I just watched this video thanks to Maisie Egger and Gail Leonardo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcKTCx-MwZU My people came to Canada in the 1830's from Lanarkshire, Scotland. Thank you for posting the link: Question: What are the tall hedge row pink flowers on one of the walkways? Catt 1. Re: LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 182 (Gail Leonardo) 2. Re: LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 182 (Maisie Egger)

Hi Only back to the 6th century?? At one point there was an online tree which took my line back to 400BC ...and one otherwise intelligent 'cousin' wondered if it might be true. I eventually tracked down the lady who'd put it up and she admitted she'd just taken stuff from various sites and made it fit. Unfortunately there was one major problem .....one (alleged) umpteenth gt grandfather had died in 1679 but his son wasn't born till 1690. Pity about that <LOL> Irene

Well, knowin' nuttin' about nuttin', I did go to Google where reference is given as rhododendrons also being indigenous to Australia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhododendron ME again -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 11:16 AM To: 'Maisie Egger' ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 183 Just for the record, rhodos are not indigenous to Australia. Small indigenous ones are found all across mountainous areas of the northern half of the northern hemisphere but the really big, colourful ones originally came from the Himalayan Mountains. They LOVE the climate in Scotland and Ireland! Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: 3-Nov-13 10:49 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 183 Catt, Most likely the tall flowering shrubs are rhododendrons which surprisingly grow almost like weeds in the Scottish climate considering where the shrub has its roots, so to speak, Australia, Asia, etc.. This evergreen shrub is invasive and generally it is found along the roadways where they reach some height, or on large estates, seldom in an "ordinary" person's garden. The flowers come in various colours, white to deep pink.

Just for the record, rhodos are not indigenous to Australia. Small indigenous ones are found all across mountainous areas of the northern half of the northern hemisphere but the really big, colourful ones originally came from the Himalayan Mountains. They LOVE the climate in Scotland and Ireland! Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: 3-Nov-13 10:49 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 183 Catt, Most likely the tall flowering shrubs are rhododendrons which surprisingly grow almost like weeds in the Scottish climate considering where the shrub has its roots, so to speak, Australia, Asia, etc.. This evergreen shrub is invasive and generally it is found along the roadways where they reach some height, or on large estates, seldom in an "ordinary" person's garden. The flowers come in various colours, white to deep pink.

Catt, Most likely the tall flowering shrubs are rhododendrons which surprisingly grow almost like weeds in the Scottish climate considering where the shrub has its roots, so to speak, Australia, Asia, etc.. This evergreen shrub is invasive and generally it is found along the roadways where they reach some height, or on large estates, seldom in an "ordinary" person's garden. The flowers come in various colours, white to deep pink. Back in antediluvian wartime and post-war Britain, no one had cars, and so offices and companies would arrange for bus tours, generally "mystery tours," where you never knew where you were going. Within a mile or two of Glasgow the first indication we were out in the country would be the massive growth/arrays of rhododendrons on each side of the road as we headed mostly toward Perth (appropriately a Pictish-Gaelic word for wood or copse). As an an aside, if going over to the Land o' Cakes for a holiday, certainly do not miss Glasgow, a wonderfully vibrant city which is trying to shed its depressing industrial image, then Lanarkshire, with so many market gardens, and then, of course very historical Perth/Perthshire, with some of the loveliest scenery in all of Scotland. Genealogically speaking, the demographics in Scotland would lead one to believe that Perth, as an example, is more "Scottish" with 87% from Scotland. The unemployment rate is low which must surely lead to a lower death rate. Just in case I get carried away with all such demographics, for sometimes too wet and damp a climate, Scotland does boast some wonderful flora...with Glasgow being voted the friendliest place! Maisie To learn a little more go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhododendron -----Original Message----- From: Catt Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 9:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 183 I just watched this video thanks to Maisie Egger and Gail Leonardo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcKTCx-MwZU My people came to Canada in the 1830's from Lanarkshire, Scotland. Thank you for posting the link: Question: What are the tall hedge row pink flowers on one of the walkways? Catt 1. Re: LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 182 (Gail Leonardo) 2. Re: LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 182 (Maisie Egger) ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

 Hi Maisie and list, This reminds me of an entry on Family Search where someone claims to be descended from the ancient god of thunder Thor. His wife's name?-wait for it-MRS  Thor. Annie Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger" To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:07:09 -0700 Subject:[Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hello, all, How do I keep my “cool?” When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England).

Dear Maisie, I don't often respond but I had to in this case.  I can trace my lineage all the way back.  It was sheer luck.  My William Penman married Janet Iset in 1774 in Tulliallan, Perth. " William Penman of Airth Parish and Janet Izat of this - married 4 Nov".  Janet was baptised in 1755 to Willliam Izatt and Janet Coult in Tulliallan.  They were a mining family and their monuments can be seen in the Tulliallan churchyard with the miner's hammer on them.  They also tended to move around because of that.  Towns frequented by mining families were Tulliallan, Alloa, Airth, and Larbert.  I assume Janet Izat and William Penman knew of each other due to Janet's uncle Andrew marrying Isobel Jack from Airth.  Janet's mother Isobel Coult was baptised 1736 to Thomas Coult or Colt and Isobel Steuart.  Isobel's father was Walter Steuart and his grandfather was James Steuart who left quite a notable will in which he parsimoniously leaves token money to all his children who were now living in Tulliallan.  He was of the Episcopalian faith and his children had become Covenanters.  He was the changekeeper at Bridge of Allan and back in 1900 a lady named Katherine Steuart wrote a book called By Allan Water which was endorsed by a professor at the University of Edinburgh.  In that book she traces the Steuarts back to the illegitimate children of Alexander Steuart, Bishop of Scone and second son of James II.  I think she used land leases because the names have "died before" on them.  The land concerned was a farm at the crook of the Almond River just down from Scone.  They called the land "Rome" because they found a Roman encampment on it.  The family were known as the "Paips of Rome" because of the land and their questionable birth.  So, all in all, sheer luck that somebody wrote a book back in 1900. I've also traced another side of my family down using witnesses at baptisms and found myself with Henry Frazer, Ross Herald as an ancestor.  My several great grandfathers Charles Frazer died a miner but was christened with  George Innes, King's Trumpeter as a witness.  His father, James Frazer was a merchant and principal servitor to the Earl of Cassillis (which is why they ended up in Ayrshire and then Greenock).  James Norie, the famous Scottish painter was the sponsor at his baptism in the parents' absence.  His father, also called James had George Porteous, heraldic painter and Marchmount Herald as his baptism as his father was Henry Frazer, Ross Herald and half brother to George Porteous.  Charles' mother was Mary Masterton and from her I can trace back to Bruces of Airth and Clackmannan.  Firstly, I think it depends on which side of the country you come from.  I have had absolutely no luck tracing anyone on the west coast.  My Ayrshire lines (except for Charles Frazer) all end in the 1770's.  The lines that I have been able to trace all came from around the Edinburgh area or along the Firth.  The other thing to remember is that it was entirely possible to go from riches to rags in one generation between 1650 and 1710 especially when the monarchy moved south followed by the Parliament.  A whole middle/upper class of people in Edinburgh suddenly found there was nobody to buy their wares or use their services.  Court offices existed with nothing to do as the king was in London but they had to be maintained in case he came back for a visit.  In desperation, a lot of people invested in the Darien Adventure to found a colony in Panama.  That bankrupted the country. Keep plugging.  As somebody mentioned - we're all descended from Edward III. Elizabeth Russon ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:07:09 -0700 From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> Subject: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8" Hello, all, How do I keep my ?cool?? When I pooh-pooh a friends? claims that he?s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it.  It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint).    Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome.  She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England).  Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland:  Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line.  Really! We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland;  St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!).  There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny.  The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate.  My friend is trying to tell me he?s from this St. David.  Really again! All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this ?stuff,? and better yet, where does he find the documentation?  He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does one?s family tree.  My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a ?reincarnated? royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. When he trots out all this ?stuff,? I do become irked as I?m not sure whether he is being na?ve in swallowing all these ?facts,? or if he actually believes them.  He is a brilliant person otherwise.  The farthest back I?ve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were the English, with  the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s.  I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I haven?t found documentation of such as yet. How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I can?t even find my great-great-grandfather?s father when he was born in the 1790s?  Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife.  In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public.  YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales.  Groan!!! Maisie ------------------------------

Your best friend here is a lot of research. There are such things as valid royal lineages. I actually have one or two. The rest turned out to be bunk. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Perkes Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 4:37 PM To: Newsgroup Lanarkshire Subject: Re: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hi Maisie, Someone researching some of the same lines in my mother's family assured me that my maternal ancestors can be traced to Odo of Bayeux (clearly illustrated in the tapestry of Bayeux and half-brother of William the Conquerer) and furthermore, to a Roman senator, circa 45 B.C.E.!!! As for the Caithness and Sutherland ancestors of my Lanark ancestors, I guess some of them could have come from Norway, but I don't have any male relatives who could test for DNA to confirm that. In the end, I agree with Don about enjoying an aperitif. :-) Carolyn On 2013-11-02, at 1:07 PM, Maisie Egger wrote: > Hello, all, > > How do I keep my “cool?” > > When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and > queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove > it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related > to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the > family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she > married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the > only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the > religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to > those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. > > She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days > after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed > at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). > > Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become > kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 > 1124-1153. > > It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called > royal line. Really! > > We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to > David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales > (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of > England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each > with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. > David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google > that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. > The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is > assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have > been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me he’s from this St. David. > Really again! > > All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to > ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this “stuff,” and > better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the > LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one > does one’s family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with > not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a “reincarnated” > royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. > > When he trots out all this “stuff,” I do become irked as I’m not sure > whether he is being naïve in swallowing all these “facts,” or if he > actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest > back I’ve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were > the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in > Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly > from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s. > I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I haven’t > found documentation of such as yet. > > How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I can’t > even find my great-great-grandfather’s father when he was born in the > 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little > book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this > great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book > apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it > apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be > accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that > he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fie, Fie, Fei, Fei, Fo, Fo, Fum, My old ancestor should have sucked his thumb. The apple he ate he shouldn't have touched, Cause the Big Fella up there turned into a grouch ;-)       From: Carolyn Perkes <[email protected]> To: Newsgroup Lanarkshire <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hi Maisie, Someone researching some of the same lines in my mother's family assured me that my maternal ancestors can be traced to Odo of Bayeux (clearly illustrated in the tapestry of Bayeux and half-brother of William the Conquerer) and furthermore, to a Roman senator, circa 45 B.C.E.!!! As for the Caithness and Sutherland ancestors of my Lanark ancestors, I guess some of them could have come from Norway, but I don't have any male relatives who could test for DNA to confirm that. In the end, I agree with Don about enjoying an aperitif. :-) Carolyn On 2013-11-02, at 1:07 PM, Maisie Egger wrote: > Hello, all, > > How do I keep my “cool?” > > When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it.  It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint).    Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome.  She was canonised 1250. > > She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England).  > > Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland:  Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. > > It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line.  Really! > > We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland;  St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!).  There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny.  The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate.  My friend is trying to tell me he’s from this St. David.  Really again! > > All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this “stuff,” and better yet, where does he find the documentation?  He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does one’s family tree.  My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a “reincarnated” royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. > > When he trots out all this “stuff,” I do become irked as I’m not sure whether he is being naïve in swallowing all these “facts,” or if he actually believes them.  He is a brilliant person otherwise.  The farthest back I’ve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were the English, with  the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s.  I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I haven’t found documentation of such as yet. > > How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I can’t even find my great-great-grandfather’s father when he was born in the 1790s?  Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife.  In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public.  YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales.  Groan!!! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Hi Maisie, Someone researching some of the same lines in my mother's family assured me that my maternal ancestors can be traced to Odo of Bayeux (clearly illustrated in the tapestry of Bayeux and half-brother of William the Conquerer) and furthermore, to a Roman senator, circa 45 B.C.E.!!! As for the Caithness and Sutherland ancestors of my Lanark ancestors, I guess some of them could have come from Norway, but I don't have any male relatives who could test for DNA to confirm that. In the end, I agree with Don about enjoying an aperitif. :-) Carolyn On 2013-11-02, at 1:07 PM, Maisie Egger wrote: > Hello, all, > > How do I keep my “cool?” > > When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. > > She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). > > Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. > > It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line. Really! > > We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me he’s from this St. David. Really again! > > All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this “stuff,” and better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does one’s family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a “reincarnated” royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. > > When he trots out all this “stuff,” I do become irked as I’m not sure whether he is being naïve in swallowing all these “facts,” or if he actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest back I’ve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s. I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I haven’t found documentation of such as yet. > > How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I can’t even find my great-great-grandfather’s father when he was born in the 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone needs a glass or two of wine and move on. I trust your kingly friend does not have a family to carry on the tradition. And, as for that mysterious book you have two options. Go to Edinburgh or hire a professional researcher. Btw Maisie, my line goes back to Gorg some 40,231 years ago in northern Spain. He was an accountant married to Sheila and lived in a flat. Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hello, all, How do I keep my cool? When I pooh-pooh a friends claims that hes descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line. Really! We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me hes from this St. David. Really again! All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this stuff, and better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does ones family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a reincarnated royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. When he trots out all this stuff, I do become irked as Im not sure whether he is being nave in swallowing all these facts, or if he actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest back Ive landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s. I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I havent found documentation of such as yet. How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I cant even find my great-great-grandfathers father when he was born in the 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie and list Well, since your friend dates back to Adam and Eve almost - there really should be no problem with me connecting to Macbeth - right:)? I see there is a haplo whatever out there for him - has anyone done a DNA test for scottish ancestry on this list? If so which company did u use? Thanks Marcella Shames On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:27 PM, "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> wrote: > To make allowances for him maybe he was tuppence ha’penny of the shilling, or else he was putting everyone on. > > From: Bill Annie & Liam Stuart > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:17 PM > To: Maisie Egger > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! > > Hi Maisie and list, > > This reminds me of an entry on Family Search where someone claims to be descended from the ancient god of thunder Thor. > > His wife's name?-wait for it-MRS Thor. > > Annie Stuart > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> > > To: > <[email protected]> > > Cc: > > Sent: > Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:07:09 -0700 > > Subject: > [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! > > > Hello, all, > > How do I keep my “cool?” > > When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. > > She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To make allowances for him maybe he was tuppence ha’penny of the shilling, or else he was putting everyone on. From: Bill Annie & Liam Stuart Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:17 PM To: Maisie Egger Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hi Maisie and list, This reminds me of an entry on Family Search where someone claims to be descended from the ancient god of thunder Thor. His wife's name?-wait for it-MRS Thor. Annie Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:07:09 -0700 Subject: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hello, all, How do I keep my “cool?” When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England).

Hi, Maisie-- What a coincidence! I'm descended from that lot as well. I don't have any documentation, of course, but given that the number of ancestors I have that far back exceeds the population of the world at that time by many, many times, it seems a reasonable inference. As for the documentation--all you have to do is connect to someone somewhere who has a title. It was a habit for monarchs when they were short of cash to grant titles to rich supporters (sometimes against their will). These supporters would then have to go to the pedigree monger down the street to cobble together a plausible family tree, so they could show they really, really deserved such an award and it wasn't just because of their generosity to the king. You can tell your friend that in all likelihood he's descended not only from St. David but from Odin. Odin is the endpoint of many royal pedigrees. I'm not sure of what documentation you'd find for that, but maybe it's on Scotland's People. :-) As for keeping your cool--when you consider your friend, just think of a potato. You know, the vegetable that has the best part under the earth? Jim Polson Vancouver > Hello, all, > > How do I keep my "cool?" > > When I pooh-pooh a friendsŽ claims that heŽs descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland whe she married th rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. > > She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). > > Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. > > It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line. Really! > > We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me heTMs from this St. David. Really again! > > All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this "stuff," and better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does oneŽs family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a oereincarnated royal living in a pseudo astle..anything but. > > When he trots out all this "stuff," I do become irked as IŽm not sure whether he is being naïve in swallowing all these "facts," or if he actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest back IŽve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and hey were the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgw in te early 1800s, whilst te Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south o the nglish border, surface in the early 1700s. I mean, their roots have to go back and back, o course, but I havenTMt found documentation of such as yet. > > How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I canŽt even find my great-great-grandfatherŽs father when he was born in the 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparetly has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! > > Maisie

Hello, all, How do I keep my “cool?” When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line. Really! We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me he’s from this St. David. Really again! All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this “stuff,” and better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does one’s family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a “reincarnated” royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. When he trots out all this “stuff,” I do become irked as I’m not sure whether he is being naïve in swallowing all these “facts,” or if he actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest back I’ve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s. I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I haven’t found documentation of such as yet. How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I can’t even find my great-great-grandfather’s father when he was born in the 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! Maisie

Hello, Gail, I'm glad that you enjoyed the little tour around the west end of Glasgow. If you go to YOUTUBE, there's also one of the East End of Glasgow, where you might find the Glesga patter (Glasgow speech pattern) somewhat difficult to comprehend, and this from a Glaswegian! It depends on the presenter who can be more comprehensible than others. I am sure that Glasgow is no different than other big cities (at least in the U.K.) where there are many dialects within a city. Where I grew up one side of the street was definitely working class, where tradesmen and unskilled labourers in heavy industry lived. Right across the street office workers, owners of small shops and skilled workers in light industry also lived in houses not too much different from "across the street." The houses were "scheme houses" --- or council housing--- built as a result of Glasgow's massive rehousing efforts after WWI. As both types of housing "belonged" to Glasgow Corporation, there was little class distinction on that score. (If you want to see what some "scheme houses" look like, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by6-xw_LntY ) This YOUTUBE video of Corporation housing is a sample of some "regeneration." The flat roofed houses in Penilee were for economic reasons and were not common throughout the rest of Glasgow. On the one side of the street where the tradesmen and unskilled workers lived, the men usually wore the "bunnet," or cloth cap, whereas on the other side of the street men wore a soft hat. For church and for funerals, bowler hats were the headgear du jour for many men. Our office worker neighbour was an elder in the kirk and at his wife's funeral he wore a top hat and tails...this during the war years, which would be an anachronism nowadays, when church elders (even in some mainline churches where we live in California) might not even wear a suit on Communion Sundays. Much of Glasgow, which was once considered to be the finest Victorian city in U.K., is no more. As with much regeneration some of the buildings that were architecturally interesting have made way for modern structures. As a wee office lassie I knew the centre of Glasgow like the palm of my hand, so it is with dismay that when I go back home I see many of the former, substantial red sandstone buildings demolished to be replaced by faceless glass buildings. For any wishing to get a feel of Glasgow, visit soon before the city tries to be the most modern city in Europe which was the goal back in the 1960s before a huge storm caused so much destruction and the city had to put its grandiose plans on hold. In my opinion, the notion is still there as now you see it now you don't where too many fine old buildings are concerned. On this, of course, Glasgow has to be commended for erasing off the face of the earth some of the worst housing in Europe. Back to the video of the other end of Glasgow: With heavy industry, the great Clyde shipyards, locomotive building, steel works, etc., now more or less defunct, "class distinction," seems to be waning. However, one's speech pattern will give you away most of the time! Maisie (Deprived of elocution to take the edge off. I'm still Glesga even after almost 60 years away from that Dear Green Place aka Glasgow!) From: Gail Leonardo Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 182 Thank you Maisie for this great video - it was wonderful to see! I look forward to the day I get to go to Scotland to see it all first hand as I truly look forward to seeing where my Anderson ancestors came from - it will be a dream come true. Although I don't know exactly where they lived, all I know is it was Barony/Lanarkshire - just being there will be enough for me! Thanks again, Gail Anderson Leonardo > > > > This link takes you to Glasgow?s West end: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcKTCx-MwZU >

Thank you Maisie for this great video - it was wonderful to see! I look forward to the day I get to go to Scotland to see it all first hand as I truly look forward to seeing where my Anderson ancestors came from - it will be a dream come true. Although I don't know exactly where they lived, all I know is it was Barony/Lanarkshire - just being there will be enough for me! Thanks again, Gail Anderson Leonardo > > On Thu 31/10/13 3:00 AM , [email protected] sent: > 1. Glasgow's West End (Maisie Egger) > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:43:16 -0700 > From: "Maisie Egger" ca > [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] Glasgow's West End > To: [email protected]> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > This link takes you to Glasgow?s West end: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcKTCx-MwZU > The walking tour includes a view of Park Circus where it used to be > possible to do genealogy research. This comment, however: > :Just to let you all know, the Park Circus Genealogy Centre - run by the > City Registrar will be relocated to the 3rd Floor of the Mitchell Library > from 22/03/2011. > There will be 20 terminals available for use - the centre will operate as > it currently does at Park Circus ie seats need to be reserved and first > come first served basis. No mention of change in Fees but she didn't have > all the details to hand > It's been a long time coming, but at last we will have everything under one > roof.::: > Maisie

Hi all. I have been trying to track James Dobbie who died in WW1 in 1916, France, one of the Fromelles burials.. Am trying to find which family he came from. Grateful for any guidance. Its quite a brick wall. According to his war record (Australian) the following "facts" are known. he was 40 years and five months when he signed up in July 1915. And he was born in Glasgow. His occupation was marine fireman (stoker?) His next of kin was a friend Arthur Horsefield of Sydney, so presume he had no family in Aus. I think I tracked him arriving as a crew man in Sydney in 1901. I looked in the 1881 census, thinking I could pick him out and tracked the most obvious candidate, born in Glasgow, though Scotlands People, but found he died in Slamannan in 1944. So perhaps my James was older than 40ish. Happy to be directed to any resources regards Marg Port Stephens NSW

I hope there are copies of these files in other places too, in case of disaster. I hope it is on High Land vs. Flooding. Catt On Thu 31/10/13 3:00 AM , [email protected] sent: 1. Glasgow's West End (Maisie Egger) Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:43:16 -0700 From: "Maisie Egger" ca [email protected]> Subject: [Lanark] Glasgow's West End To: [email protected]> Message-ID: [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" This link takes you to Glasgow?s West end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcKTCx-MwZU The walking tour includes a view of Park Circus where it used to be possible to do genealogy research. This comment, however: :Just to let you all know, the Park Circus Genealogy Centre - run by the City Registrar will be relocated to the 3rd Floor of the Mitchell Library from 22/03/2011. There will be 20 terminals available for use - the centre will operate as it currently does at Park Circus ie seats need to be reserved and first come first served basis. No mention of change in Fees but she didn't have all the details to hand It's been a long time coming, but at last we will have everything under one roof.::: Maisie

This link takes you to Glasgow’s West end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcKTCx-MwZU The walking tour includes a view of Park Circus where it used to be possible to do genealogy research. This comment, however: :::Just to let you all know, the Park Circus Genealogy Centre - run by the City Registrar will be relocated to the 3rd Floor of the Mitchell Library from 22/03/2011. There will be 20 terminals available for use - the centre will operate as it currently does at Park Circus ie seats need to be reserved and first come first served basis. No mention of change in Fees but she didn't have all the details to hand It's been a long time coming, but at last we will have everything under one roof.::: Maisie