Col I found several more in another file: COALMASTER: Owner and operator of a coal mine COAL TRIMMER: A person who stabilised coal-carrying barges/ships COLLIER: Coal miner, at the coal face HEWER: Miner underground working at the coal face OVERMAN: Supervisor in colliery checking mine and coal quality PITHEADMAN: Over-ground worker at a coal mine (pit) PIT BRUSHER: Coal miner who repaired mine passage roofs and sides PIT ROADMAN: Mine worker preparing and repairing underground passageways PONY DRIVER: Leading pony underground pulling coal hutches There may be others I missed when I scanned through. I had no idea it was so complex. It's a bit difficult splitting hairs with some! Kindest regards Julie

Hello Col You asked 'what is the difference between a a Coalier, Collier, Coal miner and a Coal hewer? I can recall as a kid Coal Heavers, but they were wharfies. ' I have a file of early occupations listed alphabetically (sorry, no source!) and it gives these descriptions in relation to some coal mining occupations: COAL BACKER: A person employed to carry sacks of coal from the coal barge to the coal wagons COAL BURNER: A person who made charcoal COAL DRAWER: A person who worked in the mines pushing or dragging the coal carts the bottom of the pit COAL HEAVER: A person employed to move coal e.g. from boat to shore or from shore to boat COAL HIGGLER, COAL MERCHANT or COALMAN: A person who sold coal usually from a horse and cart, house to house COAL RUNNER: A person who attended the coal carts underground COAL WHIPPER: A person employed to unload coal from ships using baskets attached to a simple form of crane COLLIER: A coal miner, a coal merchant or a person who worked on the coal barges. Also a person who worked at the pit face and actually got the coal PIT BROW LASS: A female worker who worked on the surface of the mines PITMAN: A coal miner There is some overlap with some of these and maybe terminology varied from place to place Anyway, hope this helps! Kindest regards Julie NSW Aust

Thanks Julie, That is pretty much what Google told me. Col

Thanks Carolyn, but not a lot of help doesn't mention any of the people in my other post, I'll Google it. Col

G'day Listers, from several years of reading Jim's postings for which I'm grateful I have a question - what is the difference between a Coalier, Collier, Coal miner and a Coal hewer? I can recall as a kid Coal Heavers, but they were wharfies. My Grandfather was a gold miner in Kalgoorlie and a Silver miner in Broken Hill, I can't ever recollect him calling himself a Goldier, or hewer or anything other than Boss (at work) at home Nan was boss. Col

Wow!  Thank you. --- On Sun, 1/10/10, hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> wrote: From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Gray in Lks To: lanark@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:21 PM No info on the other Gray  messages to List. Karin, Only one Daniel listed for the time frame but 1783 GRAY, Daniel Christening Gender:    Male Birth Date:    21 Feb 1783 Christening Date:    1 Mar 1783 Recorded in:    Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland Father:    James GRAY Mother:    Margaret STRANG Source:    FHL Film 1066593 Dates:    1686 - 1820 ------------- Gray/Steele births: GRAY James Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 31 Oct 1814 Christening Date: 13 Nov 1814 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 1066593 Dates: 1686 - 1820 GRAY Ann Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 27 Oct 1818 Christening Date: 20 Dec 1818 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 1066593 Dates: 1686 - 1820 GRAY Daniel Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 28 Jun 1820 Christening Date: 16 Jul 1820 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 102951 + Dates: 1686 - 1820 GRAY Elisabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 14 Mar 1822 Christening Date: 7 Apr 1822 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 102951 + Dates: 1818 - 1855 GRAY Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 25 Nov 1823 Christening Date: 21 Dec 1823 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 102951 + Dates: 1818 - 1855 GRAY David Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 15 Sep 1828 Christening Date: 5 Oct 1828 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 102951 + Dates: 1828 - 1828 ============================ On 09/01/2010 11:03 PM, Karin Rice wrote:<SNIP>...I am researching Daniel Gray, born circa 1791 in Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  He married Margaret Steele in 1811 in Hamilton... ============================   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 10-Jan-10, at 11:05 PM, Col Paterson wrote: > G'day Listers, from several years of reading Jim's postings for > which I'm > grateful I have a question - what is the difference between a Coalier, > Collier, Coal miner and a Coal hewer? I can recall as a kid Coal > Heavers, > but they were wharfies. > My Grandfather was a gold miner in Kalgoorlie and a Silver miner in > Broken > Hill, I can't ever recollect him calling himself a Goldier, or hewer > or > anything other than Boss (at work) at home Nan was boss. > Col > > Perhaps this is useful but keep in mind that terms changed over the years. And likely different sets of terms apply to coal, gold and silver miners http://www.dmm.org.uk/educate/mineocc.htm In any case, google is your friend. Carolyn

The following were on a page of Births/Bapts. January - April 1703 Parents surnames and witnesses. Aldcorn - Mun Wit. Farie - Wilson Bowman - Jackson Wit. Jackson - Jackson Lee(i)tch - Fyfe Wit. Spens - Fyfe Greenlees - Shanks Wit. Strange - Parkhills Jamisone - Snodgrasse Wit. Ker - Ker Fyfe - Carruth Wit. Paterson - Pinkertowne Robisone - Weir Wit. Shaw - Robisone Pinkertown - Farie Wit. Wilson - Scott Muir - Robison Wit. Witherspoon - Farie Freebairn - Cummins Wit. Muir - Paterson Regards, Jenny Lake Macquarie NSW

I also have had this problem on at least 70% of the previous searches I have tried over the past 2/3 weeks. I have been a subscriber for a number of years and have made no changes in the way I use the site. Carol in the UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <mail4winning@aol.co.uk> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: [Lanark] Scotlands People - Previous Searches > > Hi Listers, > > I am having great difficulty trying to access previous searches on > Scotlands People and wonder if any other listers are experincing this > problem? > > After bringing up the previous serach list and hitting the view button, I > find I am having to wait lengthy periods before getting the message below. > > SITE CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE > The site is currently unavailable or has encountered a problem that > prevents it responding to your request. Please continue to the home page. > You may be asked to login before resuming your searching. Please feel free > to inform us of the circumstances in which you encountered this problem by > filling this form. > > > I have timed the delays in trying to gain access and these have ranged > from 2 minutes to 20 minutes before getting the above message and tonight > I gave up after 40 minutes trying to access just 4 previous searches. > > I tried and PAID for a new search to get the info and "Hey Presto" it > worked!!! > > This service from SP seems to me as if it's a hit or miss (mostly miss) to > gain access and very irritating and time consuming. > > I have made complaints to SP about this but just keep getting "fobbed off" > with statements that my previous searches are available. > > Any feedback would be appreciated > > Cheers, > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bob I have been using SP, on and off, all weekend, including the previous search function, and have been having no problems - yet! I am in the UK. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: <mail4winning@aol.co.uk> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: [Lanark] Scotlands People - Previous Searches > > Hi Listers, > > I am having great difficulty trying to access previous searches on > Scotlands People and wonder if any other listers are experincing this > problem? >

hi all, are there any researchers researching GRAY in LKS? Am looking for descendants of a George McRewar GRAY writer to the signet, who lived at Blairburn Park, he married Agnes WHITEHEAD, 1858 in Dunblain, they had 9 children 1] William, 1859 - 1926 2] Agnes Graham, 1861 - 1866 3] James Whitehead, 1865 - 1918, was in Rhodesia <Zimbabwe> 4] George, 1871- 1923, Writer in Glasgow 5] Mary McRuer, 1869 - ?, Married a Duncan JOHNSON 6] John, 1871 - ? 7] Margaret, 1872 - ? , married a Samuel Stevenson? 8] Agnes, 1875 - ? 9] Helen, 1878 - 1884 TIA Malcolm

NB For irregular entries of Baptisms 1737-1826, see after recved for 1819 - at end of volume also see between 1809 Page 1 1804 - John Jeffrey Junr in Shank know knowhead and Margt Gardner Spouses had a son born their upon Wednesday the 1st Feby and Baptized in the Church here and Named John Jeffrey 1804-James Murie collier at Mr Creelmans Colliery in the Parish of Old Monkland and Elisabeth Burt Spouses had a Daughter born at Shotts Iron Works in this Parish upon Thursday the 26th day of Jany and Baptized in the Church here upon Sunday the 5th Feby and Named Helen Murie 1803 - James Thomson farmer in East field in the Lands of Muirhead and Agnes Robison his lawful Spouses had twins born there upon Thursday the 11 Novemr the One a Son, and the other a Daughter & Baptized by the Revd Mr Hislop the Son Named John Thomson & the Daughter Named Janet Thomson 1804 - Alexander Thomson farmer in Wester Windyedge and Agnes Wilson his Lawful Spouses had a Daughter born there upon Monday the 23d Jany and Baptized in the Church here upon Sunday the 19th Feby and Named Margaret Thomson 1804 - Walter McQueen coalhewer in Knownoble and Mary Millar his Lawful Wife had a Son Born there upon Sunday the 26th Feby and Baptized in the Church here upon Sunday the 4th March and Named Peter McQueen 1804 - James Reid and Rachel King Spouses Coalier at Shotts Iron Works had a Son born there upon Monday the Sixth day of February and Baptized in the Church here upon Sunday the 11th March and Named William Reid 1804 - William Kyle miner at Shotts Iron Works and Jean Train Spouses had a Son born there upon Friday the Ninth day of March and Baptized in the Church here upon Sunday the 11th and Named John Kyle 1804 - Archibald Currie undertaker of Sandyford Colliery and Euphemia Saunders his lawful Spouses presently residing at Fairey Bank had a Son born at Chapelhall Lauchope Lands on Monday the 9th Jany & Baptized in Church here upon a Line from the Minister of Bothwell upon the 25th March & Named George Currie 1804 - Thomas Porteous labourer at Parkhead & Betty Paterson Spouse had a Son Born there upon the fourth day of Feby & Baptized and Named Thomas Porteous Page 2 1804 - James Wilson coalier at Shotts Iron Works and Janet Purdie his lawful Spouses had a Son born there on Saturday the 18th February and Baptized in the Church here upon Sunday the 1st April and Named James Wilson 1804 - John Monro Sneddan coalier at Shotts Iron Works and Margaret Grant his lawful Spouses had a Daughter born there upon Monday the 27th Feby and Baptized here upon Sunday the 1st April and Named Euphemia Sneddan 1804 - James Boston weaver in Salisbury and Jean Russell his lawful Spouses had a daughter born there on Wednesday the Seventh day of March and Baptized in the Church here on Sunday the 1st April and Ann Hamilton or Hutcheson Boston 1804 - Mr William Campbell Clerk at Omoa Iron Works and Mrs Elisabeth Naysmith his lawful Spouses had a Son born there upon Friday the 23d March and Baptized and Named John Campbell 1804 - John Greenhorn coalier at Shotts Iron Works and Janet White Spouses had a Daughter born there upon Friday the 30th March & Baptized in the Church there upon Sunday the 22nd April & Named Margaret Greenhorn

Hi Listers, I am having great difficulty trying to access previous searches on Scotlands People and wonder if any other listers are experincing this problem? After bringing up the previous serach list and hitting the view button, I find I am having to wait lengthy periods before getting the message below. SITE CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE The site is currently unavailable or has encountered a problem that prevents it responding to your request. Please continue to the home page. You may be asked to login before resuming your searching. Please feel free to inform us of the circumstances in which you encountered this problem by filling this form. I have timed the delays in trying to gain access and these have ranged from 2 minutes to 20 minutes before getting the above message and tonight I gave up after 40 minutes trying to access just 4 previous searches. I tried and PAID for a new search to get the info and "Hey Presto" it worked!!! This service from SP seems to me as if it's a hit or miss (mostly miss) to gain access and very irritating and time consuming. I have made complaints to SP about this but just keep getting "fobbed off" with statements that my previous searches are available. Any feedback would be appreciated Cheers, Bob

No info on the other Gray messages to List. Karin, Only one Daniel listed for the time frame but 1783 GRAY, Daniel Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 Feb 1783 Christening Date: 1 Mar 1783 Recorded in: Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland Father: James GRAY Mother: Margaret STRANG Source: FHL Film 1066593 Dates: 1686 - 1820 ------------- Gray/Steele births: GRAY James Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 31 Oct 1814 Christening Date: 13 Nov 1814 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 1066593 Dates: 1686 - 1820 GRAY Ann Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 27 Oct 1818 Christening Date: 20 Dec 1818 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 1066593 Dates: 1686 - 1820 GRAY Daniel Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 28 Jun 1820 Christening Date: 16 Jul 1820 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 102951 + Dates: 1686 - 1820 GRAY Elisabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 14 Mar 1822 Christening Date: 7 Apr 1822 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 102951 + Dates: 1818 - 1855 GRAY Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 25 Nov 1823 Christening Date: 21 Dec 1823 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 102951 + Dates: 1818 - 1855 GRAY David Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 15 Sep 1828 Christening Date: 5 Oct 1828 Recorded in: Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland Father: Daniel GRAY Mother: Margaret STEEL Source: FHL Film 102951 + Dates: 1828 - 1828 ============================ On 09/01/2010 11:03 PM, Karin Rice wrote:<SNIP>...I am researching Daniel Gray, born circa 1791 in Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He married Margaret Steele in 1811 in Hamilton... ============================

Just Signed in, previous searches and Images work as advertised. Make sure you are set-up as per the technical directions on Page Technical Information/System Requirements and Viewing Images Bob Cdn ===================== On 10/01/2010 10:32 AM, mail4winning@aol.co.uk wrote:<SNIP>...I am having great difficulty trying to access previous searches on Scotlands People and wonder if any other listers are experincing this problem? ===================

The following are my GRAY family. I am always looking for more information. I have a few photos. Glad to share. George Allan GRAY b 1861 Shettleston Agnes RAMAGE d bef 1877 m 1854 Glasgow children: George 1855 - 1922 in PA Elizabeth 1857 Margaret 1859 -abt 1930 in Scotland Agnes 1861 Jemima R. 1862 - 1934 in Cathcart William 1865 Catherine 1867 James R. 1870 only 3 lived to adulthood More about George 1855 - 1922: m Jeanie MURRAY b 1853 d abt 1882 m 1877 children: Margaret 1878 - 1965 Agnes 1880 - 1926 m Margaret BROWN 1866 - 1943 m 1887 while living in Coatbridge children: Jean 1888 - 1952 Andrew 1890 - 1951 Norman McPhearson 1896 - 1968 Interesting note: a professional photo of Jeanie Murray Gray was taken at M. Gray & Co. Photographic Studio, 4 Bellgrove Street, Glasgow For those interested in photo studios - a photo of Margaret Gray (1859) was taken at Crawford Hamilton 13 St. Vincent Place, Glasgow (or) 29 Westburn St. Greenock. Any comments will be appreciated. Joanne PA USA

I am researching Daniel Gray, born circa 1791 in Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  He married Margaret Steele in 1811 in Hamilton. --- On Sun, 1/10/10, malcolmgray <malcolmgray@dodo.com.au> wrote: From: malcolmgray <malcolmgray@dodo.com.au> Subject: [Lanark] Gray in Lks To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:11 AM hi all, are there any researchers researching GRAY in LKS? Am looking for descendants of a George McRewar GRAY writer to the signet, who lived at Blairburn Park, he married Agnes WHITEHEAD, 1858 in Dunblain, they had 9 children 1] William, 1859 - 1926 2] Agnes Graham, 1861 - 1866 3] James Whitehead, 1865 - 1918, was in Rhodesia <Zimbabwe> 4] George, 1871- 1923, Writer in Glasgow 5] Mary McRuer, 1869 - ?, Married a Duncan JOHNSON 6] John, 1871 - ? 7] Margaret, 1872 - ? , married a Samuel Stevenson? 8] Agnes, 1875 - ? 9] Helen, 1878 - 1884 TIA Malcolm   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a James Gray born Nov 11,1869,who had a stationary store in Motherwell, Lannark, Scotland married to Elizabeth Stirling.  His father was James Gray and Mother was Janie Anderson Aitken.  I have pictures as well as quite a bit of history on this family.  Could this match any of your Grays. --- On Sat, 1/9/10, malcolmgray <malcolmgray@dodo.com.au> wrote: From: malcolmgray <malcolmgray@dodo.com.au> Subject: [Lanark] Gray in Lks To: LANARK@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 7:11 PM hi all, are there any researchers researching GRAY in LKS? Am looking for descendants of a George McRewar GRAY writer to the signet, who lived at Blairburn Park, he married Agnes WHITEHEAD, 1858 in Dunblain, they had 9 children 1] William, 1859 - 1926 2] Agnes Graham, 1861 - 1866 3] James Whitehead, 1865 - 1918, was in Rhodesia <Zimbabwe> 4] George, 1871- 1923, Writer in Glasgow 5] Mary McRuer, 1869 - ?, Married a Duncan JOHNSON 6] John, 1871 - ? 7] Margaret, 1872 - ? , married a Samuel Stevenson? 8] Agnes, 1875 - ? 9] Helen, 1878 - 1884 TIA Malcolm   ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC:  The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE:  Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any one have a Mary Haddow married to Adam Lillie/Lilly? They were married 27 Sep 1833 & had two sons, Adam born about 1833 & William born about 1839 Valerie

Kind regards Elizabeth (in cold Ontario, Canada) Henry Baxter b.1837 d.1890 husband of Ann Scobbie b.Abt.1839. His parents are Susan Baxter and John Baxter. Susan is the daughter of Andrew Baxter and Jean Thomson, who I mentioned in the original e-mail. Do you have a connection to this Baxter line?