Hi all Can't remember which list I saw this name on! So - trawling thourgh to find some deaths on Find my past I came across what may be an very odd mis-spelling of the above. McMucmunemy!!!!! an Andrew registered Portsea I, Volume 7 Page 107. So if you have lost one and can't find him may be a possibility. Mike

Hi listers This is sad news, I remember Christine being an excellent administrator of the list particularly helpful when I was a newbie. My condolences to her family. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> To: "Lanark List Posting" <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: [Lanark] Some sad news > As many of you know, Christine Joudrey, the former Admin of this list, > has > been someone that I considered a close friend for a good many years now. > After not hearing from here for many months despite many messages and > letters to her, I finally telephone her home and found out some sad news. > Christine had a heart condition, and her husband informed me she passed > away > in March of this year after a long struggle. Christine was a good friend, > and she will be missed. I am posting this here because I thought you > would > want to know. > > > > > David E. Cann > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com > Admin of the Lanarkshire, Scotland > mailing list on RootsWeb > > List information: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again This made me realise how important it is to document even present day events. My father was illegitimate, my parents separated when I was 3 (now 66) and I was adopted by my father's mother and his step-father when I was 8. I therefore have a different surname from my father and cannot get access to his army records as this makes me no longer a close enough relative let alone next of kin. As a further confusion, I took a DNA test to try to sort out in the vain hope of tracing my father's line in case some other Ainsworths had taken the test. I recently was contacted by someone with a similar surname to my adopted name becasue my DNA is a very close match to theirs!! Go figure!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] A name conundrum > For whatever it might be worth (probably not much), one thing I have > learned > in doing genealogy research for more than two decades is that you can ill > afford to take facts and details for granted. I have a good friend who > lost > both parents in an auto accident as a very young child, and it almost took > his life as well. He was raised by his maternal grandparents, who legally > adopted him just to make everything official, and to this day the names in > most of his school and other records for "parents" is different than > surname > because they are actually his maternal grandparents. > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I was talking to someone who worked on the Wills and Testaments project for ScotlandsPeople. She said that there was a lot of inconsistency in the spelling of surnames. In one document the surname of one person was spelled three different ways. The person who wrote the document was a solicitor's clerk, so I suspect that in the days when all these documents were hand written, exact spelling was not considered important. Iain McKenzie Glasgow

Aye, my condolences to her family. We miss her and the relaxed atmosphere that was once here. Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dowding" <jd012o2100@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Some sad news > Hi listers > This is sad news, I remember Christine being an excellent administrator of > the list particularly helpful when I was a newbie. My condolences to her > family. > Mike

Hi Ian, I missed your original question, but I can offer a brief story from my research in Massachusetts. The lady who adopted my grandmother when she was just turning 3 (1892) was Mrs. Mary Anna ("Molly") (CLARK) DEXTER.* Molly then died in 1899 and I was able to look at her death record. It listed her parents as James CLARK and Lavair. I had initially "assumed" that the couple was James and Lavair CLARK. Wrong. I found another lady researching that family, and she told me that Molly's mother's full name was Mrs. Rhoda (MANCHESTER) (LAVARE) CLARK. She had had a first marriage to Epaphroditis LAVARE. :o) (By the way, James married Rhoda, fathered his daughter, and then "left town." He got on a ship in 1844 which was heading out to the Indian Ocean and "deserted" in 1845 in NSW, Australia, presumably never to be seen again.) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (Researching HANNAH / RITCHIE couple who married in Glasgow in Dec. 1854/Jan. 1855. Information is in archives of this List; I've posted about them many times.) * I believe that John and Mary DEXTER were the maternal grandparents of my grandmother. I believe their married daughter had a pregnancy outside of her marriage during the "summer of 1888" - and that fact is a "family secret" - to this day. My grandmother's reported birth-name was Daisy WATROUS, and it was changed at her adoption to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Mair" <r.i.mair@bigpond.net.au> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] A name conundrum > Hello Listers > > Thank you all for the time taken to offer some insights into my "name > puzzle". Hidden in the comments made were some useful hints on avenues to > follow to resolve my dilemma. Unfortunately none of them has provided a > breakthrough as yet but they have helped to eliminate some possibilities. > The personal experiences related highlight how much art is still a part of > what we would hope to be an "exact science"! > > Cheers > Ian Mair > Melbourne, Australia > > >

Hi Ian, Just to add to the confusion. When one of my grandfathers died in 1916 his wife registered his death. In the space for parents was the helpful statement 'no information given'. But, like another lister, I have also come across grandparents being listed as the parents of the deceased. Janet

hi and god bless to her husband a family and may she rest in peace Mary Mc farlane ======================================== Message Received: Aug 05 2010, 11:48 PM From: "David E. Cann" To: "Lanark List Posting" Cc: Subject: [Lanark] Some sad news As many of you know, Christine Joudrey, the former Admin of this list, has been someone that I considered a close friend for a good many years now. After not hearing from here for many months despite many messages and letters to her, I finally telephone her home and found out some sad news. Christine had a heart condition, and her husband informed me she passed away in March of this year after a long struggle. Christine was a good friend, and she will be missed. I am posting this here because I thought you would want to know. David E. Cann lanark-admin@rootsweb.com Admin of the Lanarkshire, Scotland mailing list on RootsWeb List information: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For whatever it might be worth (probably not much), one thing I have learned in doing genealogy research for more than two decades is that you can ill afford to take facts and details for granted. I have a good friend who lost both parents in an auto accident as a very young child, and it almost took his life as well. He was raised by his maternal grandparents, who legally adopted him just to make everything official, and to this day the names in most of his school and other records for "parents" is different than surname because they are actually his maternal grandparents. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Smith Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:30 PM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] A name conundrum Hi Ian, Just to add to the confusion. When one of my grandfathers died in 1916 his wife registered his death. In the space for parents was the helpful statement 'no information given'. But, like another lister, I have also come across grandparents being listed as the parents of the deceased. Janet <snip>

Hello List I have a perplexing conundrum! My 2x great grandmother, Margaret Thomson (b.abt 1827 in West Calder) married John Weir (b 21 June 1829 in Whitburn). Her death record of 1907 lists her parents (my 3x great grandparents) as Thomas Thomson and Barbara Thomson (nee McLean). There is a marriage bann listed in the OPRs for West Calder between Thomas Thomson and Barbara McLean. The 1841 census records a Thomas Thomson living in West Lothian with wife Barbara and sons James (b1829), Thomas (b.abt 1933) and William (b.abt 1839). My 2x great grandmother who would have been about 14-15 years is presumably not at home. There is a record for a Margaret Thomson, 15 years, working as a FS at Braehead, Whitburn Parish, which seems close enough to the family home to be a possibility. The 1851 census records a Barbara Thomson living in Whitburn Parish, West Lothian with sons James, Thomas and William and daughter Jane (b.abt 1842). The 1861 census records Barbara Thomson living in Whitburn Parish, West Lothian with sons Thomas and William, daughters Jane and granddaughter Catherine. And so on ..... Now the conundrum!! As stated above the death record for daughter Margaret Thomson records her mother's maiden name as McLean, as does her mother's marriage bann. The apparent death record for son James Thomson records his mother's maiden name as Clelland. All other details match what would be expected. There is also an OPR birth record in Whitburn Parish for a James Thomson with mother's maiden name of Clelland. The apparent death record for son Thomas Thomson records his mother's maiden name as Clelland. The informant was his brother James Thomson. The apparent death record for son William Thomson records his mother's maiden name as McLean. The apparent death record for daughter Jane Thomson records her mother's maiden name as McLean. The death record for Barbara Thomson witnessed by her son Thomas Thomson lists her maiden name as Clelland. There is no matching record in Scotland's People or Family Search for a marriage between a Thomas Thomson and a Barbara Clelland. There is no record to indicate that Barbara Thomson (nee McLean) re-married after her husband Thomas Thomson's death, apparently sometime between 1841 and 1851. I have checked for a Barbara Thomson or a Barbara McLean marrying a Clelland. I have probably left out some important detail, however, the question is, are Barbara McLean and Barbara Clelland the same person and what explanation could there be for the name change? Could it be that some of the children (notably James and Thomas) just had Barbara Thomson's maiden name wrong and it was recorded incorrectly in the death records of Barbara Thomson and her sons James and Thomas? Did the registrar of the birth of James Thomson get the mother's maiden name wrong and recorded Clelland instead of McLean which caused the confusion? I have not found any OPR record of the birth on any of the siblings of James. The presumption from the available information is that Barbara McLean and Barbara Clelland are the same person, but is this justifiable? Any thoughts, insights or challenges would be appreciated. Ian Mair Melbourne, Australia

Condolences to you and her family David, and prayers for Christine. Jeanne

Our Condolences to Christines family from all of us that felt we were her friends too. Kaye David E. Cann lanark-admin@rootsweb.com Admin of the Lanarkshire, Scotland mailing list on RootsWeb List information: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Those of us who have been on the Lanark list for more years than we care to count remember with pleasure Christine Joudrey's tenure as list administrator. Christine had an easygoing way with her, and would share little stories with me offline about her Scottish-born father's favourite words to describe a "crabbit" old woman as a cailleach, as an example, but I can't remember the spelling Christine used. I had many a chuckle as her father was of an older generation who remembered old expressions and words. I was always impressed with how Christine took care of him for many years in her home . Christine encouraged "narrative" posts which could be more enlightening at times than the basic data of barebones of births/deaths/marriages. We count Christine among those who made the Lanark list informative and educational, whilst we still continue to miss the outstanding posts submitted by John Duncan. We have the Lanark archives for reference, however. We extend our condolences to Christine's family. Now she is at rest after too many years of poor health. Maisie

As many of you know, Christine Joudrey, the former Admin of this list, has been someone that I considered a close friend for a good many years now. After not hearing from here for many months despite many messages and letters to her, I finally telephone her home and found out some sad news. Christine had a heart condition, and her husband informed me she passed away in March of this year after a long struggle. Christine was a good friend, and she will be missed. I am posting this here because I thought you would want to know. David E. Cann lanark-admin@rootsweb.com Admin of the Lanarkshire, Scotland mailing list on RootsWeb List information: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html

Hi Ian I had a very similar conundrum with one of my rellies, although a bit later so was able to sort it out (I think!!). On the death certificates of 4 out of 5 of her children her maiden name was given as Gibb however when I got her marriage certificate her name was given as Watson! The trouble is that the informant on death certificates may not have the correct information so can only give what they believe to be true.I presume that she knew her maiden name for the marriage! It eventually turned out the her grandfather was Gibb. To make matters worse her husband claimed to have his Burgess certificate from his father in law John Gibb! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Mair" <r.i.mair@bigpond.net.au> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: [Lanark] A name conundrum > As stated above the death record for daughter Margaret Thomson records her > mother's maiden name as McLean, as does her mother's marriage bann. > The apparent death record for son James Thomson records his mother's > maiden > name as Clelland. All other details match what would be expected. There is > also an OPR birth record in Whitburn Parish for a James Thomson with > mother's maiden name of Clelland. > The apparent death record for son Thomas Thomson records his mother's > maiden > name as Clelland. The informant was his brother James Thomson. > The apparent death record for son William Thomson records his mother's > maiden name as McLean. > The apparent death record for daughter Jane Thomson records her mother's > maiden name as McLean. > > The death record for Barbara Thomson witnessed by her son Thomas Thomson > lists her maiden name as Clelland. > > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at > lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information > on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to > help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link > to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Frank No need to be worried about posting , it is our list after all And there is no need to change the subject line Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi: I am almost afraid to respond to this message. Am I supposed to > change > the subject line? Why? In any event I want to thank Mr./Mrs/Ms Russell for > the wonderful history. It does not mean anything to my family tree but it > was a wonderful message that we need more of on this mail list. I almost > wish my ancestors were from Kaiment or Carnwath so I could include it in > my > Genealogy. > > Thank you again. > > Frank Easton > Sherwood Park Alberta.

Hi and thanks Nivard. Frank -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:11 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Kaimend & Carnwath Hi Frank No need to be worried about posting , it is our list after all And there is no need to change the subject line Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I have a Hugh Mair Sloan Paton married to Lilias McKervail McKay married 1902 in Lanark. I have knowledge of them having 5 children.Thomas, Janet Lilly Paton, born 1903, George born 1908, Lilias McKervail McKay born 1918 & Hugh Sloan Mair born 1920. Does anyone have a connection to these paton's & McKay's? Valerie

On the 1871 Scotland Lanarkshire, Glasgow/Maryhill Census, I have Bridget QUEEN b Ireland 1827 with her brother John QUEEN b 1828 Ireland living at #16 Society Row. On that same census, Richard SCANLAN b 1846 Ireland & wife Mary SCANLAN b 1844 Glasgow,Lanarkshire living at #16 Society Row. I have a Marriage Records (Civil & Church 1869 District of Milton, Glasgow) for my GGG, Edward SCANLON living at #16 Society Row & Mary QUIN living at #14 Society Row. Edward father's name is Edward SCANLON deceased & mother is Catherine SCANLON (nee CASSIDY) deceased Information for Maryann QUIN father's name is Peter QUIN deceased & mother is Catherine MCGINN deceased. On birth record for Peter SCANLON b 1872 District of Milton, Glasgow address is 16 Society Row, Glasgow, father Edward SCANLON & mother Maryann Quin SCANLON On the 1861 census list QUIN's living at #14, no SCANLON's . On the 1871 census there are also SCANLAN living at #14 Society Row. I do have a marriage record for Peter QUIN & Catherine MCGINN 1827 in Glasgow. I have never been able to find Edward SCANLON or Maryann QUIN on census records in Glasgow, only first & last name RICHARD SCANLAN & MARY SCANLAN. I also can't find a birth record for Mary QUIN in Glasgow. All my US records have the correct names & spelling & all the information states Mary QUIN (QUEEN) born 1848 Glasgow & her father was Peter QUIN & mother Catherine MCGINN. Edward left Scotland in May,1873, & Maryann & son Peter joined him in September of that same year. Edward was a coal miner in Pennsylvania then onto Illinois where he died in 1917. I can't understand why the names on the 1871 census in Glasgow is so different, was this common? & would it be safe to assume that Richard SCANLON living at #16 Society Row is actually Edward SCANLON? I have information from Scotland's People on Quin, Queen & Quinn's in Glasgow but nothing to connect Maryann QUIN & her father Peter QUIN or mother Catherine MCGINN. Also nothing on Scanlon's other than the civil/church records in Glasgow & birth record for Peter SCANLON both civil/church. I am very confused. I guess I would like to go ahead & assume that Richard SCANLAN is my Edward SCANLON on the 1871 census. Edward was from Ireland & that is a whole another story............Can anyone give me some advise? Thanks, Gwen

I agree with Frank, I also was tempted to congratulate G. Russel who close near Carnwath Although it doesn't relate to my research, the explanation of the origin of the name, and the description of the area, including some historical references were so beautifully written, I felt that was there.. I also wish there were more pieces like this appearing on the list... Thanks G. Russel Gay. ? In any event I want to thank Mr./Mrs/Ms Russell for > the wonderful history. It does not mean anything to my family tree but it > was a wonderful message that we need more of on this mail list. I almost