Good morning from Canada, I would appreciate some help. My great uncle Adam Morris Chalmers died in Edinburgh 9 August 1969, his wife Sarah Low Noble died in Edinburgh 13 May 1941, that was the date the death was registered. I was in Scotland and went to the Library in hopes of looking for their death notices. I signed up, then finally spoke to someone who told me it would take 24 hours to order the films for that date, unfortunately I had to get back on the bus. I would love to know if they had any children, have tried Scotsland people and think there was a son named Robert but unable to confirm the fact. Merry Christmas to all Heather Umelas

It's not unusual for an illegitimate child to be known by its father's name, even when the father's name is not on the birth certificate. The absence of a father on a birth certificate doesn't mean that the father's identity was unknown, just that the father did not accompany the mother when she went to register the birth. Similarly, there was nothing to prevent anyone choosing to be know by his/her mother's surname, and that too is not uncommon, even when the child was registered under its father's name. It's also quite common to find an unmarried woman with two or three children with different surnames, and even more common to find an older couple with a string of illegitimate grandchildren, some with their mothers' surnames and some with their fathers'. It doesn't necessarily imply anything peculiar. Anne ________________________________ From: PAUL HARDIE <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013, 9:36 Subject: [Lanark] Can anyone help with this query Hi folks, I have came across a marriage cert which has a male down as the father but who has a different surname to the male getting married. The male getting married is a Kemp who's father had died several years previously but the person down as the father on the marriage cert is a MacDonald where as his mother is still down as a Kemp. Also I have been unable to find any more info on the MacDonald as he does not turn up on the next Census Can anyone tell me why this person would be on the marriage cert as the father when he is not the original father of the male and the mother has still retained her married name from her dead husband which looks like she has not married the person who is down as the father. Also the mother is not down on the cert as a widow so this is realy confusing me.Im sorry if this sounds confusing but its something I have never come across before. Many thanks and a merry Xmas to all when it comes. Paul...                           ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Janet, we have all the Aussie records, need to look further back to Scotland to find a male line, and then work forward again, probably all in Scotland. It's a brick wall at this stage. regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW [email protected] also [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Janet Wilson Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:56 PM To: marg o'leary ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] John Walker m Isobel Warnock Glasgow abt 1830 Hello Marg, There is a web site for the Metropolitan Cemetries Board, Perth Western Australia which has good records, that might be helpful. I did see a William Walker who would have been born in about 1838, but didn't spend too long on it. It might be possible to find something on the National Archives of Australia World War 1 records too, but this might be difficult as the search won't be for the father, rather the son. I haven't checked to see how many records there are to look through, but as I think through this, this one might be just too difficult. Good luck with the search. Regards, Janet. -----Original Message----- From: marg o'leary Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] John Walker m Isobel Warnock Glasgow abt 1830 Hi all, looking for some help re offspring of this couple. We know of one son William who migrated to Perth WA in 1855. He was a 16 year old who went alone. I have checked Family search but nothing pops up, nor does Ancestry give any hints. I am checking the census but again the names are very common. William was the father of a soldier who died at Fromelles in WW1. To look for matching family members we have to go back to William's parents and start from there. Grateful for any suggestions regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW [email protected] also [email protected] ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marg, There is a web site for the Metropolitan Cemetries Board, Perth Western Australia which has good records, that might be helpful. I did see a William Walker who would have been born in about 1838, but didn't spend too long on it. It might be possible to find something on the National Archives of Australia World War 1 records too, but this might be difficult as the search won't be for the father, rather the son. I haven't checked to see how many records there are to look through, but as I think through this, this one might be just too difficult. Good luck with the search. Regards, Janet. -----Original Message----- From: marg o'leary Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] John Walker m Isobel Warnock Glasgow abt 1830 Hi all, looking for some help re offspring of this couple. We know of one son William who migrated to Perth WA in 1855. He was a 16 year old who went alone. I have checked Family search but nothing pops up, nor does Ancestry give any hints. I am checking the census but again the names are very common. William was the father of a soldier who died at Fromelles in WW1. To look for matching family members we have to go back to William's parents and start from there. Grateful for any suggestions regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW [email protected] also [email protected] ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, looking for some help re offspring of this couple. We know of one son William who migrated to Perth WA in 1855. He was a 16 year old who went alone. I have checked Family search but nothing pops up, nor does Ancestry give any hints. I am checking the census but again the names are very common. William was the father of a soldier who died at Fromelles in WW1. To look for matching family members we have to go back to William's parents and start from there. Grateful for any suggestions regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW [email protected] also [email protected]

Hi Paul I can't recall the time frame of your events but official adoption started in 1930 in Scotland, before that it was an unofficial arrangement with rarely any paperwork After 1930 adoptions are closed for 100 years In theory you can't register someone elses child as your own The fact there are differing surnames suggests there was no subterfuge, they would be the children of whoever is named on the registration Are you sure you have the registrations for the right people ? Even unusual names can be found more than once in records Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/12/2013 13:43, PAUL HARDIE wrote: > Hi Irene > > Thank you very much for that information that was very kind of you. > Well I have to say you have just possible answered a major head ache > I have had trying to understand why this John Kemp had his father > down as being a John McDonald while his mother is down as Jessie > Kemp. I noticed on the information you sent me that Jessie Kemp was > down as unmarried even tho there were 3 persons down as her sons and > daughter. Notice that the daughter is down as surname Wright the son > John is down as a McDonald. Could these 2 possibly be foster or

Hi Irene Thank you very much for that information that was very kind of you. Well I have to say you have just possible answered a major head ache I have had trying to understand why this John Kemp had his father down as being a John McDonald while his mother is down as Jessie Kemp. I noticed on the information you sent me that Jessie Kemp was down as unmarried even tho there were 3 persons down as her sons and daughter. Notice that the daughter is down as surname Wright the son John is down as a McDonald. Could these 2 possibly be foster or adopted children as she seems to have given one her surname,, but why give one her surname and not all 3. It also seems that the son John has taken the name Kemp as I have his death cert and there is no father down on it only the mother. I have went down the wrong Jessie Kemp who was married to Francis Kemp but its starting to come together now since you noticed a Jessie Kemp with a John McDonald as a son,, I had been looking for a Jessie with a John as a son but as a Kemp. Have you any ideas what might have happened here? If she had had children out of wedlock why would she not give them all the name Kemp or could she have been a single female adopting children,, do you know of anywhere that would hold records of this? I have never came across anything like this from that time period. Many Thanks hanks again Paul.

Hi Francis Kemp and Jessie Duncan married in Aberdeenshire in 1843 and had Ann in 1844, Margaret in 1847 and John in 1853 ...according to the IGI. In the 1861 census there are TWO Jessie Kemps in Old Machar Aberdeen. The first is the one who has a son John born about 1855 fathered by a Mr McDonald and is probably the one whose marriage certificate you've found. The second John Kemp is the one whose father is Francis Kemp and mother is Jessie Duncan. Irene KEMP, Jessie Head Unmarried F 38 1823 Washerwoman Rayne, Aberdeenshire WRIGHT, Isabella Daughter F 14 1847 (Flax) Mill Worker Rayne, Aberdeenshire KEMP, Alexander Son M 10 1851 Scholar Rayne, Aberdeenshire MCDONALD, John Son M 6 1855 Scholar Rayne, Aberdeenshire Piece: 168 Folio: 0B Page: 73 Registration District: Old Machar Civil Parish: Municipal Borough: Address: Jacks Brae County: Aberdeenshire KEMP, Jessie Head Widow F 38 1823 Grocer Echt, Aberdeenshire KEMP, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Assistant Grocer Old Machar, Aberdeenshire KEMP, John Son M 7 1854 Scholar Old Machar, Aberdeenshire Piece: 168 Folio: 0B Page: 26 Registration District: Old Machar Civil Parish: Old Machar Municipal Borough: Address: Skene Square, Old Machar County: Aberdeenshire On 15 December 2013 06:27, PAUL HARDIE <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Folks thanks for the replies, > > Francis Kemp and Janet (Jessie) Duncan Married 1843, they had 2 children > that I know of Ann and John Ann being the older of the 2. On Ann's > marriage cert her correct mother and father are down but on Johns > marriage in 1875 the father is down as a John MacDonald who is down as > deceased. John Kemp was born in 1854 but francis Kemp did not die until > 1858. Even if his mother took up with John MacDonald but never married > would it not show her on John Kemp's marriage cert as a widow and also > if John Kemp's father was Francis Kemp why would it show John MacDonald > (who was also deceased) as the father and not Francis Kemp. > > Thanks again, > > Paul.. > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Folks thanks for the replies, Francis Kemp and Janet (Jessie) Duncan Married 1843, they had 2 children that I know of Ann and John Ann being the older of the 2. On Ann's marriage cert her correct mother and father are down but on Johns marriage in 1875 the father is down as a John MacDonald who is down as deceased. John Kemp was born in 1854 but francis Kemp did not die until 1858. Even if his mother took up with John MacDonald but never married would it not show her on John Kemp's marriage cert as a widow and also if John Kemp's father was Francis Kemp why would it show John MacDonald (who was also deceased) as the father and not Francis Kemp. Thanks again, Paul..

Hi Paul You don't say when or where which may be relevant Without seeing the registration As the marriage details are given first hand usually by the parties being married it suggests the male was (or believed he was) the illegitimate son of a Mr MACDONALD by Mrs KEMP Have you found the male getting marrieds birth registration Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/12/2013 09:36, PAUL HARDIE wrote: > Hi folks, I have came across a marriage cert which has a male down as > the father but who has a different surname to the male getting > married. The male getting married is a Kemp who's father had died > several years previously but the person down as the father on the > marriage cert is a MacDonald where as his mother is still down as a > Kemp. Also I have been unable to find any more info on the MacDonald > as he does not turn up on the next Census Can anyone tell me why this > person would be on the marriage cert as the father when he is not the > original father of the male and the mother has still retained her > married name from her dead husband which looks like she has not > married the person who is down as the father. Also the mother is not > down on the cert as a widow so this is realy confusing me.Im sorry if > this sounds confusing but its something I have never come across > before. Many thanks and a merry Xmas to all when it comes. Paul...

Hi folks, I have came across a marriage cert which has a male down as the father but who has a different surname to the male getting married. The male getting married is a Kemp who's father had died several years previously but the person down as the father on the marriage cert is a MacDonald where as his mother is still down as a Kemp. Also I have been unable to find any more info on the MacDonald as he does not turn up on the next Census Can anyone tell me why this person would be on the marriage cert as the father when he is not the original father of the male and the mother has still retained her married name from her dead husband which looks like she has not married the person who is down as the father. Also the mother is not down on the cert as a widow so this is realy confusing me.Im sorry if this sounds confusing but its something I have never come across before. Many thanks and a merry Xmas to all when it comes. Paul...

Thanks for that, Maisie! A Merry Christmas to you and yours, and A Good New Year when it comes. John and Jean in New Zealand

This has been going the rounds for a few years and for those of us from across the pond it gives us a hearty chuckle or two each time. Hope you enjoy this tongue in the cheek Christmas wishes from “oor ain folk.” Maisie Subject: Fw: THE WEE SCOTTISH CHRISTMAS FAIRY Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:16:25 -0500 The Wee Scottish Christmas Fairy I am a little wee fairy On tap o' the Christmas Tree It's no' a job I fancy Well how would you like tae be me A’ tarted up wi' tinsel It's enough to mak ye boak An’ a couple o' jaggy branches Rammed up the back o' your frock An' these wee lights a' roon me I cannae get my sleep An' there's the yearly visit Fae Santa - Big fat creep! On Christmas Day I'm stuck up here While you're a' wirin' in An' naebody says "Hey, you up there Could you go a slug o' gin? It's nae joke bein' a fairy The job's beyond belief You've got to go roon' the wean's beds An' lift their rotten teeth But o' a' the joabs a fairy gets An' I've mentioned only some The very worst is sitting up a tree Wi' pine needles up yir bum When a' the fairies meet again By the light o’ the silvery moon Ye can tell the Christmas fairies They're the wans that canna sit doon The Christmas tree's a bonny sight As the firelight softly flickers But think o' me I'm stuck up here Wi' needles in my knickers So soon as Christmas time's right by An' I stop bein' sae full o' cheer I'll get awa back tae Fairyland An' I'll see yous a' next year.

Fantastic, Don. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Muirhead Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2013 1:26 AM To: Lanark Subject: [Lanark] Oral History Since you have all been playing nice (so far today) and being it is that time of year, here is a small gift to keep you entertained over the holiday season. http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/ Don ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone remember a song called "McDougal's Wee Dug"? It was my dad's party piece but I've never heard it anywhere else. Anne Sent from my iPad > On 9 Dec 2013, at 19:45, Bravaal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Don, > Regarding your post, several months ago I downloaded Glasgow > street songs that* my* kids would sing, burned them to a disc and passed > them on to the grandchildren. When the whole family got together last week > we had a rare old time with everybody singing them. The grandkids knew them > word for word and it occurred to me that this was a bit of Oral family > history to be passed on again. > > The songs that some might also remember were; > > Sam the Skull > Have you seen a red yo-yo > Skinny Malinky Long Legs > The Jeely Piece song > You cannie shove your Granny aff a bus > > billy > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Don, Regarding your post, several months ago I downloaded Glasgow street songs that* my* kids would sing, burned them to a disc and passed them on to the grandchildren. When the whole family got together last week we had a rare old time with everybody singing them. The grandkids knew them word for word and it occurred to me that this was a bit of Oral family history to be passed on again. The songs that some might also remember were; Sam the Skull Have you seen a red yo-yo Skinny Malinky Long Legs The Jeely Piece song You cannie shove your Granny aff a bus billy

On 2013-12-09, at 9:26 AM, Don Muirhead wrote: > Since you have all been playing nice (so far today) and being it is that > time of year, here is a small gift to keep you entertained over the holiday > season. > > http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/ > > Don > Thank you so much, Don. This is wonderful! Carolyn

Thank you sir, Reminds me of songs my Grandfather George Lennox used to sing many, many years ago. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Muirhead" <[email protected]> To: "Lanark" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 6:26 AM Subject: [Lanark] Oral History > Since you have all been playing nice (so far today) and being it is that > time of year, here is a small gift to keep you entertained over the > holiday > season. > > http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/ > > Don > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Don, this site will be added to "my favorites". Best wishes, Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Muirhead Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 9:26 AM To: Lanark Subject: [Lanark] Oral History Since you have all been playing nice (so far today) and being it is that time of year, here is a small gift to keep you entertained over the holiday season. http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/ Don

Since you have all been playing nice (so far today) and being it is that time of year, here is a small gift to keep you entertained over the holiday season. http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/ Don