Wonderful, Robert I had another look in 1911 Census and it could be Deerpark Gardens! Will investigate further Thanks so much Judy ----Original Message----- From: rjpaton via Sent: 21 April, 2016 7:16 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 11, Issue 52 > 1. Re: Firpark street Glasgow (ebbtide.i@gmail.com) Just a minor point :- Regarding your reference to 7 DEWPARK Gardens in Shettleston (1911 census) I wonder if this could have been DEERPARK Gardens which was just off of Tollcross Road (The Street Directories for the period 1890 to 1920 have no trace of DEWPARK) Robert Paton ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Depends on how many you've had. Ella Ross born and bred in Glasgow. > On 21 Apr 2016, at 19:47, Archie Gilbert via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I am no expert on Glasgow, Maisie, but I know of DOWANHILL area, which early > everybody pronounces DOWNHILL missing the middle syllable. What do you think > ? > > Archie Gilbert. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maisie Egger via > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:17 PM > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Lanark] Hillcoat queries > > Queries and answers, please. > > I must assume that 42 Parliamentary Road, Townhead, Glasgow, was a tenement > building where my father’s great-grandfather James Hillcoat died. > Parliamentary Road no longer exists as formerly, but I am assuming that #42 > had to be near the Buchanan Street end. > > I cannot find on Google Little Downhill, Glasgow, where James Hillcosat was > born 17 April, 1791. There is an upscale Downhill, but putting two and two > together, James Hillcoat seems to have lived in more modest areas of > Glasgow. At one time he and his wife Helen Young (31 Oct 1795-20 Dec 1867) > lived at 62 Weaver St., Townhead, Glasgow, where Jenny Myers’ Keith (also a > potter) also lived. Both James Hillcoat and Keith also lived in Rutherglen, > where they worked in the pottery there. > > Two of James Hillcoat and Helen Young Hillcoat’s 11 children died at the age > of 68 and 61 respectively in Rutherglen, within a month of each other long > after James Hillcoat died (1857), so the assumption is that they, too, > likely were potters in Rutherglen. James Hillcoat (son) b. 23 Aug 1825, > Newton, Renfrewshire, d. 4 Dec. 1893 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire. Thomas Young > Hillcoat b. 1832 ?, s. 24 Nov. 1893 Rutherglen, unless I have the years of > their deaths mixed up. > > I can’t find the district of Newton, only the rather upscale Newton Mearns, > and so I wonder now if Newton goes by another name. > > Questions then: > 42 Parliamentary Rd. a tenement? > Where would Little Downhill be located? > James jr. and Thomas Young Hillcoat died the same year 1893? > Is/Was Newton a separate area from Newton Mearns? > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Deerpark Gardens is now Tollcross Road. There is a cemetery in Corbert St Tollcross and a Google will bring up a list of MI's Billy Sent from my iPhone

I am no expert on Glasgow, Maisie, but I know of DOWANHILL area, which early everybody pronounces DOWNHILL missing the middle syllable. What do you think ? Archie Gilbert. -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger via Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:17 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Hillcoat queries Queries and answers, please. I must assume that 42 Parliamentary Road, Townhead, Glasgow, was a tenement building where my father’s great-grandfather James Hillcoat died. Parliamentary Road no longer exists as formerly, but I am assuming that #42 had to be near the Buchanan Street end. I cannot find on Google Little Downhill, Glasgow, where James Hillcosat was born 17 April, 1791. There is an upscale Downhill, but putting two and two together, James Hillcoat seems to have lived in more modest areas of Glasgow. At one time he and his wife Helen Young (31 Oct 1795-20 Dec 1867) lived at 62 Weaver St., Townhead, Glasgow, where Jenny Myers’ Keith (also a potter) also lived. Both James Hillcoat and Keith also lived in Rutherglen, where they worked in the pottery there. Two of James Hillcoat and Helen Young Hillcoat’s 11 children died at the age of 68 and 61 respectively in Rutherglen, within a month of each other long after James Hillcoat died (1857), so the assumption is that they, too, likely were potters in Rutherglen. James Hillcoat (son) b. 23 Aug 1825, Newton, Renfrewshire, d. 4 Dec. 1893 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire. Thomas Young Hillcoat b. 1832 ?, s. 24 Nov. 1893 Rutherglen, unless I have the years of their deaths mixed up. I can’t find the district of Newton, only the rather upscale Newton Mearns, and so I wonder now if Newton goes by another name. Questions then: 42 Parliamentary Rd. a tenement? Where would Little Downhill be located? James jr. and Thomas Young Hillcoat died the same year 1893? Is/Was Newton a separate area from Newton Mearns? Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ella, Archie, Jack et al, I found a few references to Little Dovehill on Google, but nothing on Little Dowanhill, Dowanhill itself being an upscale neighbourhood in Glasgow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowanhill http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3749445 http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/CouncillorsandCommittees/viewSelectedDocument.asp?c=P62AFQ2UT1DNDXUT It then clicked that I recalled seeing perhaps a census where ‘somebody’ on the tree had an address at Little Dovehill, and it may have been James Hillcoat. As he was a potter (with 11 children), he likely was not a high income earner, and the fact that at times he lived in Weaver Street and Parliamentary Road, Townhead, would lead one to think that the street name was Little Dovehill and not Dowanhill (missing ’a’ or not in its pronunciation, depending on how ‘refeened’ one wanted to sound!). The social implications of 11 children and two parents, making a total of 13, living in cramped tenement conditions, make one ‘just get mad’ that the ‘authorities’ did not give a tinker’s rap for the living conditions of such families, until there would be an outbreak of this or that ‘fever.’ Still, it has taken Glasgow authority’s pedestrian mentality to ‘do’ something more recently (1960s on) about demolishing such tenements where so many small, medium or large families were cramped into such as a single end. (Glasgow at one time time having the (bad) reputation of having the worst housing in Western Europe.) There used to be a wonderful contributor on this list who came from the Gorbals. Two things stuck out in my mind about how she lived in Glasgow: There were fourteen in her family living in a single end. For the uninitiated that would mean one all-purpose room in a tenement where there would be a recess bed, one cupboard for dishes and suchlike, a ‘black lead’ iron cooking range and a cold water sink. Perhaps there might have been an inside w.c., if not. it would be shared by three or four other families on the landing. The second ‘wee story’ she shared was when her teacher made her stand on a chair to point out to the class what poverty looked like. Something out of Charles Dickens’ Victorian times? No, likely the early 1960s. We can question why there wasn’t better family planning, and why people who did not have two pennies to rub against the other would have such huge families, a question I put to my own mother who had eight children like clockwork 18 months apart. Her reasoning was that women did not have access to family planning/birth control ‘back then.’ Remember, too, that if a woman had an induced abortion it was a criminal act so off to the pokey! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11169176/Abortion-why-is-it-still-a-criminal-offence.html Back to Little Dovehill: I do believe that my forebear lived at this address at one time, his last address 42 Parliamentary Rd., perhaps a little more upscale than the Gallowgate address. More sleuthing to get the facts straightened out. Many thanks for the help . Maisie Paso Robles, California (living a lifestyle light years away from being born in a tenement room and kitchen in the ‘Toonheid!’ Not to mention the weather.)

Maisie, Addresses on most censuses can often give an idea of the type of dwelling in a town. If there are, say, six or ten families at an address and the neighbouring numbers also show many households then the chances are they will be tenements. The Mitchell Library has all the Glasgow censuses on microfilm 1841 to 1901. So it's quite easy to scroll through the pages to see who was living on any street. Though saying that occasionally some pages can have very faint ink. Alas the 1911 will not be microfilmed for libraries etc. in the same way for public use. -- Could Little Downhill be a difficult to read Little Dovehill? That street has been around a long time - and the name at least still exists. It's now has trees and a car park. Here's a link to an NLS map of around 1778. http://maps.nls.uk/joins/2767.html Click on top right map quarter. Use mouse wheel to zoom in to Gallowgate Street at bottom left of map. Little Dovehill runs north from there to the Old Vennel. Jack -------------------------------------------------------------------- On 20/04/2016 22:17, Maisie Egger via wrote: > Queries and answers, please. > > I must assume that 42 Parliamentary Road, Townhead, Glasgow, was a tenement building where my father’s great-grandfather James Hillcoat died. > Parliamentary Road no longer exists as formerly, but I am assuming that #42 had to be near the Buchanan Street end. > > I cannot find on Google Little Downhill, Glasgow, where James Hillcosat was born 17 April, 1791. There is an upscale Downhill, but putting two and two together, James Hillcoat seems to have lived in more modest areas of Glasgow. At one time he and his wife Helen Young (31 Oct 1795-20 Dec 1867) lived at 62 Weaver St., Townhead, Glasgow, where Jenny Myers’ Keith (also a potter) also lived. Both James Hillcoat and Keith also lived in Rutherglen, where they worked in the pottery there. > > Two of James Hillcoat and Helen Young Hillcoat’s 11 children died at the age of 68 and 61 respectively in Rutherglen, within a month of each other long after James Hillcoat died (1857), so the assumption is that they, too, likely were potters in Rutherglen. James Hillcoat (son) b. 23 Aug 1825, Newton, Renfrewshire, d. 4 Dec. 1893 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire. Thomas Young Hillcoat b. 1832 ?, s. 24 Nov. 1893 Rutherglen, unless I have the years of their deaths mixed up. > > I can’t find the district of Newton, only the rather upscale Newton Mearns, and so I wonder now if Newton goes by another name. > > Questions then: > 42 Parliamentary Rd. a tenement? > Where would Little Downhill be located? > James jr. and Thomas Young Hillcoat died the same year 1893? > Is/Was Newton a separate area from Newton Mearns? > > Maisie

Judy, Could Dewpark Gardens be a difficult to read Deerpark Gardens? Did the 1911 census number begin with 622-2 Enum. Dist 28. If yes to both then I have a little info on the location of Deerpark Gardens. Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------- On 20/04/2016 07:54, Judy Wardlaw via wrote: > In 1911 (Census) the family were living at 7 Dewpark Gardens, South > Shettleston, Glasgow, which I cannot find on the map of Glasgow > Judy

> 1. Re: Firpark street Glasgow (ebbtide.i@gmail.com) Just a minor point :- Regarding your reference to 7 DEWPARK Gardens in Shettleston (1911 census) I wonder if this could have been DEERPARK Gardens which was just off of Tollcross Road (The Street Directories for the period 1890 to 1920 have no trace of DEWPARK) Robert Paton

There are Newtons and Newtowns all over Scotland. It's a common enough place name. The Newton between Cambuslang and Uddingston is in the parish of Cambuslang, not the parish of Mearns. I don't know for sure if Newto(w)n in the parish of Mearns is synonymous with Newto(w)n Mearns, but I would be very surprised if it isn't as it is unusual for there to be two places with the same name in the same parish. Anne From: ianrodney via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net>; Lanark Rootsweb <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016, 23:09 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Hillcoat queries Hi Masie NEWTON is between Cambuslang and Uddingston. It was a mining village and has a railway station. Ian ( still lurking on the list but inactive at present ) Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> Date: 20/04/2016  22:17  (GMT+00:00) To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Hillcoat queries Queries and answers, please. I must assume that 42 Parliamentary Road, Townhead, Glasgow, was a tenement building where my father’s great-grandfather James Hillcoat died. Parliamentary Road no longer exists as formerly, but I am assuming that #42 had to be near the Buchanan Street end. I cannot find on Google Little Downhill, Glasgow, where James Hillcosat was born 17 April, 1791.  There is an upscale Downhill, but putting two and two together, James Hillcoat seems to have lived in more modest areas of Glasgow.  At one time he and his wife Helen Young (31 Oct 1795-20 Dec 1867) lived at 62 Weaver St., Townhead, Glasgow, where Jenny Myers’  Keith (also a potter) also lived.  Both James Hillcoat and Keith also lived in Rutherglen, where they worked in the pottery there.  Two of James Hillcoat and Helen Young Hillcoat’s 11 children died at the age of 68 and 61 respectively in Rutherglen, within a month of each other long after James Hillcoat died (1857), so the assumption is that they, too, likely were potters in Rutherglen.  James Hillcoat (son) b. 23 Aug 1825, Newton, Renfrewshire, d. 4 Dec. 1893 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire.  Thomas Young Hillcoat b. 1832 ?, s. 24 Nov. 1893 Rutherglen, unless I have the years of their deaths mixed up. I can’t find the district of Newton, only the rather upscale Newton Mearns, and so I wonder now if Newton goes by another name. Questions then: 42 Parliamentary Rd. a tenement? Where would Little Downhill be located? James jr. and Thomas Young Hillcoat died the same year 1893? Is/Was Newton a separate area from Newton Mearns? Maisie   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It wasn't necessarily the case that baptism ceremonies were held in the church building.I have some baptism records that state quite clearly that the baptism was in the parents' home. However 18 May 1817 was a Sunday, and it wasn't an emergency baptism as he seems to have been born on 8 May 1817, so it does seem probable that it was in the church. The chances are, since the record is from the register of the Church of Scotland parish of Barony, that it was the old Barony Parish Kirk. See http://www.glasgowhistory.co.uk/Other%20Sections/100%20Churches/Barony.htm - though it could have been in one of the Chapels of Ease in the parish. Does the original record of the baptism name the minister who baptised him? If so, and you can find out which church he was minister of, that should tell you which church it was. In 1817 the Minister of Barony Parish was the Rev John Burns DD, but he may have had an assistant. As for the address they lived at, it is unlikely to be in the baptism record. I have a small number of baptisms in Barony parish around that time, and they just give the area where the parents lived (e.g. 'Calton'), not the exact address. There are some street directories from the early 1800s. They don't list everyone, but that is your best chance of getting an actual street address. They can be viewed online at www.nls.uk BTW in Scotland a woman's surname does not legally change on marriage, so it is perfectly correct, and reduces the chance of confusion, to say that Angus was the son of Martin Anderson and Sarah McDonald. That is why the parish registers in Scotland generally list the mother's maiden surname, unlike those in England and elsewhere which would list them as 'Martin and Sarah Anderson'. It's fine with relatively unusual names like Martin and Sarah, but potentially confusing when the parents are John and Margaret! HTH Anne From: Gail Leonardo via <lanark@rootsweb.com> To: "lanark@rootsweb.com" <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016, 16:06 Subject: [Lanark] Angus Anderson - trying to find what church he was baptized in Hello Lanark list:  I am looking for help.  Is anyone able to tell be what church my Great, great Grandfather Angus Anderson was baptized in.  He was born in Barony, Lanark in 1817 on May 8th to Martin and Sarah Anderson.  His Christening date was May 18th, 1817. I have tried with no luck to find what church it was.  I did find some info in this link:  https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname:Angus~%20%2Bsurname:Anderson~%20%2Bbirth_place:Scotland~%20%2Bbirth_year:1817-1817~%20%2Bgender:M&collection_id=1771030 My daughters and I are planning our trip to Scotland for next year and we would very much love to visit the church and maybe from visiting the church they might be able to tell us their home address they lived at which of course is our ultimate goal.  Many thanks for any assistance as it will be truly appreciated, Gail Anderson Leonardo gail_leonardo@hotmail.com                            ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Masie NEWTON is between Cambuslang and Uddingston. It was a mining village and has a railway station. Ian ( still lurking on the list but inactive at present ) Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> Date: 20/04/2016 22:17 (GMT+00:00) To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Hillcoat queries Queries and answers, please. I must assume that 42 Parliamentary Road, Townhead, Glasgow, was a tenement building where my father’s great-grandfather James Hillcoat died. Parliamentary Road no longer exists as formerly, but I am assuming that #42 had to be near the Buchanan Street end. I cannot find on Google Little Downhill, Glasgow, where James Hillcosat was born 17 April, 1791. There is an upscale Downhill, but putting two and two together, James Hillcoat seems to have lived in more modest areas of Glasgow. At one time he and his wife Helen Young (31 Oct 1795-20 Dec 1867) lived at 62 Weaver St., Townhead, Glasgow, where Jenny Myers’ Keith (also a potter) also lived. Both James Hillcoat and Keith also lived in Rutherglen, where they worked in the pottery there. Two of James Hillcoat and Helen Young Hillcoat’s 11 children died at the age of 68 and 61 respectively in Rutherglen, within a month of each other long after James Hillcoat died (1857), so the assumption is that they, too, likely were potters in Rutherglen. James Hillcoat (son) b. 23 Aug 1825, Newton, Renfrewshire, d. 4 Dec. 1893 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire. Thomas Young Hillcoat b. 1832 ?, s. 24 Nov. 1893 Rutherglen, unless I have the years of their deaths mixed up. I can’t find the district of Newton, only the rather upscale Newton Mearns, and so I wonder now if Newton goes by another name. Questions then: 42 Parliamentary Rd. a tenement? Where would Little Downhill be located? James jr. and Thomas Young Hillcoat died the same year 1893? Is/Was Newton a separate area from Newton Mearns? Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Lesley Williams, author of the book *Mearns Matters - rural parish to Glasgow suburb *the New Statistical Account has this to say: *The principal village in the parish (of Mearns) is Newtown, situated about half a mile northwest from the parish church. It is a burghof barony, and has the right of holding a weekly market, and two annual fairs. It contains about 500 or 600 inhabitants, andis formed chiefly of two rows of houses on the Glasgow and Ayrshire road, with a good Inn.* I hope this helps. Best Regards, Iain McKenzie. On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Maisie Egger via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Queries and answers, please. > > I must assume that 42 Parliamentary Road, Townhead, Glasgow, was a > tenement building where my father’s great-grandfather James Hillcoat died. > Parliamentary Road no longer exists as formerly, but I am assuming that > #42 had to be near the Buchanan Street end. > > I cannot find on Google Little Downhill, Glasgow, where James Hillcosat > was born 17 April, 1791. There is an upscale Downhill, but putting two and > two together, James Hillcoat seems to have lived in more modest areas of > Glasgow. At one time he and his wife Helen Young (31 Oct 1795-20 Dec 1867) > lived at 62 Weaver St., Townhead, Glasgow, where Jenny Myers’ Keith (also > a potter) also lived. Both James Hillcoat and Keith also lived in > Rutherglen, where they worked in the pottery there. > > Two of James Hillcoat and Helen Young Hillcoat’s 11 children died at the > age of 68 and 61 respectively in Rutherglen, within a month of each other > long after James Hillcoat died (1857), so the assumption is that they, too, > likely were potters in Rutherglen. James Hillcoat (son) b. 23 Aug 1825, > Newton, Renfrewshire, d. 4 Dec. 1893 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire. Thomas Young > Hillcoat b. 1832 ?, s. 24 Nov. 1893 Rutherglen, unless I have the years of > their deaths mixed up. > > I can’t find the district of Newton, only the rather upscale Newton > Mearns, and so I wonder now if Newton goes by another name. > > Questions then: > 42 Parliamentary Rd. a tenement? > Where would Little Downhill be located? > James jr. and Thomas Young Hillcoat died the same year 1893? > Is/Was Newton a separate area from Newton Mearns? > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Ella I think that you are correct. On the death certificate, under the column for the informant it has the father (present) with no additional address (residence only required if out of the house in which death occurred). I should have noticed this at first!!! I still haven't found exactly where Dewpark Gardens is (Shettleston or Tollcross on 2 different sources). Thanks to all Judy -----Original Message----- From: ebbtide.i@gmail.com Sent: 20 April, 2016 5:21 PM To: Judy Wardlaw ; lanark@rootsweb.com Cc: Maisie Egger Subject: Re: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow Hi Judy If the death certificate states Firpark Street it is likely he died at home as I haven't come across a Hospital in that street.Stobhill Hospital usually gives the street whereas the Royal Infirmary states Royal Infirmary. I lived at Comrie Terrace in Old Shettleston Rd Shettleston. I'd look around the Census to find the actual street as it is likely Dewpark gardens was the building. In addition Glasgow University has hospital archives http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/aboutus.html Hope this helps Ella Ross Sydney > On 20 Apr 2016, at 16:54, Judy Wardlaw via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thanks Maisie for the background information. > > In 1911 (Census) the family were living at 7 Dewpark Gardens, South > Shettleston, Glasgow, which I cannot find on the map of Glasgow. > Shettleton > seems to be some distance rom Firpark street on the map but the family > moved > around a bit. They were at 52 Edmund St, Dennistoun, Glasgow, in 1901. The > father was a foreman plumber (journeyman) and gas fitter with Glasgow > Corporation. I was just curious to see if the young boy had died at home > or > in a hospital. Probably at home in a tenement in Firpark street. Perhaps > they moved there to be nearer to the Royal Infirmary > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maisie Egger > Sent: 20 April, 2016 1:15 PM > To: Judy Wardlaw ; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow > > Judy, > > No doubt 109 Firpark Street, Dennistoun, was a tenement (not a high rise, > that is a more modern nomenclature when the old tenements were demolished > to > make way for high-rise flats, the highest being the Red Road flats, 34 > storeys (sp?) high and at one point the highest in Europe but most of > which > have recently been demolished.) > > Firpark Street runs adjacent to the Necropolis Cemetery, and by extension > near the Glasgow Cathedral and Royal Infirmary. > > That whole section of Glasgow has been 'gutted,' shall we say, and many of > the tenements are no more, either being replaced by modern flats or 'spare > ground.' I was born not too far away from Firpark St., and the whole area > has been built over to accommodate the University of Strathclyde or > student > housing or has been replaced by little pockets of greenery. The whole > area > is quite unrecognisable now from when I lived in Glasgow. > > (By the way, Firpark Street is cheek by jowl with Townhead, the oldest > part > of Glasgow where St. Kentigern (or Mungo) decided to dedicate the spot for > his cathedral.) > > Maisie > > http://www.britishstreets.info/firpark-street-dennistoun-glasgow-strathclyde > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Wardlaw via > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 3:04 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow > > Can anyone tell me what 109 Firpark street (Dennistoun) Glasgow was in > 1913 > where a 6 year old child died of epilepsy? Was it a house or hospital? > I have checked Google maps and it now appears to be a high rise building. > Judy > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Judy If the death certificate states Firpark Street it is likely he died at home as I haven't come across a Hospital in that street.Stobhill Hospital usually gives the street whereas the Royal Infirmary states Royal Infirmary. I lived at Comrie Terrace in Old Shettleston Rd Shettleston. I'd look around the Census to find the actual street as it is likely Dewpark gardens was the building. In addition Glasgow University has hospital archives http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/aboutus.html Hope this helps Ella Ross Sydney > On 20 Apr 2016, at 16:54, Judy Wardlaw via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thanks Maisie for the background information. > > In 1911 (Census) the family were living at 7 Dewpark Gardens, South > Shettleston, Glasgow, which I cannot find on the map of Glasgow. Shettleton > seems to be some distance rom Firpark street on the map but the family moved > around a bit. They were at 52 Edmund St, Dennistoun, Glasgow, in 1901. The > father was a foreman plumber (journeyman) and gas fitter with Glasgow > Corporation. I was just curious to see if the young boy had died at home or > in a hospital. Probably at home in a tenement in Firpark street. Perhaps > they moved there to be nearer to the Royal Infirmary > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maisie Egger > Sent: 20 April, 2016 1:15 PM > To: Judy Wardlaw ; lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow > > Judy, > > No doubt 109 Firpark Street, Dennistoun, was a tenement (not a high rise, > that is a more modern nomenclature when the old tenements were demolished to > make way for high-rise flats, the highest being the Red Road flats, 34 > storeys (sp?) high and at one point the highest in Europe but most of which > have recently been demolished.) > > Firpark Street runs adjacent to the Necropolis Cemetery, and by extension > near the Glasgow Cathedral and Royal Infirmary. > > That whole section of Glasgow has been 'gutted,' shall we say, and many of > the tenements are no more, either being replaced by modern flats or 'spare > ground.' I was born not too far away from Firpark St., and the whole area > has been built over to accommodate the University of Strathclyde or student > housing or has been replaced by little pockets of greenery. The whole area > is quite unrecognisable now from when I lived in Glasgow. > > (By the way, Firpark Street is cheek by jowl with Townhead, the oldest part > of Glasgow where St. Kentigern (or Mungo) decided to dedicate the spot for > his cathedral.) > > Maisie > > http://www.britishstreets.info/firpark-street-dennistoun-glasgow-strathclyde > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Wardlaw via > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 3:04 PM > To: lanark@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow > > Can anyone tell me what 109 Firpark street (Dennistoun) Glasgow was in 1913 > where a 6 year old child died of epilepsy? Was it a house or hospital? > I have checked Google maps and it now appears to be a high rise building. > Judy > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. > > You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Maisie for the background information. In 1911 (Census) the family were living at 7 Dewpark Gardens, South Shettleston, Glasgow, which I cannot find on the map of Glasgow. Shettleton seems to be some distance rom Firpark street on the map but the family moved around a bit. They were at 52 Edmund St, Dennistoun, Glasgow, in 1901. The father was a foreman plumber (journeyman) and gas fitter with Glasgow Corporation. I was just curious to see if the young boy had died at home or in a hospital. Probably at home in a tenement in Firpark street. Perhaps they moved there to be nearer to the Royal Infirmary Judy -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger Sent: 20 April, 2016 1:15 PM To: Judy Wardlaw ; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow Judy, No doubt 109 Firpark Street, Dennistoun, was a tenement (not a high rise, that is a more modern nomenclature when the old tenements were demolished to make way for high-rise flats, the highest being the Red Road flats, 34 storeys (sp?) high and at one point the highest in Europe but most of which have recently been demolished.) Firpark Street runs adjacent to the Necropolis Cemetery, and by extension near the Glasgow Cathedral and Royal Infirmary. That whole section of Glasgow has been 'gutted,' shall we say, and many of the tenements are no more, either being replaced by modern flats or 'spare ground.' I was born not too far away from Firpark St., and the whole area has been built over to accommodate the University of Strathclyde or student housing or has been replaced by little pockets of greenery. The whole area is quite unrecognisable now from when I lived in Glasgow. (By the way, Firpark Street is cheek by jowl with Townhead, the oldest part of Glasgow where St. Kentigern (or Mungo) decided to dedicate the spot for his cathedral.) Maisie http://www.britishstreets.info/firpark-street-dennistoun-glasgow-strathclyde -----Original Message----- From: Judy Wardlaw via Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 3:04 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow Can anyone tell me what 109 Firpark street (Dennistoun) Glasgow was in 1913 where a 6 year old child died of epilepsy? Was it a house or hospital? I have checked Google maps and it now appears to be a high rise building. Judy ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Queries and answers, please. I must assume that 42 Parliamentary Road, Townhead, Glasgow, was a tenement building where my father’s great-grandfather James Hillcoat died. Parliamentary Road no longer exists as formerly, but I am assuming that #42 had to be near the Buchanan Street end. I cannot find on Google Little Downhill, Glasgow, where James Hillcosat was born 17 April, 1791. There is an upscale Downhill, but putting two and two together, James Hillcoat seems to have lived in more modest areas of Glasgow. At one time he and his wife Helen Young (31 Oct 1795-20 Dec 1867) lived at 62 Weaver St., Townhead, Glasgow, where Jenny Myers’ Keith (also a potter) also lived. Both James Hillcoat and Keith also lived in Rutherglen, where they worked in the pottery there. Two of James Hillcoat and Helen Young Hillcoat’s 11 children died at the age of 68 and 61 respectively in Rutherglen, within a month of each other long after James Hillcoat died (1857), so the assumption is that they, too, likely were potters in Rutherglen. James Hillcoat (son) b. 23 Aug 1825, Newton, Renfrewshire, d. 4 Dec. 1893 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire. Thomas Young Hillcoat b. 1832 ?, s. 24 Nov. 1893 Rutherglen, unless I have the years of their deaths mixed up. I can’t find the district of Newton, only the rather upscale Newton Mearns, and so I wonder now if Newton goes by another name. Questions then: 42 Parliamentary Rd. a tenement? Where would Little Downhill be located? James jr. and Thomas Young Hillcoat died the same year 1893? Is/Was Newton a separate area from Newton Mearns? Maisie

Sorry Judy, it should be the third image you need to look at. Cheers, Linda -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda via Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:37 PM To: 'Judy Wardlaw' <jwardlaw@netspace.net.au>; lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow Hi Judy Under the Glasgow Story website, you will find the Glasgow Valuation Rolls for 1913-1914. Type in Firpark under the heading "where" and press "search", and this will take you to the valuation rolls. Click on the fourth image and this will take you to the right page. Click on "view larger image" to see the details. After you have looked at this, you can then go back to Ward Maps (ward 5) and print off a very detailed map of the area. Kind regards, Linda -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Wardlaw via Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:04 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow Can anyone tell me what 109 Firpark street (Dennistoun) Glasgow was in 1913 where a 6 year old child died of epilepsy? Was it a house or hospital? I have checked Google maps and it now appears to be a high rise building. Judy ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Judy Under the Glasgow Story website, you will find the Glasgow Valuation Rolls for 1913-1914. Type in Firpark under the heading "where" and press "search", and this will take you to the valuation rolls. Click on the fourth image and this will take you to the right page. Click on "view larger image" to see the details. After you have looked at this, you can then go back to Ward Maps (ward 5) and print off a very detailed map of the area. Kind regards, Linda -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Wardlaw via Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:04 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: [Lanark] Firpark street Glasgow Can anyone tell me what 109 Firpark street (Dennistoun) Glasgow was in 1913 where a 6 year old child died of epilepsy? Was it a house or hospital? I have checked Google maps and it now appears to be a high rise building. Judy ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as LANARK@Rootsweb.com. You may contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You should check on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for the original image of the parish register. That might give you more information. Here is a link to a history of the churches of Barony Parish (and the parish itself). http://www.glasgowhistory.co.uk/Other%20Sections/100%20Churches/Barony.htm The last church built for Barony Parish is now part of the university, but as it was erected in 1879 would not be church for your ancestor's baptism. It seems that that building designed by James Adams and opened for use in 1799 no longer exists. Jo-Ann Croft On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Gail Leonardo via <lanark@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Lanark list: I am looking for help. Is anyone able to tell be what > church my Great, great Grandfather Angus Anderson was baptized in. He was > born in Barony, Lanark in 1817 on May 8th to Martin and Sarah Anderson. > His Christening date was May 18th, 1817. I have tried with no luck to find > what church it was. I did find some info in this link: > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname:Angus~%20%2Bsurname:Anderson~%20%2Bbirth_place:Scotland~%20%2Bbirth_year:1817-1817~%20%2Bgender:M&collection_id=1771030 > My daughters and I are planning our trip to Scotland for next year and we > would very much love to visit the church and maybe from visiting the church > they might be able to tell us their home address they lived at which of > course is our ultimate goal. > Many thanks for any assistance as it will be truly appreciated, Gail > Anderson Leonardo > gail_leonardo@hotmail.com > > >

Hello Lanark list: I am looking for help. Is anyone able to tell be what church my Great, great Grandfather Angus Anderson was baptized in. He was born in Barony, Lanark in 1817 on May 8th to Martin and Sarah Anderson. His Christening date was May 18th, 1817. I have tried with no luck to find what church it was. I did find some info in this link: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname:Angus~%20%2Bsurname:Anderson~%20%2Bbirth_place:Scotland~%20%2Bbirth_year:1817-1817~%20%2Bgender:M&collection_id=1771030 My daughters and I are planning our trip to Scotland for next year and we would very much love to visit the church and maybe from visiting the church they might be able to tell us their home address they lived at which of course is our ultimate goal. Many thanks for any assistance as it will be truly appreciated, Gail Anderson Leonardo gail_leonardo@hotmail.com