Hello Leonard It was usual in Scotland for the birth registration to make clear that a child was not 'begotten' by the mother's husband, where that information was provided by the mother. There would, of course, have been numerous occasions when that information was not provided. The discrepancy in the death details for your grandfather is odd. Who is named as the informant on your mother's birth certificate? Rhoda -----Original Message----- From: L&CE Mackrill Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] The Scotsman 1817-1950 Hello Linda, I have recently joined hoping list members may be able to point me in the right direction in possibly finding the name of my maternal grandfather. My mother was the youngest of eleven children. She was illigitimate and her birth certificate states she was born on the 28 May 1921 in the Maternity Hospital, Glasgow. The certificate extracted from the Register of Births for the district of St Rollox in the Burgh of Glasgow. Column 4 of the birth certificate states " Margaret Shaw, widow of William Lawson, mason (Journeyman) who was drowned at Sydney, Australia about 12th October 1918 ( Domicile 84 Great Hamilton Street, Glasgow)". Don't know why the drowning would be put on the certificate as William Lawson, from his death certificate died 12 October 1919 at New Cottages, Kilbirnie, Scotland. Margaret Lawson's age at the time of my mothers birth was 41. She never remarried and emigrated to Australia in 1929 with my mother, another daughter and a son. I don't know if she was baptised and if she was, I presume she would have been at a church close to her place of abode and this church may hold a kirk session record. Would a woman of this age be subject to a kirk session from the church? I would be grateful for any assistance. Regards, Leonard. Australia

Hello Linda, I have recently joined hoping list members may be able to point me in the right direction in possibly finding the name of my maternal grandfather. My mother was the youngest of eleven children. She was illigitimate and her birth certificate states she was born on the 28 May 1921 in the Maternity Hospital, Glasgow. The certificate extracted from the Register of Births for the district of St Rollox in the Burgh of Glasgow. Column 4 of the birth certificate states " Margaret Shaw, widow of William Lawson, mason (Journeyman) who was drowned at Sydney, Australia about 12th October 1918 ( Domicile 84 Great Hamilton Street, Glasgow)". Don't know why the drowning would be put on the certificate as William Lawson, from his death certificate died 12 October 1919 at New Cottages, Kilbirnie, Scotland. Margaret Lawson's age at the time of my mothers birth was 41. She never remarried and emigrated to Australia in 1929 with my mother, another daughter and a son. I don't know if she was baptised and if she was, I presume she would have been at a church close to her place of abode and this church may hold a kirk session record. Would a woman of this age be subject to a kirk session from the church? I would be grateful for any assistance. Regards, Leonard. Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:02 AM Subject: [Lanark] The Scotsman 1817-1950 > Hello everyone > > > > I have access through my library website to the digital archive of The > Scotsman 1817-1950 if anyone wants a lookup (first come, first served!). > It's been particularly helpful to me as it contains information, (births, > deaths, divorces, crimes, etc) from 1910-1950 - a time that is usually very > difficult to research in). > > > > Linda N >

Hello everyone I have access through my library website to the digital archive of The Scotsman 1817-1950 if anyone wants a lookup (first come, first served!). It's been particularly helpful to me as it contains information, (births, deaths, divorces, crimes, etc) from 1910-1950 - a time that is usually very difficult to research in). Linda N

________________________________    Hi Linda, Would it be possible for you to look in The Scotsman to see if there is any information regarding my 4xGreat Grandfather LACHLAN McNEIL. (MACNEIL)  Lachlan died January 5/1836 in Paisley, Scotland.  I have found his name also written as Lauchlan.  He was married to a Margaret Hall on February 20, 1813.  His second marriage was to an Agnes McBride but she later changed to her maiden name after Lachlan died and was known as Annie Brodie. Agnes/Annie and Lachlan had 5 children - all born in Paisley. Any help would greatly be appreciated. Regards Wilma-Canada   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a photo which is thought to be George Russell, b 1848 Omoa, taken about 1872 in Elizabeth PA. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/u/s/Judith-F-Russell/PHOTO/0027photo.html George was the son of George Russell (d ca 1850) and Elizabeth George. He was living with his family in 1851 in Shotts Parish and in 1861 they were in Bothwell, Holytown. By 1880 he was living in Elizabeth PA with his wife Margaret Scougal, whose family was from Peebles. George had some Russell uncles of Bonkle who moved early on to Canada, but he was never there, as far as I can make out. His USA immigration sponsor and business partner was a Harrison. I would guess that George Russell left Lanarkshire about 1870 because of the lure of USA job prospects, but I am curious about what things have been identified as being "push" factors for emigration about that time among other Lanarkshire families. Regards, Judy Russell Bogart, Georgia, USA

In ‘gutting the pit,’ I came across some WWI War Office and Records documents which Lanark lister Sheila Dixon kindly sent to me a few years back. Out of privacy, I have omitted any specific/personal names involved. However, the general content might be of interest to those who have had relatives who fought in WWI. My father served in both the H.L.I. and Labour Corps in France, where he was wounded, and then sent back to the front when his wounds were healed enough. We have copies of my father’s military service from beginning to end from Kew, which survived the Burnt Records, where some of the edges of his army records were singed. A very kind lister on the Wigtown site actually went to Kew to get me the records, but I understand that they are now available online. My father survived fighting in France, and was awarded the Bronze Medal and British Military Medal, but I don’t think he got the Star Medal as he had not fought in France over a specified period. His cousin, John Toall, won the MM and his citation for bravery was included in the daily journal (forgotten the term). Normally, medals and such like are sent to the home address but as I understand it he received his medal on the field. After his death, my aunt donated his medal to the Royal Scots Museum, Edinburgh Castle. ME Maisie --------------------------- Record #1 Effects Form ---No. 45 (W.G.) War Office, Imperial Institute South Kensington, London, S.W. 7, 6th October 1919 E/136924 12 (Accts. 4) Sir, I am directed to acquaint you that the sum of five pounds is due from Army Funds to the estate of the late 10872 Private XX X, 1st Bttn Highland Light Infantry on account of War Gratuity. The Command Paymaster, Eastern Command, Science Museum, Exhibition Road, South Kensington, London, S.W.7, has accordingly been authorized to issue “to you the above amount of which on half is by Scottish Law the property in equal shares of all the late soldiers brothers and Sisters and should be distributed by you accordingly. The share which would have been due to X X becomes your property in consideration of your having paid the funeral expenses.” Should no communication on this subject be received from the Paymaster within the next few days, application for payment should be made to him by letter. I am, Sir, Your obedient Servant, C. Harris, Assistant Financial Secretary. ----------------------------------------- Record #2 Army Form W. 5112 RECORD OFFICE (Oval stamp) LABOUR CORP RECORD OFFICE NOTTINGHAM 17/1/1921 I am directed to transmit the accompanying British War Medal which has been awarded to you in respect of your services with the FORCES IN THE FIELD I am to request that you will be so good as to acknowledge the receipt of the decoration on the attached form, which is to be returned to the above address in the enclosed addressed envelope, which needs no stamp. I am, Your obedient Servant ? FOR COLONEL i/c LABOUR CORPS RECORDS i/c Records. Mr. X. X, Glasgow ---------------------------------------------------------------- Record #3 c122993/10426 Record Office, Hamilton Feby 1921 (Oval stamp) INFANTRY RECORD OFFICE, HAMILTON 9 FEB 1921 Madam, I am directed to transmit to you the accompanying BRONZE STAR, 1914-15, which would have been conferred upon No. 10872. Pte X. S. D. HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY, had he lived, in memory of his services with the British Forces during the Great War. In forwarding the Decoration I am commanded by the King to assure you of His Majesty’s high appreciation for the services rendered. I am to request that you will be so good as to acknowledge the receipt of the Decoration on the attached form. I am, Your obedient Servant, S. Whitaker, Lt. for Lieut Col. i/cRecords Mrs. X. X. XX John St., Bridgeton, Glasgow

Hi Rod, Just to add to Don's reply which looks very good indeed for you! 1861 census. 572. ED 18. p 1. Neilston or Barrhead Quoad Sacra. Address: Brysons Land, Neilston: Renfrewshire. PEACOCK, John, Head, 83, Wool & Cotton HLW, b Kilbarchan, Renfrews. PEACOCK, Margaret, Wife Marrd 73, ---------b Neilston, Renfrewshire PEACOCK, John, Son U/m 33, Block Printer, b Neilston, Renfrewshire 1871 census. 572. ED 7. p 20. Neilston, Barrhead. Address: Main Street, Neilston: Renfrewshire PEACOCK, John Head Marrd, 93, Weaver (Worsted) b Kilbarchan, Renfrews. PEACOCK, Margaret, Swan Wife Marrd, 84, b Neilston, Renfrewshire. John and Margaret certainly lived to a very good age for these hard times. There is a death for a John Peacock (96) in Barrhead 1873. Jack

Hi Rod, I'd a look forward to the 1871 & 1881 censuses. The maiden surname of Elizabeth appears to be FISHER. Christened 23 Aug 1835, Lanark. Her parents George FISHER & Margaret SWAN. She married Andrew BEATSON on 14 April 1858 at Lanark. 1871 census. 648. ED 5. p 24. Lanark, Lanarkshire. Address: 50, High Street, Lanark. BEATSON, Elizabeth, Head, Marrd 35, ------b Lanark, Lanarkshire BEATSON, William, Son 12, Scholar, b Glasgow, Lanarkshire BEATSON, George, Son 10, Scholar, b Glasgow, Lanarkshire BEATSON, David, Son 8, Scholar, b Glasgow, Lanarkshire BEATSON, Margaret S, Daur, 5, ---b Glasgow, Lanarkshire 1881 census. 646-2. ED 27. p 4. Govan - Partick. Address: 41, Janefield Terrace, Smith Street. BEATSON, Andrew, Head, Marrd 49, Stone Mason b Dunfermline, Fifes. BEATSON, Elizabeth, Wife, Marrd 45, ------b Lanark, Lanarkshire BEATSON, William A, Son, U/m 22, Bank Teller b Glasgow, Lanarkshire BEATSON, George, F Son, U/m 20, Stone Mason b Glasgow, Lanarkshire BEATSON, David, Son, U/m 18, Student (Arts) b Glasgow, Lanarkshire FISHER, Margaret, Sister-In-Law, U/m 60, Domestic Servant, b Lanark. It looks like Margaret SWAN (57) in 1861 is using her maiden name. So unfortunately not your Margaret PEACOCK. But best to check what I've said in case I'm wrong! Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod Fleck To: LANARK-D Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Hello listers. So, my Ancestry.com pinged me about this census listing being a possible match for my Margaret, born Peacock, Swan. In looking at it.there is a very good possibility that it could be her living with her daughter Elizabeth Swan born in 1837 in Cambusnethan. In addition, one of her daughters married a Reid.so.again very likely her. BUT, I cannot seem to find a marriage entry for a Swan and Beatson to prove this. Years ago, as we could not locate Margaret's death date in the old printed indexes, it was presumed she died before 1856. If this is in fact her, well then I have someone else to look for! Any suggestions? Rod Fleck Forks, Wa 1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Swan Name: Margaret Swan Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relationship: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Lanark, Lanarkshire Registration number: 644/7 Registration District: Milton Civil Parish: Glasgow St George County: Lanarkshire Address: 43 Garscube Road Andrew Beatson 29 Elizabeth F Beatson 25 William Beatson 2 George F Beatson 6 Mo Margaret Swan 57 William Cumming 28 George Turnbull 19 David Turnbull 17 Elizabeth Reid 17 Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow St George; ED: 53; Page: 3; Line: 7; Roll: -------------

Rod, I looked up this family in the 1841 & 1851 census for Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire (the place of birth for their children) on freecen.org.uk I can't copy/paste it here because it will not retain its formatting. The census shows that Margaret Peacock (listed with her maiden name) was alive in 1841. She had her last child, Jean, in 1842. I would assume she died between then and 1848 as William was remarried to a Margaret Jean (maiden name unknown by me) who was born in Ireland. They had a son, Thomas abt 1848. On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Rod Fleck <[email protected]> wrote: > Don, and listers, here is the quick transcription. > > R > > 30th Oct 1830 that William Swan Ploughman Parish of Mid Calder and Margaret > Peacock, residing at Bridgon [sp?] in this Parish daughter of the late > Robert Peacock collier Parish of Dalkeith have entered their names for > marriage and after being regularly banns claimed and no objection offered > they were married before witnesses 23 Nov 1830 > >

So is this the one you seek? 23/11/1830 SWAN WILLIAM MARGARET PEACOCK/FR2580 (FR2580) M LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 693/00 0080 039 Don -----Original Message----- From: Rod Fleck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:53 PM To: [email protected]; 'LANARK-D' Subject: RE: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Well, I spent some time and funds looking at this one, and sorry to say, I am not certain it is her...My Margaret Peacock was the daughter of Robert Peacock and Margaret Renwick, allegedly. And she then married William Swan. Here we have a Margaret Peacock that descended from a Robert Swan and Margaret Lockhead. Ok, will keep looking - thanks Don for the assist, you are still AWESOME in my book. Rod -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:15 PM To: 'Rod Fleck'; 'LANARK-D' Subject: RE: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Rod, I'll ping you one better. Death 1877 SWAN MARGARET PEACOCK F 90 BARRHEAD /RENFREW 572/02 0049 Informant was John Peacock, son You can acquire a copy from Scotland's people for a small fee http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Fleck Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:09 PM To: LANARK-D Subject: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Hello listers. So, my Ancestry.com pinged me about this census listing being a possible match for my Margaret, born Peacock, Swan. In looking at it.there is a very good possibility that it could be her living with her daughter Elizabeth Swan born in 1837 in Cambusnethan. In addition, one of her daughters married a Reid.so.again very likely her. BUT, I cannot seem to find a marriage entry for a Swan and Beatson to prove this. Years ago, as we could not locate Margaret's death date in the old printed indexes, it was presumed she died before 1856. If this is in fact her, well then I have someone else to look for! Any suggestions? Rod Fleck Forks, Wa 1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Swan Name: Margaret Swan Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relationship: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Lanark, Lanarkshire Registration number: 644/7 Registration District: Milton Civil Parish: Glasgow St George County: Lanarkshire Address: 43 Garscube Road ED: 53 Household Schedule Number: 14 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_107 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Beatson 29 Elizabeth F Beatson 25 William Beatson 2 George F Beatson 6 Mo Margaret Swan 57 William Cumming 28 George Turnbull 19 David Turnbull 17 Elizabeth Reid 17 Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection. up arrow Attach this record to Margaret Peacock You can attach this record to Margaret Peacock and merge the record data into your tree. Select "Ignore this record" to exclude this record from future searches for Margaret Peacock. or in future searches for Margaret Peacock Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow St George; ED: 53; Page: 3; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1861_107. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1861 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. Original data: Scotland. 1861 Scotland Census. Reels 1-150. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. Description: ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6550 - Release Date: 08/04/13

Rod, I'll ping you one better. Death 1877 SWAN MARGARET PEACOCK F 90 BARRHEAD /RENFREW 572/02 0049 Informant was John Peacock, son You can acquire a copy from Scotland's people for a small fee http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Fleck Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:09 PM To: LANARK-D Subject: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Hello listers. So, my Ancestry.com pinged me about this census listing being a possible match for my Margaret, born Peacock, Swan. In looking at it.there is a very good possibility that it could be her living with her daughter Elizabeth Swan born in 1837 in Cambusnethan. In addition, one of her daughters married a Reid.so.again very likely her. BUT, I cannot seem to find a marriage entry for a Swan and Beatson to prove this. Years ago, as we could not locate Margaret's death date in the old printed indexes, it was presumed she died before 1856. If this is in fact her, well then I have someone else to look for! Any suggestions? Rod Fleck Forks, Wa 1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Swan Name: Margaret Swan Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relationship: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Lanark, Lanarkshire Registration number: 644/7 Registration District: Milton Civil Parish: Glasgow St George County: Lanarkshire Address: 43 Garscube Road ED: 53 Household Schedule Number: 14 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_107 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Beatson 29 Elizabeth F Beatson 25 William Beatson 2 George F Beatson 6 Mo Margaret Swan 57 William Cumming 28 George Turnbull 19 David Turnbull 17 Elizabeth Reid 17 Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection. up arrow Attach this record to Margaret Peacock You can attach this record to Margaret Peacock and merge the record data into your tree. Select "Ignore this record" to exclude this record from future searches for Margaret Peacock. or in future searches for Margaret Peacock Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow St George; ED: 53; Page: 3; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1861_107. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1861 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. Original data: Scotland. 1861 Scotland Census. Reels 1-150. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. Description: ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, and listers, here is the quick transcription. R 30th Oct 1830 that William Swan Ploughman Parish of Mid Calder and Margaret Peacock, residing at Bridgon [sp?] in this Parish daughter of the late Robert Peacock collier Parish of Dalkeith have entered their names for marriage and after being regularly banns claimed and no objection offered they were married before witnesses 23 Nov 1830 -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 2:14 PM To: 'Rod Fleck'; 'LANARK-D' Subject: RE: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint So is this the one you seek? 23/11/1830 SWAN WILLIAM MARGARET PEACOCK/FR2580 (FR2580) M LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 693/00 0080 039 Don -----Original Message----- From: Rod Fleck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:53 PM To: [email protected]; 'LANARK-D' Subject: RE: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Well, I spent some time and funds looking at this one, and sorry to say, I am not certain it is her...My Margaret Peacock was the daughter of Robert Peacock and Margaret Renwick, allegedly. And she then married William Swan. Here we have a Margaret Peacock that descended from a Robert Swan and Margaret Lockhead. Ok, will keep looking - thanks Don for the assist, you are still AWESOME in my book. Rod -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:15 PM To: 'Rod Fleck'; 'LANARK-D' Subject: RE: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Rod, I'll ping you one better. Death 1877 SWAN MARGARET PEACOCK F 90 BARRHEAD /RENFREW 572/02 0049 Informant was John Peacock, son You can acquire a copy from Scotland's people for a small fee http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Fleck Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:09 PM To: LANARK-D Subject: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Hello listers. So, my Ancestry.com pinged me about this census listing being a possible match for my Margaret, born Peacock, Swan. In looking at it.there is a very good possibility that it could be her living with her daughter Elizabeth Swan born in 1837 in Cambusnethan. In addition, one of her daughters married a Reid.so.again very likely her. BUT, I cannot seem to find a marriage entry for a Swan and Beatson to prove this. Years ago, as we could not locate Margaret's death date in the old printed indexes, it was presumed she died before 1856. If this is in fact her, well then I have someone else to look for! Any suggestions? Rod Fleck Forks, Wa 1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Swan Name: Margaret Swan Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relationship: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Lanark, Lanarkshire Registration number: 644/7 Registration District: Milton Civil Parish: Glasgow St George County: Lanarkshire Address: 43 Garscube Road ED: 53 Household Schedule Number: 14 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_107 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Beatson 29 Elizabeth F Beatson 25 William Beatson 2 George F Beatson 6 Mo Margaret Swan 57 William Cumming 28 George Turnbull 19 David Turnbull 17 Elizabeth Reid 17 Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection. up arrow Attach this record to Margaret Peacock You can attach this record to Margaret Peacock and merge the record data into your tree. Select "Ignore this record" to exclude this record from future searches for Margaret Peacock. or in future searches for Margaret Peacock Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow St George; ED: 53; Page: 3; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1861_107. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1861 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. Original data: Scotland. 1861 Scotland Census. Reels 1-150. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. Description: ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Well, I spent some time and funds looking at this one, and sorry to say, I am not certain it is her...My Margaret Peacock was the daughter of Robert Peacock and Margaret Renwick, allegedly. And she then married William Swan. Here we have a Margaret Peacock that descended from a Robert Swan and Margaret Lockhead. Ok, will keep looking - thanks Don for the assist, you are still AWESOME in my book. Rod -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:15 PM To: 'Rod Fleck'; 'LANARK-D' Subject: RE: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Rod, I'll ping you one better. Death 1877 SWAN MARGARET PEACOCK F 90 BARRHEAD /RENFREW 572/02 0049 Informant was John Peacock, son You can acquire a copy from Scotland's people for a small fee http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Fleck Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:09 PM To: LANARK-D Subject: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Hello listers. So, my Ancestry.com pinged me about this census listing being a possible match for my Margaret, born Peacock, Swan. In looking at it.there is a very good possibility that it could be her living with her daughter Elizabeth Swan born in 1837 in Cambusnethan. In addition, one of her daughters married a Reid.so.again very likely her. BUT, I cannot seem to find a marriage entry for a Swan and Beatson to prove this. Years ago, as we could not locate Margaret's death date in the old printed indexes, it was presumed she died before 1856. If this is in fact her, well then I have someone else to look for! Any suggestions? Rod Fleck Forks, Wa 1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Swan Name: Margaret Swan Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relationship: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Lanark, Lanarkshire Registration number: 644/7 Registration District: Milton Civil Parish: Glasgow St George County: Lanarkshire Address: 43 Garscube Road ED: 53 Household Schedule Number: 14 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_107 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Beatson 29 Elizabeth F Beatson 25 William Beatson 2 George F Beatson 6 Mo Margaret Swan 57 William Cumming 28 George Turnbull 19 David Turnbull 17 Elizabeth Reid 17 Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection. up arrow Attach this record to Margaret Peacock You can attach this record to Margaret Peacock and merge the record data into your tree. Select "Ignore this record" to exclude this record from future searches for Margaret Peacock. or in future searches for Margaret Peacock Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow St George; ED: 53; Page: 3; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1861_107. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1861 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. Original data: Scotland. 1861 Scotland Census. Reels 1-150. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. Description: ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6550 - Release Date: 08/04/13

Don, YOU ARE AWESOME!!! Love it. Thank you. Rod -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:15 PM To: 'Rod Fleck'; 'LANARK-D' Subject: RE: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Rod, I'll ping you one better. Death 1877 SWAN MARGARET PEACOCK F 90 BARRHEAD /RENFREW 572/02 0049 Informant was John Peacock, son You can acquire a copy from Scotland's people for a small fee http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Fleck Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:09 PM To: LANARK-D Subject: [Lanark] Swan and Beatson - 1861 census hint Hello listers. So, my Ancestry.com pinged me about this census listing being a possible match for my Margaret, born Peacock, Swan. In looking at it.there is a very good possibility that it could be her living with her daughter Elizabeth Swan born in 1837 in Cambusnethan. In addition, one of her daughters married a Reid.so.again very likely her. BUT, I cannot seem to find a marriage entry for a Swan and Beatson to prove this. Years ago, as we could not locate Margaret's death date in the old printed indexes, it was presumed she died before 1856. If this is in fact her, well then I have someone else to look for! Any suggestions? Rod Fleck Forks, Wa 1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Swan Name: Margaret Swan Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relationship: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Lanark, Lanarkshire Registration number: 644/7 Registration District: Milton Civil Parish: Glasgow St George County: Lanarkshire Address: 43 Garscube Road ED: 53 Household Schedule Number: 14 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_107 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Beatson 29 Elizabeth F Beatson 25 William Beatson 2 George F Beatson 6 Mo Margaret Swan 57 William Cumming 28 George Turnbull 19 David Turnbull 17 Elizabeth Reid 17 Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection. up arrow Attach this record to Margaret Peacock You can attach this record to Margaret Peacock and merge the record data into your tree. Select "Ignore this record" to exclude this record from future searches for Margaret Peacock. or in future searches for Margaret Peacock Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow St George; ED: 53; Page: 3; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1861_107. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1861 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. Original data: Scotland. 1861 Scotland Census. Reels 1-150. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. Description: ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6550 - Release Date: 08/04/13

Hello listers. So, my Ancestry.com pinged me about this census listing being a possible match for my Margaret, born Peacock, Swan. In looking at it.there is a very good possibility that it could be her living with her daughter Elizabeth Swan born in 1837 in Cambusnethan. In addition, one of her daughters married a Reid.so.again very likely her. BUT, I cannot seem to find a marriage entry for a Swan and Beatson to prove this. Years ago, as we could not locate Margaret's death date in the old printed indexes, it was presumed she died before 1856. If this is in fact her, well then I have someone else to look for! Any suggestions? Rod Fleck Forks, Wa 1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Swan Name: Margaret Swan Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relationship: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Lanark, Lanarkshire Registration number: 644/7 Registration District: Milton Civil Parish: Glasgow St George County: Lanarkshire Address: 43 Garscube Road ED: 53 Household Schedule Number: 14 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_107 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Beatson 29 Elizabeth F Beatson 25 William Beatson 2 George F Beatson 6 Mo Margaret Swan 57 William Cumming 28 George Turnbull 19 David Turnbull 17 Elizabeth Reid 17 Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection. up arrow Attach this record to Margaret Peacock You can attach this record to Margaret Peacock and merge the record data into your tree. Select "Ignore this record" to exclude this record from future searches for Margaret Peacock. or in future searches for Margaret Peacock Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow St George; ED: 53; Page: 3; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1861_107. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1861 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. Original data: Scotland. 1861 Scotland Census. Reels 1-150. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. Description:

That last conversation was the most interesting and enjoyable bit of info I have had heard in a long time. Keep it up its great, Jennifer Jennifer

I remember when I was a child going to Bothwell Bridge and Drumclog for remembrance services for the Covenanters with my dad (probably 45 years ago). One of my relatives, James Aitkenhead of Kittochside was on the Fugitive Roll of 1684 and my father is very proud of his connection to the Covenanters, he will be greatly saddened by this news. Pamela Harrow Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:49:39 -0700 From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> Subject: [Lanark] Bothwell Bridge 'desecration' To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is another way to kill the tourist goose that lays the golden egg. http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/anger-over-bothwell-bridge-battle-site-building-plan-1-3026550 Maisie

Another long one as I seem incapable of being succinct! Here are two references to Robert Burns and a ‘nebulous’ association with Thomas Clint and his son Henry Clint, both vintners/innkeepers. Thomas and Henry operated the King’s Arms Hotel, Dumfries and then Thomas ran the Carlingwark Inn, Carlingwark. Unfortunately, Henry went bankrupt and lost the King’s Arms Hotel, but not before he likely had at least a nodding acquaintance with Robert Burns (whose place as Scotland’s national poet has not been usurped). It is very likely too that Henry Clint’s father might have known Robert Burns, and if nothing else, made sure that his horses were taken care of! #1 Reference “On 25th June 1794 Burns set out on a second tour of Galloway. He left Dumfries in the afternoon and reached Castle Douglas that evening. He stayed in the High Street in the main hostelry, then named Carlingwark Inn, after the town’s earlier name. This was a staging post where the horses were changed for the stagecoaches travelling between Dumfries and Stranraer.” #2 Reference To John McMurdo, a friend of Burns: 'I think I once mentioned something of a collection of Scots songs I have for some years been making: I send you a perusal of what I have got together. I could not conveniently spare them above five or six days, and five or six glances of them will probably more than suffice you. When you are tired of them, please leave them with Mr. Clint, of the King's Arms. There is not another copy of the collection in the world; and I should he sorry that any unfortunate negligence should deprive me of what has cost me a good deal of pains....' Here is where I wish it were even far less nebulous for me to glue Thomas Clint and his children Henry, John and Margaret on my ‘tree.’ The Clint name is rather scarce in Southwest Scotland, with the name far more common in Yorkshire (England). However, as my great-great grandfather William Clint presumably was born in Carlingwark, Kelton Parish, I jumped at a possible connection with Thomas Clint of Carlingwark (via York.) Quite a few years ago a lister sent me a fine epitaph on the flatstone for Thomas Clint that she found online. Later, Irene Macleod sent me photos of both headstone, such a find! Two sons and a daughter were mentioned on the flatstone in Terregles Cemetery (Kirkcudbrightshire), but unnamed, with only the actual name of a deceased son, a namesake, was indicated. Alongside this grave is one for Margaret Grierson (aka McGrigor), his first wife who was R.C. (important detauil when following the trail of the children). Thomas Clint’s second wife was Isabella Robertson Marshall (Robison Marishall on some documents). They were married in the Presbyterian Church, Castle Douglas. A lot of sleuthing over the years, with the unstinting help of Malcolm Lockerbie and Irene Macleod, as well as others, finally reinforced my ‘gut’ feeling that this Thomas Clint just had to come from Yorkshire, as this is where I had found a ‘ton’ by this name in reference sources years ago. Yes! He was married to Margaret Grierson (aka McGrigor) in St. Michael’s C of E, Oursebridge, York, and their daughter Margaret Clint was born in England. We have no documentation as yet to show where the sons Henry and John were born. At some point Thomas is up over the border and running the King’s Arms Hotel, Dumfries, with Henry at his elbow, who later took over and somehow lost the inn. John was a farmer and horse dealer at Hightae, near Carlingwark. I have nicknamed him the ‘pollinator’ as we know of at least two children ‘pollinated’ by him whose mothers he had no interest in marrying, it would seem. One of them took him to the Court of Session Edinburgh, but for what purpose, I don’t know as I balked at paying £15/$23 r.o.e per half an hour for further research. The thought is that maybe the mother of the child was trying to have his name legitimised or she was trying to dun him for some money! Jumping to conclusions, with no documentation found, it is my gut feeling that John Clint may have sired my great-great grandfather. The frustrating thing is that this John Clint’s offspring of the ‘misbegotten child’ have been documented all the way to a present generation. Why can’t I be so successful with my antecedent? The last foray might be Kirk Session minutes. They are not available online and it would likely take a personal visit to Edinburgh to do further research. Can’t be done from California. It’s the last resort, perhaps, to try to find the parentage of my great-great grandfather William Clint. Robert Burns would pen: '”...and forward though I cannot see, I guess and fear....” Not to be pessimistic as I have ben able to fill in many gaps from William Clint, his progeny and theirs, all of whom came from Dumfriesshire, Kirkcudbrightshire and Wigtownshire, until my grandfather Peter Clint left his roots in Kirkcudbrightshire to come to Glasgow. Of his eight grandchildren born in Glasgow, there has been a bit of a diaspora with only one of my brothers left in Glasgow, two of whose daughter went to England and another to the USA. Only one has remains in Lanarkshire. One brother went to England, taking his children with him; two sisters ended up in Haddington, East Lothian (near Edinburgh) with their children, some of whose offspring hied it to Australia. One brother went to Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, where all of his children continue to have roots, but with USA calling a granddaughter. When Peter Clint left Kirkcudbrightshire, so too did his siblings, so that when I tracked down two ‘far-out’ cousins in Auchencairn when I was home one year, and where this great-great grandfather William Clint had settled down, they were the only two left that I knew of with any family connections. My grandfather’s widower father buzzed off to England where he married an English woman and started up another family with her, most of whom were born in Wales. He did all right for himself as captain of mines and lived in what is now a ‘listed’ house. Not that you’ve been following the thread, but at least the ‘pollinator’ has one descendant and his offspring with family still within shouting distance where this frisky fellow was a farmer/horse dealer. Would it be a kick if I were to be another of them! For those still ‘guddling along,’ my little essay might encourage you to ‘keep right on to the end of the road,’ for you never know what is round the bend! Maisie

This is another way to kill the tourist goose that lays the golden egg. http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/anger-over-bothwell-bridge-battle-site-building-plan-1-3026550 Incredible that this important part of Lanarkshire history will be allowed to be ‘desecrated,’ for that is what it will amount to. The Battle of Bothwell Bridge is not only an historical event, but many think that without the stand of the Covenanters, ergo Presbyterians, it very well could be that Episcopacy might have become the established church in in Scotland, as in England. The Church of Scotland, The Kirk, in law, is the national church in Scotland, but not the established church, and as a result is not under state control. The Battle of Bothwell Bridge, therefore, represents an independent Scottish church/religion, and its significance should not be diminished by greedy land/housing developers. Some great Lanarkshire families that fought with the Covenanters during the ‘Killing Times’: Hamilton, Cargill, Balfour, and of course Robert Cameron, after whom the Cameronians, the ‘radical Presbyterians,’ shall we say, took their name. Covenanters not killed were imprisoned in the open air on land beside Greyfriars Kirkyard, Edinburgh, with many transported to the colonies. Maisie

It strikes me as a no brainer If you make family history information more accessible, more will get interested, and the type of people who are interested are more likely to have the funds to visit other Countries to see their ancestors old homes and places of work And before everyone chirps up <g>, I know that only applies to a minority but its a significant section of the various populations of each Country Whether it takes so many quango's to push genealogy tourism is another matter, I suspect as the rewards are so intangible there is plenty of scope for those with mind to make a few quid out of these quango's When the dust settles after it all, the fors will say its been a success and brought in umpty nine billion, the nays will say otherwise Neither will be able to prove their case with any certainty Its ever been the case and I don't see it diminishing But the fact remains its a no brainer to bring in tourists, especially those with a genuine interest in the place they are visiting, they stay longer and spend more, its plain common sense really Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/08/2013 05:04, Maisie Egger wrote: > http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/scots-firms-urged-to-benefit-from-ancestral-tourism-1-3021419 > > On the one hand the local communities are pulling in their horns in promoting Homecoming Scotland 2014 because it was supposed to have been a financial loss the last time around, but now this article in today’s Scotsman seemingly contradicts this predicting how the Scottish economy will benefit by many tourists chasing their Scottish roots. As the current buzz word goes, there seems to be a disconnect. > > Maisie