Maisie, Please send your daughter to my house to help me do the same. (But not just yet......). ;) The saved cards and letters really hits home......! Good on ya for taking the step! Carole Kenney Upper Merion Supervisor Upper Merion Tricentennial Year 2013 "Preserving the Past, Shaping the Future" On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > The realisation finally hit me that my children have no idea who most of the people are, so it would be left to them to dispose of everything upon my departure...the only thing my younger one wanted is the nice comfortable couch in the ?pit.? What a nerve! She?ll just have to wait! > > Moral of the story...if you have encumbered yourself with all this ?stuff,? be tough with yourself and find another comfort zone...dispose of it before it begins to take over the house

Does the word "both" below refer to Thomas and Catherine, or to James & Bridget? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John & Yvonne McDonald Sent: 17-Sep-13 10:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Parents name Problem In February 1882 Thomas Crilly married Catherine Begen and witnessed by James Graham and Bridget Clark. They both gave their address as Peter Street Priv. Ho., Irvine, Dundonald Ayrshire.

I hope someone can help me clarify my problem, as I am sure that other researchers have encountered the same problems. In February 1882 Thomas Crilly married Catherine Begen and witnessed by James Graham and Bridget Clark. They both gave their address as Peter Street Priv. Ho., Irvine, Dundonald Ayrshire. His parents Michael Crilly and Alice Milligan on his marriage extract. Thomas Crilly and Helen Milligan on his death extract. Her parents Thomas Begen and Bridget Clark on her marriage extract. John Begen and Bridget S------- on her death extract. When researching the 1881 Census for Peter Street Priv. Ho. There is a Bridget Clark married to a Thomas Clark, with a son James Clark. I can't find either a Thomas Crilly or Catherine Begen at this address on this Census. All the participants were born in Ireland and normally I would think that the parents name given on the marriage extract is correct, but: Could it be Bridget Clark the witness, was recorded incorrectly as Catherine's mother. (my assumption) Or is Bridget S------really Catherine's mother and John instead of Thomas as her father. Any assistance or ideas that anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated, as I continuously keep returning to this dilemma. Thank you in advance, John, Pitt Meadows, BC, Canada

OT My scanner is the slowest on the planet! Any recommendations for a FAST one? BW Edward On 17 September 2013 09:39, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > > Its sadly to late for you Maisie but there is an alternative others may > want to consider > > Scan the pages and keep them in digital form > > Easier to read, no guilt pangs, no weight, no space taken up and the > luxury of being able to read and review at your leisure > > You can share some or all to anyone around the globe, and by so doing > create back ups with those other interested parties > > People are becoming far more attuned to digital media, who prints photos > these days? > > Photos, letters, cards, certificates, records, and of course photos or > scans of any other ephemera or family items can all be saved for > posterity, I can scan larger objects and stitch the scans together to > make a complete picture again but digitally > > Once scanned and confirmed, you can then enjoy reading the items and > cataloguing them at your leisure, when satisfied all are recorded you > can then recycle the paper without the guilt, in fact you can enjoy > making space knowing the items are not lost for good > > You would be surprised how much can be scanned or recorded in a short > space of time > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 17/09/2013 03:14, Maisie Egger wrote: > > Today I feel like wearing black crepe from head to toe as I > > “cremated” my “paper family.” > > > > Younger daughter came to help me gut the joint then huffed and puffed > > about why her father needed 16 paints of trousers, some as old as > > tea, but he wouldn’t let her put them on the yard sale pile! > > However, there was no sentimentality at all when she plopped two big > > plastic tubs at my feet with a no nonsense look about her that I > > needed to start gleaning some of my family bits and dabs. > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- *Edward*

Its sadly to late for you Maisie but there is an alternative others may want to consider Scan the pages and keep them in digital form Easier to read, no guilt pangs, no weight, no space taken up and the luxury of being able to read and review at your leisure You can share some or all to anyone around the globe, and by so doing create back ups with those other interested parties People are becoming far more attuned to digital media, who prints photos these days? Photos, letters, cards, certificates, records, and of course photos or scans of any other ephemera or family items can all be saved for posterity, I can scan larger objects and stitch the scans together to make a complete picture again but digitally Once scanned and confirmed, you can then enjoy reading the items and cataloguing them at your leisure, when satisfied all are recorded you can then recycle the paper without the guilt, in fact you can enjoy making space knowing the items are not lost for good You would be surprised how much can be scanned or recorded in a short space of time Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/09/2013 03:14, Maisie Egger wrote: > Today I feel like wearing black crepe from head to toe as I > “cremated” my “paper family.” > > Younger daughter came to help me gut the joint then huffed and puffed > about why her father needed 16 paints of trousers, some as old as > tea, but he wouldn’t let her put them on the yard sale pile! > However, there was no sentimentality at all when she plopped two big > plastic tubs at my feet with a no nonsense look about her that I > needed to start gleaning some of my family bits and dabs.

Today I feel like wearing black crepe from head to toe as I “cremated” my “paper family.” Younger daughter came to help me gut the joint then huffed and puffed about why her father needed 16 paints of trousers, some as old as tea, but he wouldn’t let her put them on the yard sale pile! However, there was no sentimentality at all when she plopped two big plastic tubs at my feet with a no nonsense look about her that I needed to start gleaning some of my family bits and dabs. It ‘killed”me to get rid of my comfort zone items, some dated from the 1960s. Chucked out were beautiful Christmas cards and greetings cards that I didn’t have the heart to dispose of in years past, but it was much easier to do than go through myriad letters from friends and relatives. How difficult it was to throw letters of many years ago when relatives and friends had little children and to realise now that they are adults, and married, neber mind other passages of time with illnesses and deaths. In all the piles of “dedritus,” I found only a couple of family genealogy gems, and then a letter from a relative which had me screaming in laughter, with tears running down my cheeks, remembering our son about 10 or so wakening our guests up by blowing on his bugle too early in the morning! He likely got a good talking to, but looking back on it now I laughed till the tears ran. My Glasgow aunt, up in her years, had written about her father’s layabout brother, so as all the players are dead, I can add that anecdote to the journal. I then found a letter from my father’s Paisley/Glasgow cousin once removed who filled me in on his tree, and confirmed that his cousin once removed in Castle Douglas had been a butcher at one time. His grandfather, a blacksmith, apparently had had the biggest funeral Castle Douglas had ever seen. There were a few other little gems to add to the family tree, but after I re-read everything, I had to make the very hard decision to consign them to the heap to be disposed of...paper recycling. I have other big tubs to go through, then more closets and boxes. The realisation finally hit me that my children have no idea who most of the people are, so it would be left to them to dispose of everything upon my departure...the only thing my younger one wanted is the nice comfortable couch in the “pit.” What a nerve! She’ll just have to wait! Moral of the story...if you have encumbered yourself with all this “stuff,” be tough with yourself and find another comfort zone...dispose of it before it begins to take over the house! Maisie

It is true that in Canada, the provinces are responsible for registering all vital statistics. As for the Census of Canada, as of 2011, the long-form Census was made voluntary (previously, it was compulsory). The other change in 2011 was that the public was urged to complete the Census via the Internet. You had to telephone a government number to request a mail-in form. It is not clear to me how these changes affected the collection of Census data but I do suspect that less information was gathered, since a small but significant proportion of the population is not computer literate. To make this more relevant to the Lanarkshire list, not sure what Census enumeration methods are currently in use in the UK? Carolyn On 2013-09-14, at 10:44 PM, Paul Hutcheson wrote: > > In Canada, the individual provinces register all births, marriages, deaths > and changes of name. BMDs have absolutely nothing to do with the federal > government. The only remote connection is the ability, in some provinces, > to apply for a SIN at the time of birth.

Hi , my Grandfather changed his name when imigrating to Canada from SINCLAIR to ST CLAIR. Allison.

Hi! Just my six-penny'orth: > it has to do with the family environment children are being raised > in today. And many other times. But these days, certainly in the UK, unmarried parents do mostly register their child jointly, with both their names recorded. In 19C it was a different matter. One of my great-great-grandmothers had a different father named on her death certificate to that named on her marriage certificate. I have been unable to find a birth certificate for her at all. On investigation, it seems she was illegitimate, and her mother (a pauper) and siblings moved to a different parish when she was an infant to avoid falling foul of the Poor Law, which withheld relief from women deemed to be 'immoral'. Her mother passed as a widow, but had been abandoned by her husband, who had then married (bigamously) in another part of Scotland, before moving back into the same area as his first wife. Whether she was still involved with him is unclear, so we haven't a clue about paternity at all. Conversely, my English grandfather and his siblings, who were raised by both parents, all had a middle name which we couldn't explain as a family name. It turned out that it was their mother's legal married name: in this case, she was the bigamist – a herring girl who had left a husband and child in her home port and taken up with another man when working further down the coast. Seven children later, she went through a church wedding with my great-grandfather, in the church where she had married 24 years previously. She called herself a 'widow': in fact, her husband was alive in another part of Yorkshire, and outlived my great-grandfather! best wishes, Marianne

“Unfortunately Canada Feds, THESE DAYS are not recording anything as they hope to bury their doings.” The preceding statement was made by a poster to this list. I worked for the Canadian Federal Government for 34 years. The information about the citizens of Canada that is being gathered today is more complete and accurate than at any time in our past. One of the problems we encounter, and which will surely be passed on to future genealogists is the fact that many Canadians born in these times are having the name of only one parent recorded on their birth certificate. This has nothing to do with the Federal Government – it has to do with the family environment children are being raised in today. To make wild accusations about the efficiency of the Federal Government of Canada not recording statistical date in order to cover up their ‘doings,’ is totally ridiculous and has no place in a forum as fine and useful as this one is! Families of interest: Hamilton, Ballantyne, Reid, Duncan, Campbell of Lochgoilhead and Kendrick of County Antrim. Robert N Campbell Auburn Nova Scotia

In Canada, the individual provinces register all births, marriages, deaths and changes of name. BMDs have absolutely nothing to do with the federal government. The only remote connection is the ability, in some provinces, to apply for a SIN at the time of birth. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: September-14-13 5:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Uncalled for Remarks of a Political Nature "Unfortunately Canada Feds, THESE DAYS are not recording anything as they hope to bury their doings." The preceding statement was made by a poster to this list. I worked for the Canadian Federal Government for 34 years. The information about the citizens of Canada that is being gathered today is more complete and accurate than at any time in our past. One of the problems we encounter, and which will surely be passed on to future genealogists is the fact that many Canadians born in these times are having the name of only one parent recorded on their birth certificate. This has nothing to do with the Federal Government - it has to do with the family environment children are being raised in today. To make wild accusations about the efficiency of the Federal Government of Canada not recording statistical date in order to cover up their 'doings,' is totally ridiculous and has no place in a forum as fine and useful as this one is! Families of interest: Hamilton, Ballantyne, Reid, Duncan, Campbell of Lochgoilhead and Kendrick of County Antrim. Robert N Campbell Auburn Nova Scotia ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Catt Not as detailed or invasive as The Domesday Book Yes entirely facinating, it never ceases to entertain Fencible comes from the word Defensable ie capable of making defence You will find Lesmahagow or Lesmahagoe Mostly with w certainly 1850 on But it is also found spelled in other ways See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesmahagow Particular ways of spelling is a relatively modern concept Much would depend on the literacy level of the scribe, their education, local knowledge etc Burying their doings sounds like good practice to me <bg> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/09/2013 19:43, Catt wrote: > Thank you for the information folks: > Like a Doomsday Report? > Isn't history fascinating? > Are fencibles/ swordsmen? > > Lesmahagow spell check comes up the term Salesmanship? > Is Lesmahagow spelled with a "w" or an "e" at the end? > > Unfortunately Canada Feds, THESE DAYS are not recording anything as they hope to > bury their doings.

Thank you for the information folks: Like a Doomsday Report? Isn't history fascinating? Are fencibles/ swordsmen? Lesmahagow spell check comes up the term Salesmanship? Is Lesmahagow spelled with a "w" or an "e" at the end? Unfortunately Canada Feds, THESE DAYS are not recording anything as they hope to bury their doings. > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:42:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Cliff. Johnston" [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 149 > "Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land?" > It's called a hoe :-) ?But not a 'hoe ;-) > Cliff. ________________________________ > > From: Catt [email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 149 > > Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land? People pulling > plows or ? > > I guess they would have to cut down more trees to make new carts and wagons > and > make new wheels? > > Which War was in 1797? > > On Wed 11/09/13? 3:01 AM , l > [email protected] sent: > Subject: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > The Farmers And Heritors of the parish of Lesmahogow > have unanimously agreed to furnish their carts, horses, &c. (to the > amount of 500) for transporting troops > Every person in the parish of Renfrew having horses (except two tenants and a distiller) has offered them to the Government, to convey troops, &c. > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > ------------------------------ > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:14:29 -0400 > > From: Jo Ann Croft [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] 1797 war > This was part of the series of wars that followed the French Revolution. > > Most of the countries that were monarchies tried to reverse the outcome. > > It then led into the Napoleonic Wars. > > http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/wars_firstcoalition.html > > > Jo-Ann > Which War was in 1797? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > > The terror with which the Irish were filled by the late visit of the > Sans Culottes, seems by no means as yet to be subsided - they are making > very great exertions, however, to give them a warm reception should they > again make their appearance - they have at present for their defense > 30,000 effective Yeomanry, besides their Militia, who are in general the > finest troops in the three kingdoms, and some regiments of fencibles - > also a considerable body of artillery. To every militia regiment are > attached two six pounders, which some of their own men have of late been > taught to work. > > We hear that of eighty thousand colliers and keel men in the vicinity of > > Newcastle, no less than sixty thousand have offered their services in > > case of invasion. > > A letter was received in town yesterday, from the Cape of Good Hope, > > dated the 30th November, which mentions, that we have taken four French > > frigates, and a rich store ship. > ================ > How much of the above was bluster or propaganda to try and demoralize > > the French I can't say > > NB Sans Culottes = name used for the French left wing revolutionaries, > > mostly working class, the common man , you would presume from the above > > that some French raided some port or other in Ireland > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12/09/2013 17:33, Catt wrote: > > > Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm > their land? People pulling > > plows or ? > > > I guess they would have to cut down more trees to make > new carts and wagons and > > make new wheels? > > > Which War was in 1797? > ------------------------------ > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:48:27 -0700 > > From: "Maisie Egger" ca > [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] Fw: Lesmahagoe 1797 > > To: [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=response > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > > At the same time, 1790s, the Fifeshire Fencibles (Durham's Fencilbles for > > Sir James Durham, Largo Fife, raised in 1795) were in Co. Kilkenny, > Ireland, > to put down yet another Irish to-do. By 1803 the Fifeshire Fencibles had > > been disbanded and sent back to Scotland, perhaps to embark with another > > unit to thwart the possibility of an invasion. From what I have read, the > > soldiers had to pay their own way back to Scotland from Ireland, leaving > > many disgruntled. I do not know, but I wonder if my forebear decided to > > stay in Co. Kilkenny because of this, after the Fifeshire Fencibles > > disbanded, i.e., as I have copies of the christening of two children to this > Joseph Pope and Margaret McBride in St. Mary's Church of Ireland in 1800 > and08. > Eventually the family ended up in Glasgow, not in Fifeshire where the > > Fencibles were established. Joseph Pope became a shoemaker, but he did not > > live a 'salubrious' life and when he died he was buried in common ground > > (pauper), Glasgow Cathedral grounds, along with dozens of others. I have > > absolutely nothing on his wife Margaret McBride, where she was born or > died. > I am assuming she died in Glasgow, however. > > Robert Burns had a say-so about the French Revolution which almost labeled > > him as a traitor when he attempted to send four colonnades to the French > > Assembly. The later excesses of the French Revolution no doubt reminded > > him of his poem called 'Man was made to mourn: A Dirge in 1784,' > Man was made to mourn: A Dirge Many and sharp the num'rous ills In woven with our frame! More pointed still we make ourselves Regret, remorse, and shame! And man, whose heav'n-erected face The smiles of love adorn, - Man's inhumanity to man Makes countless thousands mourn! In essence, then, there was a lot of wars and petty wars going on in the mid to late 1700s. Maisie > From: Nivard Ovington > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:23 PM > > To: [email protected] > otsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > > Hi Catt > It was the fear of war or invasion by the French due to revolution in > > France and unrest in Europe > > Various measures were taken to try and make sure that preparations were > > in place for defence and to establish what was available in the way of > > men, arms, transport etc > > Amongst other things there was a militia Act in Scotland in 1797 > Various listings were made to establish what people had to help defend > > or help the military > > Over the next few years there were lists drawn up of who had arms or > > weapons of any sort, what transport was available, horses, animals, feed > > and crops > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:16:41 -0400 > > From: Carolyn Perkes [email protected] > videotron.ca> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > > To: Newsgroup Lanarkshire [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > Thanks for posting this, Nivard! > It's always good to put things in context. > Carolyn > > (with folks from Lesmahagow) > On 2013-09-10, at 4:58 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > > The Farmers And Heritors of the parish of Lesmahogoe > have unanimously > > agreed to furnish their carts, horses, &c. (to the > amount of 500) for > > transporting troops > > > Every person in the parish of Renfrew having horses > (except two tenants > > and a distiller) has offered them to the Government, to > convey troops, &c. > > -- > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 23:44:45 +0100 > > From: "Archie Gilbert" a > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 149 > > To: [email protected] > mus.ca>, [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Catt, > > As ever, Britain was at war with France. In 1798 the French landed > > troops in Co Mayo to aid the Irish in the first major rebellion, but were > > defeated at Ballinamuck by General Cornwallis, he of another rebellion ! > > The country was on high alert. My 4XGrGrandfather was a lieutenant in the > > Orkney and Shetland Fencibles, and may have been in Ireland. His sword is > > still in the possession of a cousin in Australia. The Fencibles were a kind > > of Home Guard who were raised in most counties. > > Archie Gilbert

Catt, As ever, Britain was at war with France. In 1798 the French landed troops in Co Mayo to aid the Irish in the first major rebellion, but were defeated at Ballinamuck by General Cornwallis, he of another rebellion ! The country was on high alert. My 4XGrGrandfather was a lieutenant in the Orkney and Shetland Fencibles, and may have been in Ireland. His sword is still in the possession of a cousin in Australia. The Fencibles were a kind of Home Guard who were raised in most counties. Archie Gilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 149 > Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land? People > pulling > plows or ? > I guess they would have to cut down more trees to make new carts and > wagons and > make new wheels? > Which War was in 1797? >

Hi Catt It was the fear of war or invasion by the French due to revolution in France and unrest in Europe Various measures were taken to try and make sure that preparations were in place for defence and to establish what was available in the way of men, arms, transport etc Amongst other things there was a militia Act in Scotland in 1797 Various listings were made to establish what people had to help defend or help the military Over the next few years there were lists drawn up of who had arms or weapons of any sort, what transport was available, horses, animals, feed and crops Some survive some don't, some name names, others are just a count, I can't see anything listed in Colin Chapmans pre - 1841 censuses & population listings for Lanarkshire or Renfrewshire So the pledging to supply horses or transport was just that, a pledge should it be needed From the same newspaper, and gives a little more of the flavour of the events reported and the state of flux around the UK Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 The terror with which the Irish were filled by the late visit of the Sans Culottes, seems by no means as yet to be subsided - they are making very great exertions, however, to give them a warm reception should they again make their appearance - they have at present for their defence 30,000 effective Yeomanry, besides their Militia, who are in general the finest troops in the three kingdoms, and some regiments of fencibles - also a considerable body of artillery. To every militia regiment are attached two six pounders, which some of their own men have of late been taught to work. We hear that of eighty thousand colliers and keelmen in the vicinity of Newcastle, no less than sixty thousand have offered their services in case of invasion. A letter was received in town yesterday, from the Cape of Good Hope, dated the 30th November, which mentions, that we have taken four French frigates, and a rich storeship. ================ How much of the above was bluster or propaganda to try and demoralise the French I can't say NB Sans Culottes = name used for the French left wing revolutionaries, mostly working class, the common man , you would presume from the above that some French raided some port or other in Ireland Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/09/2013 17:33, Catt wrote: > Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land? People pulling > plows or ? > I guess they would have to cut down more trees to make new carts and wagons and > make new wheels? > Which War was in 1797?

Thanks for posting this, Nivard! It's always good to put things in context. Carolyn (with folks from Lesmahagow) On 2013-09-10, at 4:58 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > > The Farmers And Heritors of the parish of Lesmahogoe have unanimously > agreed to furnish their carts, horses, &c. (to the amount of 500) for > transporting troops > > Every person in the parish of Renfrew having horses (except two tenants > and a distiller) has offered them to the Government, to convey troops, &c. > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > -------------------------------

Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 At the same time, 1790s, the Fifeshire Fencibles (Durham's Fencilbles for Sir James Durham, Largo Fife, raised in 1795) were in Co. Kilkenny, Ireland, to put down yet another Irish to-do. By 1803 the Fifeshire Fencibles had been disbanded and sent back to Scotland, perhaps to embark with another unit to thwart the possibility of an invasion. From what I have read, the soldiers had to pay their own way back to Scotland from Ireland, leaving many disgruntled. I do not know, but I wonder if my forebear decided to stay in Co. Kilkenny because of this, after the Fifeshire Fencibles disbanded, i.e., as I have copies of the christening of two children to this Joseph Pope and Margaret McBride in St. Mary's Church of Ireland in 1800 and 1808. Eventually the family ended up in Glasgow, not in Fifeshire where the Fencibles were established. Joseph Pope became a shoemaker, but he did not live a 'salubrious' life and when he died he was buried in common ground (pauper), Glasgow Cathedral grounds, along with dozens of others. I have absolutely nothing on his wife Margaret McBride, where she was born or died. I am assuming she died in Glasgow, however. Robert Burns had a say-so about the French Revolution which almost labeled him as a traitor when he attempted to send four colonnades to the French Assembly. The later excesses of the French Revolution no doubt reminded him of his poem called 'Man was made to mourn: A Dirge in 1784,' Man was made to mourn: A Dirge Many and sharp the num'rous ills Inwoven with our frame! More pointed still we make ourselves Regret, remorse, and shame! And man, whose heav'n-erected face The smiles of love adorn, - Man's inhumanity to man Makes countless thousands mourn! In essence, then, there was a lot of wars and petty wars going on in the mid to late 1700s. Maisie From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 Hi Catt It was the fear of war or invasion by the French due to revolution in France and unrest in Europe Various measures were taken to try and make sure that preparations were in place for defence and to establish what was available in the way of men, arms, transport etc Amongst other things there was a militia Act in Scotland in 1797 Various listings were made to establish what people had to help defend or help the military Over the next few years there were lists drawn up of who had arms or weapons of any sort, what transport was available, horses, animals, feed and crops ------------

This was part of the series of wars that followed the French Revolution. Most of the countries that were monarchies tried to reverse the outcome. It then led into the Napoleonic Wars. http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/wars_firstcoalition.html Jo-Ann > Which War was in 1797? > >

Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land? People pulling plows or ? I guess they would have to cut down more trees to make new carts and wagons and make new wheels? Which War was in 1797? On Wed 11/09/13 3:01 AM , [email protected] sent: > PLE [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > > To: "[email protected] > otsweb.com" [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: 52 > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > > The Farmers And Heritors of the parish of Lesmahogoe have unanimously > > agreed to furnish their carts, horses, &c. (to the amount of 500) for > > transporting troops > > Every person in the parish of Renfrew having horses (except two tenants > > and a distiller) has offered them to the Government, to convey troops, &c. > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

"Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land?" It's called a hoe :-)  But not a 'hoe ;-) Cliff. ________________________________ From: Catt <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 149 Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land? People pulling plows or ? I guess they would have to cut down more trees to make new carts and wagons and make new wheels? Which War was in 1797? On Wed 11/09/13  3:01 AM , [email protected] sent: > PLE [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > > To: "[email protected] > otsweb.com" [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: 52 > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > > The Farmers And Heritors of the parish of Lesmahogoe have unanimously > > agreed to furnish their carts, horses, &c. (to the amount of 500) for > > transporting troops > > Every person in the parish of Renfrew having horses (except two tenants > > and a distiller) has offered them to the Government, to convey troops, &c. > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message