Thank you, Anne. I'm going to do some more studying. Another bit of my genes came from Logie Parish, some from each of the three counties. These genes were only united here in Canada a few generations later. These locations puzzled me for years, but I finally sorted it (slightly). Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ________________________________________________________________________________ Hi Ken, I'm interested in this string about parishes and changes in general But, I'm particularly interested in your connection with Logie parish. I believe Logie parish includes the site of the Wallace Monument (at Causwayhead between Stirling and Bridge of Allan) and the "Logie Kirk" (as it is known locally) is just on the other side of the monument hill. I lived in Bridge of Allan and my father died there. He was interred in the grounds of Logie Kirk at his request and I still don't know how that was accomplished (you probably know that where you die determines where you will probably be buried). I wonder about your connection with the area. Best regards, Alastair Macdonald Brisbane, Australia.

Lindsey, Dou you have the parentage of Elisabeth LINDSAY? I am trying to identify LINDSAYs from a marriage back c1820. I only have email and no other computer files at the moment to give further information :-( It's all backed up but not transferred across! Regards, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Is anyone researching this line to talk to? Parents were James Hamilton and Elizabeth Lindsay Hamilton

Lanarkshire HAMILTONS: William HAMILTON b:1821 1st Marriage: Rose Ann SORLEY b: Abt 1821 d: 25 Feb 1856 Children; James HAMILTON Catherine HAMILTON John HAMILTON 2nd Marriage: Ann TAYLOR b: 1836 d: After 1873 Children; William HAMILTON John HAMILTON Isabella HAMILTON Ann HAMILTON Robert HAMILTON Joseph HAMILTON Andrew HAMILTON George HAMILTON -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:58 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [Lanark] Hamilton surname > Anyone else looking for their Hamilton connection? > > 1861 Census of Lanarkshire > > Name: Elizabeth Hamilton > Age: 39 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 > Relationship: Wife > Spouse's name : James Hamilton > Gender: Female > Where born: Ireland > Registration number: 628 > Registration district: Cambusnethan > Civil parish: Cambusnethan > County: Lanarkshire > Address: Morningside Village > ED: 15 > Household schedule number: 61 > Line: 13 > Roll: CSSCT1861_93 > Household Members: > Name Age > James Hamilton 45 > Elizabeth Hamilton 39 > Joseph Hamilton 7 > Robert Hamilton 5 > James Hamilton 3 > William Hamilton 5 Mo > > > Source Citation: Parish: Cambusnethan; ED: 15; Page: 13; Line: 13; Roll: > CSSCT1861_93. > > Source Information: > Ancestry.com. 1861 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: > Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. > Original data: Scotland. 1861 Scotland Census. Reels 1-150. General > Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > Description: > The 1861 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 7/8 April 1861. The > following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of > family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether > blind, deaf, and dumb. Learn more... > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Re about Eastwood Parish Church : church   http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.leiser/mansewood/eastwoodbook.htm

On 2013-09-24, at 4:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: > James Hamilton 1854-1899 > married to Marion Sneddon > > Robert Hamilton 1856-1928 > married to Jane Currie > > James Hamilton 1858-1905 > married to unknown > > William Hamilton 1860-1894 > married to Annie Donnelly married in 1892 died 2 years later > > John Hamilton 1863-1933 > married to Margaret Harper > > > Is anyone researching this line to talk to? > > Parents were James Hamilton and Elizabeth Lindsay Hamilton > I have a Margaret SNEDDON (1823-1873 - approximate dates) married to a James SIMPSON, coal miner. No marriage date, but Margaret SNEDDON is on the death certificate of her daughter Agnes SIMPSON MCMUNN (or McMinn) born 5 Feb 1850, Holytown, Lanark, died 6 Jan 1929 Hamilton Ontario. Agnes SIMPSON married James MCMUNN 8 Oct 1869, Hamilton, Lanark. For what it's worth, Carolyn

Oh, dear, oh dear, such potential for confusion! It is always essential to distinguish between parishes and counties. Parishes are mutually exclusive#, and counties are mutually exclusive, but there are some parishes that extend or once extended into more than one county. There is one that springs to mind that is in three counties - Logie, which is partly in Stirlingshire, partly in Perthshire and partly in Clackmannanshire. #in other words, no individual point can be in more than one parish, or indeed in more than one county. Campsie may have been in the *county* of Dunbarton (aka Dunbartonshire) but it was not in the *parish* of Dumbarton. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld are *parishes* which are mostly in the *county* of Dunbarton (aka Dunbartonshire). None of these parishes was ever in the *parish* of Stirling, even if bits of some of them were at one time in the *county* of Stirling (aka Stirlingshire). Forget altogether about 'East Dumbarton' - that is a modern (late 20th century) invention and will only serve to confuse further. There was a massive reorganisation of local authority boundaries in 1975, and a re-reorganisation in 1995, but the historical records are arranged on the basis of the historical counties and parishes. It doesn't help that almost everyone now ignores the parish boundaries - they're not even shown on maps any longer, though they were until around 1970/1980. I try to make a point of always being 100% clear whether I mean a county or a parish, irrespective of whether the source is clear - most primary sources do make the distinction, but some secondary sources, like the IGI, don't. See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/sct_cmap.html for a valiant attempt to clarify the muddied waters. There are maps of the historic counties, maps of the various boundary changes that took effect in 1890, and for each county there are maps of which parishes are in that county. As for 'probate' - there is ***no such term*** in Scots Law, so to talk about probate in relation to inheritance in Scotland is meaningless. The corresponding process in Scots Law is 'Confirmation' and the books to be consulted are the Calendars of Confirmation. See http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/wills.asp and do *not* believe what Ancestry says. Anne ________________________________ From: Don Muirhead <[email protected]> To: 'Maisie Egger' <[email protected]>; 'Ken' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 21:18 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Ken Campsie was part of Dumbarton until around 1800 prior to that (mid 17th Century), Lennox. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld were also part of Dumbarton (East Dumbarton). Cumbernauld became part of Stirling briefly, Kirkintilloch never did. Here are two maps http://maps.nls.uk/joins/595.html and about a 100 years earlier here http://maps.nls.uk/view/00000290 Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 PM To: Ken; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire  (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills!  known as the Campsie Fells.  My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas.  No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow.  Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin.  So:  Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire.  They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.  You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew.  Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other?  I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Pollokshaws and Eastwood are connected and Pollokshaws is in Eastwood Church Parish. It can be confusing because there is a modern district called Eastwood in Renfrewshire. There is also a small housing estate called Eastwood just south of Pollokshaws.    All of Glasgow south of the river, Gorbals apart, was once in Renfrewshire. This changed as Glasgow expanded taking in new buroughs. This is why the Gorbals was once known as the Sou' Side.    ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Ken <[email protected]> To: Query Lanark <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 19:05 Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other?  I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth Lindsay Hamilton 1891-1966 married to James Grieve Janet G. Hamilton 1893-1967 married to William Russell of the Coatbridge area Thanks anyone. Lindsey

James Hamilton 1854-1899 married to Marion Sneddon Robert Hamilton 1856-1928 married to Jane Currie James Hamilton 1858-1905 married to unknown William Hamilton 1860-1894 married to Annie Donnelly married in 1892 died 2 years later John Hamilton 1863-1933 married to Margaret Harper Is anyone researching this line to talk to? Parents were James Hamilton and Elizabeth Lindsay Hamilton

Anyone else looking for their Hamilton connection? 1861 Census of Lanarkshire Name: Elizabeth Hamilton Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : James Hamilton Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Registration number: 628 Registration district: Cambusnethan Civil parish: Cambusnethan County: Lanarkshire Address: Morningside Village ED: 15 Household schedule number: 61 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1861_93 Household Members: Name Age James Hamilton 45 Elizabeth Hamilton 39 Joseph Hamilton 7 Robert Hamilton 5 James Hamilton 3 William Hamilton 5 Mo Source Citation: Parish: Cambusnethan; ED: 15; Page: 13; Line: 13; Roll: CSSCT1861_93. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1861 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006. Original data: Scotland. 1861 Scotland Census. Reels 1-150. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. Description: The 1861 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 7/8 April 1861. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb. Learn more...

Thank you, Anne. I'm going to do some more studying. Another bit of my genes came from Logie Parish, some from each of the three counties. These genes were only united here in Canada a few generations later. These locations puzzled me for years, but I finally sorted it (slightly). Regarding the Eastwood Parish conundrum, during the discussion of the past couple of days I have come to realize that the different parts of my genes there we actually living quite close to each other and it was just that the civil or church scribes were inconsistent in their descriptions. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: 24-Sep-13 9:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintilloch, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Oh, dear, oh dear, such potential for confusion! It is always essential to distinguish between parishes and counties. Parishes are mutually exclusive#, and counties are mutually exclusive, but there are some parishes that extend or once extended into more than one county. There is one that springs to mind that is in three counties - Logie, which is partly in Stirlingshire, partly in Perthshire and partly in Clackmannanshire. #in other words, no individual point can be in more than one parish, or indeed in more than one county. Campsie may have been in the *county* of Dunbarton (aka Dunbartonshire) but it was not in the *parish* of Dumbarton. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld are *parishes* which are mostly in the *county* of Dunbarton (aka Dunbartonshire). None of these parishes was ever in the *parish* of Stirling, even if bits of some of them were at one time in the *county* of Stirling (aka Stirlingshire). Forget altogether about 'East Dumbarton' - that is a modern (late 20th century) invention and will only serve to confuse further. There was a massive reorganisation of local authority boundaries in 1975, and a re-reorganisation in 1995, but the historical records are arranged on the basis of the historical counties and parishes. It doesn't help that almost everyone now ignores the parish boundaries - they're not even shown on maps any longer, though they were until around 1970/1980. I try to make a point of always being 100% clear whether I mean a county or a parish, irrespective of whether the source is clear - most primary sources do make the distinction, but some secondary sources, like the IGI, don't. See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/sct_cmap.html for a valiant attempt to clarify the muddied waters. There are maps of the historic counties, maps of the various boundary changes that took effect in 1890, and for each county there are maps of which parishes are in that county. As for 'probate' - there is ***no such term*** in Scots Law, so to talk about probate in relation to inheritance in Scotland is meaningless. The corresponding process in Scots Law is 'Confirmation' and the books to be consulted are the Calendars of Confirmation. See http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/wills.asp and do *not* believe what Ancestry says. Anne

Hi Ken In 1841 the relationship is not recorded, so unless stated in some other way the 15 year old may not be with their mother but another relative or even someone unrelated with the same name The ages in 1841 should be rounded down for those 15 and above, so enumerated as 15 means they could be 19 down to 15 (if the enumerator followed the instructions) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/09/2013 22:54, Ken wrote: > Thank you to Nivard, Maisie & Don (so far). > You all confirmed what I had thought was the case (but we all know there is > no such thing as a stupid question). > I may have found the person as a 15 year old in the Campsie 1841 census, but > the mother's name does not agree with the child's death register 50 years > later. And there is a good chance that she never knew where she was > actually born, if her family moved when she was quite young. > Back to the drawing board! > > Ken Harrison > North Vancouver, Canada

Hi Ken What I would suggest is that when you have the likes of this sort of question is to try the place name in google followed by the word Genuki Which will find for example http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/STI/Campsie/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/DNB/Kirkintilloch/ (Kirkintilloch with an h on the end) http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/RFW/Pollokshaws/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/RFW/Eastwood/ You will see on each page various links, one being nearby places There is a vast wealth of knowledge within Genuki and well worth a try and you will generally answer the questions you have There is also google maps but allow for County and or boundary changes as results will normally be present day Genuki will generally give information in the period we are usually interested in Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/09/2013 19:05, Ken wrote: > I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. > > In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage > (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. > Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would > like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close > proximity in 1827: > > Campsie, Stirlingshire > > Kirkintillock > > Lanarkshire > > > > The other group, in 1848: > > Pollokshaws > > Eastwood Parish > > (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood > described as both Lanark and Renfrew) > > > > Ken Harrison > North Vancouver, Canada

Ken Campsie was part of Dumbarton until around 1800 prior to that (mid 17th Century), Lennox. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld were also part of Dumbarton (East Dumbarton). Cumbernauld became part of Stirling briefly, Kirkintilloch never did. Here are two maps http://maps.nls.uk/joins/595.html and about a 100 years earlier here http://maps.nls.uk/view/00000290 Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 PM To: Ken; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills! known as the Campsie Fells. My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas. No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow. Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin. So: Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire. They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew. Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re-reading my own message below, I had an idea and did some lateral thinking. Looking for the presumed parents on FamilySearch, I found them with the known child and 3 siblings, and then found the marriage. I now know that, even though she was 15 years older than her husband, the object of my original search declared her age anywhere from 3 years low when married at age 26, to 10 years low at her death (someone else did this). The parents were married in Kippen in 1824, three months before the birth of twins in Glasgow. Before 1835 (when my subject was about 10) they were in Campsie, and before 1838 they were in Kirkintilloch. So ALL the "facts" had some basis in fact. And the family in Campsie in 1841 could still be them. Two of the children and the father fit, and the others could be a blended family with a second wife or a sister. But that is too speculative for now. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 23-Sep-13 2:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Thank you to Nivard, Maisie & Don (so far). You all confirmed what I had thought was the case (but we all know there is no such thing as a stupid question). I may have found the person as a 15 year old in the Campsie 1841 census, but the mother's name does not agree with the child's death register 50 years later. And there is a good chance that she never knew where she was actually born, if her family moved when she was quite young. Back to the drawing board! Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23-Sep-13 1:19 PM To: 'Maisie Egger'; 'Ken'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Ken Campsie was part of Dumbarton until around 1800 prior to that (mid 17th Century), Lennox. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld were also part of Dumbarton (East Dumbarton). Cumbernauld became part of Stirling briefly, Kirkintilloch never did. Here are two maps http://maps.nls.uk/joins/595.html and about a 100 years earlier here http://maps.nls.uk/view/00000290 Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 PM To: Ken; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills! known as the Campsie Fells. My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas. No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow. Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin. So: Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire. They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew. Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Thank you to Nivard, Maisie & Don (so far). You all confirmed what I had thought was the case (but we all know there is no such thing as a stupid question). I may have found the person as a 15 year old in the Campsie 1841 census, but the mother's name does not agree with the child's death register 50 years later. And there is a good chance that she never knew where she was actually born, if her family moved when she was quite young. Back to the drawing board! Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23-Sep-13 1:19 PM To: 'Maisie Egger'; 'Ken'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Ken Campsie was part of Dumbarton until around 1800 prior to that (mid 17th Century), Lennox. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld were also part of Dumbarton (East Dumbarton). Cumbernauld became part of Stirling briefly, Kirkintilloch never did. Here are two maps http://maps.nls.uk/joins/595.html and about a 100 years earlier here http://maps.nls.uk/view/00000290 Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 PM To: Ken; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills! known as the Campsie Fells. My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas. No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow. Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin. So: Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire. They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew. Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills! known as the Campsie Fells. My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas. No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow. Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin. So: Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire. They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew. Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada

Well then, with that in mind, I, too, would like to hear about the newest version of FTM, and its compatibility with windows 7 in particular (Having been sufficiently warned off of windows 8 by Maisie and other friends!) Thank you! Carole Kenney Upper Merion Tricentennial Year 2013 "Preserving the Past, Shaping the Future" On Sep 22, 2013, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > I would suggest a read of the FTM lists archives as its a topic of > conversation since launched > > And perhaps subscribing to same > > NB if you keep a back up of your file you will have no problem in losing > it should you upgrade anyway > > Most upgrades make a back up before creating their own database anyway > > As to clogging the list, fat chance, there has only been three posts in > three days and that includes yours <g> >

Hi Michael I would suggest a read of the FTM lists archives as its a topic of conversation since launched And perhaps subscribing to same NB if you keep a back up of your file you will have no problem in losing it should you upgrade anyway Most upgrades make a back up before creating their own database anyway As to clogging the list, fat chance, there has only been three posts in three days and that includes yours <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 21/09/2013 20:47, michael paton wrote: > I am thinking of upgrading my Family Tree Maker to the 2014 version. Have > any researchers who have tried it had any problems? I have too much > research to lose it now. You may email direct so we don't clog the list. > > Voyager(plus number eighty-seven)@gmail dot com > Thank you for reading > Michael Paton