For those tracking Scots in Canada. However, the indexing is not ideal. ** Carolyn

For those with ancestors who emigrated down under. The Inmates Register 1860-1872 of the Ballarat Benevolent Asylum ( Victoria, Australia ), which catered for orphaned children, the poor, the aged and infirm, and maternity cases, are now available on the Ballarat Historical Society's website. The records feature many British-born and Irish-born inmates, and record occupation, birth place, age, parent's names, date arrived in the colony, other details and sometimes remarks. http://www.ballarathistoricalsociety.com/collection/hospitalRecords/Ballarat%20Benevolent%20Society.htm (With thanks to Brett Weinberg via the Aus-Con List. Brett is a volunteer Historical Records Archivist, Ballarat Health Services) Rhoda

Hello Wow what a wonderful group! I have been given some great moving forward points. I am going to work on this new assistance and see where I get to. Thank you again Jocelyn Harrold

Hello Jocelyn Born in Renfrew town, I am interested in reading about shipyards, foundries and industries around the Clyde. Recent posts have been interesting. Might be worth looking for clues around John's employment as a draftsman/designer with Weir Pump. Draftsmen often started out from a trade. Weir Pump, is now a big company. In Johns time he may have started out as a tradesman fitter in a shipyard or locomotive or boiler works and would have lived close to such places. Maybe did a trade at Weir Pumps, Cathcart, then moved in to a drawing office. Google in 'Weir Pumps history' and see Wikipedia entry. See poster of ad. Weir Pump made pumps for ships and locomotives and stationary boilers. A trade guild might have some record but I have no local knowledge. His 'indentures' would have been in the form of a contract with his employer so no government records for that. His father, bothers or uncles may also have worked in engineering trades eg fitters, blacksmiths, platers, riveters, etc. Maybe his father, if he too worked at Weir Pump, 'got him in' as an apprentice. Any marriage certificates may show employment type. If John's fathergot his son in to a trade there he probably lived nearby to Cathcart. A trade plus drafting experience was sufficient to become a detail draftsman but as John became a 'designer' he may have gone to a nearby college at night to gain more skill. I don't know what local college there might be except a central technical college in Glasgow itself. Not much help but some things to keep in mind. Maybe others can expand on this. Robert Campbell in Brisbane

Hi I found Samuel and his family in the census in 1901 and 1891 1901 GRAHAM, Samuel Head Married M 41 1860 Bookkeeper & Secretary Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, Joan Wife Married F 36 1865 Busby, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, Willie Son M 11 1890 Scholar Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, John Mckichnie Son M 9 1892 Scholar Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, Samuel Son M 6 1895 Thornliebank, Renfrewshire Piece: 622 Folio: 20 Page: 10 Registration District: Shettleston Civil Parish: Glasgow Municipal Borough: Address: 2, York Terrace, Glasgow County: Lanarkshire 1891 GRAHAM, Samuel Head Married M 31 1860 Clerk (India Rubber Manufrs) Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, Joanna Wife Married F 26 1865 Busby, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, William Son M 2 1889 Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire Piece: 562 Folio: 8 Page: 29 Registration District: Eastwood Civil Parish: Eastwood Municipal Borough: Address: King Street, Eastwood, Pollokshaws County: Renfrewshire Irene

Jocelyn, SI Marriages Male S'name Graham - Given Name Samuel - F'male S'name McKechnie NO GIVEN NAME Year - Selected between 1880-1892 then reduced years until 1887 became the only year with a marriage using the above info Selected various Counties around Renfrew - Lanark was the one that verified the 1887 marriage - You will have to remember that there were changes to boundaries of Counties/Shires so not always found in the one you might think, and also depended upon where one was living to where a child may have been born. SI Births S'name Graham - Given Name John McKechnie Year - Selected between marriage year of 1887-1895 then reduced to find exact year SI Death S'name Graham - Given Name John McKechnie - No entries came up using Mother's Name details and only John so changed criteria to the 2 Given Names and NO Mother's details. As above selected between various years then reducing until the 1955 became apparent, then again selecting various Counties around Lanark, Dunbarton became the obvious place. Here again there were boundary changes around Lanark and Dunbarton. Have fun downloading... Jenny -------------------------- I can find credits for that. How did you find them? I searched, and I am a good researcher. Jocelyn On ScotlandsPeople.......... In 1887 there is a marriage between a Samuel GRAHAM + McKECHNIE in County of Lanark In 1892 there is a birth of a John McKechnie GRAHAM County of Lanark In 1955 there is a death of a John McKechnie GRAHAM in Dunbarton Sorry, didn't have any credits available to download them. Regards Jenny

Hi there Three divorce cases from The Scotsman - one of them could be yours? 12 January 1914 Evidence was led in an action of divorce by John Graham, labourer, 14 Parliamentary Road, Glasgow, against his wife, Isabella Purvis or Graham, 34 Rowchester Street, Gallowgate, Glasgow, and also against Duncan McNicol, Carter, 34 Rowchester Street, co-defender. Decree was granted on the ground of infidelity. 21 July 1926 Annie Cook or Graham, 94 Lorne Street, Kirkcaldy, against John Graham, whose present address was unknown to the pursuer. (Desertion) 4 July 1927 Mary McLellan or Graham, 438 South York Street, Glasgow, against John Graham, 544 Springburn Road, Springburn, Glasgow Kind regards, Linda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gary/ Jocelyn Harrold Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013 8:49 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Hello - researching GRAHAM in Glasgow My "brickwall" is with my great uncle John GRAHAM born (from 1901 census) abt.1892 in Pollokshaws, Renfrew. To Samuel GRAHAM and Joan(nne) McKechnie GRAHAM . He grew up, married young, divorced, married a rumored cousin Kate; she died just after the war. John GRAHAM worked for Weir Pump as a draftsman and designer, there he met his third wife Peggy (Margaret). They lived 3 St. Ronan's Drive Shawlands, Glasgow until his death ( when?) and then Peggy died around 1980. Still living in 3 St. Ronans. I am unable to find anything about this family no birth for John, no marriages, no deaths. Very frustrating and I am a good researcher. John Graham had no children with any wife. I have spent many credits searching ScotlandsPeople and have finally hired a researcher to go and physically look. Can someone give me some pointers as to where I am going wrong. This is driving me to distraction and red wine! Thank you in advance. Jocelyn Harrold ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jocelyn, Have you considered that John Graham may have been a son of Joan McKechnie and registered under her name? John

Ooopppsss! That should read McKECHNIE -----Original Message----- From: Gary/ Jocelyn Harrold Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 6:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Hello - researching GRAHAM in Glasgow My “brickwall” is with my great uncle John GRAHAM born (from 1901 census) abt.1892 in Pollokshaws, Renfrew. To Samuel GRAHAM and Joan(nne) McKechnie GRAHAM . He grew up, married young, divorced, married a rumored cousin Kate; she died just after the war. John GRAHAM worked for Weir Pump as a draftsman and designer, there he met his third wife Peggy (Margaret). They lived 3 St. Ronan’s Drive Shawlands, Glasgow until his death ( when?) and then Peggy died around 1980. Still living in 3 St. Ronans.

Jocelyn, Have you tried finding them in the 1911 Census or John in WWI Military records, Valuation Rolls for the address? On ScotlandsPeople.......... In 1887 there is a marriage between a Samuel GRAHAM + McKECHNIE in County of Lanark In 1892 there is a birth of a John McKecknie GRAHAM County of Lanark In 1955 there is a death of a John McKecknie GRAHAM in Dunbarton Sorry, didn't have any credits available to download them. Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Gary/ Jocelyn Harrold Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 6:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Hello - researching GRAHAM in Glasgow My “brickwall” is with my great uncle John GRAHAM born (from 1901 census) abt.1892 in Pollokshaws, Renfrew. To Samuel GRAHAM and Joan(nne) McKechnie GRAHAM . He grew up, married young, divorced, married a rumored cousin Kate; she died just after the war. John GRAHAM worked for Weir Pump as a draftsman and designer, there he met his third wife Peggy (Margaret). They lived 3 St. Ronan’s Drive Shawlands, Glasgow until his death ( when?) and then Peggy died around 1980. Still living in 3 St. Ronans. I am unable to find anything about this family no birth for John, no marriages, no deaths. Very frustrating and I am a good researcher. John Graham had no children with any wife. I have spent many credits searching ScotlandsPeople and have finally hired a researcher to go and physically look. Can someone give me some pointers as to where I am going wrong. This is driving me to distraction and red wine! Thank you in advance. Jocelyn Harrold

Jocelyn, I have been watching this string from the side, because of a slight coincidence of names. Now with this info my ears have perked up. Do you know where Samuel was born, or who were his parents, or any other family connections? I have a very large Graham family who came from Ireland in early 1840s to Pollokshaws and Thornliebank. Most of them then went to Ontario later in the 40s but my lot stayed. I do not have a Samuel in my data who would fit, but it is a family name. My mob frequently lied to the census man and denied their Irish background, saying they were born in Pollokshaws. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Irene Macleod Sent: 26-Oct-13 2:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Hello - researching GRAHAM in Glasgow Hi I found Samuel and his family in the census in 1901 and 1891 1901 GRAHAM, Samuel Head Married M 41 1860 Bookkeeper & Secretary Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, Joan Wife Married F 36 1865 Busby, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, Willie Son M 11 1890 Scholar Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, John Mckichnie Son M 9 1892 Scholar Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, Samuel Son M 6 1895 Thornliebank, Renfrewshire Piece: 622 Folio: 20 Page: 10 Registration District: Shettleston Civil Parish: Glasgow Municipal Borough: Address: 2, York Terrace, Glasgow County: Lanarkshire 1891 GRAHAM, Samuel Head Married M 31 1860 Clerk (India Rubber Manufrs) Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, Joanna Wife Married F 26 1865 Busby, Renfrewshire GRAHAM, William Son M 2 1889 Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire Piece: 562 Folio: 8 Page: 29 Registration District: Eastwood Civil Parish: Eastwood Municipal Borough: Address: King Street, Eastwood, Pollokshaws County: Renfrewshire Irene -------------------------------

My “brickwall” is with my great uncle John GRAHAM born (from 1901 census) abt.1892 in Pollokshaws, Renfrew. To Samuel GRAHAM and Joan(nne) McKechnie GRAHAM . He grew up, married young, divorced, married a rumored cousin Kate; she died just after the war. John GRAHAM worked for Weir Pump as a draftsman and designer, there he met his third wife Peggy (Margaret). They lived 3 St. Ronan’s Drive Shawlands, Glasgow until his death ( when?) and then Peggy died around 1980. Still living in 3 St. Ronans. I am unable to find anything about this family no birth for John, no marriages, no deaths. Very frustrating and I am a good researcher. John Graham had no children with any wife. I have spent many credits searching ScotlandsPeople and have finally hired a researcher to go and physically look. Can someone give me some pointers as to where I am going wrong. This is driving me to distraction and red wine! Thank you in advance. Jocelyn Harrold

Dear Anne, I have been doing that for years. Unfortunately there has been no John McArthur with his Parents and I have on many occasions tried to find him him both the 1851 and 1841 census against the 1861 census as that would have singled him out as he was ove in Tasmania by 1857. They left the Clyde 15th December 1856 and arrived here March 1857. I more or less narrowed it down to about 6 but still no conclusion as to which one. Not as easy as it sounds beleive me. I have tried several avenues in Tasmania to see if there was a document that gives a birth date which would have narrowed it down completely but no such luck. Documents here say Scotland, but not where in Scotland. Yes there are Johns with parents Duncan and Margaret, but not Margaret Smith and they have been the wrong ones anyway. thanks for your reply Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <[email protected]> To: "Edie" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] John and Christian Stevenson of Cambuslang >> John McArthur was born c1828 as aged 28 is on the marriage certificate. >> Father >> Duncan, Mother Margaret Smith. > > You need to find him in the 1851 census, because that will tell you which > parish he was born in, and it would probably help to find him in the 1841 > first, because at the age of 12/13 you could expect him to be living with > his parents (though some boys did go into service as young as this). > > What was his occupation, and what was his father's occupation, and were > his parents still living at the time of his marriage? Who were the > witnesses at the marriage - could one of them have been a brother or > sister? > > When did John and Isabella leave Scotland for Tasmania? If they left after > the 1861 census, you might find them together in that census. > > Using that information, try a search at > http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl > > However FreeCEN does not yet cover all counties and all years, and you may > not find him that way. If not, go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and search > there - it's more versatile because you can put in the names of other > people in the same household to narrow a search, but is a pay-per-view > site. > > Someone with access to one of the other transcription sites might be kind > enough to look for him, but as always with any transcription you need to > check its accuracy by looking at the original on > www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk . > > You have a bit of work to do to find him, but it should be possible if not > easy. > > Anne > > > >

Hi Does anyone have the Stevensons of Cam buslang in their familiies please. John and Christain were married in Camuslang in 182. I think they were both born there. Our line was Is bella Stevenson bon in 1830 in Cambusland and she married Jhn mcArthur 2 December 1856 at Cambuslang. She had been working in Cathcart as was he prior to marraige. Have no idea as yet where John was born in Scotland but they both died over in Tasmania. John in 1910 and Isabella in 1914. hav details of Tasmanian side. John was born c1828 as aged 28 is on the marraige certiificate. Father Duncan, Mother Margaret Smith. thsnks Edie

> John McArthur was born c1828 as aged 28 is on the marriage > certificate. Father > Duncan, Mother Margaret Smith. You need to find him in the 1851 census, because that will tell you which parish he was born in, and it would probably help to find him in the 1841 first, because at the age of 12/13 you could expect him to be living with his parents (though some boys did go into service as young as this). What was his occupation, and what was his father's occupation, and were his parents still living at the time of his marriage? Who were the witnesses at the marriage - could one of them have been a brother or sister? When did John and Isabella leave Scotland for Tasmania? If they left after the 1861 census, you might find them together in that census. Using that information, try a search at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl However FreeCEN does not yet cover all counties and all years, and you may not find him that way. If not, go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and search there - it's more versatile because you can put in the names of other people in the same household to narrow a search, but is a pay-per-view site. Someone with access to one of the other transcription sites might be kind enough to look for him, but as always with any transcription you need to check its accuracy by looking at the original on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk . You have a bit of work to do to find him, but it should be possible if not easy. Anne

Perhaps this was a way to add tax if you had a radio. Also it was a way to check who could send and receive messages. http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=220229 On Sun 13/10/13 3:00 AM , [email protected] sent: > > > > > PLEASE NOTE > > > > When replying to a digest message, please quote only the specific portion > or message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from > your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it > coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Radio Set: 1930 Census heading (Maisie Egger) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:06:05 -0700 > > From: "Maisie Egger" ca > [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] Radio Set: 1930 Census heading > > To: [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > The print is very small on the Williston Park Village, Nassau County, N.Y. > 1930 census. It seems as if the heading is Radio Set, and a capital R > indicated for those homeowners who had a radio set. I wonder what the > significance was for this category in 1930 . > > > Only two neighbours out of 14 houses indicated that they did not have a > radio set. They appear to be American-born, so presumably there would be > no problem with the English language. Three residents, also with a radio > set, were born in Scotland, one in Germany and one in Austria (my husband?s > father; though he indicated he was born in Illinois, was actually born in > Austria, so you can?t believe what you read on a census!). > > > I just thought this was the oddest thing that owning a radio set would be > important enough to be a heading on a census. Was there a reason, such as > in Britain where one pays a t.v. tax? Were radios taxed then? My husband > said that many radios were built into substantial looking pieces of > furniture ?back then?. > > > The 1940 census for the same street/district made no mention of a radio > set; however, the demographics had changed a little with two from Norway, > three from Germany and one from Scotland. The woman from Germany would > listen to Hitler on the radio whilst her Norwegian neighbour would go off > her rocker and they would have a verbal set-to, according to my husband who > was just a young boy at the time. > > > The German woman?s husband had fought with the German army in WWI, but had > no use for Hitler, whilst his son joined the U.S.Navy, much to his mother?s > great annoyance. > > > Now this was right before the U.S. entered WWII, and so I don?t know if the > German woman toned down the rhetoric, as they say. > > > You can learn a lot from a census, particularly if they are ?topical? and > there are those still around who remember neighbours and can fill in some > background and history. > > > Maisie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the LANARK list administrator, send an email to > > LAN > [email protected] > > > To post a message to the LANARK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > otsweb.com. > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to L > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 174 > > ************************************** > > > > > >

Hi Maisie Yes *had to* but like all questions there was no checking done to verify if it was a true statement The instructions actually state that if the informant does not know the exact income they should give the approximate income as best as they know it The later census have become simpler and less obtrusive as the civil liberty bods get up in arms if they ask some questions, they do like the sound of their own voice though and will question every mortal thing just because they like to make life difficult for everyone else Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/10/2013 21:12, Maisie Egger wrote: > Ah-ha. > Looked up the US Census for 1970 and apparently one HAD to state one’s > income...scroll down to #40. > https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/items1970.shtml > However, I don’t remember answering so many questions otherwise. Other > censuses in previous and subsequent years seemed less complicated, and > certainly the ones online or by mail in recent times are very simple. > Future family researches will be disappointed at the paucity of > information, therefore. > Maisie

Hi Maisie You would be surprised what you can find with a bit of googleing <g> The income question was a valid on for 1970 See <https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/items1970.shtml> I would suggest that it was a rather pointless question to ask as many people would have distrusted the motives for it being asked and gave a made up answer, I doubt they learned much by asking it The statisticians have various formulae to extrapolate results, knowing that some false information was likely, but I suspect this one even foxed them I would imagine all they learned was that some people earned money but as to how much? thats another question entirely At present it is still up in the air as to whether we have another census in England/Wales at least, they say they can find the information required for the census from other sources, as they do not seem to have a clue who is in the Country they may have a point Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/10/2013 20:10, Maisie Egger wrote: > Nivard, > > A tiny bit more on census enumerations: > > Forty or so years ago when we lived north of where we now live in > California, the census enumerator INSISTED I had to tell her what my > husband's income was as it was the LAW. I had balked at divulging this > information as I thought it was even more an invasion of privacy. I > have never seen anyone's income listed on a census before, but maybe > such is "required" in more recent censuses. I should go on Google to > have a look at the census forms for California for the last few decades. > > I wish I could get a copy of this California census for around 1970 to > see if incomes were recorded. > > The last time there was a census here we filled in a form and mailed it. > There was no visit by a human enumerator, in other words. > > With the immigration laws now on the hopper for review and change, one > wonders what the next census forms will include. > > > > Maisie

Hi Maisie The thing to remember with all census, is that they were not compiled for *us* but for the government of the day And that many people either distrusted the people asking the questions or simply didn't understand what was being asked of them Some gave bare faced lies, some bent them a little and some said yes when they should have said no Unless the enumerator knew otherwise the information offered (verbally in the US and on paper in the UK) was taken as given, no checks were made to ensure the veracity of the statements If Fred said he was a divorced brain surgeon and had 15 kids, thats what was entered on the enumerators returns In short, don't believe all you read in the census pages Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/10/2013 19:00, Maisie Egger wrote: > Thanks, Nivard, > > The sample censuses did not match the ones I have for 1930 and 1940, but > with much squinting and with the help of a magnifying glass I managed to > make out most of the headings. > > Being a Nosey Parker I was interested in the column headed Ages of First > Marriage, but there was not a column to indicate subsequent marriages! > > One column I could not quite understand in the 1940 census was "Attended > school or college and time since March 1937 (Yes or No)".

Ah-ha. Looked up the US Census for 1970 and apparently one HAD to state one’s income...scroll down to #40. https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/items1970.shtml However, I don’t remember answering so many questions otherwise. Other censuses in previous and subsequent years seemed less complicated, and certainly the ones online or by mail in recent times are very simple. Future family researches will be disappointed at the paucity of information, therefore. Maisie