Maisie, Some info on the port of Lagos. This was the main port for Nigeria and exports were mostly palm oils. From Wikipedia: "In order to stop the slave trade there, Britain annexed Lagos in 1861. In 1879, Sir George Goldie gained control of all the British firms trading on the Niger, and in the 1880s he took over two French companies active there and signed treaties with numerous African leaders. Largely because of Goldie's efforts, Great Britain was able to claim S Nigeria at the Conference of Berlin (see Berlin, Conference of) held in 1884–85." As for 3rd Engineer, this is not the highly qualified position it sounds like. It's was more someone who ran around do scut work for the senior engineers, such as cleaning, check for leaks, etc. Jo-Ann Croft On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Very good information, Nivard. I just would not have known where to > unearth > this information. > > I can not quite figure out what the ship was used for, however,...what > would > be brought into and taken away from Lagos? > >

Thanks for your explanation for possible drowning/lost at sea of your relative, Cliff. It is such a coincidence that three brothers in the one family were either lost or were drowned at sea. This report of Gordon Hyslop having drowned in Lagos, Nigeria, makes one ponder. He was born January 2 1848, and as a Scot perhaps celebrated New Year January 1 and thereafter! No proof, of course that he was in his cups, just an ‘unkind’ supposition! As Nivard cautions, we should not be presumptuous about the circumstances of a death at sea. In the Register of Effects, he has 12/-d (twelve shillings) ‘net amount due to the estate’---I have no idea what this means. I have no locations or dates, only years, when James Hyslop died at sea 1853, and Peter Hyslop 1858, one year after his brother Gordon Hyslop, Lagos, Nigeria. What a tragedy! Maisie From: Cliff. Johnston Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 12:24 PM To: Maisie Egger ; Jo Ann Croft ; LANARK@rootsweb.com ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Maisie, I was looking for the father of my uncle Robert Maitland years ago. He was a crew member aboard a ship. One of the interesting bits of information that I came across was that in most ports when a seaman was found floating, the authorities assumed that he had been robbed, murdered and dumped into the water by the gangs that worked the dock areas. Our Maitland disappeared in the port of NYC. The police there have, and I stand to be corrected on this, at least 180 (as of 20 years ago) such cases of the bodies of seamen that are still unidentified after having been fished from the waters around the docks. If this is just one U.S. port, you can imagine how many more were killed around the world in other ports. Asian ports had the worst reputations for such misdoings. Good hunting, Cliff. On Saturday, April 9, 2016 2:13 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks for this extra information, Jo Ann. Trade has expanded exponentially from just palm oil, however. I have been reading more about British involvement in Lagos-Nigeria, and then the eventual separation of both entities. Interestingly, nowadays many scam artists have their h.q. in Nigeria, some speaking with a Brit accent! The 3rd engineer was low man on the totem pole, then, the equivalent of a skivvy! I was curious that if Gordon Hyslop worked below decks as an engineer what were the circumstances of his death by drowning. Mean thought: maybe he’d been in his cups and lost his balance and fell overboard!!! Thanks for the info. Maisie From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:37 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Maisie, Some info on the port of Lagos. This was the main port for Nigeria and exports were mostly palm oils. From Wikipedia: "In order to stop the slave trade there, Britain annexed Lagos in 1861. In 1879, Sir George Goldie gained control of all the British firms trading on the Niger, and in the 1880s he took over two French companies active there and signed treaties with numerous African leaders. Largely because of Goldie's efforts, Great Britain was able to claim S Nigeria at the Conference of Berlin (see Berlin, Conference of) held in 1884–85." As for 3rd Engineer, this is not the highly qualified position it sounds like. It's was more someone who ran around do scut work for the senior engineers, such as cleaning, check for leaks, etc. Jo-Ann Croft On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Very good information, Nivard. I just would not have known where to unearth this information. I can not quite figure out what the ship was used for, however,...what would be brought into and taken away from Lagos? -------------------------------

Hello Maisie Have you tried the Bartlett Library, National Maritime Museum Cornwall or the Newfoundland Maritime History Archive https://www.mun.ca/mha/ Cheers Susan -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger via Sent: Saturday, 9 April 2016 1:23 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Hello, all, Again, Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list, has done some fantastic sleuthing, this time finding the 1875 Register of Accounts of Wages & Effects of Deceased Seamen, etc., recovered and disposed of. The entry of interest is for Gordon Hyslop, one the three brothers in one family who drowned. Sarah Hyslop was the sister of the three Hyslop brothers and was my great-great-grandmother married to William Clint. The Hyslop family of 11 chilsdren lived in Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire. Sarah Hyslop and William Clint (he from Carlingwark --- Kelton---Kirkcudbrightshire0, also lived in Auchencairn. (William Clint is the brick wall as nothing can be found of his parentage or siblings.) The entry for Gordon Hyslop has an obvious error as being a 3rd Engr. at age 12. He served on the Victoria ouT of Liverpool and drowned when the ship was in Lagos, Nigeria, 1875. As Britain had abolished the slave trade in 1807 (?), this ship could not have been involved in this trade, therefore. I am trying to find out more about the Victoria and what its shipping business was in Lagos, Nigeria at that time. Gordon Hyslop’s name is the only entry on the page from the Victoria. Any suggestions where I can look to find out more about the Victoria? Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie The entry is more detailed than you mention, the pertinent part being the official number, it reads :- Mar 24 (1875) L'Pool Victoria 63769 Africa HYSLOP Gordon 3rd Engineer age 12 2nd Jan 1875 Lagos drowned 12/- Collr Lagos Mar 24 (its transcribed as HYSTOP) Using the official number The Victoria (one of many ships so named) was built in 1870 and first registered at Glasgow , built by Henderson Coulborn & Co Renfrew It seems to have had a fairly short life being hulked from 1879 http://clydeships.co.uk/view.php?a1PageSize=25&year_built=&builder=&a1Order=Sorter_name&a1Dir=DESC&a1Page=47&ref=9866&vessel=VICTORIA Builders http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Henderson,_Coulborn_and_Co You may find voyages mentioned in the newspapers Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/04/2016 04:22, Maisie Egger via wrote: > Hello, all, > > Again, Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list, has done some fantastic > sleuthing, this time finding the 1875 Register of Accounts of Wages & > Effects of Deceased Seamen, etc., recovered and disposed of. > > The entry of interest is for Gordon Hyslop, one the three brothers > in one family who drowned. Sarah Hyslop was the sister of the three > Hyslop brothers and was my great-great-grandmother married to William > Clint. The Hyslop family of 11 chilsdren lived in Auchencairn, > Kirkcudbrightshire. Sarah Hyslop and William Clint (he from > Carlingwark --- Kelton---Kirkcudbrightshire0, also lived in > Auchencairn. (William Clint is the brick wall as nothing can be > found of his parentage or siblings.) > > The entry for Gordon Hyslop has an obvious error as being a 3rd Engr. > at age 12. > > He served on the Victoria ouT of Liverpool and drowned when the ship > was in Lagos, Nigeria, 1875. > > As Britain had abolished the slave trade in 1807 (?), this ship could > not have been involved in this trade, therefore. > > I am trying to find out more about the Victoria and what its shipping > business was in Lagos, Nigeria at that time. Gordon Hyslop’s name is > the only entry on the page from the Victoria. > > Any suggestions where I can look to find out more about the > Victoria? > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks for this extra information, Jo Ann. Trade has expanded exponentially from just palm oil, however. I have been reading more about British involvement in Lagos-Nigeria, and then the eventual separation of both entities. Interestingly, nowadays many scam artists have their h.q. in Nigeria, some speaking with a Brit accent! The 3rd engineer was low man on the totem pole, then, the equivalent of a skivvy! I was curious that if Gordon Hyslop worked below decks as an engineer what were the circumstances of his death by drowning. Mean thought: maybe he’d been in his cups and lost his balance and fell overboard!!! Thanks for the info. Maisie From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:37 AM To: Maisie Egger ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Maisie, Some info on the port of Lagos. This was the main port for Nigeria and exports were mostly palm oils. From Wikipedia: "In order to stop the slave trade there, Britain annexed Lagos in 1861. In 1879, Sir George Goldie gained control of all the British firms trading on the Niger, and in the 1880s he took over two French companies active there and signed treaties with numerous African leaders. Largely because of Goldie's efforts, Great Britain was able to claim S Nigeria at the Conference of Berlin (see Berlin, Conference of) held in 1884–85." As for 3rd Engineer, this is not the highly qualified position it sounds like. It's was more someone who ran around do scut work for the senior engineers, such as cleaning, check for leaks, etc. Jo-Ann Croft On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: Very good information, Nivard. I just would not have known where to unearth this information. I can not quite figure out what the ship was used for, however,...what would be brought into and taken away from Lagos?

Very good information, Nivard. I just would not have known where to unearth this information. I can not quite figure out what the ship was used for, however,...what would be brought into and taken away from Lagos? I gather, too, the days of the sailing ship were over. Also, I doubt if I would ever find out the circumstances of how Gordon Hyslop drowned if he was a 3rd engineer. Would he then have been working below decks? On the Register of Accounts I see the spelling of Gordon Hyslop is correct, with a check (tick) mark above it. Many thanks for these extra details. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 5:48 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Victoria ship 1875, Lagos, Nigeria Hi Maisie The entry is more detailed than you mention, the pertinent part being the official number, it reads :- Mar 24 (1875) L'Pool Victoria 63769 Africa HYSLOP Gordon 3rd Engineer age 12 2nd Jan 1875 Lagos drowned 12/- Collr Lagos Mar 24 (its transcribed as HYSTOP) Using the official number The Victoria (one of many ships so named) was built in 1870 and first registered at Glasgow , built by Henderson Coulborn & Co Renfrew It seems to have had a fairly short life being hulked from 1879 http://clydeships.co.uk/view.php?a1PageSize=25&year_built=&builder=&a1Order=Sorter_name&a1Dir=DESC&a1Page=47&ref=9866&vessel=VICTORIA Builders http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Henderson,_Coulborn_and_Co You may find voyages mentioned in the newspapers Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/04/2016 04:22, Maisie Egger via wrote: > Hello, all, > > Again, Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list, has done some fantastic > sleuthing, this time finding the 1875 Register of Accounts of Wages & > Effects of Deceased Seamen, etc., recovered and disposed of. > > The entry of interest is for Gordon Hyslop, one the three brothers > in one family who drowned. Sarah Hyslop was the sister of the three > Hyslop brothers and was my great-great-grandmother married to William > Clint. The Hyslop family of 11 chilsdren lived in Auchencairn, > Kirkcudbrightshire. Sarah Hyslop and William Clint (he from > Carlingwark --- Kelton---Kirkcudbrightshire0, also lived in > Auchencairn. (William Clint is the brick wall as nothing can be > found of his parentage or siblings.) > > The entry for Gordon Hyslop has an obvious error as being a 3rd Engr. > at age 12. > > He served on the Victoria ouT of Liverpool and drowned when the ship > was in Lagos, Nigeria, 1875. > > As Britain had abolished the slave trade in 1807 (?), this ship could > not have been involved in this trade, therefore. > > I am trying to find out more about the Victoria and what its shipping > business was in Lagos, Nigeria at that time. Gordon Hyslop’s name is > the only entry on the page from the Victoria. > > Any suggestions where I can look to find out more about the > Victoria? > > Maisie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, all, Again, Malcolm on the Wigtownshire list, has done some fantastic sleuthing, this time finding the 1875 Register of Accounts of Wages & Effects of Deceased Seamen, etc., recovered and disposed of. The entry of interest is for Gordon Hyslop, one the three brothers in one family who drowned. Sarah Hyslop was the sister of the three Hyslop brothers and was my great-great-grandmother married to William Clint. The Hyslop family of 11 chilsdren lived in Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire. Sarah Hyslop and William Clint (he from Carlingwark --- Kelton---Kirkcudbrightshire0, also lived in Auchencairn. (William Clint is the brick wall as nothing can be found of his parentage or siblings.) The entry for Gordon Hyslop has an obvious error as being a 3rd Engr. at age 12. He served on the Victoria ouT of Liverpool and drowned when the ship was in Lagos, Nigeria, 1875. As Britain had abolished the slave trade in 1807 (?), this ship could not have been involved in this trade, therefore. I am trying to find out more about the Victoria and what its shipping business was in Lagos, Nigeria at that time. Gordon Hyslop’s name is the only entry on the page from the Victoria. Any suggestions where I can look to find out more about the Victoria? Maisie

A great resource I had not known about. Also has an index in the back starting page 477 I am enjoying going through some names. Ailsa Ailsa Corlett ailsa@st.net.au http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: ailsacorlett@gmail.com >-----Original Message----- >From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of Linda via >Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 8:57 AM >To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Lanark] Scottish Burgh Records, Glasgow 1573-1750; 1751-1846 > >Hi all > >Scottish Burgh Records - The Burgesses and Guild Bretheren of Glasgow >1573-1750; 1751-1846 > >I didn't know that this was online (although some of you will have known >this!) Found a few of my ancestors listed here. > >It's from the Scottish Genealogy Society webpage at >http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/Resources.aspx > >Cheers, Linda > > >------------------------------- > >WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier >message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > >You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on >the following link to the list information page online: >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK- >request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Scottish Burgh Records - The Burgesses and Guild Bretheren of Glasgow 1573-1750; 1751-1846 I didn't know that this was online (although some of you will have known this!) Found a few of my ancestors listed here. It's from the Scottish Genealogy Society webpage at http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/Resources.aspx Cheers, Linda