I want to thank Don McArthur for sharing his information with me about his Steel interests and especially Charles Houston who most generously broke down several brick walls on my Lanark families in one fell swoop. Heartfelt thanks! Carolyn

Carolyn Do you have any information relating to Bethea WILSON (or Bethia or Bethias) ? I have two, one born (1808) a little late for the Bethea to be married to James STEEL and another b 21 Nov 1796 (Bethias Wilson) Father John Wilson Mother Rebeccah ms Wilson in Rutherglen. Bethia b 1808 had a brother James STEEL WILSON b 1810. Regards Jenny

Many thanks to everybody for answer to my query. Can't think why I did not think of Wikipedia !! Archie Gilbert

Hello Cousin Janet Long time no hear! > In > Australia, it is very often the case that there are honour > boards in local areas, in halls, schools, etc. listing those > who served, and indeed  who made the ultimate sacrifice > in war.  Even in churches there are memorial boards, > listing members who enlisted/served.  I'm wondering > whether this would have happened in Scotland There are rolls of honour for some areas listing all those who fought, not just those who died. I do not know whether such a list exists for Baillieston. The Baillieston Memorial web site seems to list only those who died, as do the Scottish National War Memorial www.snwm.org and the Commonwealth War Graves Commission www.cwgc.org. The most likely place for James Wilson's service records is the National Archives at Kew near London, England www.nationalarchives.gov.uk. There is a guide to military records on the web site. However I understand that some of the WW1 records were accidentally damaged or destroyed and it may be that James Wilson's records are among these. On the other hand, his medal card might have survived, and if so it can be viewed. As you say, the problem is knowing which James Wilson is the right one. You also need to know whether he served in the Army, Navy or Air Force. Have you tried to contact Kirkcaldy Public Library? As you know the date of death, they might be able to find an obituary in a local paper. However I see that I don't have a note of where James lived between his marriage in 1923 and his death, and if he only moved to Kirkcaldy late in life there isn't likely to be an obituary there, and you'd need to look at the paper local to where he did live. There might also be something in the Dundee Courier and Advertiser, or even in The Scotsman, if he actually lived and farmed in Fife. I don't suppose this helps at all, because you've probably been down all these routes before. Best wishes Anne

Hello List, My grandfather's brother, James Wilson, served in the First World War. He was born in 1881 at Baillieston, the son of John Wilson and Henrietta Waddell. A name like James Wilson is somewhat difficult to deal with. In Australia, it is very often the case that there are honour boards in local areas, in halls, schools, etc. listing those who served, and indeed who made the ultimate sacrifice in war. Even in churches there are memorial boards, listing members who enlisted/served. I'm wondering whether this would have happened in Scotland, and in particular in the Baillieston area. The Wilson family lived at 153 Main Road, Baillieston, and on the opposite side of the road there was a church, long gone now. There was at one time an association of the family with the Crosshill Church. I've followed other lines of enquiry to learn something of James Wilson's war service, but all to no avail. I should mention that he did survive the war, and died at Kircaldy in 1949. Any help at all would be most welcome. Regards, Janet Wilson.

> Hi can anyone tell me how I can apply > for a will of Andrew Graham of > Millerstone who died 1902. I cant get it from Scotlands > people as they stop > in 1901. Contact the National Archives of Scotland - see http://www.nas.gov.uk/contact/default.asp and ask them how to get a copy. Anne

Thanks G... Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Russell" <g_g_russell@btinternet.com> To: <lanark@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] OMOA > Hi Rhoda ... > > The houses at Omoa Ironworks ( Omoa Square ) were / are RIGHT beside the > Ironworks - and the east bound railway runs right through the houses ... > > See the OS Maps at the NLS old maps (Ordnance Survey) site > > G Russell

Hi can anyone tell me how I can apply for a will of Andrew Graham of Millerstone who died 1902. I cant get it from Scotlands people as they stop in 1901. Thank you Anne Menadue In South Australia

Hi Jeanne It can be frustrating! I have an ancestor John Weir (b1778, West Lothian) married to a Elisabeth (Betty, Bethea) Forrest (c1777, Lanarkshire). Elisabeth had 6 children baptised with her name recorded as Betty. Census records shows that she had at least one other child. After cross-referencing birth/baptism records, death records, marriage records and census records and looking for alternative parents I concluded that three children baptised to a Mary Forrest were actually the children of Elisabeth Forrest. Mary Forrest was not an uncommon name in the area. Did someone just get the name wrong on the baptism record (three times!) or was Mary a local usage for Elisabeth/Betty? Or have I just got it wrong? Good luck Ian -----Original Message----- From: lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lanark-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TwoSides22@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 1:34 AM To: lanark@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Lanark] Marriage Banns Thanks Ken and Archie. It's interesting to know how they morphed Agnes into Ann, and that it wasn't done just to confuse me 150 years later. There isn't even a chance the same was done for Elisabeth and Marrion but I'm hoping I'll find it was the same person who chose to use a middle name at some point. I'm trying to resist grinding it to fit even though it sometimes works with crossword puzzles. ;-) Jeanne

Hi Anne Try http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/wills.asp And http://www.nas.gov.uk/doingResearch/remotely.asp To the left of the above screen is a list of agents who may be enlisted (for a fee of course) Last one cost me about £20 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi can anyone tell me how I can apply for a will of Andrew Graham of > Millerstone who died 1902. I cant get it from Scotlands people as they > stop > in 1901. > > Thank you > Anne Menadue > In South Australia

Here's the link for the Baillieston Memorial Website http://www.freewebs.com/gunnerman1632/ Christine > From: janet.wilson@dcsi.net.au > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:45:16 +1000 > Subject: Re: [Lanark] War Memorials - Honour Baords > > Hello List, > > My grandfather's brother, James Wilson, served in the First World War. He was born in 1881 at Baillieston, the son of John Wilson and Henrietta Waddell. A name like James Wilson is somewhat difficult to deal with. In Australia, it is very often the case that there are honour boards in local areas, in halls, schools, etc. listing those who served, and indeed who made the ultimate sacrifice in war. Even in churches there are memorial boards, listing members who enlisted/served. I'm wondering whether this would have happened in Scotland, and in particular in the Baillieston area. The Wilson family lived at 153 Main Road, Baillieston, and on the opposite side of the road there was a church, long gone now. There was at one time an association of the family with the Crosshill Church. > > I've followed other lines of enquiry to learn something of James Wilson's war service, but all to no avail. I should mention that he did survive the war, and died at Kircaldy in 1949. > > Any help at all would be most welcome. > > Regards, > Janet Wilson. > > ------------------------------- > > >

Hi Rhoda ... The houses at Omoa Ironworks ( Omoa Square ) were / are RIGHT beside the Ironworks - and the east bound railway runs right through the houses ... See the OS Maps at the NLS old maps (Ordnance Survey) site G Russell

Hi Judith, Where in PA was G Russell buried ? I have good friends and relatives in the Mount Joy area near Harrisburg ... There are lots of Brownlies(ees) in PA ! BTW : - I have copies of 1858 OS large scale maps of Omoa and Omoa New Town ... do you have any other details ? George Russell Carluke

According to Wikipedia: "1789: Colonel William Dalrymple (the second son of Sir William Dalrymple, third baronet of Cousland, and the nephew of Captain Hew Dalrymple), distinguishes himself by helping to capture both the Fort of San Fernando de Omoa and the port town of Omoa, in Honduras, South America (see William Dalrymple (British Army officer) and Battle of San Fernando de Omoa). 1797–1866: Omoa Iron Works is erected on Cleland estate by Colonel William Dalrymple on returning to civilian life. Colonel Dalrymple’s uncle, Hew, left him the Fordal estate in Mid-Lothian, and Cleland estate in Bothwell and Shotts parishes." > From: agillbert@tiscali.co.uk > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:52:03 +0100 > Subject: [Lanark] OMOA > > All this talk of OMOA has brought to the surface again a question which has been niggling at me for years. Does anyone know the origin of the name ? > > Archie Gilbert > > ------------------------------- >

Would anyone who has access to either the 1891 or 1901 census for the Edinburgh area, kindly do a look up for me I am looking for a Jamisina Murray born 1883. Her parents would be a David Murray and Janet Dickson. Any help greatly appreciated. Mary

On 17-Aug-10, at 1:03 PM, Anne Burgess wrote: >> * Agnes is a >> French-based word. The "g" would be silent (or >> mouthed), similar to the one in "sign". A final "s" >> in French is not >> pronounced. So this name would have been pronounced >> as "Anna". > I don't think so. > > The name Agnes is not, apparently, directly related to French > 'agneau' which means 'lamb'. It is of Greek origin. > > I have two French friends named Agnes. There is a grave accent on > the 'e' which I cannot type here and the stress is on the second > syllable, not the first. Both of them pronounce the final 's', > making the name sound like "ann-YESS" The Agnes I know in Quebec also pronounce the name in this way, the hard "g" sound becomes a "y" sound, something like the middle syllable in the English word "onion." The final "s" is definitely pronounced, and depending on the person's origin, the "s" sometimes sounds like a "z." > > All the various Agneses I know in Scotland pronounce the name as it > is spelled, but with the stress on the first syllable, making it > "AGG-niss" > > In spite of the completely different origins of the names Ann/e/a > and Agnes, they are occasionally used in place of one another. They > share the diminutives Nan and Nancy. See www.whatsinaname.net > > Anne Agree. Carolyn

Thanks for the encouragement Ian. I guess if misery loves company, confusion does too. It's good to know that with some work you were able to straighten out the problem. I have a lot of work to do! Jeanne In a message dated 8/17/2010 7:14:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, r.i.mair@bigpond.net.au writes: Hi Jeanne It can be frustrating!

Hi Archie This is an extract from a Wikipedia entry: "1789: Colonel William Dalrymple (the second son of Sir William Dalrymple, third baronet of Cousland, and the nephew of Captain Hew Dalrymple), distinguishes himself by helping to capture both the Fort of San Fernando de Omoa and the port town of Omoa, in Honduras, South America (see William Dalrymple (British Army officer) and Battle of San Fernando de Omoa). 1797-1866: Omoa Iron Works is erected on Cleland estate by Colonel William Dalrymple on returning to civilian life. Colonel Dalrymple's uncle, Hew, left him the Fordal estate in Mid-Lothian, and Cleland estate in Bothwell and Shotts parishes." Now, I would like to know why people married, gave birth and died at the Omoa Ironworks! Rhoda

>From what has to be one of my favourite sites! "The Omoa Iron Works, erected on Cleland estate by Colonel William Dalrymple, in 1787, derives its name from Omoa in the West Indies. Colonel William Dalrymple was the second son of Sir Wm. Dalrymple, third baronet of Cousland, and distinguished himself at the capture of Omoa, on the Spanish Main, in the West Indies. His uncle, Hew, left him the Fordal estate in Mid-Lothian, and Cleland estate in Bothwell and Shotts parishes. At first there was only one furnace at Omoa, employing about 40 miners, and 40 smelters and other workmen, and 12 horses. The furnace consumed nine tons of calcined ironstone per day, with casts every eighteen hours, yielding about two tons of pig-iron each cast." http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/164.html Dawn > From: agillbert@tiscali.co.uk > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:52:03 +0100 > Subject: [Lanark] OMOA > > All this talk of OMOA has brought to the surface again a question which has been niggling at me for years. Does anyone know the origin of the name ? > > Archie Gilbert > > ------------------------------- > > LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST > > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in its history. > > WHEN REPLYING to any list post please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply > > LIST INFORMATION PAGE: Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com; or to search the list archives, get information on subscribing or unsubscribing, or to obtain other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Things are slow in cyberspace today. A message I sent this morning has just come through. Thanks to everyone who helped. Jeanne In a message dated 8/17/2010 5:49:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cperkes@videotron.ca writes: Resending this message as it has not appeared since I sent it three hours ago.