Hello Lanark list People have been lifting large chunks of my carefully researched and proven family tree for years and adding it on to their own family who usually are no relation to mine whatsoever. I've sort of gotten over my annoyance because if I send them a polite message they either don't reply or else say that they got it from someone else.Hmmmmmmm!! But the latest one has got me really cranky. My great great greats were born, married and died in Glasgow Lanarkshire (I hold the certificates) but a woman in the USA has added them and their children to her own tree (all information exactly taken from my work) and has just changed their places of death to Beaver Pennsylvania!!Good grief!!She has even added on another child. I've just sent her a polite e mail but I doubt that she will bother to reply and there really isn't much I can do about it I guess Just wondering if other list folk have had the some experiences? Thanks for listening.Just needed to get it off my chest Annie

I have been told by older cousins that my granny used to attend what was locally called "The English Church" in Brooke Street, off London Road in Bridgeton Glasgow. I have also been told it has now closed, perhaps 20 or 30 years ago. Can anyone tell me the name of the Church and the  denomination, and if records are available anywhere. 

Please, let's end the discussion on "Stealing my family tree" and if you still want to discuss it then please do so off list. Based on the subject line itself, it can be taken as flaming, and based on the original post being on more than one list can be defined as spam, but overall it simply has very little to do with the topic of this list. I've let it go this long because I hoped it would diminish on its own, but that does not seem to be happening so let's get back to Lanark genealogy. Thank you for your cooperation. David E. Cann lanark-admin@rootsweb.com Admin of the Lanarkshire, Scotland mailing list on RootsWeb List information: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html

G'day Folks, For what it is worth, there were British troops garrisoned at Jersey through and after the Napoleonic Wars. I have found three families there who were Irish and some descendants remained in Jersey for many years. However, I have not determined the Regiments involved. The RC church of St Mary and St Peter at St Helier would be a good starting point. Good Luck Bill Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Ella > > Although its a possibility that needs exploring I don't quite see the > connection of a birth in Jersey to the Military necessarily > > It wouldn't be Militia unless he was in the Jersey Militia which sounds > unlikely, plenty of people went over there to work so he could as easily be > a gardener there as in Scotland > > Estate owners often took their own staff with them so there may be a > connection between his employers in Scotland and in Jersey > Do you know who he worked for in Scotland (I assume it was Scotland?) > > Birth in Jersey is not that unusual if you look at the census, for example > there are over 500 enumerated in the English 1851 that were born in Jersey > 1806 to 1816 (2,700+ all ages same year) > > If you want to pursue the possibility that he was in the Military, there is > a book which may be worth investigating, large reference libraries may have > a copy > > Its called > > In Search of the Forlorn Hope: A Comprehensive Guide to Locating British > Regiments and Their Records (1640 to WW1) > by John M. Kitzmiller (Author) > > You may be able to find what Regiments were in the Channel Islands at the > time then check muster rolls etc at the National Archives > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >

Hi Nivard Thanks very much for your reply. I was thinking of the military because it was during the Napoleonic wars. In the 1851 Census I saw that Michael was born in Jersey. I joined a Channel Islands List and someone was generous enough to look up his Baptismal details for me. He said there was no occupation shown for Michael's father James and mentioned that it was unlikely he was in the militia for that reason. He also said that staff were brought by officers/estate owners etc. Have never been able to positively identify James or Isabella since the baptismal details. Haven't found any death certificates etc. Could well be that they had died before 1855. I'll keep on trying to get over, through or under this brick wall. One of many. Thanks again. Ella Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] McBain - Soldier > Hi Ella > > Although its a possibility that needs exploring I don't quite see the > connection of a birth in Jersey to the Military necessarily > > It wouldn't be Militia unless he was in the Jersey Militia which sounds > unlikely, plenty of people went over there to work so he could as easily > be > a gardener there as in Scotland > > Estate owners often took their own staff with them so there may be a > connection between his employers in Scotland and in Jersey > Do you know who he worked for in Scotland (I assume it was Scotland?) > > Birth in Jersey is not that unusual if you look at the census, for example > there are over 500 enumerated in the English 1851 that were born in Jersey > 1806 to 1816 (2,700+ all ages same year) > > If you want to pursue the possibility that he was in the Military, there > is > a book which may be worth investigating, large reference libraries may > have > a copy > > Its called > > In Search of the Forlorn Hope: A Comprehensive Guide to Locating British > Regiments and Their Records (1640 to WW1) > by John M. Kitzmiller (Author) > > You may be able to find what Regiments were in the Channel Islands at the > time then check muster rolls etc at the National Archives > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Hi Nivard >> One of my ancestors Michael Gillespie was born in Jersey in 1811. On his >> baptismal records his father's occupation was not shown. His father waas >> James Gillespie and his mother Isabella Baird. Michael ended up as a >> shoemaker in Edinburgh. On his death certificate James' occupation was >> gardener. >> >> I've long thought his father was in the militia. >> >> Any ideas you have would be greatly appreciated. >> Regards >> Ella Ross > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Interesting thread but these things can go both ways. I have had three examples and each one different.  One was about a McIntosh ancestor from Argyll, where myself and several others, world wide, had thought we had found every sibling of my 3X GGrandfather, and we had all checked every record we could find. A lady from Hamilton, I think it was, contacted us and told us of another brother.  We were all quick to point out that this "other" brother, did not exist. However the lady from Hamilton was correct and was able to produce a death certificate none of us would ever have found, and this proved that we were all wrong.  I also found a family tree on line regarding the same family relating to my 4XGreat grandfather. On this occasion the tree shown on line went back two further generations. Unfortunately all attempts to trace the author, have to date faile, and whilst her claim is possibly correct, I cannot substantiate it but at least it gave me possibilities.  The third is a total mystery and concerns my Waiwright ancestry from London and Glasgow. All evidence suggests bigamy but when I contacted ancestors of the London branch they refuted my information that, in all likliehood we were related, they refused to accept the information even though I had proved that their ancestor was born in Glasgow in 1855.  All part of the fun of genealogy.  Will post the last story in a separate email in the hope I can finally resolve the mystery of my Wainwrights.   ----- Original Message ---- From: Ian Rodney <ian@rodneyim.freeserve.co.uk> To: lanark@rootsweb.com; cperkes@videotron.ca Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 1:48:36 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Re stealing my family tree Hi Carolyn I have had a similar problem. The lady in question contacted me via Ancestry regarding my grandfather's brother. She claimed to be his granddaughter. I have a comprehensive set of BMD records for the branch of the family and when I probed for more information from her the E mail contact died.

I would advise... get over it no matter how difficult it is accept. Many years ago had someone take my whole tree and added a second wife somewhere and boasted about his family research. No everyone plays the game ces't la vie Alex -------------------------------------------------- From: "billannieliam" <billannieliam@ozemail.com.au> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:11 AM To: <LANARK@rootsweb.com>; <sct-glasgow@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Lanark] Re stealing my family tree > Hello Lanark list > People have been lifting large chunks of my carefully researched and > proven > family tree for years and adding it on to their own family who usually > are > no relation to mine whatsoever. > I've sort of gotten over my annoyance because if I send them a polite > message they either don't reply or else say that they got it from someone > else.Hmmmmmmm!! > But the latest one has got me really cranky. > My great great greats were born, married and died in Glasgow Lanarkshire > (I > hold the certificates) but a woman in the USA has added them and their > children to her own tree (all information exactly taken from my work) and > has just changed their places of death to Beaver Pennsylvania!!Good > grief!!She has even added on another child. > I've just sent her a polite e mail but I doubt that she will bother to > reply > and there really isn't much I can do about it I guess > Just wondering if other list folk have had the some experiences? > Thanks for listening.Just needed to get it off my chest > > Annie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.138/2618 - Release Date: > 01/13/10 07:35:00 >

Ella, As Nivard mentioned - there were a lot of English on Jersey over various periods of time, many bringing their masonry and other varied skills .... and there were a number of Military troops as well.... http://www.nationaltrustjersey.org.je/showcase/militarybuildings.asp If I remember correctly there has been some discussion on the CI Mailing list about various English troops. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] McBain - Soldier > Hi Ella > > Although its a possibility that needs exploring I don't quite see the > connection of a birth in Jersey to the Military necessarily > > It wouldn't be Militia unless he was in the Jersey Militia which sounds > unlikely, plenty of people went over there to work so he could as easily > be > a gardener there as in Scotland > > Estate owners often took their own staff with them so there may be a > connection between his employers in Scotland and in Jersey > Do you know who he worked for in Scotland (I assume it was Scotland?) > > Birth in Jersey is not that unusual if you look at the census, for example > there are over 500 enumerated in the English 1851 that were born in Jersey > 1806 to 1816 (2,700+ all ages same year) > > If you want to pursue the possibility that he was in the Military, there > is > a book which may be worth investigating, large reference libraries may > have > a copy > > Its called > > In Search of the Forlorn Hope: A Comprehensive Guide to Locating British > Regiments and Their Records (1640 to WW1) > by John M. Kitzmiller (Author) > > You may be able to find what Regiments were in the Channel Islands at the > time then check muster rolls etc at the National Archives > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Hi Nivard >> One of my ancestors Michael Gillespie was born in Jersey in 1811. On his >> baptismal records his father's occupation was not shown. His father waas >> James Gillespie and his mother Isabella Baird. Michael ended up as a >> shoemaker in Edinburgh. On his death certificate James' occupation was >> gardener. >> >> I've long thought his father was in the militia. >> >> Any ideas you have would be greatly appreciated. >> Regards >> Ella Ross > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.137/2617 - Release Date: 01/12/10 19:35:00

Hi, I also have my tree set to private and only allow people that I feel may be related to view it. As soon as I saw the phrase, " Beaver Pennsylvania", I stopped feeling quite as aggravated for you. I have come across Beaver, Pennsylvania attached to many records when I attach them to my tree. It's not in the visible information. It occurs when I am trying to save a record to my tree. It will usually say something like, "Lanarkshire, Scotland, Beaver, Pennsylvania." When I first saw it I thought perhaps the information was telling me that although it MAY be Scotland, it might also be in Pennsylvania in the US. It's not. I don't know how or why it happens, but it's not infrequent. Perhaps the person who has copied your tree has attempted to add records as proof and didn't even realize that it was attached. (I'm giving he or she the benefit of the doubt) I hope that will help take some of the tension from you. I doubt they intended to change the place of death for your ancestors. Cece

On 13-Jan-10, at 9:11 PM, billannieliam wrote: > Hello Lanark list > People have been lifting large chunks of my carefully researched and > proven > family tree for years and adding it on to their own family who > usually are > no relation to mine whatsoever. > I've sort of gotten over my annoyance because if I send them a polite > message they either don't reply or else say that they got it from > someone > else.Hmmmmmmm!! > But the latest one has got me really cranky. > My great great greats were born, married and died in Glasgow > Lanarkshire (I > hold the certificates) but a woman in the USA has added them and their > children to her own tree (all information exactly taken from my > work) and > has just changed their places of death to Beaver Pennsylvania!!Good > grief!!She has even added on another child. > I've just sent her a polite e mail but I doubt that she will bother > to reply > and there really isn't much I can do about it I guess > Just wondering if other list folk have had the some experiences? > Thanks for listening.Just needed to get it off my chest > > Annie > I have given information to a few people in the U.S about English and Scottish ancestors. (I live in Canada), for which I have never received thanks. That said, probably we all need to remember that there are risks involved in sharing information on lists. At the same time, I have received precious assistance from contacts on various lists, for which I am very grateful. I don't put my tree out there on just any websites, though. Annie, if you have posted your tree out there on some website, maybe you should remove it. Carolyn

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Hi Ella Although its a possibility that needs exploring I don't quite see the connection of a birth in Jersey to the Military necessarily It wouldn't be Militia unless he was in the Jersey Militia which sounds unlikely, plenty of people went over there to work so he could as easily be a gardener there as in Scotland Estate owners often took their own staff with them so there may be a connection between his employers in Scotland and in Jersey Do you know who he worked for in Scotland (I assume it was Scotland?) Birth in Jersey is not that unusual if you look at the census, for example there are over 500 enumerated in the English 1851 that were born in Jersey 1806 to 1816 (2,700+ all ages same year) If you want to pursue the possibility that he was in the Military, there is a book which may be worth investigating, large reference libraries may have a copy Its called In Search of the Forlorn Hope: A Comprehensive Guide to Locating British Regiments and Their Records (1640 to WW1) by John M. Kitzmiller (Author) You may be able to find what Regiments were in the Channel Islands at the time then check muster rolls etc at the National Archives Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard > One of my ancestors Michael Gillespie was born in Jersey in 1811. On his > baptismal records his father's occupation was not shown. His father waas > James Gillespie and his mother Isabella Baird. Michael ended up as a > shoemaker in Edinburgh. On his death certificate James' occupation was > gardener. > > I've long thought his father was in the militia. > > Any ideas you have would be greatly appreciated. > Regards > Ella Ross

Jill, Have you been in contact with Cameron McBain clmcbain@rogers.com on the Aberdeen list, he has been chasing soldiers within the McBain family over the past 12 months. Maybe some came down from the highlands.... Regards Jenny

Hi Nivard One of my ancestors Michael Gillespie was born in Jersey in 1811. On his baptismal records his father's occupation was not shown. His father waas James Gillespie and his mother Isabella Baird. Michael ended up as a shoemaker in Edinburgh. On his death certificate James' occupation was gardener. I've long thought his father was in the militia. Any ideas you have would be greatly appreciated. Regards Ella Ross Any help to ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] McBain - Soldier > Hi Jill > > Regiments went where they were sent > > The movements of the 77th are given as > > 1820 England > 1823 Ireland > 1824 Jamaica > 1834 England > 1834 Ireland > 1837 Malta > 1842 Ionian Islands: Corfu > 1843 Jamaica > 1846 Nova Scotia > 1848 England > 1854 Malta > Then on to the Crimea > The 77th was (the East Middlesex) Regiment of Foot from 1807 > > Wives were taken on the strength and were used abroad to cook, nurse etc > they drew half rations and children quarter rations > > Not all wives went it was often down to a lottery on the quayside (I > suppose > its debatable who won, those that went or those that stayed) around one in > twelve wives went on the strength > > I have never heard of any passenger lists as such for troops coming or > going > > I would take a look at the research guides on the National Archives under > British Army with a view to tracing any records for your man > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > >> Question: As a soldier what was the regiment doing in Jamaica, probably >> between 1820 and 1845 or so? If it was a fighting unit, why did the wife >> go to live there and subsequently give birth? I doubt whether he was an >> officer although it appears he was a career soldier. >> Did they return from the West Indies or go on somewhere else? With >> military movements were there Passenger Records of the ships? >> Also, John, the son, returned home on a ship, Both sons were always >> employed as Cotton Weavers. >> >> Any suggestions about this period? They were at the tail end of slavery >> in the West Indies at this time, but a lot of unrest I assume. >> >> Thanks. Jill T. > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Jill, With a surname like McBain you might like to check Inverness/Nairn as a possible place of origin for his parents. Mark -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 12 January 2010 22:54 To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] McBain - Soldier Hi Jill Regiments went where they were sent The movements of the 77th are given as 1820 England 1823 Ireland 1824 Jamaica 1834 England 1834 Ireland 1837 Malta 1842 Ionian Islands: Corfu 1843 Jamaica 1846 Nova Scotia 1848 England 1854 Malta Then on to the Crimea The 77th was (the East Middlesex) Regiment of Foot from 1807 Wives were taken on the strength and were used abroad to cook, nurse etc they drew half rations and children quarter rations Not all wives went it was often down to a lottery on the quayside (I suppose its debatable who won, those that went or those that stayed) around one in twelve wives went on the strength I have never heard of any passenger lists as such for troops coming or going I would take a look at the research guides on the National Archives under British Army with a view to tracing any records for your man http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Question: As a soldier what was the regiment doing in Jamaica, probably > between 1820 and 1845 or so? If it was a fighting unit, why did the wife > go to live there and subsequently give birth? I doubt whether he was an > officer although it appears he was a career soldier. > Did they return from the West Indies or go on somewhere else? With > military movements were there Passenger Records of the ships? > Also, John, the son, returned home on a ship, Both sons were always > employed as Cotton Weavers. > > Any suggestions about this period? They were at the tail end of slavery > in the West Indies at this time, but a lot of unrest I assume. > > Thanks. Jill T. ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jill Regiments went where they were sent The movements of the 77th are given as 1820 England 1823 Ireland 1824 Jamaica 1834 England 1834 Ireland 1837 Malta 1842 Ionian Islands: Corfu 1843 Jamaica 1846 Nova Scotia 1848 England 1854 Malta Then on to the Crimea The 77th was (the East Middlesex) Regiment of Foot from 1807 Wives were taken on the strength and were used abroad to cook, nurse etc they drew half rations and children quarter rations Not all wives went it was often down to a lottery on the quayside (I suppose its debatable who won, those that went or those that stayed) around one in twelve wives went on the strength I have never heard of any passenger lists as such for troops coming or going I would take a look at the research guides on the National Archives under British Army with a view to tracing any records for your man http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Question: As a soldier what was the regiment doing in Jamaica, probably > between 1820 and 1845 or so? If it was a fighting unit, why did the wife > go to live there and subsequently give birth? I doubt whether he was an > officer although it appears he was a career soldier. > Did they return from the West Indies or go on somewhere else? With > military movements were there Passenger Records of the ships? > Also, John, the son, returned home on a ship, Both sons were always > employed as Cotton Weavers. > > Any suggestions about this period? They were at the tail end of slavery > in the West Indies at this time, but a lot of unrest I assume. > > Thanks. Jill T.

Jill, Can't find any BMD data but did pick up the 61 census info on son John, it would appear that Alexander was not living in the Glasgow area during this census. The actual document is available via Scotlands People. MCBAIN JOHN 28 WEST INDIES 649 17 31 22 761032 Lanarkshire MCBAIN JANE 28 LKS LESMAHAGOW 649 17 31 23 761033 Lanarkshire MCBAIN GEORGE 8 LKS LESMAHAGOW 649 17 31 24 761034 Lanarkshire MCBAIN MARGARET 6 LKS LESMAHAGOW 649 17 31 25 761035 Lanarkshire MCBAIN HELEN 4 LKS LESMAHAGOW 649 17 32 1 761036 Lanarkshire MCBAIN JOHN 2 LKS LESMAHAGOW 649 17 32 2 761037 Lanarkshire MCBAIN WILLIAM 1 LKS LESMAHAGOW 649 17 32 3 761038 Lanarkshire Bob Cdn =========================== On 12/01/2010 2:22 PM, Jill A. Thompson wrote: <SNIP>...This one relates to Alexander McBain, married in Glasgow 1818 to Catherine Leslie. Occupation listed there was Soldier in 77th Regiment Two Known sons: Alexander McBain, b.1819 Glasgow. Married in Lanark in 1841. to Janet Wilson. John McBain, b.1833 West Indies (Jamaica) as British Subject John appears in Scotland living with brother in 1851 census in Lesmahagow. He married Jane Dickson there in1854 and remained there till Death in 1890.Father, Alexander Mcbain, is listed on Death Certificate as deceased, with Soldier repeated as occupation.... ===================

This is my first attempt to get help over several Lanark queries. This one relates to Alexander McBain, married in Glasgow 1818 to Catherine Leslie. Occupation listed there was Soldier in 77th Regiment Two Known sons: Alexander McBain, b.1819 Glasgow. Married in Lanark in 1841. to Janet Wilson. John McBain, b.1833 West Indies (Jamaica) as British Subject John appears in Scotland living with brother in 1851 census in Lesmahagow. He married Jane Dickson there in1854 and remained there till Death in 1890. Father, Alexander Mcbain, is listed on Death Certificate as deceased, with Soldier repeated as occupation. Have not found a trace yet of these parents in Scotland or the 77th Regiment. Question: As a soldier what was the regiment doing in Jamaica, probably between 1820 and 1845 or so? If it was a fighting unit, why did the wife go to live there and subsequently give birth? I doubt whether he was an officer although it appears he was a career soldier. Did they return from the West Indies or go on somewhere else? With military movements were there Passenger Records of the ships? Also, John, the son, returned home on a ship, Both sons were always employed as Cotton Weavers. Any suggestions about this period? They were at the tail end of slavery in the West Indies at this time, but a lot of unrest I assume. Thanks. Jill T. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 287 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

G'day Jen, re the Tattoo unfortunately my missus is getting further incapacitated as she gets older and therefore our travelling days are gone, so we can't be there. Thanks to all the advice I have received from the list and my Dictionary gazing, Google searching etc. you may all now relax as it seems to me that it largely depended on those wonderful Record Clerks of yesteryear and their interpretation of what they were told. The term Collier and Coalier , Coal Hewer,seem to be interchangeable around the world even Cornwall. So before our list Administrator gets off his/her bike I would like to close the subject on the list. Please, if anyone has anything else to offer contact me off list. Col

Hi Col, A coal hewer is the man who is actually at the coal face chipping away at the seam. A collier / coal miner - general term for miners. The first URL is for the Durham mining site which is very informative http://www.dmm.org.uk/educate/mineocc.htm This is the Scottish mining website which gives a great deal of info on the different mines in Scotland. http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/3.html Regards Jenny PS you coming down to Sydney for the Edinburgh Tattoo in February?